Enchanted Girl Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 1. You must be joking right ? Just because a guy says he wants a hot girl does not make him shallow. If a man is not attracted to the girl he's dating, then he is the definition of a moron. 2. True, but cardio just tires you. The kind of exercising you have to do to look ripped with muscles is 10x more painful and brutal. A girl can get skinny much easier than a guy can get ripped. Look at jersey shore, all those guys are ripped to the max and some of the girls are borderline toned. All the girls have is tons of makeup and fancy hair. I bet most of those guys had to do steriods to get as big as they are. The standard for looks on that show is way higher for the guys. 3. Women's standard are self inflicted in my opinion. I hate make up, fake hair, fake tans, fake breasts. Just drink water like crazy, grow your hair long, and work out. BOOM you've got at least 80% of the men in the world in your back pocket. No, my point is that you say that men have all these standards on themselves, more than women, and then say you need to do these things so you can have a hot woman. I don't get how this isn't a double standard. You feel horrible about having to be physically fit because you can't settle for anything less than someone who is really hot. If you had to do all this work to get a very unattractive girl on the other hand, that would be a different story. But you're insistent about only dating hot girls and upset about how those hot girls won't accept YOU if you're not hot enough. They're treating you like you're treating them if that's the case. Anyway, women outnumber men in the world. The average woman doesn't have an abundance of men in her back pocket ready to choose from. Unless you guys really chase after that many girls all at the same time? When I have a crush it's usually just one person at a time, sometimes two. And to get those muscles, you don't have to eat any less. You eat more really. I hate dieting. I get headaches from it and get exhausted really easily. I have no energy and I get shaky all over and cranky when my blood sugar is low. Getting in shape isn't a pleasant experience no matter who you are. =/ Don't pretend it is. Even if these beauty standards are "self-inflicted" among women by themselves, they are still standards that society holds us to that it doesn't hold men to.
Green Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 So the conclusion one can draw from this exchange: Men will think that men have it harder...while women will think women have it harder... Its already proven that men face more stress and thats why we generaly die younger and of stress/age related things. Just look in the wild, men fight for the right to mate.
Author USMCHokie Posted July 22, 2010 Author Posted July 22, 2010 And to get those muscles, you don't have to eat any less. You eat more really. I hate dieting. I get headaches from it and get exhausted really easily. I have no energy and I get shaky all over and cranky when my blood sugar is low. Getting in shape isn't a pleasant experience no matter who you are. =/ Don't pretend it is. +1. And this is true regardless of gender.
Author USMCHokie Posted July 22, 2010 Author Posted July 22, 2010 Its already proven that men face more stress and thats why we generaly die younger and of stress/age related things. Just look in the wild, men fight for the right to mate. Even if this were true, it likely would not change a woman's mind that they have it tougher...we are bias to our own experiences...
Green Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 3. Women's standard are self inflicted in my opinion. I hate make up, fake hair, fake tans, fake breasts. Just drink water like crazy, grow your hair long, and work out. BOOM you've got at least 80% of the men in the world in your back pocket. they are all self inflicted. Really funny how they like to blame the media and men when they do it to themselves.
Green Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Even if this were true, it likely would not change a woman's mind that they have it tougher...we are bias to our own experiences... Haha I'm just trying to reach the other men. I agree that women think they have it tough. Look I love being a man, there is no doubt women are the fairer sex. Beauty and attraction comes easier for them. I don't mean it as an insult. Men on the other hand have to fight for attention... fight for love. Its a never ending battle really.
