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I guess a person might learn to not do that. But, it also might just be a process of desensitization, where you are heartbroken so many times that you don't feel it anymore, and you can't really bond with anyone. That would be a problem if you ever met someone that you did want to get married to.

 

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This is a good point..

 

Nothing is better, in my opinion, than meeting a girl who cares about her body and whom she has sex with (not turning switches on and off), conquering her, and then keeping her.

 

I guess it also makes things more simple.. "I love you, you love me, we had sex, we are together"

 

As opposed to settling for someone because you are having sex, and do not want to lose the sex.

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Biologically men make millions of sperm a day to spread..

 

Women create 1 egg a month.

 

You do not see a difference in our biological make up?

 

So in my opinion, if a woman is reckless with that egg, she is not wired correctly upstairs, or she was a victim of abuse, neglect, etc.

 

Men are not wired to form the same bond a woman does after sex. Sorry, that's life.

 

The one time I tried FWB, I couldn't stand the sex anymore but the guy fell in love with me to the point of being ready to propose...prior to this, this guy was a total player. So he thought he could walk away with no emotional attachment but after I ended it, he felt rejected and hid his feels from me for years, until we actually bumped into eachother and talked about it. The friendship we had before we tried to be FWBs is now over. Sex changes everything.

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I am single, not married and I know about the 'benefits' and potential pitfalls of marriage. I has seen men and women wither prosper and truly suffer through them so this isn't about marriage.

 

I just feel as if I am stuck. Either I pursue a loving relationship and find myself heartbroken or I have occasional casual sex (because I don't want to be promiscous) with men I am attracted to and find myself unsatisfied. Or I settle for someone who wants to be with me who I don't love. I am in my 20s and I just can't go through emotional heartache. So perhaps option 2 is the best...?

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I am single, not married and I know about the 'benefits' and potential pitfalls of marriage. I has seen men and women wither prosper and truly suffer through them so this isn't about marriage.

 

I just feel as if I am stuck. Either I pursue a loving relationship and find myself heartbroken or I have occasional casual sex (because I don't want to be promiscous) with men I am attracted to and find myself unsatisfied. Or I settle for someone who wants to be with me who I don't love. I am in my 20s and I just can't go through emotional heartache. So perhaps option 2 is the best...?

 

Glad I am dating a foreign woman..

 

Date someone, fall in love, then have sex.. What is so complicated?

 

Why will you be automatically heart broken if you have a relationship?

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Date someone, fall in love, then have sex.. What is so complicated?

 

Quick question. What if you don't want a romantic relationship for whatever reason? Does that mean no sex? At all?

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Quick question. What if you don't want a romantic relationship for whatever reason? Does that mean no sex? At all?

 

Erica,

 

This is when it gets so confusing for everyone..

 

For myself, sex is 100 times better if I care about the woman. Is it a good idea to have lots of empty sex, risk diseases, pregnancy, etc?

 

Why would you want to settle for the lesser form of sex?

 

I have also found that casual sex leads to many people not being able to fall in love, since sex is a big part of showing and giving love.

 

Could you be honest with the guy you finally fall for, with clear mind, and proudly tell him what you did?

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I am single, not married and I know about the 'benefits' and potential pitfalls of marriage. I has seen men and women wither prosper and truly suffer through them so this isn't about marriage.

 

I just feel as if I am stuck. Either I pursue a loving relationship and find myself heartbroken or I have occasional casual sex (because I don't want to be promiscous) with men I am attracted to and find myself unsatisfied. Or I settle for someone who wants to be with me who I don't love. I am in my 20s and I just can't go through emotional heartache. So perhaps option 2 is the best...?

 

Glad I am dating a foreign woman..

 

Date someone, fall in love, then have sex.. What is so complicated?

 

Why will you be automatically heart broken if you have a relationship?

 

Calizaggy - Her relationship experience has been that when she falls in love, as you recommend, she loses the one she loves and suffers unbearable heartache. She isn't alone, it's happened to me and probably 90% of LS women - it's what prompted most to seek out this site. When you love and lose repeatedly, hope and belief in true love are lost as well. She is struggling with a solution to avoid enduring such pain, desperate to never feel so lost, so horrible again. Her pain is such that she wants to turn off her ability to feel emotion - a sad state indeed.

