why do taken men look at porn??

[cutegirl]

And if you choose to believe that the world is flat, does that make it flat? If you choose to believe your bf cares nothing about your personality, your laugh, your kisses, and everything about you and only cares about your face and body so to him it would be worth it to throw you out to have a better face and body no matter how awful the pesonality, does that make it true?

 

Why do you insult your bf by thinking he'd dump you over looks? Would you toss him out if a hunky guy turned up even if the guy was a total jerk? OF COURSE NOT. So how rotten is it of you to think so little of your bf??? If your bf thought you were that shallow and disloyal, wouldn't you be insulted? And yet you think he's shallow and disloyal. Nice.

 

I KNOW my bf would never dump me over looks. That is not the point. The point is that it is a blow to my ego. I think his attention should be on ME and nowhere else!! ESPECIALLY since I pay all the bills I feel like I deserve more respect and consideration!

 

Most girls in porn don't look that good, actually most look below average. Especially on those big ass sites, I see the girls have stretch marks. They look sub par compared to regular actresses. To be honest I think I look better than a lot of them, but it is a fact that men like variety. Sometimes they will look even if the other woman is LESS attractive than their current girlfriend, just because they like to look at something different. It is actually insulting if ones bf looks at a less attractive female than you do.

 

Anyways, besides the glamour stuff like Vivid, which my bf doens't look at, he looks at mostly stuff like internet gonzo type stuff and he used to watch more hardcore stuff like Redlight District movies. Most of those girls in those vids are just not that hot, they are rather "average" looking people. He doesn't look at or rent vids anymore anyways, it's just internet stuff.

 

He doesn't look a lot, he clicked on 6 pics (I counted) on the tour. He didn't delete the history in Firefox because he was using my pc and he KNOWS I would have been extremely suspicious and know that he deleted it because he surfed porn so he just left it the way it was, but that was en enough to cause a huge fight in the middle of the night where I kicked him out. (We live together).

 

So anyways, it's insulting to me no matter who my bf looks at, even when they are less attractive than me, which is usually the case with these "amateurish" type porn sites. It's not about who is more "attractive", usually all guys crave is something "different" or a "different hole to stroke it to" even though that woman is even LESS attractive than their current gf.

[moredeborah]

My boyfriend looks at porn while I'm not home. I never really minded because he makes me feel very secure with my looks. But it does bother me a little when I go on the computer and see the pictures of the girls he saves and they're skinny and big boobed and cuter than me (in my opinion). But I just gotta let it go because even though he fantasizes and you know, self-gratifies himself looking at these pictures, I know that these are only fantasies. He lets me fantasize too, he lets me put up hot pictures of Tommy Lee in our bedroom. But that doesn't mean I love Tommy Lee and it doesn't mean he loves these other girls.

 

I know it is bothersome at times, but maybe you should talk to him about it. Just be honest and say that it does bother you and hopefully an open discussion will lead to some kind of solution.

[cutegirl]

And if you choose to believe that the world is flat, does that make it flat? If you choose to believe your bf cares nothing about your personality, your laugh, your kisses, and everything about you and only cares about your face and body so to him it would be worth it to throw you out to have a better face and body no matter how awful the pesonality, does that make it true?

 

Why do you insult your bf by thinking he'd dump you over looks? Would you toss him out if a hunky guy turned up even if the guy was a total jerk? OF COURSE NOT. So how rotten is it of you to think so little of your bf??? If your bf thought you were that shallow and disloyal, wouldn't you be insulted? And yet you think he's shallow and disloyal. Nice.

 

I DON'T think my bf is disloyal enough to dump me over something superficial. Where exactly did I state that??? I am just saying all his sexual attention and ogling should be directed towards ME. I am not that intimidated by those girls because I look better than most of them, only thing is I am not as curvy and don't have a big ass as most of them. I can pass for around 18 so I'm not aged or intimidated by these girls. It's just that I should be getting all the attention, not some girl on the monitor.

 

Whenever I can control my emotions I do the same thing back. I just go and look at a male porn guy like Rocco and ooh and aah in front of my bf and do it back, problem is that he thinks it's funny and doesn't get mad. He will say stuff like "I LIKE Rocco. He's my favourite performer" and crap like that. Usually I'm not calm enough to even do that. I just go crazy and start exploding and yelling and screaming and our fights just escalate and get really bad to the point where we're slamming doors and I'm sure the neighbors can hear it.

 

Also he uses porn as a weapon now during fights. During big arguments which have nothing to do with porn whatsoever he will go to porn sites in front of my face and look at them in front of me just to piss me off and make funny noises like "oooooh and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAh" to mock me because he knows it pushes my buttons! Which it does!!

[Jersey Shortie]

"I say again, "insecure" is the label that men place on behavior they find inconvenient."

 

 

I totally agree with that.

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"If men are only visually stimulated, and the stimulation they choose is of these perfect women, then it follows logically that those women are what they are attracted to. How is that crazy?"

 

It's not crazy. It's very true. The men here keep bringing up personality, how you kiss, your own little traits. But that isn't what is important to men. I don't see men making movies about women's personalities. Then men wonder why women worry about the way they look?

 

Men and women are different. Women need to feel beautiful to their man. But if their man is more worried about giving attention to a woman who could care less if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow, you take something very important away from yoru woman who just wants to be feel beautiful to you. Why is it so awful that a woman wants to feel pretty and sexy to her man? Why do men want to make evey other woman feel valued but their own? Men are just cold hearted creatures who only care about what makes their dicks hard.

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"The message is, "One woman is never enough, you as a woman are NEVER going to be enough. Just be grateful for the scraps we men are willing to throw you. Your feelings do NOT matter."

 

That is how porn makes me feel. I am the scrapes he settles for because I can't compete with the fantasy of what he really desires. I am sitting their loving him and he is sitting there wishing for some implanted girl who couldn't care two cents about him.

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"This fixation with one's appearance is way beyond healthy."

 

Men are fixated on appearance. Expect it isn't their own apperance that they have to worry about. So it's real easy for alot of men here to say certain things about beauty and women. Porn is a very easy way in making a woman feel ugly, un appreicated, unloved, and less feminine.

 

I know when my boyfriend looks at porn, I feel less liek being close to him. I feel less like pleasing him sexually, I feel less like being naked in front of him. Might as well just jerk off to the porn. No matter what I do it won't be good enough.

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"And it is SO demeaning to men to think that their affection and loyalty is based SOLELY on something as shallow as appearance!"