Author USMCHokie Posted July 22, 2010 Author Posted July 22, 2010 Haha I'm just trying to reach the other men. I agree that women think they have it tough. Look I love being a man, there is no doubt women are the fairer sex. Beauty and attraction comes easier for them. I don't mean it as an insult. Men on the other hand have to fight for attention... fight for love. Its a never ending battle really. I absolutely agree with everything you're saying here. But I think the "difficulty" individuals experience also depends on where they fall in the social ladder...naturally attractive people will have it a lot easier...they need less effort to maintain their physical attractiveness and less effort to get attention...whereas others may need more effort and perceive a higher "difficulty" in maintaining society's standards... And you should know by now from our exchanges that I'm probably the least male-biased guy on LS...even to the point of being female-bias...it's kinda sad...
sagetalk Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 1. No, my point is that you say that men have all these standards on themselves, more than women, and then say you need to do these things so you can have a hot woman. I don't get how this isn't a double standard. You feel horrible about having to be physically fit because you can't settle for anything less than someone who is really hot. If you had to do all this work to get a very unattractive girl on the other hand, that would be a different story. But you're insistent about only dating hot girls and upset about how those hot girls won't accept YOU if you're not hot enough. They're treating you like you're treating them if that's the case. 2. Anyway, women outnumber men in the world. The average woman doesn't have an abundance of men in her back pocket ready to choose from. Unless you guys really chase after that many girls all at the same time? When I have a crush it's usually just one person at a time, sometimes two. 3. And to get those muscles, you don't have to eat any less. You eat more really. I hate dieting. I get headaches from it and get exhausted really easily. I have no energy and I get shaky all over and cranky when my blood sugar is low. Getting in shape isn't a pleasant experience no matter who you are. =/ Don't pretend it is. 4. Even if these beauty standards are "self-inflicted" among women by themselves, they are still standards that society holds us to that it doesn't hold men to. 1.The premise of dating is "girl thinks guy is hot <--> guy thinks girl is hot". Sure there are other factors, but if there is no physical connection there is usually no dating. I'd be physically fit whether women liked it or not, I like it. The standards to look good are on everyone, men do not have a free pass on this one. Women just have the added varible that behavior makes them think a guy is hot not just looks which is an entire thread unto itself. 2. Overweight women have a hard time attracting men. 30% of American females are overweight. If you're in shape you'll get any guy over them without even trying. 3. No, you have to eat so much you'll feel like throwing up. Then you eat more and more and more and more. You think that's fun? Well, it isn't, and it's expensive too. Do not go on starving diets that make you shake, that is crazy. Go to Amazon and buy some nutritional books. Cut out all types of soda, drink water and do a cardio routine. I never said it was pleasant for anyone, but it sucks way more for guys. 4. Guys have to be: rich, educated, alpha, cocky, humble, meek, arrogant, fun, inventive, confident, flirty, smooth with girls, faithful, interesting, and that's just a short list. If a girl is physically attractive she pretty much has met societies standard for her, anything else is gravy. Seems like a short list to me. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but look at the Kardashian sisters for proof of that.
sagetalk Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 even to the point of being female-bias...it's kinda sad... You, female bias, no, you're kidding . I was going to call you out, but I figured you already knew so what's the point .
Author USMCHokie Posted July 22, 2010 Author Posted July 22, 2010 You, female bias, no, you're kidding . I was going to call you out, but I figured you already knew so what's the point . Hahahah, thanks.
SteveC80 Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Women dont have to do much other then look halfway decent,there not asked to have status or money or even have a funny outgoing personality like Men A Man pretty much has to go on a job interview and prove himself and the women turns him down or gives him the job
Author USMCHokie Posted July 22, 2010 Author Posted July 22, 2010 3. No, you have to eat so much you'll feel like throwing up. Then you eat more and more and more and more. You think that's fun? Well, it isn't, and it's expensive too. Do not go on starving diets that make you shake, that is crazy. Go to Amazon and buy some nutritional books. Cut out all types of soda, drink water and do a cardio routine. I never said it was pleasant for anyone, but it sucks way more for guys. I have to agree with sage here...but I must caveat that...it is more difficult for men to maintain a level of physical fitness and appearance that is deemed attractive by most women than it is for women to maintain a level attractive to men...and by attractive, I mean above average...a level of quality that is noticable and worthy of praise...basically the "wow factor" that is rampantly commercialized by media... For the average guy, a woman doesn't need to be model thin to be deemed attractive or even jacked like a female bodybuilder. For the most part, women can maintain a healthy, attractive figure by observing basic principles of diet and nutrition with a minimal amount of exercise. The problem is that with today's fast-paced and generally sedentary lifestyles, it is sometimes difficult to eat healthily and be moderately active. But for the average woman, media has portrayed the ideal man as the Adonis...with the lean muscle, the abs, and the strong physique. And although it's easy for guys to maintain a healthy figure just like the women by eating right and doing a moderate amount of exercise, it is TOUGH to get to that level that "wow's" women... I think I'm doing alright in the physique department, and I must say, life sometimes isn't pleasant...I basically don't eat things that I used to love...and I'm training hard all the time... Bottom Line: Both men and women can look good through basic diet and exercise, but in my experience, average women hold men to a higher standard for that "wow factor" than average men do for women, so men have to work harder to reach that bar.