 

Perhaps, we should all be dating foreigners.........

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I am single, not married and I know about the 'benefits' and potential pitfalls of marriage. I has seen men and women wither prosper and truly suffer through them so this isn't about marriage.

 

I just feel as if I am stuck. Either I pursue a loving relationship and find myself heartbroken or I have occasional casual sex (because I don't want to be promiscous) with men I am attracted to and find myself unsatisfied. Or I settle for someone who wants to be with me who I don't love. I am in my 20s and I just can't go through emotional heartache. So perhaps option 2 is the best...?

 

OP:

As an older woman, I wish I had an answer. I wish it were that simple - but it isn't. Most of us, male and female, have been where you are numerous times.

 

I don't have it figured out but here are my thoughts -

 

You and I cannot give up on love. We have to be smarter when we open our heart to a man. We open our heart instinctively and naturally - we can't do this anymore. We have to be ever aware of our feelings and rein them in. That wonderful feeling that overwhelms us when we barely know a man is not love and we must control it rather than allow it to control us. We must continuously remind ourselves that we do not know a man well enough to love him until we really do know him well enough to love him. This process takes months, not weeks, and certainly not days. His actions, not words, shall be the indicator of whether he is worthy of our love. Just as your true feelings for him should take time to blossom so should his for you. He too, is susceptible to believing the butterflies mean love. He too, needs time to "fall" in love. So don't let him be fooled by the early euphoria and then convince you he loves you. Yes, I believe TIME may be our greatest friend. Until sufficient time passes, his feelings, your feelings, are suspect and should be treated with suspicion. By guarding your heart, you minimize the heartache should the relationship end. Learning to be more selective in whom you love at your young age will alleviate a lifetime of heartache and failed relationships. I believe what I've shared with you, but know it is limited by my own ability to understand. Seek out knowledge from others, Talk to women you know who are in long-term loving relationships and ask how they knew it was love. Read the posts on this site, learn from the painful experience of others, and don't make the same mistakes.

 

I know many women and men who choose celibacy as an alternative to dating. Think of it as a time-out to renew your belief in love and a time that you can truly reflect upon and learn from your past relationship mistakes. It is true - You don't have to be in a relationship to be happy and you don't have to have sex to be happy.

 

Please remember - men are not the enemy. Most want the exact same relationship that you do. Young men are trying to find their way just as you are. They will screw up. The majority will learn and grow from their mistakes.

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Erica,

 

This is when it gets so confusing for everyone..

 

For myself, sex is 100 times better if I care about the woman. Is it a good idea to have lots of empty sex, risk diseases, pregnancy, etc?

 

Why would you want to settle for the lesser form of sex?

 

I have also found that casual sex leads to many people not being able to fall in love, since sex is a big part of showing and giving love.

 

Could you be honest with the guy you finally fall for, with clear mind, and proudly tell him what you did?

 

Yes, I could. I am in love with a man right now and he knows that i've had casual sex before. He is in no position to say anything because he has also.

 

I do not believe that because someone can separate love and lust, means that they aren't capable of loving.

 

I understand what you mean when you say it's a risk to take, considering STDs and pregnancy, etc. It is very logical. But I use protection, and while that doesn't always prevent things like that from happening, it does the majority of the time. And since I don't engage in casual sex regularly, the chances of that happening are very slim.

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I am single, not married and I know about the 'benefits' and potential pitfalls of marriage. I has seen men and women wither prosper and truly suffer through them so this isn't about marriage.

 

I just feel as if I am stuck. Either I pursue a loving relationship and find myself heartbroken or I have occasional casual sex (because I don't want to be promiscous) with men I am attracted to and find myself unsatisfied. Or I settle for someone who wants to be with me who I don't love. I am in my 20s and I just can't go through emotional heartache. So perhaps option 2 is the best...?

 

I know a lot of people that have been married their whole lives happily. Out of the people I know personally, in my family and circle of friends, this is the normal situation. Divorces are not common, nor unhappy marriages. They are much more common on this board of course, because that's why people come here.

 

I do actually think it's about marriage. It sounds like your problem is that the sexual relationships you’ve had have ended badly, and you're scared that if you do it again the same thing will happen. Well, as you say, one answer is to try casual sex. I suspect that it will end badly for you also, but I guess only you can find out. What I would do in your situation is try to figure out why the relationships ended badly and fix that. Personally, I think the solution is to find a relationship with someone that doesn't end, that is marriage.