 

 

Porn is demeaning to women. But men don't care about that. Men don't care if it is demeaning to women and they don't care about how their SOs feel about it. So why should I care how men feel?

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"Is that all that all these women think of their worth? That nothing about them whatsoever is valuable except their appearance?"

 

No. But women have a need to feel beautiful. Everyday we have to compete with other woman. Why can't we be first place with our man? That is all we ask. First place with our man. For him to think we are the sexiest thing.

 

Lets be honest. All things being equal in personality between your girlfriend and a porn actress, men are going to pick the porn actress. You know what that says?..That men don't value their SO. So women have to settle for scrapes to get the little affection from men because unlike men, women love men for who they are. Not who they wish they could be with implants.

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"What are the chances of him ever meeting those girls posing in porn?"

 

But what if he did meet one? How would you measure up then? Who would he pick? Answer that and you have your real answer and test.

 

 

 

"I would rather have my so jerk off to porn than cheat on me just because I wasn't around to relieve his horniness."

 

I would rather men not pretend they love their woman, that they are trust worthy or that they can be loyal then the option either being they cheat or look at porn. If that is the case I should use other men, other then him emotionally.

 

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"What ever you do, don't "guilt" him, even though you may be hurt by it. Don't make him feel guilty about his sexual desire, he can't help it. Explore with him what he likes, why he likes it...all that sexual energy will be redirected at you because he won't feel he has to hide it or be ashamed."

 

And don't make women feel like crap because you aren't happy with real life woman. Don't make women feel like they can't measure up. You talk about not making him feel guilty..how about all the feelings men create in women on this subject. Are those not important? Just his feelings are important? You know what, he should be ashamed and feel bad that he is taking away something important from the woman he claims he loves.

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"Men pull up in their minds favorite porn faces, body parts, pretend orgy.....and/or .their favorite little porn mini-movies and play them out in their minds with their wives/girlfriend, imaging they are boinking the porn, not their authentic wives/girlfriends. Basically, the wife/girlfriend is the slippery wet "hole" to deposit sperm in."

 

Unfortunetly. That is the truth and the most any real woman can hope for.

 

I hope in my next life I come back as a man.

[Carbine]

To say that men look at porn because they're "visual creatures" (or something of the like) is downright stupid. Sorry but it is. Actually, it's a COMPLTE and UTTER cop-out. This whole argument about porn and looking at other women etc is currently in the process of well and truly slicing and dicing up my 14-month long relationship with my boyfriend.

 

For pete's sake. I'm a straight female. And I'm a final year marketing/advertising student, so I'm as visual a creature as any. Hell, I LIVE for my aesthetics, if truth be told. What does this mean to me? Well let me put it this way - I love sleek, dark, sporty cars so I went out and bought a gorgeous new black Sportivo start of this year (would have preferred the porsche, but I'm a full-time student for godsakes). I'm also a horsey girl, and I wanted to do some showing a few years back. I loved the chiselled features and refined beauty of the purebred Arabian, so I went out and bought a ten year old gelding for what i could afford (would have preferred the dashing, fiery young stallion I saw advertised but hell, I'm not good enough to handle something like that).

 

Anyway, getting back to the issue...so why on earth would my boyfriend chose someone who looks like ME when he continually lusts after the tall, thin, blonde models with perfect bodies like those he sees in porn and strip clubs???? When i put the argument to him this way it seemed to make a hell of a lot more sense to him. I finally got the truth out of him: he wouldn't feel comfortable coming home to one of THOSE women because he doesn't feel attractive enough to be matched up with one of them. I'm more his standard. As they say, the truth hurts...

 

Madgurlee, to cut a long story short: your fiancee probably, deep deep deep down, knows that he'd prefer someone who looked like a porn star to you. He also knows (not so deeply down) that he aint got a chance in hell of getting someone like that, so he'll go for the next best thing. Then the next best...

 

And another thing; I'm dumbfounded by the amount of people who automatically respond with something along the lines of "just because he looks at porn doesn't mean he's going to cheat on you". I mean, wtf?! Talk about cop-outs! I can't imagine many self-respecting women would seriously worry about their partners doing that sort of thing. I sure as hell don't.

 

Cheating, in that sense, is NOT an issue. Really. The issue is the erosion to a woman's self-esteem and self-image that comes from her man idealising porn stars/strippers etc, bringing them into a sexual situation (even if it is just as a visual aid) and then having sex with her and telling her that she is beautiful and that he loves her. Having to swallow this sort of bitter hypocrisy makes me want to vomit, quite frankly.

 

The issue is really no more complicated than that.

 

I mean, when it comes down to it, you can argue about beauty being in the eye of the beholder until the cows come home. But realistically, porn stars and the rest of that lot are (dare I say it) most of the time much better looking than the average girlfriend/fiance/partner. (Yes dude, I'm talking about YOUR girlfriend! Yes, YOU!). I'm probably going to cop a firestorm from the politically-correct brigade here, but please humour me for a second and ask yourself the question privately and without caring what everyone else is going to think of you. Is there a chance that *shock horror* I may just be right?!?

 

(And now that we've had our daily exercise in soul-destroying, let's sit around and bake cookies for the rest of the evening. UGH. The curse of being born female )

[Jersey Shortie]

Carbine..so well said. And that is the real truth of the matter.

 

You rock girl.

 

 

[Carbine]

^ Thanks. Well somebody had to say it, sooner or later. This post has gone on for nearly 12 pages, with people merrily beating round the bush of political correctness; women curious enough to push for the truth, but not the *real* truth, and men trying to put it in the nicest possible way to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.

 

Well, screw that, I say.

 

I mean, the truth maybe difficult enough to procure in a real-life and/or face-to-face situation, so isn't that what people generally come on to these online, relatively anonymous forums for? To give and receive fairly frank, honest opinions and advice??

 

Personally, I'd rather know the real truth, no matter how shattering it may be to my self-esteem. The sooner you know then the sooner you can get around to doing something about it.

 

That said, anyone keen to join me in a starvation diet??? *sigh* Oops, sorry, I didn't mean that! Just that the whole nature of this topic upsets the hell out of me, and the truth never really gets any easier to accept...

 

:(

[PussInHeels]

I'm married, and I look at porn when my husband is away. I'm sure he does the same when I'm away. We sometimes look together. But we find each other much more sexually stimulating than porn (sometimes it actually turns me off...I mean, some of those women need to visit a GYN once in a while...)

