Don't Blame Fat People

[sweetjasmine]

The other problem with going to the movies on a date with an obese person is that it might be expensive if you have to buy two seats for them, and then OMG when they hit the concession stand....you better have your AMEX ready.

 

Biggest eater I've ever met is underweight, skinny as a rail. Naturally high metabolism. Eats fast food almost every day, and lots of it, because even though it's clogging his arteries, it's not making him gain any weight.

 

There's a very good reason for that, the obese don't want to get mistaken for the cattle.

 

Thing is, those people you disrespect can lose the weight, but you'll always be a jerk.

[desertmoon]

Cool new avatar, EG. Is that Hunter Thompson? I'm sorry you have to pay through the nose for produce. I'm fortunate enough to have a weed..I mean vegetable garden, an apple tree that gives four different kinds of apples, a pear tree that gives two different kinds of pears, a plum tree, and a raspberry/blackberry patch. They're hard to keep up (except for the berries and plums) but the food is fantastic. Nothing like a tomato you grew yourself. It's more than I can use. I have to give it away or the birds and rabbits get it.

 

You are funny, Shakz!

[vestigalvirgin]

Biggest eater I've ever met is underweight, skinny as a rail. Naturally high metabolism. Eats fast food almost every day, and lots of it, because even though it's clogging his arteries, it's not making him gain any weight.

 

 

There was a pretty famous guy back in the 70's I think, named Jim Fixx who wrote a popular book called the "Complete Book of Running." He ended up dropping dead of clogged arteries while jogging, even though he was seemingly in "great shape."

 

 

 

Thing is, those people you disrespect can lose the weight, but you'll always be a jerk.

 

First of all, I was j/k around. Sorry if that offended you or anyone. If you want to poke fun at the skinnies I'm down with that too. I don't disrespect anyone because of their physical attributes. This entire thread was kind of silly and I was just playing along.

 

On a serious note, I bolded something that you posted. If what you say is really the case, then there's no issue. Is there?

[harmfulsweetz]

Because I think FAT people are undateable.

 

And a lot of the dating advice I hear people give is "get in shape"

 

My thread is about "Don't Blame Fat People"

 

Since when did you become the thread police?

 

 

That's your opinion. Stick it in the rants section, because that's what this is. A rant. Nothing particular about dating at all.

[Green]

That's your opinion. Stick it in the rants section, because that's what this is. A rant. Nothing particular about dating at all.

 

Yes and your response is a rant.

 

If you don't understand the connection between being fat and dating go rant about it yourself. I see the connection

[GorillaTheater]

You're obviously an anti-fattite.

 

I for one have had just about enough of the anti-lardass bigotry around here.

[harmfulsweetz]

Yes and your response is a rant.

 

If you don't understand the connection between being fat and dating go rant about it yourself. I see the connection

 

 

Surely, there is enough threads about fat people relating to dating though? I don't actually see an awful lot in this thread which directly pertains to dating per se. I see the link, tenuous it may be, it does belong in the rants section. Sorry.

 

I mean, we certainly have enough threads (many started by you, if I recall?) about this specific issue, how much can we really bang it around? Talk about beating a dead horse. Apologies again.

 

It's fairly obvious that if you are overweight/fat/obese you are going to struggle to find a partner, because many do not find such a state attractive. Actually scrap that, I've gained a few pounds, and men still look at me. I still managed to get a guy to fancy me. It's not the end of the world!

 

It's also fairly common sense in losing weight-eat less, do more. Although, it is a mental battle I'm currently facing. I still think this belongs in the rants section. Simple.

[harmfulsweetz]

I for one have had just about enough of the anti-lardass bigotry around here.

 

 

I second that. Do we really have to make several threads regarding weight?

 

 

Live and let live I say.

[Taramere]

There was a pretty famous guy back in the 70's I think, named Jim Fixx who wrote a popular book called the "Complete Book of Running." He ended up dropping dead of clogged arteries while jogging, even though he was seemingly in "great shape."

 

I remember reading that book years ago. I don't recall much of what he said, but the overall impression was that running gave him a high he was completely addicted to. I seem to remember finding the book somewhat unnerving in its zealous approach. He was an obessive along similar lines to the woman who wrote the Beverly Hills Diet book.

[Green]

Surely, there is enough threads about fat people relating to dating though? I don't actually see an awful lot in this thread which directly pertains to dating per se. I see the link, tenuous it may be, it does belong in the rants section. Sorry.