 

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As for women getting hurt, USUALLY they have no idea of how to date..

 

They might have sex immediately,so the guy sticks around.. The man NEVER said he loves her. He has never proven himself. But the female is hurt when she finds out the guy is not that interested.

 

Personally, I do not prefer dating a woman who has switches.. "I will give my body to this guy for fun, this guy for love, this guy just for an orgasm" etc. I feel this is not the ideal woman for most men, but men settle.

 

I have dated and loved girls like the above, however it was never as good as with the women who ALWAYS hold sex in high regard.

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Many of us have been married, have no desire to have children. Being interested in only casual relationships doesn't mean picking up people in the subway, nor does it mean that we cannot really like/enjoy the company of our bedmates.

 

What it does mean is that we lower the lights and turn down the sheets knowing exactly what the relationship is... and what it is not. I'm not interested in having any man park his shoes beneath my bed for the long term, I'm not interested in forever or in falling in love so to speak. I'm interested in Mr Right for now, not for Mr Right.

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I have the problem of attachment as well. I guess if you work on it, it gets better.

I think the problem comes from unrealistic expectations and being not in touch in reality. It is unrealistic expect that you meet that special man right away. If he is so special, it is logical that you should kiss many frogs before you meet him. From my dating experience on line, I would say you should date casually 50-100 guys, before you find someone somehow close to be special. It is a lot of work to do. That is why you should use multiple dating and date at least 3 guys at the same time.

If you do multiple dating, it is the best cure for attachment, because it is impossible to get fixated on several guys at the same time.

 

Also, you have negative beliefs about dating. Realistic beliefs are balanced, but not negative. So, if you prefer to be unrealistically negative, it is not helpful.

 

To prevent attachment you should have high self-esteem and confidence. The guys you are going to date casually are not special.

You should have an attitude that you do not give a f...ck for them. As for yourself, put yourself on a pedestal.

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Men are not wired to form the same bond a woman does after sex. Sorry, that's life.

 

Actually, women are so simple because they are wired to form the bond after sex.

But, men are so complex. I wonder how men are wired to form the bond with a women?

My guess would be that men are wired to form the bond after .......?

It is a shame, I have no idea.

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It's possible. It sucks, it's not fun, and it's not nice. I always thought having sex for the first time with someone I wasn't attatched too would be a GOOD thing- because I wouldn't get hurt. Well, I certainly never got hurt over the guy that's true but I got a whole other kind of hurt I wasn't expecting. Of course, in my case there were previous sexual abuse issues that hadn't been addressed or dealt with at the time - and the "sex" if you can call it that - happened X2..penetration I don't think was ever even as long as a minute and I wouldn't let him ejaculate either time. It also hurt like hell but the physical pain you get over. Knowing you did something so STUPID and IDIOTIC ..well I'm STILL not over that and come summer it will of been 2 years.

 

I wasn't ready to have sex let alone for the reasons I was having it, with someone who didn't even turn me on physically or mentally. I felt like the biggest pile of sh-it ever. At the time I thought that "afterward downer" was me being sad over an ex - now I realise that was just me being sad period because I made myself have sex I didn't want or wasn't ready too.

 

So anyhow yeah It is possible to have sex and not get attatched but you may end up getting hurt worse far more than you think and for a different reason if you don't wait to have it with someone you actually care about and is special to you and vice versa.

 

Thankyou for sharing your story. Having sex when you don't want to, for any reason including pressure from someone or peer pressure or for any reason at all makes it an ordeal. I hope that you've been able to deal with the "afterward downer" and emotions you went through afterwards.

 

Women can if the man cares more about a relationship than they do. If the man truly wants only sex a woman's ego can't take it and they feel the need to make a man fall for them. Women want to chase after what they can't have.

 

Lol! This may be true for either or both parties in some cases. :laugh:

 

Glad I am dating a foreign woman..

 

Date someone, fall in love, then have sex.. What is so complicated?

 

Why will you be automatically heart broken if you have a relationship?

 

Your use of the word 'foreign' begs the question...who says you and I live in the same country? You have assumed that I live in the country that you live in and belong to your cultural group...this may not be the case.