 

I guess that's when it becomes a problem in a relationship: when you find yourself competing with pornography for your partner's title of "Number 1 Hottest Thing in My Life." Or competing with strippers. As pragmatic as my husband is, he would never spend money to see some something he has at home. Your insecurity stems from being unsure where you rank.

 

If a guy goes to a strip club every once in a while with his buddies or watches some porn while you're not around I don't think is pathological. But if he blows you off to do these things, avoids sex with you, or hides/lies about his actions, then there is a problem. If you feel like there is something wrong, then there very well could be. Besides, if your guy knows you don't approve of porn and there isn't a problem in the relationship, then I don't see why he wouldn't respect it. I mean, porn isn't THAT amazing.

 

Finding porn on my husbands comp wouldn't really bother me personally, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with how you feel. You've got to talk with your fiance. If he looks at porn just for a little fun, he probably doesn't think he's doing anything wrong, and thus doesn't realize he is upsetting you. Besides, talking to him can relieve some insecurity.

[aeren944]

To say that men look at porn because they're "visual creatures" (or something of the like) is downright stupid. Sorry but it is. Actually, it's a COMPLTE and UTTER cop-out. This whole argument about porn and looking at other women etc is currently in the process of well and truly slicing and dicing up my 14-month long relationship with my boyfriend.

 

For pete's sake. I'm a straight female. And I'm a final year marketing/advertising student, so I'm as visual a creature as any. Hell, I LIVE for my aesthetics, if truth be told. What does this mean to me? Well let me put it this way - I love sleek, dark, sporty cars so I went out and bought a gorgeous new black Sportivo start of this year (would have preferred the porsche, but I'm a full-time student for godsakes). I'm also a horsey girl, and I wanted to do some showing a few years back. I loved the chiselled features and refined beauty of the purebred Arabian, so I went out and bought a ten year old gelding for what i could afford (would have preferred the dashing, fiery young stallion I saw advertised but hell, I'm not good enough to handle something like that).

 

Anyway, getting back to the issue...so why on earth would my boyfriend chose someone who looks like ME when he continually lusts after the tall, thin, blonde models with perfect bodies like those he sees in porn and strip clubs???? When i put the argument to him this way it seemed to make a hell of a lot more sense to him. I finally got the truth out of him: he wouldn't feel comfortable coming home to one of THOSE women because he doesn't feel attractive enough to be matched up with one of them. I'm more his standard. As they say, the truth hurts...

 

Madgurlee, to cut a long story short: your fiancee probably, deep deep deep down, knows that he'd prefer someone who looked like a porn star to you. He also knows (not so deeply down) that he aint got a chance in hell of getting someone like that, so he'll go for the next best thing. Then the next best...

 

And another thing; I'm dumbfounded by the amount of people who automatically respond with something along the lines of "just because he looks at porn doesn't mean he's going to cheat on you". I mean, wtf?! Talk about cop-outs! I can't imagine many self-respecting women would seriously worry about their partners doing that sort of thing. I sure as hell don't.

 

Cheating, in that sense, is NOT an issue. Really. The issue is the erosion to a woman's self-esteem and self-image that comes from her man idealising porn stars/strippers etc, bringing them into a sexual situation (even if it is just as a visual aid) and then having sex with her and telling her that she is beautiful and that he loves her. Having to swallow this sort of bitter hypocrisy makes me want to vomit, quite frankly.

 

The issue is really no more complicated than that.

 

I mean, when it comes down to it, you can argue about beauty being in the eye of the beholder until the cows come home. But realistically, porn stars and the rest of that lot are (dare I say it) most of the time much better looking than the average girlfriend/fiance/partner. (Yes dude, I'm talking about YOUR girlfriend! Yes, YOU!). I'm probably going to cop a firestorm from the politically-correct brigade here, but please humour me for a second and ask yourself the question privately and without caring what everyone else is going to think of you. Is there a chance that *shock horror* I may just be right?!?

 

(And now that we've had our daily exercise in soul-destroying, let's sit around and bake cookies for the rest of the evening. UGH. The curse of being born female )

 

This is a post made out of ignorance and assumption. I'm a bit preterbed that you think you know what goes on in a man's head. Men ARE visual creatures, I'm sorry to say. You can rant and rave all you want, but you have absolutely NO frame of reference with which to associate with that statement. Your definition of visual was about a sports car and a horse. I can't really see how that's visual. When I say men are visual creatures, the visual part is the action in the porn. I could watch the porn girls drive sports cars or ride horses, and that wouldn't do it for me... it's the action of the porn. I don't obsess about them, I don't love them, I don't even think about them when I'm done. In reality, it's a quick fix to my problem.

 

Honestly, you have NO idea what goes on in a man's head. You think all it takes to be a man is a dick. That's bull****. The issue goes much deeper than that. Think about it. Men have external sex organs. Organs that need to function properly in order for us to even engage in sexual activity. I'm sorry to inform you that this organ doesn't just work by itself. It's not like a flip of the coin, heads it goes up, tails it stays limp. There IS something involved in that. There's mental stimulus involved, as well as blood flow and even diet. Not only that, but since it's an external organ that women need in order to have sexual activity, the pressure is on the male to perform. If the male cannot perform, or fails to perform adequately, a good deal of guilt, anger, and depression result.

 

Since you have no idea what goes on in a man's mind, I'll continue. Because of this, sex can and sometimes does feel like work. Don't get me wrong, it's not that we don't enjoy doing it, but it can be a strain on us mentally and physically. Trust me, it's a bigger issue than most men would admit.

 

My point is that looking at porn is a way for us to satisfy that sexual need without the work. The porn just gets the juices flowing. We don't give a crap about the girl on the screen... and that's the best part. We don't have to please her. We don't have to worry if she thinks we love her enough, or if she'll get upset if we finish too quickly, or can't get it up. It's easy, and it's just a picture on a screen.

 

Thinking that your BF is choosing the random porn actress instead of you is as stupid as your BF thinking you love George Clooney (or whatever celebrity you find attractive) more than him. It's a waste of emotional energy to think about.

 

Yeah, some porn actresses are more attractive than my GF, but that's just it. They're in porn. I don't want someone like that. The porn is just what gets my need taken care of. I love my GF. I don't need the porn if she's around. She's worth the "work" of sex. She's what I need. But if she's not home, or she's mad at me, I still take care of the issue with porn.

 

Don't think you understand how guys think, because you obviously don't. I get so sick and tired of the way men are worked over when it comes to this issue. They're not helpless to it, it is a choice, but there's a reason they choose it. Women get so insecure that their men think with their dicks and not with their heads or hearts. Ladies, you should know your man better than that.