SteveC80 Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 I have to agree with sage here...but I must caveat that...it is more difficult for men to maintain a level of physical fitness and appearance that is deemed attractive by most women than it is for women to maintain a level attractive to men...and by attractive, I mean above average...a level of quality that is noticable and worthy of praise...basically the "wow factor" that is rampantly commercialized by media... For the average guy, a woman doesn't need to be model thin to be deemed attractive or even jacked like a female bodybuilder. For the most part, women can maintain a healthy, attractive figure by observing basic principles of diet and nutrition with a minimal amount of exercise. The problem is that with today's fast-paced and generally sedentary lifestyles, it is sometimes difficult to eat healthily and be moderately active. But for the average woman, media has portrayed the ideal man as the Adonis...with the lean muscle, the abs, and the strong physique. And although it's easy for guys to maintain a healthy figure just like the women by eating right and doing a moderate amount of exercise, it is TOUGH to get to that level that "wow's" women... I think I'm doing alright in the physique department, and I must say, life sometimes isn't pleasant...I basically don't eat things that I used to love...and I'm training hard all the time... Bottom Line: Both men and women can look good through basic diet and exercise, but in my experience, average women hold men to a higher standard for that "wow factor" than average men do for women, so men have to work harder to reach that bar. Women are much more picky in what attracts them then Men, a cute face and decent physique will get most Men going,a women needs muscles height face etc The girl next door look is popular among Men i guess the male equivalent is average joe and thats not usually a popular saying about Men for women in the dating world The only positive for the average dudes out there is womens desperation to cave in to societys demands of getting married and have kids usually outweighs there desires of unattainable great looking guys so theyll settle for u average guys out there
Stung Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Its already proven that men face more stress and thats why we generaly die younger and of stress/age related things. This has absolutely NOT been proven. You are wildly misspoken. In fact there are surveys and studies which have found that on average, modern women tend to have higher stress levels, usually as a result of trying to juggle careers along with the predominant bulk of child-rearing. Another study indicates that women are more sensitive to chronic stress than men, as well. Neither finding has been proven across the board. There are many theories that men process stress differently. A lot of health professionals also believe that a big part of the reason that men tend to die earlier is simply because men are less likely to see a doctor regularly for basic checkups and for minor complaints/before maladies get serious. It's also theorized that men would benefit from opening up and talking about their stressors more, something I definitely agree with.