 

Relationships can be very complicated...that is why this is such a popular board, full of questions and examples of how complicated it can be. Obviously you are happy, that's great but plenty of people aren't. And I believe that life is full of lessons.

 

Romantic Relationships (or even trying to form one) = Heartbreak

 

Recently that heartbreak affected my studies, working life and social life - badly. Why ruin other (successfull) areas of my life trying to pursue a relationship? My answer is, I shouldn't. And no it's not because I have sex with random people I haven't known for a long time. It's just how it is, I am succesfull in others areas of, just not this one.

 

However men find me physically attractive and I want to have sex at some point (am celibate at the moment), that's why I started this thread, to get some opinions about that in particular. By sex, I mean protected sex, I make an effort to learn about sexual heath, so I am not irresponsible in that sense. Always use condoms. :D

 

OP:

 

You and I cannot give up on love.

 

Please remember - men are not the enemy. Most want the exact same relationship that you do. Young men are trying to find their way just as you are. They will screw up. The majority will learn and grow from their mistakes.

 

Once I gave up on 'loving' my ex, the pain lessened and I feel so much better. Now I can actually live my life, work, study, even start to socialise again. In the act of giving up, I got my life back. Rather than waking up crying for someone who doesn't give a damn. I felt better every day because I was giving up on us ever having a successfull relationship. So giving up on love seems like a better option for me. I think that's its great that you still have faith and you said some sensible advice, but that advice is for those who actually believe that it can happen for them. I think I've pretty much left that group/way of thinking - for myself, not for other people.

 

I agree that there are kind genuine relationship-seeking men out there, as well as young/immature but not entirely cruel young men but I don't want to associate with either group at this point.

 

I can live without love, I don't want to or have to live without good enjoyable sex - not from lots of random casual partners - but at least from someone who I know from time to time.

 

I know a lot of people that have been married their whole lives happily. Out of the people I know personally, in my family and circle of friends, this is the normal situation. Divorces are not common, nor unhappy marriages. They are much more common on this board of course, because that's why people come here.

 

I do actually think it's about marriage. It sounds like your problem is that the sexual relationships you’ve had have ended badly, and you're scared that if you do it again the same thing will happen. Well, as you say, one answer is to try casual sex. I suspect that it will end badly for you also, but I guess only you can find out. What I would do in your situation is try to figure out why the relationships ended badly and fix that. Personally, I think the solution is to find a relationship with someone that doesn't end, that is marriage.

 

Scott

 

Have you ever actually spoken openly and honestly with the people in these marriages, especially the women? Plenty of people stay married just to avoid being judged by there families and they do a great job of looking happy and content.

 

That's not to say that the people you know aren't happy, I'm just saying that its easy to assume...

 

I have seen a small amount of long-term marriages that are based on mutual love and respect. These are rare but wonderful situations where people care about and support eachother. However I have seen plenty of marriage where women are...downtrodden...that's putting it kindly - in many cases women have stayed due to social/family pressure and they (and their children if they have them) have suffered as a result. People confide in me, so I know the details of these kinds of situations.

 

Marriages can and do end, so rushing to find a husband isn't wise for anyway, especially me. I take marriage very seriously, if I can't meet someone who cares for me as a boyfriend, how exactly would I meet someone who I could share my life with? Highly unlikely. And the process of looking would case even worse heartache than I have already experienced.

 

Sounds like you believe in marriage as a solution for you, that's fine, but its not for everyone.

 

Rule 1: Don't keep doing things that make you feel bad.

 

Rule 2: Repeat Rule 1.

 

Lol. Cool. :laugh: If only life was so simple.

 

I have the problem of attachment as well. I guess if you work on it, it gets better.

I think the problem comes from unrealistic expectations and being not in touch in reality. It is unrealistic expect that you meet that special man right away. If he is so special, it is logical that you should kiss many frogs before you meet him. From my dating experience on line, I would say you should date casually 50-100 guys, before you find someone somehow close to be special. It is a lot of work to do. That is why you should use multiple dating and date at least 3 guys at the same time.

If you do multiple dating, it is the best cure for attachment, because it is impossible to get fixated on several guys at the same time.

 

To prevent attachment you should have high self-esteem and confidence. The guys you are going to date casually are not special.