 

I hope you come back as a guy, and you meet a girlfriend just like you... then we'll see how that goes.

[aeren944]

To say that men look at porn because they're "visual creatures" (or something of the like) is downright stupid. Sorry but it is. Actually, it's a COMPLTE and UTTER cop-out. This whole argument about porn and looking at other women etc is currently in the process of well and truly slicing and dicing up my 14-month long relationship with my boyfriend.

 

For pete's sake. I'm a straight female. And I'm a final year marketing/advertising student, so I'm as visual a creature as any. Hell, I LIVE for my aesthetics, if truth be told. What does this mean to me? Well let me put it this way - I love sleek, dark, sporty cars so I went out and bought a gorgeous new black Sportivo start of this year (would have preferred the porsche, but I'm a full-time student for godsakes). I'm also a horsey girl, and I wanted to do some showing a few years back. I loved the chiselled features and refined beauty of the purebred Arabian, so I went out and bought a ten year old gelding for what i could afford (would have preferred the dashing, fiery young stallion I saw advertised but hell, I'm not good enough to handle something like that).

 

Anyway, getting back to the issue...so why on earth would my boyfriend chose someone who looks like ME when he continually lusts after the tall, thin, blonde models with perfect bodies like those he sees in porn and strip clubs???? When i put the argument to him this way it seemed to make a hell of a lot more sense to him. I finally got the truth out of him: he wouldn't feel comfortable coming home to one of THOSE women because he doesn't feel attractive enough to be matched up with one of them. I'm more his standard. As they say, the truth hurts...

 

Madgurlee, to cut a long story short: your fiancee probably, deep deep deep down, knows that he'd prefer someone who looked like a porn star to you. He also knows (not so deeply down) that he aint got a chance in hell of getting someone like that, so he'll go for the next best thing. Then the next best...

 

And another thing; I'm dumbfounded by the amount of people who automatically respond with something along the lines of "just because he looks at porn doesn't mean he's going to cheat on you". I mean, wtf?! Talk about cop-outs! I can't imagine many self-respecting women would seriously worry about their partners doing that sort of thing. I sure as hell don't.

 

Cheating, in that sense, is NOT an issue. Really. The issue is the erosion to a woman's self-esteem and self-image that comes from her man idealising porn stars/strippers etc, bringing them into a sexual situation (even if it is just as a visual aid) and then having sex with her and telling her that she is beautiful and that he loves her. Having to swallow this sort of bitter hypocrisy makes me want to vomit, quite frankly.

 

The issue is really no more complicated than that.

 

I mean, when it comes down to it, you can argue about beauty being in the eye of the beholder until the cows come home. But realistically, porn stars and the rest of that lot are (dare I say it) most of the time much better looking than the average girlfriend/fiance/partner. (Yes dude, I'm talking about YOUR girlfriend! Yes, YOU!). I'm probably going to cop a firestorm from the politically-correct brigade here, but please humour me for a second and ask yourself the question privately and without caring what everyone else is going to think of you. Is there a chance that *shock horror* I may just be right?!?

 

(And now that we've had our daily exercise in soul-destroying, let's sit around and bake cookies for the rest of the evening. UGH. The curse of being born female )

 

This is a post made out of ignorance and assumption. I'm a bit preterbed that you think you know what goes on in a man's head. Men ARE visual creatures, I'm sorry to say. You can rant and rave all you want, but you have absolutely NO frame of reference with which to associate with that statement. Your definition of visual was about a sports car and a horse. I can't really see how that's visual. When I say men are visual creatures, the visual part is the action in the porn. I could watch the porn girls drive sports cars or ride horses, and that wouldn't do it for me... it's the action of the porn. I don't obsess about them, I don't love them, I don't even think about them when I'm done. In reality, it's a quick fix to my problem.

 

Honestly, you have NO idea what goes on in a man's head. You think all it takes to be a man is a dick. That's bull****. The issue goes much deeper than that. Think about it. Men have external sex organs. Organs that need to function properly in order for us to even engage in sexual activity. I'm sorry to inform you that this organ doesn't just work by itself. It's not like a flip of the coin, heads it goes up, tails it stays limp. There IS something involved in that. There's mental stimulus involved, as well as blood flow and even diet. Not only that, but since it's an external organ that women need in order to have sexual activity, the pressure is on the male to perform. If the male cannot perform, or fails to perform adequately, a good deal of guilt, anger, and depression result.

 

Since you have no idea what goes on in a man's mind, I'll continue. Because of this, sex can and sometimes does feel like work. Don't get me wrong, it's not that we don't enjoy doing it, but it can be a strain on us mentally and physically. Trust me, it's a bigger issue than most men would admit.

 

My point is that looking at porn is a way for us to satisfy that sexual need without the work. The porn just gets the juices flowing. We don't give a crap about the girl on the screen... and that's the best part. We don't have to please her. We don't have to worry if she thinks we love her enough, or if she'll get upset if we finish too quickly, or can't get it up. It's easy, and it's just a picture on a screen.

 

Thinking that your BF is choosing the random porn actress instead of you is as stupid as your BF thinking you love George Clooney (or whatever celebrity you find attractive) more than him. It's a waste of emotional energy to think about.

 

Yeah, some porn actresses are more attractive than my GF, but that's just it. They're in porn. I don't want someone like that. The porn is just what gets my need taken care of. I love my GF. I don't need the porn if she's around. She's worth the "work" of sex. She's what I need. But if she's not home, or she's mad at me, I still take care of the issue with porn.

 

Don't think you understand how guys think, because you obviously don't. I get so sick and tired of the way men are worked over when it comes to this issue. They're not helpless to it, it is a choice, but there's a reason they choose it. Women get so insecure that their men think with their dicks and not with their heads or hearts. Ladies, you should know your man better than that.

 

I hope you come back as a guy, and you meet a girlfriend just like you... then we'll see how that goes.

[IpAncA]

Wow Aeren944 what a post! I do agree with some of what you said BUT thats not all guys. Personally I have mixed feelings about the whole porn thing and I do think that a lot of guys pay the "Were Visual" card as a way of justifying their porn interest.

 

Not to start anything here, but can you guys really not control your urges? I know guys can.

[Jersey Shortie]

My point is that looking at porn is a way for us to satisfy that sexual need without the work. The porn just gets the juices flowing. We don't give a crap about the girl on the screen... and that's the best part. We don't have to please her. We don't have to worry if she thinks we love her enough, or if she'll get upset if we finish too quickly, or can't get it up. It's easy, and it's just a picture on a screen.

