Snakechammah Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 This thread reminds me of the whole saga of Samantha Brick. Samantha Brick on the downsides to looking pretty: 'Why women hate me for being beautiful' | Daily Mail Online ...and the backlash. Apparently, there are many Samantha Bricks in this world. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
CrystalCastles Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 This thread reminds me of the whole saga of Samantha Brick. Samantha Brick on the downsides to looking pretty: 'Why women hate me for being beautiful' | Daily Mail Online ...and the backlash. Apparently, there are many Samantha Bricks in this world. I remember this. I find the women who generally believe that they are oh so gorgeous really are not. Their supposed "beauty" exists inside their heads, and that's about it. Like this Samantha Brick. She doesn't look even remotely attractive. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
guest569 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Its true but I would not "ugly it up" as lollipop suggested, I am who i am, I dont wear makeup or dress provocatively and even if i did, it's not my problem, its the problem of those immature and superficial perverts and bullies. I've had all sorts of things implied, anorexia is one, downplaying my hard work and achievements because of my appearance etc. as though its a free ride, cause of my age, gender. Edited July 4, 2015 by smiley1 Link to post Share on other sites
Daisy-oliviaWentcher Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I just don't understand. As someone said earlier a lot more doors are opened for you. If you're beautiful you shouldn't complain. I am pretty but I wouldn't say beautiful. I have trouble getting men at times. If I was beautiful I would be able to have more success. Why on earth complain about something would kill to have? why complain about something that you've been clearly been blessed with? Ridiculous if you ask me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
frogs88 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Can't really empathize - sorry. Maybe it's a woman's thing although I'm pretty sure at least the harassment one (arguably the most serious problem) pretty much applies to all women. As average I may be I'd rather ****ing not slide a few notches down the scale. Up the scale? Why not? Link to post Share on other sites
Leigh 87 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) I remember this. I find the women who generally believe that they are oh so gorgeous really are not. Their supposed "beauty" exists inside their heads, and that's about it. Like this Samantha Brick. She doesn't look even remotely attractive. Ummmm. I simply lamented that a sexy body type makes people act filthy and inppropriate. I NEVER said I was " beautiful " I do not face the issues that " beautiful " women do.. But I am still attractive and face SOME of the downfalls that more beautiful women face. Katzee and myself never said we were beautiful and having to deal with the perils that the upper echelon deal with despite NOT being one of those girls.... Samantha Brick is delusional.... I am definately spot on in my own self assessment.. Edited July 4, 2015 by Leigh 87 Link to post Share on other sites
loveweary11 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I will concede that these 2 exes from my first hand account were probably two of the hottest girls on the planet. Like guys crashing their cars into a tree driving by type. Hotter than any celebrity, hotter thn just about every pornstar. I am drawn to beauty. A weakness, I suppose. But maybe these were outliers. Their looks, however, did cause these problems, as other women in their workplaces did not suffer the same abuse. Link to post Share on other sites
katiegrl Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) I will concede that these 2 exes from my first hand account were probably two of the hottest girls on the planet. Like guys crashing their cars into a tree driving by type. Hotter than any celebrity, hotter thn just about every pornstar. I am drawn to beauty. A weakness, I suppose. But maybe these were outliers. Their looks, however, did cause these problems, as other women in their workplaces did not suffer the same abuse. I have NO doubt that these were (are) HOT.....I also have no doubt they were harassed at their workplace .... while their less attractive counter-parts were not. And yeah that sucks. However, I think the point people are trying to make is that there "may" have been other factors (besides being hot) that caused these problems. You don't know how your hot ex's behaved in the workplace, you don't know how they interacted with the other women there...or other people in general. Were you there? Perhaps they *subconsciously* carried themselves with an air of superiority, perhaps they came across as standoffish or "full of themselves" (I have been accused of the same things even though for me it was just shyness). *Those* things combined with their hotness would definitely cause other women to bully them....as some women are quite capable of being extremely caddy and backstabbing at times. As has been mentioned, most people are completely unaware of their own demeanor and how they come across to others....so just sain, it's possible. Others have also mentioned knowing **extremely** beautiful women (drop dead gorgeous women who stop traffic) who are warm, friendly, open, and engaging with others...and they DO NOTget bullied. Why do you think that is? As far as sexual harassment, some men in the workplace (and out) are just misogynists, chauvinists or idiots who believe anyone in a skirt who is halfway decent looking belongs in the the kitchen...and unless your hot ex's have discussed with the other women there how they are also treated...they (your hot ex's) are just assuming they are the only targets due to their hotness...although I do concede this is a big problem for pretty women specifically.... Edited July 4, 2015 by katiegrl 1 Link to post Share on other sites