You should have an attitude that you do not give a f...ck for them. As for yourself, put yourself on a pedestal.

 

I see your point. Most things in life require hardwork and that many dates takes a lot of work.

 

However, I don't want to date right now and if I was interested in dating I wouldn't want to date a man who was doing that, dating me and at least 2 other women at the same time. My ego couldn't take it. :p

 

Actually, women are so simple because they are wired to form the bond after sex.

But, men are so complex. I wonder how men are wired to form the bond with a women?

My guess would be that men are wired to form the bond after .......?

It is a shame, I have no idea.

 

Women are simple? I know women who can seperate love/sex easily. Not because they are promiscous, just because they can. I'm just wondering if/how I can be like that. There are women who want plenty of different things, as this board shows. Also plenty of men fall in love or bond after sex with a woman who then rejects them...Have had first hand experience of that...

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Women are simple? I know women who can seperate love/sex easily. Not because they are promiscous, just because they can. I'm just wondering if/how I can be like that. There are women who want plenty of different things, as this board shows. Also plenty of men fall in love or bond after sex with a woman who then rejects them...Have had first hand experience of that...

 

 

Please don't try to "be like that"..

 

I think many people CAN kill off a part of themselves and not be in touch with their true selves. Is that good?

 

I have found that the most insecure women are the most sexual. Making a guy cum seems to be a quick fix for their insecurities. of course aftewards they feel like trash, or are so cold that they lack feelings completely.

 

I have NEVER met a secure, balanced, confident woman who could just have sex, get up, leave, and feel happy never seeing the person again.

 

I feel some of the women on this board might be a bit hippocritical..They say they can separate sex and love, but then add "They rarely have casual sex", or "only did it a couple times".. If casual sex is so good and fun, and you are happy afterwards, why not bang a different guy each day or week? Why do this so sparingly if you really enjoy sex wit no strings? Men who can have sex at any time can, and often do. Think of riock stars and athletes who sleep with thousands.

 

Being a woman you also can be like a rock star or pro athlete very easily.. If you really love casual sex, then why not? Or are you just trying to "pretend you are just like men", which is not only a huge turn off for several reasons, but also shows how clueless about the difference in the genders you really are.

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Please don't try to "be like that"..

 

I think many people CAN kill off a part of themselves and not be in touch with their true selves. Is that good?

 

I have found that the most insecure women are the most sexual. Making a guy cum seems to be a quick fix for their insecurities. of course aftewards they feel like trash, or are so cold that they lack feelings completely.

 

I have NEVER met a secure, balanced, confident woman who could just have sex, get up, leave, and feel happy never seeing the person again.

 

I completely and fully disagree with this.

 

I do not need to be in a relationship. I am secure, balanced, and confident enough to know that I do not need a man in my life. I am perfectly happy being alone.

 

However, that does not stop my sexual needs from still being there. Sure, I can do it by myself... but having sex with a person of the opposite sex satisfies my sexual drive a lot more. And if i'm single... why the hell not?

 

I feel some of the women on this board might be a bit hippocritical..They say they can separate sex and love, but then add "They rarely have casual sex", or "only did it a couple times".. If casual sex is so good and fun, and you are happy afterwards, why not bang a different guy each day or week? Why do this so sparingly if you really enjoy sex wit no strings? Men who can have sex at any time can, and often do. Think of riock stars and athletes who sleep with thousands.

 

Being a woman you also can be like a rock star or pro athlete very easily.. If you really love casual sex, then why not? Or are you just trying to "pretend you are just like men", which is not only a huge turn off for several reasons, but also shows how clueless about the difference in the genders you really are.

 

:lmao: You amuse me Cali!

 

If you love eating chocolate, why not do it every day?! If you love drinking, why not to do that every day too?!

 

See where i'm going with this?

 

No one should over indulge. It's just not healthy. There are risks (as you said) to having casual sex, why push the envelope if you can be satisfied with having casual sex once a week? Or once a month? Or even once a year? We obviously don't do it for social status purposes (like some men do). We do it until we are satisfied.

 

So, in my closing arguement, i'd like to say that having casual sex once in a while satisfies me. I do not need it every day, nor want it every day.

 

:D

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I feel some of the women on this board might be a bit hippocritical..They say they can separate sex and love, but then add "They rarely have casual sex", or "only did it a couple times".. If casual sex is so good and fun, and you are happy afterwards, why not bang a different guy each day or week? Why do this so sparingly if you really enjoy sex wit no strings?