 

 

If you need to have sex without thinking about another person and or worrying about their needs, then opt not to have a girlfriend and just work yourself over for the porn or pay someone to have sex with you. No need to have a girlfriend if you don't want to care about someone else. No one is forcing you to have a relationship so that you can turn around and say how much you need something that is the complete opposite of what being in a relationship means.

 

 

 

Thinking that your BF is choosing the random porn actress instead of you is as stupid as your BF thinking you love George Clooney (or whatever celebrity you find attractive) more than him. It's a waste of emotional energy to think about.

 

 

I don't know alot of women who rent a George Clooney movie and masturbate to it. I think women's attraction to George Clooney is like guys attraction to Jennifer Aniston. Different meduim then when compared to porn. Unless guys do watch a Jennifer Anistan movie and masturbate to it. WHo knows. Guys masturbate to everything else that isn't their girlfriends.

 

 

 

Yeah, some porn actresses are more attractive than my GF, but that's just it. They're in porn. I don't want someone like that. The porn is just what gets my need taken care of. I love my GF. I don't need the porn if she's around. She's worth the "work" of sex. She's what I need. But if she's not home, or she's mad at me, I still take care of the issue with porn.

 

Right. What you want is the nice girl at home and then you want the random different sluts you can get from porn. THis way you have it both ways. You have your cake and can eat it too. You can even say other women are more attractive then your gf. Do you say that to your gf face? When you see a girl in porn that is better looking then her, do you say.."Hey babe, that chick is hotter then you"? Seriously, do men not get that women need to feel beautiful and we want to be the most beautiful woman to our man? But that can never happen because men are always seeking out other better looking women just to jerk their dick off too.

 

 

Don't think you understand how guys think, because you obviously don't. I get so sick and tired of the way men are worked over when it comes to this issue. They're not helpless to it, it is a choice, but there's a reason they choose it. Women get so insecure that their men think with their dicks and not with their heads or hearts. Ladies, you should know your man better than that.

 

And don't think you understand women and what makes them hurt, what makes them fee lgood. You obviously don't I am sick and tired or the way wome nare worked over when it comes to this issue. We get the scraps you are willing to throw are way while you can jerk it off to porn too.

 

Of course women get insecure about this topic. Is it that hard for men to understand why her man looking and seeking out other women to masturbate to, women you said yourself that are more attractive then your own girlfriend, is it so hard to understand why that can make someone feel insecure and unappreciated and unloved??? Men aren't this dense are they?

 

I hope you come back as a guy, and you meet a girlfriend just like you... then we'll see how that goes.

[aeren944]

If you need to have sex without thinking about another person and or worrying about their needs, then opt not to have a girlfriend and just work yourself over for the porn or pay someone to have sex with you. No need to have a girlfriend if you don't want to care about someone else. No one is forcing you to have a relationship so that you can turn around and say how much you need something that is the complete opposite of what being in a relationship means.

 

Please don't put words in my mouth. Nowhere in my comment did I say anything about needing sex without thinking about another person or worrying about their needs. Obviously, if I thought that way, I wouldn't have a girlfriend, and I would be lying (as you must already think I am, from your tone) about my girlfriend and our relationship. In fact, nowhere in my post did I say anything about men needing porn at all. So, don't assume anything about me, or that I need any of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know alot of women who rent a George Clooney movie and masturbate to it. I think women's attraction to George Clooney is like guys attraction to Jennifer Aniston. Different meduim then when compared to porn. Unless guys do watch a Jennifer Anistan movie and masturbate to it. WHo knows. Guys masturbate to everything else that isn't their girlfriends.

 

Honestly, I'm not even going to pretend to understand what girls think about when then masturbate. I have no idea if they rent George Clooney movies and masturbate to them at all. But, you're a bit closer with your last statement. Guys masturbate... period. Some do it a lot, some hardly at all. I'm not even going to assume I know the mastubating habits of most guys... but I do know that they do it. It's going to happen. You could have sex every day for the next fifty years, and I will bet all the money in the world that he'll do it at least once in that time. If that makes guys horrible to you, then I'm guessing you're going to be a very disappointed and vengeful person...

 

 

 

 

 

Right. What you want is the nice girl at home and then you want the random different sluts you can get from porn. THis way you have it both ways. You have your cake and can eat it too. You can even say other women are more attractive then your gf. Do you say that to your gf face? When you see a girl in porn that is better looking then her, do you say.."Hey babe, that chick is hotter then you"? Seriously, do men not get that women need to feel beautiful and we want to be the most beautiful woman to our man? But that can never happen because men are always seeking out other better looking women just to jerk their dick off too.

 

Again, don't put words in my mouth, and don't act like the words you've put in my mouth tell you anything about who I am as a person. Yes, physically (which is what I took that "more attractive" to mean) some girls are more attractive than my girlfriend. My girlfriend is very attractive, and she is the one for me. You must think I'm a totally shallow and heartless person, which you're entitled to. Again, if you're looking to be a guy's #1, physically, mentally, and emotionally... then you're gonna have to work extra hard never to hurt him, always do what he wants, never rub him the wrong way, etc. The beauty of love is that we accept each other with our flaws. It sounds pretty weak to me to want so badly to be perfect all the time. Wouldn't that get old? Wouldn't you get sick of that? I don't know these porn chicks, and I really don't want to know them. They don't mean jack sh*t to me. Some may even be more physically attractive, but they're not my girlfriend. My girlfriend is the total package. She's my queen. That's it.

 

Your comment of "That can never happen because men are always seeking out other better looking women just to jerk their dick off too" is setting you up for failure anyway. Obviously, you're very sensitive to this subject, but you're setting any man up for failure with an attitude like that. How is any man going to change that? Like I said, men masturbate. They do. It's done. It's easy to pick on men because it's very easy to find out something they could masturbate to. Porn's an easy target... then, after that, men are the next easiest target. Don't think that all guys are the same, that they obsess about porn and the girls in porn, and don't give a crap about you. They're not.... and that was the point of my whole post above. Granted, maybe some men are thinking that way... but I don't know any, and chances are you wouldn't want those men as boyfriends anyway.

 

 

 

 

And don't think you understand women and what makes them hurt, what makes them fee lgood. You obviously don't I am sick and tired or the way wome nare worked over when it comes to this issue. We get the scraps you are willing to throw are way while you can jerk it off to porn too.

 

Of course women get insecure about this topic. Is it that hard for men to understand why her man looking and seeking out other women to masturbate to, women you said yourself that are more attractive then your own girlfriend, is it so hard to understand why that can make someone feel insecure and unappreciated and unloved??? Men aren't this dense are they?