Untouchable_Fire Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Bottom Line: Both men and women can look good through basic diet and exercise, but in my experience, average women hold men to a higher standard for that "wow factor" than average men do for women, so men have to work harder to reach that bar. I had 6pak abs through college... and I can tell you it makes an ENORMOUS difference with women. I would basically wake up at 4am... workout cardio for 2-3 hours... go to my classes, hit the gym to lift at 12n... then get home and study for a bit.... then go running at 9 or 10pm for 6 miles or so. I would have to constantly monitor my diet too. My abs are only visible at 6% bodyfat... which is just insane. Later I find that the vast majority of guys just use steroids to achieve this look.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 1.The premise of dating is "girl thinks guy is hot <--> guy thinks girl is hot". Sure there are other factors, but if there is no physical connection there is usually no dating. I'd be physically fit whether women liked it or not, I like it. The standards to look good are on everyone, men do not have a free pass on this one. Women just have the added varible that behavior makes them think a guy is hot not just looks which is an entire thread unto itself. 2. Overweight women have a hard time attracting men. 30% of American females are overweight. If you're in shape you'll get any guy over them without even trying. 3. No, you have to eat so much you'll feel like throwing up. Then you eat more and more and more and more. You think that's fun? Well, it isn't, and it's expensive too. Do not go on starving diets that make you shake, that is crazy. Go to Amazon and buy some nutritional books. Cut out all types of soda, drink water and do a cardio routine. I never said it was pleasant for anyone, but it sucks way more for guys. 4. Guys have to be: rich, educated, alpha, cocky, humble, meek, arrogant, fun, inventive, confident, flirty, smooth with girls, faithful, interesting, and that's just a short list. If a girl is physically attractive she pretty much has met societies standard for her, anything else is gravy. Seems like a short list to me. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but look at the Kardashian sisters for proof of that. Most men haven't been on the diets women have to go on. It feels like you are dying of starvation. What I am doing isn't really that unusual or extreme. My Mom's a diabetic and I try to follow the kind of diets she goes on with balanced meals as much as I can, but I still get shaky and can't concentrate sometimes because I'm so hungry. Dieting to lose weight is about starving yourself. You don't lose fat without it. Also, I never said what you did was fun. I said the opposite. You think being a woman is easy and fun, don't forget who has what perspective. All the pressure is on men and none on the women according to you guys. You have it all harder in every area and every way, shape or form. You make sure to tell me every time I make a post purely about women's pressures in regards to appearance how you have pressure more than us in every way. Anyway, you guys are saying things like the average girl expects a man to be really fit and have rippling muscles and be tall. That isn't true at all. If it really was then everyone on this forum would be a virgin. If this was our standard. I can list the most extreme standards men require of women as well . . . huge boobs, big lips, curvy butt, long legs, pretty face, pretty hair, clean skin, nice tan, large eyes, soft skin . . . . Oh and let me go into all the personality aspects like you guys insist on doing . . . she has to want sex all the time, be sweet and caring, but not a pushover, she has to be a challenge, but not unattainable, clean the house and take care of the kids, etc., etc. "That's the short list." A lot of the physical aspects women can only attain through surgery. Do I think this is the norm of what most men want? No, because I'm not that dumb. You guys show how clueless you are about women when you say these things though. The difference between what you guys say and what I've been saying is the pressure on women doesn't all come from just relationships. And a lot of our worth comes from whether we live up to a certain level appearance-wise. That's why there's a lot of dumb, but very pretty girls out there. The prettier you are, the more worth you have as a girl and on the flip side, the uglier you are, the more worthless you seem. We get tired of this one aspect of ourselves being focused on and blown out of proportion. And all these other things, being rich or having a good personality or blah, blah, blah doesn't even have ANYTHING to do with this thread. Nothing. Zilch. You guys had the opportunity to instead say that women are beautiful and wonderful the way they are in more natural ways, but it has turned into a competition that you insist on winning. It disturbs me. I have sympathized with you in certain areas, but you are incapable of doing the same (that your work-outs are not easy, that a lot of women shallowly require you to make money.) Maybe the reason you guys are so insecure and can't get good relationships has nothing to do with your bodies, but instead is related to your inability to sympathize with the opposite gender or even understand them at all.
Author USMCHokie Posted July 22, 2010 Author Posted July 22, 2010 My abs are only visible at 6% bodyfat... which is just insane. Later I find that the vast majority of guys just use steroids to achieve this look. I fluctuate between 5 and 7% nowadays...but you're right, it's insane to maintain it...luckily I can do it naturally thanks to giving up all that is delicious in this world and some kick ass chinaman genetics.
counterman Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 I fluctuate between 5 and 7% nowadays...but you're right, it's insane to maintain it...luckily I can do it naturally thanks to giving up all that is delicious in this world and some kick ass chinaman genetics. What's involved in your workout routine?