 

I mean, we certainly have enough threads (many started by you, if I recall?) about this specific issue, how much can we really bang it around? Talk about beating a dead horse. Apologies again.

 

It's fairly obvious that if you are overweight/fat/obese you are going to struggle to find a partner, because many do not find such a state attractive. Actually scrap that, I've gained a few pounds, and men still look at me. I still managed to get a guy to fancy me. It's not the end of the world!

 

It's also fairly common sense in losing weight-eat less, do more. Although, it is a mental battle I'm currently facing. I still think this belongs in the rants section. Simple.

 

Ok so instead of posting in this thread more and arguing how it should be in the rant section... why don't you just go post in your "SKinny" thread that you put in the "Dating" section.

 

I mean its common sense that women don't find skinny men attractive and its more of a "rant' acording to "You" but I guess you disagree with your own advice as I do because not only did you create such a thread but you also put it in the dating section.

 

So don't act like you havn't made threads about weight

[harmfulsweetz]

Ok so instead of posting in this thread more and arguing how it should be in the rant section... why don't you just go post in your "SKinny" thread that you put in the "Dating" section.

 

I mean its common sense that women don't find skinny men attractive and its more of a "rant' acording to "You" but I guess you disagree with your own advice as I do because not only did you create such a thread but you also put it in the dating section.

 

So don't act like you havn't made threads about weight

 

 

That was done as a joke, or a bit of a giggle since men, at the time of posting, kept creating threads about wanting their women to be skinny. However, I don't keep creating threads about weight, which you seem to. Each to their own, but why not just keep ONE thread about it, instead of creating several when they're all about the same issue?

 

I'm not creating several threads, saying basically the same thing. I put it in the dating section-because, heck the other threads were, and I wasn't ranting. You seem to be with comments such as (not quoted verbatim) 'Let's make the junk food more expensive', etc etc, exactly how does ideas about how to stop people getting overweight etc, pertain to dating? Identifying a physical characteristic that one finds sexually desirable does pertain to dating, but identifying ways in which people become fat, does not really.

 

It's either a rant, or belongs in the Health and well-being section.

How's about we agree to disagree on this?

Edited July 13, 2010 by harmfulsweetz

[Shakz]

There's a lot of weight behind your opinion sir.

 

That's heavy.

[Green]

That's heavy.

 

I'm heavy at over 200 lbs but I am not fat at over six feet tall.

[Shakz]

I'm heavy at over 200 lbs but I am not fat at over six feet tall.

 

We're probably about the same size, Green. I, however, am big and beautiful. (Ponies prance while fairies dance).

[Gold Pile]

Unfortunately, you don't see obese poor people shopping at the farmers market where you can get multiple bags of food for under ten dollars - you see them waddling around at Wal Mart buying 'tastier' junk food.

 

 

 

There's a very good reason for that, the obese don't want to get mistaken for the cattle.

:lmao: Thanks for the laugh.

[zengirl]

Serious about losing weight? Try the following.

 

1) Eliminate snacking - COMPLETELY. (including all drinks with any caloric content whatsoever)

 

2) Confine yourself to TWO meals each day - EXCLUSIVELY.

 

3) There is no step three - REALLY.

 

This is terrible weight loss advice, especially for women or people with already slow metabolisms.

 

It will slow your metabolism down. It will also lead you losing muscle first and fat later (especially without exercise).

 

Honestly, most bodies need small meals to know it can get rid of fat stores. Especially those most inclined to gain weight.

 

Portion size is the bigger issue than anything, and you can definitely do that cheaply, without being at all healthy. A Cup of Noodles only has like 300 calories in it. Three of those a day, two unhealthy bagged 100 calorie snack packs, and you're going to lose weight. That'd be around ($1 for the ramen + $2 for the snack packs, and you could get a 100 calorie snack cheaper/easier I think. . . just what came to mind for crap you could eat that was small portioned).

 

But, honestly, the sad thing isn't how expensive it is to lose weight, as it is: How expensive it is to be healthy. The government really should shift food subsidies to where they subsidize health, not the opposite. I do agree this doesn't seem to be about dating. Being healthy and being slim have little to do with each other.