 

I hope you come back as a guy, and you meet a girlfriend just like you... then we'll see how that goes.

 

I understand that women are hurt by this. I'm not minimizing the fact. But, when it turns into some equation, where women think they've figured all men out, it pisses me off. It seems to me that you should understand the issue, instead of spending your time putting words in my mouth to help your own arguement. I'm not trying to change your way of thinking... maybe I am... but you missed me whole point, in fact I think it wasn't even percieved. The point is that for most (I think) men, porn, in no way, replaces girlfriends... nor should it. I understand why girls are hurt by it, so I thought I'd provide some insight into one guy's perspective before you started blaming all men for their horrible, horrible behavior. Like I said, I'm not gonna change your mind... and truthfully, you can think of me as a pig, sexist, or whatever terrible label you wanna place on me. It doesn't really matter. I know my relationship, and I know how guys think... and most don't think the way you seem to think they do.

[Jersey Shortie]

In fact, nowhere in my post did I say anything about men needing porn at all.

 

 

If men don't need porn why do they spend more of their time defending the porn over the real woman in their life?

 

 

 

It's going to happen. You could have sex every day for the next fifty years, and I will bet all the money in the world that he'll do it at least once in that time. If that makes guys horrible to you, then I'm guessing you're going to be a very disappointed and vengeful person...

 

 

What is the point in working hard and trying to please a guy if he is still going to be thinking about other women at the end of the day then? Makes no sense to work so hard at it if all he has to to do is tug at it a few times as well.

 

 

 

Yes, physically (which is what I took that "more attractive" to mean) some girls are more attractive than my girlfriend

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I think you should tell her that. That should make her feel really good. It shows a decent lack of loyalty to your girlfriend over other women.

 

 

 

 

The beauty of love is that we accept each other with our flaws. It sounds pretty weak to me to want so badly to be perfect all the time. Wouldn't that get old?

 

If guys accept women's flaws then why do they seek out fantasy images of perfect women who they will say look better then their own girlfriends like you have doen here? Apparently it doesn't get old to men because that is what men seek out over their girlfriends.

 

 

Your comment of "That can never happen because men are always seeking out other better looking women just to jerk their dick off too" is setting you up for failure anyway. Obviously, you're very sensitive to this subject, but you're setting any man up for failure with an attitude like that

 

 

Why? Because it happens to be true? That is what men do isn't it? Men aren't ever happy with what they have. You can do a million different thigns for them and they will still masturbate to other women right? Other women that you said yourself are more attractive then your girlfriend. So maybe men don't want to admit how their actions are letting down their girlfriends everyday.

 

 

It's easy to pick on men because it's very easy to find out something they could masturbate to. Porn's an easy target... then, after that, men are the next easiest target.

 

 

Give me a break with men are the easy target crap. Men want their cake and to eat it too. You want the girlfriend and you want to jerk it off to x amount of different women in porn because men aren't happy ever EVER with what they have. That is the sad truth that men create for women. Unfortunetly women are the ones that suffer for it and men are the ones that could care less as long as they get to masturbate.

 

I repeat: Is it that hard for men to understand why her man looking and seeking out other women to masturbate to, women you said yourself that are more attractive then your own girlfriend, is it so hard to understand why that can make someone feel insecure and unappreciated and unloved??? Men aren't this dense are they?

[aeren944]

I'm sick today, so I'll be short...

 

If men don't need porn why do they spend more of their time defending the porn over the real woman in their life?

 

They don't. But, believe me, if someone was attacking my GF like this, I'd tear them apart.

 

 

What is the point in working hard and trying to please a guy if he is still going to be thinking about other women at the end of the day then? Makes no sense to work so hard at it if all he has to to do is tug at it a few times as well.

 

Again, I won't make assumptions about the masturbating habits of guys... but I never said they'd think about other women. I just said they masturbate, period.

 

 

I think you should tell her that. That should make her feel really good. It shows a decent lack of loyalty to your girlfriend over other women.

 

I have... and she didn't stop listening at the end of that statement. She let me continue and tell her the rest (the parts you left out). I've actually talked to her more about it because of this thread, but I'm sick and I wouldn't wanna bore you.

 

 

If guys accept women's flaws then why do they seek out fantasy images of perfect women who they will say look better then their own girlfriends like you have doen here? Apparently it doesn't get old to men because that is what men seek out over their girlfriends.

 

Why? See my post above. But don't confuse this with love. If your man seeks out porn over you, I'd understand being upset. Drop his azz.

 

 

Why? Because it happens to be true? That is what men do isn't it? Men aren't ever happy with what they have. You can do a million different thigns for them and they will still masturbate to other women right? Other women that you said yourself are more attractive then your girlfriend. So maybe men don't want to admit how their actions are letting down their girlfriends everyday.

 

Again, never said they do it to other women or whatever. Just keep looking for a guy who doesn't masturbate. If you find one, more power to you! Now, lets not get this confused. Any guy who chooses to look at porn over having sex with his GF has his priorities wrong. I just wanna make it clear that I'm not, in any way, defending them. But, all guys aren't that way.

 

 

Give me a break with men are the easy target crap. Men want their cake and to eat it too. You want the girlfriend and you want to jerk it off to x amount of different women in porn because men aren't happy ever EVER with what they have. That is the sad truth that men create for women. Unfortunetly women are the ones that suffer for it and men are the ones that could care less as long as they get to masturbate.

 

I repeat: Is it that hard for men to understand why her man looking and seeking out other women to masturbate to, women you said yourself that are more attractive then your own girlfriend, is it so hard to understand why that can make someone feel insecure and unappreciated and unloved??? Men aren't this dense are they?

 

Yes, men could care less and no man is ever EVER happy with what they have. <--- Sarcasm. By the way, I never understand the "have your cake and eat it to" phrase. Who the hell just wants to have their cake? Just eat the damn cake, say "Mmmmm", and go get some more cake.

[rainfall]

Thinking that your BF is choosing the random porn actress instead of you is as stupid as your BF thinking you love George Clooney (or whatever celebrity you find attractive) more than him. It's a waste of emotional energy to think about.

 

Yeah, some porn actresses are more attractive than my GF, but that's just it. They're in porn. I don't want someone like that. The porn is just what gets my need taken care of. I love my GF. I don't need the porn if she's around. She's worth the "work" of sex. She's what I need. But if she's not home, or she's mad at me, I still take care of the issue with porn.