introverted1 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 This thread reminds me of the whole saga of Samantha Brick. Samantha Brick on the downsides to looking pretty: 'Why women hate me for being beautiful' | Daily Mail Online ...and the backlash. Apparently, there are many Samantha Bricks in this world. I think women can present themselves as though they are beautifu without actually being so. Culturally, we have a definition of what beauty, or at least what sexualized beauty, looks like: certain hair styles, clothing, and make-up choices can come together to create an illusion but, more important, they come together to identify a woman who is concerned about her appearance and with attracting others. Like this Samantha Brick. She doesn't look even remotely attractive. Agreed. See above. She is well-groomed. That's about it, imo. I will concede that these 2 exes from my first hand account were probably two of the hottest girls on the planet. Like guys crashing their cars into a tree driving by type. Hotter than any celebrity, hotter thn just about every pornstar. I am trying to imagine this. I've lived a lot of places, including NYC, and I've never seen anyone I would describe this way. Sure, I've seen pretty girls (and guys) and even people I would classify as beautiful. But never anyone so drop-dead gorgeous that I thought of them in the terms used above. I've seen movies stars out and about and been underwhelmed as a rule. Is it possible that some people value beauty much more than others and, as a result, see it more readily? Link to post Share on other sites
elaine567 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I think women can present themselves as though they are beautifu without actually being so. Culturally, we have a definition of what beauty, or at least what sexualized beauty, looks like: certain hair styles, clothing, and make-up choices can come together to create an illusion but, more important, they come together to identify a woman who is concerned about her appearance and with attracting others. Yes that is a very good point, the "illusion of beauty", is very prevalent and so many are taken in by it. I've lived a lot of places, including NYC, and I've never seen anyone I would describe this way. Sure, I've seen pretty girls (and guys) and even people I would classify as beautiful. But never anyone so drop-dead gorgeous that I thought of them in the terms used above. I've seen movies stars out and about and been underwhelmed as a rule. There are only a handful of women I would say IRL, I have seen that were truly beautiful or head turners. Very many supposedly beautiful women adhere to the "illusion of beauty" as you describe above, but I suppose I am "on to them" and that spoils the effect somewhat for me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
katiegrl Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) I think women can present themselves as though they are beautifu without actually being so. Culturally, we have a definition of what beauty, or at least what sexualized beauty, looks like: certain hair styles, clothing, and make-up choices can come together to create an illusion but, more important, they come together to identify a woman who is concerned about her appearance and with attracting others. Agreed. See above. She is well-groomed. That's about it, imo. ****I am trying to imagine this. I've lived a lot of places, including NYC, and I've never seen anyone I would describe this way. Sure, I've seen pretty girls (and guys) and even people I would classify as beautiful. But never anyone so drop-dead gorgeous that I thought of them in the terms used above. I've seen movies stars out and about and been underwhelmed as a rule. **= Is it possible that some people value beauty much more than others and, as a result, see it more readily? LOL.....yeah, l am trying to imagine guys finding a woman so hot, they crash their cars into other cars -- sounds like a scene from a Will Farrell or National Lampoon movie. :) I also know women (attractive AND unattractive)....who relish coming home to their boyfriends accusinng guys of hitting on them when the guy so much as say hi to her on the street, or a male colleague at work asks her to lunch..... so the boyfriend knows what a *great catch* she is....or to bring out his jealousy, competitive and/or protective spirit. Women exaggerating things that happen to them is very much par for the course for some women... Edited July 4, 2015 by katiegrl Link to post Share on other sites
jen1447 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 There are a number of things that make this discussion problematic. Beauty is subjective for one thing, both in terms of tastes in aesthetics and also what comprises beauty, such as looks, demeanor, etc. So the fact that it's diff for diff ppl makes it hard to draw conclusions bc there's no standard. Also social norms vary from place to place, population density and urban vs. rural sensibilities may dictate behaviors, personal experiences affect sensitivity and reactions, etc. That all makes it difficult to say there's any consistent, objective stigma or treatment associated with being 'beautiful.' Absent all those qualifications, about all you can do is draw anecdotal conclusions from anecdotal evidence. That means yeah, Hopeful30 and KatZee have had difficulties, and I think we have to respect their assertion that their attractiveness plays a role, whereas others who may be equally attractive have no such issues. Both things aren't mutually exclusive. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmyy18 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Too many guys comming after you. Link to post Share on other sites
WomenWubber Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Too many guys comming after you. Lol read this in a weird way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
katiegrl Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Too many guys comming after you. Yeah, it's a real problem for us pretty girls! Lol :bunny: Link to post Share on other sites
loveweary11 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 [quote=introverted1;6414189 I am trying to imagine this. I've lived a lot of places, including NYC, and I've never seen anyone I would describe this way. Sure, I've seen pretty girls (and guys) and even people I would classify as beautiful. But never anyone so drop-dead gorgeous that I thought of them in the terms used above. I've seen movies stars out and about and been underwhelmed as a rule. Is it possible that some people value beauty much more than others and, as a result, see it more readily? If only the forum allowed pictures.... I could just show you. I have a weird thing where I started going after hotter and hotter girls as I got my image tuned up. I just couldn't stop. It was like an addiction. An addiction to climbing mount Everest. I cannot even describe the level of all over perfection (fitting my taste for short girls). Every little nuance... no flaws, physically. At this level, I'm sure it's personal too. Somewhat subjective. Link to post Share on other sites