[MrNate]

If you want to lose fat, you will need to incorporate a routine of cardio, resistance training, and cleaning up the diet. This formula has been tried and true for generations. Now the means by which you achieve the fat loss depend on whether you are male or female. Building muscle with heavy weights helps men more. Cardio/aerobic routines with some resistance training are likely to benefit women more. So while the means are different, the fundamental process is the same for males/females: a combination of cardio, resistance training, and a cleaner diet (with smaller meals). Fat loss hasn't been known to achieved any other way (natrually).

 

 

There is a book by a guy named Tom Venuto called "Burn the fat, feed the msucle". He's nothing short of an authority on the subject. I highly, highly recommend it.

[nddb]

No magic to it. If there are no excess calories --> no fat.

 

Either cut down your high caloric intake or do more exercise. Or combine both.

 

This formula has worked for millenniums. Except for true medical issues (like thyroid), all else = excuses.

 

I personally don't like women too skinny. But when I was living in Asia working on an exchange program, I notice nearly all women are thin and shapely. Wonder why that is--their diet and they walk everywhere.

 

Asian women who live in the US and stuff themselves with Costco frozen pizza and drive everywhere--> same obesity problem. We are eating ourselves to death in this country.

[zengirl]

I personally don't like women too skinny. But when I was living in Asia working on an exchange program, I notice nearly all women are thin and shapely. Wonder why that is--their diet and they walk everywhere.

 

The ability to walk everywhere can't be underestimated. Man, I wish U.S. cities were self-contained enough that I could walk + public transport, instead of drive. Here in Korea, almost everywhere is.

 

That said, the diet in Korea is kind of crap, since veggies and fruits are way overpriced, and a lot of the Korean girls I know either eat crap (but have great genetics; then again, so do I) or just don't eat all that much at all. Other Asian countries might have better diets, but Korea is a lot of meat, white rice, and few vegetables, except the low nutrient ones. Kimchi is fairly good for you, so they've got that staple going for them, but a lot they lack. Part of the "thin Asian girl" thing is genetics, though. They can get chubby/flabby just like anybody, but it'd be hard for them to be a Size 12/14. Portion size is much more realistic here, though. Sure, people eat crap, but they eat a much smaller amount of it. Snacks and meals are way smaller when given out in individual portions.

[SassyKitten]

Having travelled overseas, our portion sizes are definitely too large in comparison to most places around the world. The stomach is not meant to stretch past 2 fist sizes. When I found this out and started watching how much I eat and not so much what I eat, I dropped from a US 16(which I was throughout my childhood) to US 6, and have stayed at size 6 for years now.

 

Not to mention movement is so important. Unfortunately where I am living right now I have to drive everywhere, but I walk where I get the opportunity and make sure I fit in lots of yoga.

[stace79]

Honestly, I don't get people's obsession with dating only thin people. Personality is important to me and my attraction is solely based off of that. Of course, people say that personality isn't the first thing you see when you meet someone, but it is to a degree and certain personality traits that shine through immediately can attract me to someone or make me feel repulsed right off the bat.

 

Two of the guys I had large crushes on were obese. One of them morbidly so. My boyfriend right now I started dating before I knew anything about his appearance. I met him online. He knew what I looked like though, lol.

 

And a lot of the guys my friends flock around make me feel sick to my stomach. A lot of them aren't even that physically attractive. They are just confident about themselves and have certain repulsive personality traits.

 

And I definitely don't get the idea of society that fat people don't deserve to be loved or fall in love. Everyone deserves it. Everyone has faults, but you know, obviously eating more than everyone else is a fault so big that you should be locked up and put away from the rest of us or at least that's the kind of thing everyone likes to say.

 

Drinking too much or smoking can kill you as well, but it's all over television and most people don't complain about it. ABC Family made a new show (I love ABC Shows) called "Huge" about a fat camp, sympathizing with fat people and if you go on the forum for it, pretty much every single thread is about how disgusting fat people are.

 

Although I will agree that if you're fat, you'll get more dates if you lose weight. Society isn't me, but I hate society. It's really repulsive how judgmental they are against fat people. A man who makes fun of fat people or women's appearances in any way would become instantly unattractive to me.

 

But I don't know why people assume fat people can't fall in love. Let's say that no skinny person could ever love a fat person. So what? Can't fat people love each other. I don't get it . . . . .

 

I don't hate fat people. I'm "overweight" by traditional standards, but I exercise regularly and I make healthy choices in regards to what I eat -- lots of fruit and veggies, lean meats like chicken and fish, and I try to eat healthy portion sizes. But I screw up sometimes or take a day off to eat what I want.