 

Wow if my boyfriend ever told me something that mean I would honestly have no desire to have sex with him. I feel really so no point since in my head he would be thinking less of me since I am not as hot as the girl from his latest porn movie. Honestly I don't find any famous celebirty more atractive then my boyfriend. I love him and that makes him 1000 times more attractive then any other man out there in my eyes.

[aeren944]

Honestly I don't find any famous celebirty more atractive then my boyfriend. I love him and that makes him 1000 times more attractive then any other man out there in my eyes.

 

Really? Physically?

[rainfall]

Really? Physically?

 

Yep really.

[CrushedOrgans]

Yep really.

 

 

yeah, me too.

 

my mind, like, won't even let me compare.

[Jersey Shortie]

I have... and she didn't stop listening at the end of that statement. She let me continue and tell her the rest (the parts you left out). I've actually talked to her more about it because of this thread, but I'm sick and I wouldn't wanna bore you.

 

 

 

Good for her. She is okay with the fact that you like other women better then her.

 

 

 

Yes, men could care less and no man is ever EVER happy with what they have. <--- Sarcasm.

 

Say it as sacrastically as you want but men's actions prove this is true.

 

 

 

 

By the way, I never understand the "have your cake and eat it to" phrase. Who the hell just wants to have their cake? Just eat the damn cake, say "Mmmmm", and go get some more cake.

 

 

Thank you. Then you agree that men are completely selfish and only care about having everything that makes them happy with no regard to their gf or wives.

 

 

 

Wow if my boyfriend ever told me something that mean I would honestly have no desire to have sex with him. I feel really so no point since in my head he would be thinking less of me since I am not as hot as the girl from his latest porn movie. Honestly I don't find any famous celebirty more atractive then my boyfriend. I love him and that makes him 1000 times more attractive then any other man out there in my eyes.

 

 

That is exactly how I feel. I am thinking he is the best guy out there and he is thinking that the porn actress is better then what he has got. Wow. Men are bleeping fantastic.

[aeren944]

I don't have time to quote all of that, but I'll respond in order.

 

She is okay with the fact that I love her, no matter what, and she finds it funny that you think otherwise and judge her and I based on nothing. Also, she's a bit insulted at your comments, in implying that she's stupid for "putting up" with me and my views.

 

Correction on your second reply... Actions of the men you've dated prove it's true. I can't argue with that.

 

No, I don't agree that all men are completely selfish. I agree that cake is great, and cake is readily available at any grocery store. Stop judging love like it's a snack food. Emotions are deeper than that.

 

Here's the fun part. I'm not judging Rainfall's lifestyle or pretending to know her in any way. Nor am I passing judgement on Jersey. But, I'll play Devil's Advocate, and take a page from Carbine. You say that you find your man to be 1000 times more physically attractive then ALL other men. I definately find this tough to swallow. That means, according to Carbine, that if People's magazine's sexiest man alive (I have no idea who that is) and your BF were standing together, and you didn't know either of them, and they had identical personalities, that you'd choose your BF over that other man. You'd choose your BF over any other man, despite the fact that you didn't know either of them. I just don't believe that. In saying that he's physically more attractive then any other man, by 1000 times, takes out the emotional and mental attachment you have to him. I find it extremely hard to believe that you'd choose him over a celebrity, given they've got the exact same personality.

 

In all honesty, I hate being lied to. I hate being patronized. I would be offended if my GF thought she could fool me by saying that she'd take me over Justin Timberlake (or some other random celebrity). That's an insult to my intelligence and it's like saying that my love is gullible, not critical. When it all came down to it, and Justin and I have the same personality, same traits, same everything... she better choose him or else there's something wrong with the world.

 

That's what I was saying with the beauty in the flaws. I know that I were standing next to Mr. Timberlake, she'd choose me because of my personality, my flaws, my eccentricities... because she loves me for me. The same goes with her. If she were standing next to Jessica Alba, I'd take my GF immediately. Jessica Alba wouldn't even have a snowball's chance in Hell. She may be a celebrity, filled with airbrushed beauty, but my GF is the real deal... my other half and the person I want, and need.

 

But, hey, if you can honestly know that you'd pick your BF in that situation over Clooney or whoever, then you are a very, very, very lucky woman... until that all goes out the window when he looks at porn, or pisses you off in some way. Then, I guess he's not the hottest man alive anymore... from what I can tell by your replies.

[Jersey Shortie]

She is okay with the fact that I love her, no matter what....

 

 

Except when you pop in a porno

 

 

 

No, I don't agree that all men are completely selfish. I agree that cake is great, and cake is readily available at any grocery store. Stop judging love like it's a snack food. Emotions are deeper than that.

 

I wasn't comparing love to cake. But since you take such issue with the statement lets change it. Men want it both ways. They want the loving girlfriend they can come home to and will give them their emotional needs while they live out what they *really* wished they had in air-brushed images of women who are far more beautiful then their own girlfriends. In which case, your man will tell you how much more attractive he finds said airbrushed women over you. But hey, you are the one that is there, so you get to have the scraps he is willing to dish out.

 

 

 

In all honesty, I hate being lied to. I hate being patronized. I would be offended if my GF thought she could fool me by saying that she'd take me over Justin Timberlake (or some other random celebrity).

 

That's the difference between you and me. I don't think celebrities are any better then the real people in your life. In fact, I don't even know why celebrities have the status they do have. They don't contribuate anything real useful.

 

 

 

 

 

But, hey, if you can honestly know that you'd pick your BF in that situation over Clooney or whoever, then you are a very, very, very lucky woman

 

 

Well see that is the thing. I don't find myself attracted to a man just because the way he looks. I do not and never have found Brad Pitt attractive. Some women think he is the best looking guy around. Men are more easily swayed by visual beauty. Men are the ones that are so much more "visual". Then you guys turn around and wonder why women feel inseucre when you make it a point to tell us there are much more hotter women around then us. None the less, when you still seek out these women in videos or whatever.

 

How can you not understand the kind of message that sends?

[rainfall]

She is okay with the fact that I love her, no matter what, and she finds it funny that you think otherwise and judge her and I based on nothing. Also, she's a bit insulted at your comments, in implying that she's stupid for "putting up" with me and my views.

 

In all honesty, I hate being lied to. I hate being patronized. I would be offended if my GF thought she could fool me by saying that she'd take me over Justin Timberlake (or some other random celebrity). That's an insult to my intelligence and it's like saying that my love is gullible, not critical. When it all came down to it, and Justin and I have the same personality, same traits, same everything... she better choose him or else there's something wrong with the world.