BluEyeL Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Yeah I wouldn't complain about being beautiful and how people react to it, the same way I'd choose to ignore any other judgements people make about me. I've come to adhere to the quote that says what other people think about me is none of my business . People will judge you for being pretty, ugly, skinny, fat, smart , not so smart, too nice, too successful ...-and the list goes on. You can't afford to care. All you can do is not allow anyone to treat you bad, not take crap laying down and live your life happily. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Rejected Rosebud Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I think everybody has their problems and if your worst one is how extraordinarily beautiful you are then I think you're a lucky person!! I'm surprised of all the people on here saying the most beautiful women get sexually harassed the most I don't believe that's true. I know a girl who had to leave her work and ended up in a big law suit because of the extreme harassment she was getting there and she is NOT super gorgeous. She does happen to have giant boobs thought but this might have happened to her even if she was normal in that department. We are judged by the way we look alot and if we're bad or average or gorgeous looking all of those can be a bummer sometimes. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Shepp Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Yes, it can be annoying to assume you got where you are solely because of looks, when in fact you put an effort into it. But, really, is that what people SAY to you, or what you ASSUME they think? From what I can read, you're basing this on one comment, one of your mates made, once. I can't imagine people just dismiss your achievements as being due to your looks, either directly to your face, or thinking it behind your back. You'd be surprised. I think this is one of those things where people assume because its a positive thing (in a slightly backhanded compliment kind of way) they can say it. Maybe In a lighthearted way but I still think people would be surprised. "Its easier for you.." How does being good looking get you a job as a firefighter..are they that keen on calendar sales? Being good at football is irrelevant, you can't possibly become captain of the football because you look good, so why imply that's what he meant. Oh, you had girls approach you, but you chose the best looking girl you have ever known, and won her. Oh boo hoo, cry me a ***king river... I agree. That's exactly what he meant but I agree. I don't need you to cry me a river, I don't need or want anyones sympathy. I have a great life. Because I've made it so. Because I've worked for what I've got. I just get sick of the: you don't understand, or if I only had ticker hair/a stronger jaw life would be perfect, life would be easy, that you hear banded about. No it wouldn't. You still have to work just as hard for what you want. Its an excuse. Its simply a way to blame an external factor you have no control over. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Beauty is an advantage, just as any talent or strength is an advantage in life. It may be a double edged sword at times, but it is still an advantage, and is especially so for those wise enough to avoid the pitfalls. Women do not need to be beautiful to be harassed. That's equal opportunity. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
fireflywy Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Being attractive sucks. I'll give you all an example. I went out walking earlier this evening and walked past the movie theater where there was a massive group of women waiting to see the new Magic Mike sequel. I had 15 follow me for three blocks. It was a headache. Ugh. I don't even want to talk about how much Scarlett Johanson and Kate Beckinsale hate eahother fighting over me or about Jessica Biels kidnap attempt..... Link to post Share on other sites
fireflywy Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 One other thing lol I heard a very wealthy man once say in an interview. "Does mone buy happiness? Well, let me just say this, I've been rich, and I've been poor, and I'll tell you right now, rich is better." I'm sure the same goes with being a stunner. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
yxalitis Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 One other thing lol I heard a very wealthy man once say in an interview. "Does mone buy happiness? Well, let me just say this, I've been rich, and I've been poor, and I'll tell you right now, rich is better." I'm sure the same goes with being a stunner. Than" man" was Sophie Tucker. Billy Connelly in and ad for a financial institution ripped it more recently: "I've been poor, and I've been rich...rich wins" Link to post Share on other sites
fireflywy Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Um. Okay. Must have been a rich "man" who I saw quoting her. Edited July 6, 2015 by fireflywy Link to post Share on other sites
Auspecial Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I think its unfair that in society we always focus on the benefits of beauty and the negatives of being below average looking. I have some friends, both male and female, who hate being as good looking as they are and I wanted to bring that forth here (no immature comments please, if u dont like this thread, move on.) Downsides: Everyone always stares at you and you cant have a normal anything without many eyes on you (imagine? I would f*ckn hate that) People assume you are high maintenance or look down on others because youre better looking than them People assume you are out of their "league" wtf is a league? Romantically people are intimidated or too nervous to apprpach you. People think you have life easy because youre beautiful People dont take you seriously because (as above) they think beauty = solution to everything You become a trophy or are sought after to be a trophy Those who DO approach you notice nothing but your looks or are too too focused on them to discover who you really are People treat you differently for whatever reason Life can feel superficial because your looks are the first and last thing people notice about yoU People are always surprised if youre single, as if youre not allowed because you can have anyone you want Can I like this post 100 times? I am not "all that." However I have dealt with odd and misplaced judgements many times. Link to post Share on other sites
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