 

What grosses me out is when someone eats McDonald's five times a week and orders super size meals every time. I mean, there is a difference being 50 or 75 pounds heavier than "normal" and being morbidly obese.

 

Obesity doesn't just happen. You don't just wake up one day weighing 400 pounds. It takes a lot of work (lol) to get to that size.

 

I agree people need to get off the ideal that Hollywood has set for people -- it's not realistic for all women to be size 6 or smaller, with 10% or less body fat and still have size C cup boobs. That just isn't normal, any more than 400 lbs is normal.

 

Variety is good -- curvier women and bottom-heavy women happen -- THAT is genetics. What is not normal or genetically predetermined is superskinny model types OR morbidly obese people.

 

You have to find somewhere in the middle, and then be happy with the little quirks God gave you -- be they hips or a little tummy bulge or love handles. Not everybody can be airbrushed in real life.

[tigressA]

Variety is good -- curvier women and bottom-heavy women happen -- THAT is genetics. What is not normal or genetically predetermined is superskinny model types OR morbidly obese people.

 

I really dislike when people say that body type is not "normal". I've known quite a few girls and guys who have had a lot of difficulty in gaining and maintaining a "normal" weight, myself included; they were quite skinny and rumors spread about them having eating disorders, but they ate just as heartily as the next person. How can someone say that those people don't have a genetically predetermined condition, or that they're not "normal"?

 

We're all so used to seeing a bunch of fat people walking around that if we spot a naturally thin/skinny person we automatically come to the conclusion that they must be starving themselves, that they're not "normal". Ugh.

Edited July 26, 2010 by tigressA

[MrNate]

I really dislike when people say that body type is not "normal". I've known quite a few girls and guys who have had a lot of difficulty in gaining and maintaining a "normal" weight, myself included; they were quite skinny and rumors spread about them having eating disorders, but they ate just as heartily as the next person. How can someone say that those people don't have a genetically predetermined condition, or that they're not "normal"?

 

We're all so used to seeing a bunch of fat people walking around that if we spot a naturally thin/skinny person we automatically come to the conclusion that they must be starving themselves, that they're not "normal". Ugh.

 

I agree with what you quoted. How is genetic predetermined body types not 'normal'??

 

I don't see anything wrong with skinny people either. I mean, I was chubby for a considerable portion of my life, and then I had this weird growth spurt and got very skinny for a couple years, then finally filled out and got muscular (what I am now). I can definitely say 17 out my 21 years has given me most problems when I was either skinny/chubby. Those were long years. You really do get hell from people for not being with the 'in' crowd.

[SassyKitten]

You definitely get hell from people for not being in the in-crowd and I can appreciate this from bad personal experience growing up. If someone told me 10 years ago that one day I would be 5'10" and a size 6, I would have thought they were completely delusional.

 

But then that said, needing to be physically attracted to someone isn't completely shallow. It's a measure of how well they take care of themselves, and that's an important attitude to have for a healthy relationship.

[RedDevil66]

As a Canadian, I can say, Americans are known for their "gorging" and obesity.

I often travel into the US to shop and I am amazed at how only 45 mins from home, I see 1 thin American for every 20 or so.

 

The amount of junk food sold in US groceries stores is astonishing.

Everything comes in Super Size. There is a Mcd's at every corner.

 

You don't have to be wealthy in ANY respect to eat a healthy diet. It doesn't cost much to eat well. It cost more for a 12 can of coke than it does for bottled water or brown rice, or oatmeal.

Fruits and veggies in season are cheap. Right now you can get a seedless watermelon for $3. A heck of a lot less than frozen pizza's.

"Eating healthy costs a lot" is an excuse unhealthy people use.

 

Obesity is not always a choice, but 99% of the time it is. It's an addiction like any other. It's no different than drug or alcohol addictions.

Just being overweight (not obese) is just sheer laziness.

 

I used to be chubby and 12 yrs ago took the bull by the horns and made a CHOICE to be healthy.

I became a weight lifter and my diet went from horrible to great.

I went from a size 14 (which is overweight) to a size 3 in 7 months.

Now, 12 yr later, I'm 44 and in the best shape of my life.

 

There is no magic to weight loss. Eat well, eat less cals and do more exercise and you will maintain a healthy weight.