 

 

Perhaps so that they can enjoy sex and decrease the risk of pregnancy or STDs by having sex with a small amount of men... The risks of either of these occuring exist in 'commited' relationships to.

 

Some men do this too. Have casual sex occasionally rather than every day. And I am talking about men I find physically attractive...don't meet those kind of men daily or even weekly so it wouldn't be possible for me to have sex with thousands of men, because I don't find thousands or even hundreds physically attractive and therefore sexually attractive.

 

And just because you 'can' do something like casual sex, it doesn't mean that its your ideal choice, it may be occasional because its a physical release or a sexual pleasure that you only want to experience every week, month, or year or ever few years. It's for women who feel they can seperate sex and love to answer, from their own experience.

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I completely and fully disagree with this.

 

I do not need to be in a relationship. I am secure, balanced, and confident enough to know that I do not need a man in my life. I am perfectly happy being alone.

 

However, that does not stop my sexual needs from still being there. Sure, I can do it by myself... but having sex with a person of the opposite sex satisfies my sexual drive a lot more. And if i'm single... why the hell not?

 

 

 

:lmao: You amuse me Cali!

 

If you love eating chocolate, why not do it every day?! If you love drinking, why not to do that every day too?!

 

See where i'm going with this?

 

No one should over indulge. It's just not healthy. There are risks (as you said) to having casual sex, why push the envelope if you can be satisfied with having casual sex once a week? Or once a month? Or even once a year? We obviously don't do it for social status purposes (like some men do). We do it until we are satisfied.

 

So, in my closing arguement, i'd like to say that having casual sex once in a while satisfies me. I do not need it every day, nor want it every day.

 

:D

 

Once every 6 or 12 months might work for me. And I plan to enter an industry that involves travel so my choices won't be limited.

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Also I want good satisfying sex, quality not quanity. Am still not sure what to do but its interesting to read all these different views on the issue.

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I completely and fully disagree with this.

 

I do not need to be in a relationship. I am secure, balanced, and confident enough to know that I do not need a man in my life. I am perfectly happy being alone.

 

However, that does not stop my sexual needs from still being there. Sure, I can do it by myself... but having sex with a person of the opposite sex satisfies my sexual drive a lot more. And if i'm single... why the hell not?

 

 

 

:lmao: You amuse me Cali!

 

If you love eating chocolate, why not do it every day?! If you love drinking, why not to do that every day too?!

 

See where i'm going with this?

 

No one should over indulge. It's just not healthy. There are risks (as you said) to having casual sex, why push the envelope if you can be satisfied with having casual sex once a week? Or once a month? Or even once a year? We obviously don't do it for social status purposes (like some men do). We do it until we are satisfied.

 

So, in my closing arguement, i'd like to say that having casual sex once in a while satisfies me. I do not need it every day, nor want it every day.

 

:D

 

 

Ok, how many men have you had casual sex with and how often? It is ok to take risks "sometimes"..Very smart..

 

I guess I am more attracted to women who care deeply about who enters their bodies..

 

Having sex with a stranger once a year or every 6 months would be satisfying? Huh? You would not mind if he left right as the condom was hitting the floor? I doubt it.

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Once every 6 or 12 months might work for me. And I plan to enter an industry that involves travel so my choices won't be limited.

 

Be careful with having casual sex with someone you just met. They could be dangerous.

 

And it's alright if you aren't able to have casual sex. Some women can't. I wasn't able to until my sexual drive shot through the roof. But since casual sex is based on sexual needs, as opposed to emotional needs, if you want it bad enough then your emotions don't tend to get in the way.

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Of course, it's possible... if you are so inclined at whatever given moment... How silly to think otherwise!!

 

And it can be very liberating....

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Having established the possibility and propensity, how does it work practically, wrt to casual sex without emotion?

Do you have a stable of potentials?

Random encounters?

Does relationship status matter?

Only men who have no long-term potential?

I'm just curious, as I meet so few women like this and am also fascinated how a woman can so quickly decide, without knowing a man, which box he gets put into, casual sex without emotion-wise. I guess, never having seen women as a piece of ass, I just don't get it. Happy to learn :)

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