MrNate Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 I have to agree with sage here...but I must caveat that...it is more difficult for men to maintain a level of physical fitness and appearance that is deemed attractive by most women than it is for women to maintain a level attractive to men...and by attractive, I mean above average...a level of quality that is noticable and worthy of praise...basically the "wow factor" that is rampantly commercialized by media... For the average guy, a woman doesn't need to be model thin to be deemed attractive or even jacked like a female bodybuilder. For the most part, women can maintain a healthy, attractive figure by observing basic principles of diet and nutrition with a minimal amount of exercise. The problem is that with today's fast-paced and generally sedentary lifestyles, it is sometimes difficult to eat healthily and be moderately active. But for the average woman, media has portrayed the ideal man as the Adonis...with the lean muscle, the abs, and the strong physique. And although it's easy for guys to maintain a healthy figure just like the women by eating right and doing a moderate amount of exercise, it is TOUGH to get to that level that "wow's" women... I think I'm doing alright in the physique department, and I must say, life sometimes isn't pleasant...I basically don't eat things that I used to love...and I'm training hard all the time... Bottom Line: Both men and women can look good through basic diet and exercise, but in my experience, average women hold men to a higher standard for that "wow factor" than average men do for women, so men have to work harder to reach that bar. This is correct.
Stung Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 I have to agree with sage here...but I must caveat that...it is more difficult for men to maintain a level of physical fitness and appearance that is deemed attractive by most women than it is for women to maintain a level attractive to men...and by attractive, I mean above average...a level of quality that is noticable and worthy of praise...basically the "wow factor" that is rampantly commercialized by media... For the average guy, a woman doesn't need to be model thin to be deemed attractive or even jacked like a female bodybuilder. For the most part, women can maintain a healthy, attractive figure by observing basic principles of diet and nutrition with a minimal amount of exercise. The problem is that with today's fast-paced and generally sedentary lifestyles, it is sometimes difficult to eat healthily and be moderately active. But for the average woman, media has portrayed the ideal man as the Adonis...with the lean muscle, the abs, and the strong physique. And although it's easy for guys to maintain a healthy figure just like the women by eating right and doing a moderate amount of exercise, it is TOUGH to get to that level that "wow's" women... I think I'm doing alright in the physique department, and I must say, life sometimes isn't pleasant...I basically don't eat things that I used to love...and I'm training hard all the time... Bottom Line: Both men and women can look good through basic diet and exercise, but in my experience, average women hold men to a higher standard for that "wow factor" than average men do for women, so men have to work harder to reach that bar. We will have to agree to disagree on this one, Hokie. While I do agree that the media's 'Wow' standards for men are extremely high and frankly unfair and unacheivable for most men, I think you are fooling yourself if you believe that the 'Wow' standards for women are more easily achieved by the average woman. The vast majority of media-endorsed Wow factor women were genetically blessed, have also had plastic surgery, are on special diets, and work out multiple hours per day under the tutelage of a personal trainer...same as the men. I don't think that most people are necessarily insisting on that crazy 'Wow' factor, however, of the perfectly sculpted twenty-year-old with classically beautiful lines, in a partner. In your post, you seem to be waffling back and forth between what is considered attractive and what is considered 'wow'. In the every day world, I look around me and I see attractive-but-average women of all ages women who are hungry. They've had little more than coffee and a salad, or they're talking about taking some new three-day-purge. I see women in their thirties and forties exfoliating like mad and dying the gray out of their hair and wondering about Botox and breastlifts, because so many men their own age don't look at them the way they used to. Seriously considering injecting botulism into their faces. I see women in their twenties buying expensive illusion bras and wondering if they should buy into the hype and get implants. I see women having hot wax pored over sensitive areas of their bodies so their body hair can be ripped out at the follicle. I see new moms taking time away from their infants to half-kill themselves at the gym even though their pelvises haven't reknit yet because they think they have to lose all the baby weight in two months. I see most of those women doing this all while looking longingly at attractive, but average men. Men who have a normal work-out routine, who certainly are not on steroids, who have these women sighing over their firm jawlines, their eyes, their strong forearms, and even their cute little tummies, and ignoring the hair on their backs and hair thinning at the temples, neverminding the lines around their eyes. Just like back in high school I saw girls swooning over skinny beanpole guys with big eyes and rakish grins or crazy guitar chops, right alongside the athletes. Maybe it's largely cultural, and somewhat different in your area. I would also agree that we see different sides of this due to gender bias.