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I personally never called your gf stupid. I am kinda shocked that she is ok with being a second or third or even 900 pick of who you really want. Kinda like a consilation prize I guess. I know if I was ever told by my bf he would rather be with anyone esle I would pack my crap and leave, but hey thats just me.

 

In all honesty, I would be offended if my boyfriend thought I would choose a celebirty over him. Looks are only that important to men I guess.

[aeren944]

Except when you pop in a porno

 

Okay, I see the problem here. Obviously, men & women view this differently, which is the biggest part of the problem. I'm probably going to draw heat from the fires of females all over, but here goes... (*winces*)... Men & Women view sex differently. Like I said, so many posts ago, men have external sex organs, and women have internal sex organs. I'm going to venture to say that this affects the way men & women regard sex. With women, sex is tied with love, devotion, and commitment... it's very internal, with very strong feelings attached. (Not trying to draw anymore heat here, just comparing it to most women, not all.) With men, it's still tied with love and affection, but not so much commitment... more external. (Again, most men... not all.) Like I said, there's still a great deal of mental ability involved, and I'm not saying that men do NOT associate love with sex... but not as much as women, it seems. It seems to me to be how they deal with being a man or a woman. I definately can see why it affects women so much more than men. With men, sex is more external, and seperated from our insides... with women, it's the opposite. Women can't have sex without it being internal, really.

 

Now, I'm not making excuses for men, and I'm not saying anything bad about either versions. I just think I have a bit more of a clearer picture now. It's obvious that women take a lot more out of sex, mentally (or emotionally), than men. However, that doesn't mean that women should expect a man to think like a women. Like I said, it's different parts of different people. I guess the best way I can think to describe it is for a man to say, "To a woman, sex is about self-gratification," and for a woman to say, "To a man, porn is about love." Both statements are untrue, but both statements have arguements to back them up. Since women associate sex with love, saying that women only care about self-gratification with sex wouldn't make sense. The same is true on the other end. Since men associate porn with self-gratification, saying that men love the porno doesn't make sense.

 

Dear god, I probably don't make any sense... I'm just trying to illustrate how I see it. Y'all are probably gonna come after me with your claws beared.

 

I wasn't comparing love to cake. But since you take such issue with the statement lets change it. Men want it both ways. They want the loving girlfriend they can come home to and will give them their emotional needs while they live out what they *really* wished they had in air-brushed images of women who are far more beautiful then their own girlfriends. In which case, your man will tell you how much more attractive he finds said airbrushed women over you. But hey, you are the one that is there, so you get to have the scraps he is willing to dish out.

 

I don't know how else to describe it. I don't love the porno, I don't love the actresses... I don't even watch porno when my girlfriend's here or when she doesn't want me to. I don't want it OVER her at all... ever... never... ever.... ever..... ever....... ever.... never ever ever ever ever never ever!!!!!!!!!!

 

That's the difference between you and me. I don't think celebrities are any better then the real people in your life. In fact, I don't even know why celebrities have the status they do have. They don't contribuate anything real useful.

 

Yes, and we can't debate anymore about that. That is a big difference between the two of us. We just view that in a different way, which is totally fine.

 

Well see that is the thing. I don't find myself attracted to a man just because the way he looks. I do not and never have found Brad Pitt attractive. Some women think he is the best looking guy around. Men are more easily swayed by visual beauty. Men are the ones that are so much more "visual". Then you guys turn around and wonder why women feel inseucre when you make it a point to tell us there are much more hotter women around then us. None the less, when you still seek out these women in videos or whatever.

 

I guess that's true. Men are more visual than women. I just illustrated that and I didn't even mean to. As a man, I would expect my GF to choose Justin Timberlake over me... due to the visual aspect, but ONLY if we had the same personalities, traits, and quirks. Since we don't, I think she'd pick me.

 

How can you not understand the kind of message that sends?

 

Jersey, I understand the message that sends. I understand that, but it seems to come down to the difference between men & women... the thing that makes us men & women, other than the sex organs. I do my best to show (not just tell) my GF that I love her, and she does the same for me. That's all we can hope to do. In the end, we're still men and women... and we've still gotta realize that we've gotta deal with how the opposite sex percieves things.

[Jersey Shortie]

I definately can see why it affects women so much more than men. With men, sex is more external, and seperated from our insides... with women, it's the opposite.

 

 

So if you understand this like you claim, why do you and guys like you still want to look at porn AND have a girlfriend at teh same time. If you understand that it runs deeper for women? Why do you want to make her feel replacable because you can't be happy with what you have?

 

 

 

However, that doesn't mean that women should expect a man to think like a women.

 

Then why do men expect women to think like them? You say women shouldn't expect men to think like them but you obviously expect women to think like men so they "accept" the fact that their boyfriend can't commit to them and needs porn and thinks other women are better then her.

 

 

 

I don't love the porno, I don't love the actresses... I don't even watch porno when my girlfriend's here or when she doesn't want me to. I don't want it OVER her at all... ever... never... ever.... ever..... ever....... ever.... never ever ever ever ever never ever!!!!!!!!!!

 

men say that but then they don't want to give it up either and they wil lgo to the ends of the earth defending the porn over defending and sticking up for their SOs. It is very telling of where men's pirorities lay. And it is obivously not with their SOs. Unfortunetly, this is what women must settle for if they want any kind of relatoinship with a man. And women want relationships with men but apparently men don't. They just want porn and a convient willing women at home to get off with.

 

 

 

Yes, and we can't debate anymore about that. That is a big difference between the two of us. We just view that in a different way, which is totally fine.

 

I find it very sad for your girlfriend that you find celebrities and porn stars to be a higher level then herself. But again, I guess that shows me where men's pirorities lay.

 

 

I guess that's true. Men are more visual than women.

 

 

And women are more verbal creatures then men. And more emotional. Does that mean women should be going out to have more verbally gratifying and emotional affairs with other men whenever they have the urge or their SO isn't around?

 

 

Jersey, I understand the message that sends. I understand that, but it seems to come down to the difference between men & women... the thing that makes us men & women, other than the sex organs. I do my best to show (not just tell) my GF that I love her, and she does the same for me. That's all we can hope to do. In the end, we're still men and women... and we've still gotta realize that we've gotta deal with how the opposite sex percieves things.

 

 

True. And how do men deal with it. They *say* they understand but they still want other women and seek them out on a fundemental level. So I guess men *understand* but don't really give a rats ass in the end how it makes women feel.