Author USMCHokie Posted July 22, 2010 Author Posted July 22, 2010 What's involved in your workout routine? I don't want to take this thread too far off topic, but I outlined one of my weekly workout routines in my "Pictures From the Douche Files" thread a couple pages deep into the Physical Fitness forum. Or just PM me if you're interested in more info.
Author USMCHokie Posted July 22, 2010 Author Posted July 22, 2010 We will have to agree to disagree on this one, Hokie. Stung, Your response just goes to show what I tried to say before, that men will think men have it harder and women will think women have it harder, simply because of the gender bias. And threads like this (which ironically I started... ) will also come down to he says she says. I will NEVER know what it's like to be a woman...I will never have the physiology of a woman...I will never fully understand what's going on the mind of a woman...I will never know what actually motivates a woman...because I will never be a woman...and I agree that this is something we just have to agree to disagree on... While I do agree that the media's 'Wow' standards for men are extremely high and frankly unfair and unacheivable for most men, I think you are fooling yourself if you believe that the 'Wow' standards for women are more easily achieved by the average woman. The vast majority of media-endorsed Wow factor women were genetically blessed, have also had plastic surgery, are on special diets, and work out multiple hours per day under the tutelage of a personal trainer...same as the men. I don't think that most people are necessarily insisting on that crazy 'Wow' factor, however, of the perfectly sculpted twenty-year-old with classically beautiful lines, in a partner. In your post, you seem to be waffling back and forth between what is considered attractive and what is considered 'wow'. After looking back, I will concede that I was not consistent in my application of the "wow factor." It might not have been the best descriptor for what I was trying to convey. I didn't mean to say that average men and women will only date those who look like celebrities with astronomical wow-factors...I think when we hear the term "wow factor," our minds automatically turn to media-endorsed celebrities...but I see plenty of wow factor in my daily life with average women that don't go to the extent that celebrities go to to maintain their physiques... So if you completely remove celebrities from the table and focus on normal, everyday people that you and I would see on a daily basis, I still believe that average men will be "wow'ed" by a lower standard than the average woman. In the every day world, I look around me and I see attractive-but-average women of all ages women who are hungry. They've had little more than coffee and a salad, or they're talking about taking some new three-day-purge. I see women in their thirties and forties exfoliating like mad and dying the gray out of their hair and wondering about Botox and breastlifts, because so many men their own age don't look at them the way they used to. Seriously considering injecting botulism into their faces. I see women in their twenties buying expensive illusion bras and wondering if they should buy into the hype and get implants. I see women having hot wax pored over sensitive areas of their bodies so their body hair can be ripped out at the follicle. I see new moms taking time away from their infants to half-kill themselves at the gym even though their pelvises haven't reknit yet because they think they have to lose all the baby weight in two months. As you pointed out, this may be where cultural or geographical differences may paint a different picture for each of us. I don't live in Los Angeles... I see most of those women doing this all while looking longingly at attractive, but average men. Men who have a normal work-out routine, who certainly are not on steroids, who have these women sighing over their firm jawlines, their eyes, their strong forearms, and even their cute little tummies, and ignoring the hair on their backs and hair thinning at the temples, neverminding the lines around their eyes. Just like back in high school I saw girls swooning over skinny beanpole guys with big eyes and rakish grins or crazy guitar chops, right alongside the athletes. But don't men make the same sorts of concessions for the women whom they date...? Hell, my ex wasn't the epitome of fitness or nutrition when I met her, but damn did I think she was beautiful...
zengirl Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) When I can get away with an inch or two of hair and be considered attractive, I’ll think it’s equal. I spend 7 hours a week on my damn hair, which basically EVERYONE is going to notice if I don’t. I don’t think the general public expects, or even wants, men to have 6 pack abs. Who sees your abs day-to-day anyway? Everybody sees my hair. About Weight: I think men vastly overestimate how easy it is for most women to get/be/stay thin. I am thin and I used to be the coveted Size 0, without much trying then or now beyond reasonable health-maintenance, but most women I know never were (as women – not as girls) and won’t ever be thin. It’s not just a matter of working for it. They can never attain it. Yes, most thin women don’t have to work that hard at being thin – that’s because we are thin. We were born this way, and we’ll always be that way. A few women are thin from sincere effort, and they get no more benefit from it than I do. I think those women work way harder than any man, and I also think it’s way more important in people’s eyes that they “stay thin” than that a man keep 6-pack abs. About Muscles: Anyway, I don’t know any girls who actively like big, muscly men. And I know many girls who don’t. (And I live in Korea right now, and this includes loads of Korean girls – who are almost all gorgeous.) Personally, I only know a few guys who spend regular hours at the gym and most of them are undateable in my book (and only 1 has a girlfriend, but even his gym routine is only like an hour a day and he looks more like a soccer player than a body builder; still, I’m counting anyone who goes to the gym/works out significantly more than me here, and my routine is about 4 times a week, which I think is healthy and something everyone should do in some form). When guys talk about “muscle” and all it entails, it always makes me think of this friend-of-a-friend I know who’s always uncomfortably hitting on me and my gals (with our other mutual male friends trying to subtly get him to leave us alone without anyone getting pissed off). He spends like 2 hours at the gym, has a PhD, and wonders why he can’t get a girlfriend, complaining it’s that he’s too short. Really, he’s just got a terrible attitude about life that turns us off. I think all women have met creepy guys like this. But for the average woman, media has portrayed the ideal man as the Adonis...with the lean muscle, the abs, and the strong physique. And although it's easy for guys to maintain a healthy figure just like the women by eating right and doing a moderate amount of exercise, it is TOUGH to get to that level that "wow's" women... Most women I know look at the face more than the body. (Then again, while men seem to care more about specific body types – very thin, but that might just be the guys I know being a pretty thin girl – so do most men I know.) Male or female, the face is something you’re either born with (or get under the knife, I guess) or aren’t. Edited July 22, 2010 by zengirl
gypsy_nicky Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Well, not exactly. Beautiful women often get treated like crap, mostly by other women, because they're threatening. Especially if they're not drooling idiots. Man this is true ime. I've seen it plenty of times in the workplace and academic setting. They're usually ostracized or a lot of gossip centers around them.
gypsy_nicky Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 But for the average woman, media has portrayed the ideal man as the Adonis...with the lean muscle, the abs, and the strong physique. And although it's easy for guys to maintain a healthy figure just like the women by eating right and doing a moderate amount of exercise, it is TOUGH to get to that level that "wow's" women... I think I'm doing alright in the physique department, and I must say, life sometimes isn't pleasant...I basically don't eat things that I used to love...and I'm training hard all the time... Bottom Line: Both men and women can look good through basic diet and exercise, but in my experience, average women hold men to a higher standard for that "wow factor" than average men do for women, so men have to work harder to reach that bar. I disagree. If you look at the most beautiful males in the entertainment/fashion industry most do not have the synthetic looking Adonis physique. Most have normal to lean physiques w/in normal bmi. They're wow factor comes from their face.
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