Don't Blame Fat People

[Green]

It's always sage dating advice to tell people who come on here to "get in shape."

 

So many people these days are overweight or just plain fat. This is unattractive for a number of reasons a few of which include health, appearance, and abilities.

 

But blaming a fat person for being fat is a lot like blaming a poor person for being poor. What I mean by that is the person most likely doesn't want to be fat.

 

Yes genes and to a greater extent choices play a big role in being fat... but as a society how can we let healthy food cost more then junk?

 

I am proud to be an American.

 

I just don't want this country to be known for being fat, unattractive, unhealthy slobs.

 

I have a big problem with the FACT that the government subisdises CORN so that mass amounts of it can be grown more cheaply then otherwise possible... THIS CORN IS NOT FOOD... its actualy not the type of corn you can eat.

 

What this corn is used for is to make SUGAR SUBSTITUTES and ANIMAL FEED FILLER. Humans were not mean to eat all the artificial chemicals we eat. DONT EAT FOOD with HFCS or CORN SYRUP... or NATURAL OR ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS>.. even when it says NATURAL FLAVORS... that still means CHEMICALS and they DON'T LIST THE INGREDIENTS.

 

MEAT is cheap because they feed the animals CORN FEED crap that the animals CAN'T DIGEST... so they keep these sickly animals ALIVE with ANTIBIOTICS. WE INGEST THIS CRAP. All beef was better tasting like KOBE beef back in the day.

 

Look people from a purchase power prospective PLEASE stay away from CORN fed BEEF such as the kind you see at the supermarket... PLUS stay away from all that artificialy CORN made CORN sweetened food.

 

EAT FOOD WITH REAL INGREDIENTS.

 

Most importantly we all need to VOTE and live in a world where HEALTHY food is cheaper then McDonolads and JUNK FOOD crap.

 

Vegatables and healthy edible food should be subsidised and CHEAP. Coke and candy and junk/McDonalds should be EXPENSIVE.

 

So yes fat people do have some control. But we are all to blame.

[threebyfate]

All beef was better tasting like KOBE beef back in the day.

 

You may want to google what Kobe beef really is, before using it as the example of normality. It's so not normal...

[Pfiend101]

I can see how someone can get chubby. Its not that hard. However morbidly obese is just disgusting. I used to be fat. I diet'd and exercised now I'm skinny. Theres no reason these other people can't do it as well

[Pfiend101]

Also we often as people are taught that food is love. It isn't.

[Shakz]

You may want to google what Kobe beef really is, before using it as the example of normality. It's so not normal...

 

Yeah, it's mostly fat. And I'd rather have cattle fed corn then cattle fed other cattle. Personally, I can't remember the last time I had a steak. Never cared much for beef. Even a hamburger gives me a whiff reminiscent of a rendering plant. Now fish, that's another story.

[Green]

Yeah, it's mostly fat. And I'd rather have cattle fed corn then cattle fed other cattle. Personally, I can't remember the last time I had a steak. Never cared much for beef. Even a hamburger gives me a whiff reminiscent of a rendering plant. Now fish, that's another story.

 

They were often feeding our beef suply other animals.

 

Cattle should be fed GRASS.

[threebyfate]

Yeah, it's mostly fat. And I'd rather have cattle fed corn then cattle fed other cattle. Personally, I can't remember the last time I had a steak. Never cared much for beef. Even a hamburger gives me a whiff reminiscent of a rendering plant. Now fish, that's another story.

It's fat since it's kept confined and fed some form of alcohol and other fattening feeds, daily. Traditional Kobe beef, rather than Kobe-style beef, includes a daily massage of plum/rice wine where women take mouthfuls of the wine, spit it onto the cow and then massage it into the cow. In other words, the special breed of cow is being marinated all its life. So not normal...

[MrNate]

Wait, what's going on here?

[Enchanted Girl]

Honestly, I don't get people's obsession with dating only thin people. Personality is important to me and my attraction is solely based off of that. Of course, people say that personality isn't the first thing you see when you meet someone, but it is to a degree and certain personality traits that shine through immediately can attract me to someone or make me feel repulsed right off the bat.

 

Two of the guys I had large crushes on were obese. One of them morbidly so. My boyfriend right now I started dating before I knew anything about his appearance. I met him online. He knew what I looked like though, lol.

 

And a lot of the guys my friends flock around make me feel sick to my stomach. A lot of them aren't even that physically attractive. They are just confident about themselves and have certain repulsive personality traits.

 

And I definitely don't get the idea of society that fat people don't deserve to be loved or fall in love. Everyone deserves it. Everyone has faults, but you know, obviously eating more than everyone else is a fault so big that you should be locked up and put away from the rest of us or at least that's the kind of thing everyone likes to say.

 

Drinking too much or smoking can kill you as well, but it's all over television and most people don't complain about it. ABC Family made a new show (I love ABC Shows) called "Huge" about a fat camp, sympathizing with fat people and if you go on the forum for it, pretty much every single thread is about how disgusting fat people are.

 

Although I will agree that if you're fat, you'll get more dates if you lose weight. Society isn't me, but I hate society. It's really repulsive how judgmental they are against fat people. A man who makes fun of fat people or women's appearances in any way would become instantly unattractive to me.

 

But I don't know why people assume fat people can't fall in love. Let's say that no skinny person could ever love a fat person. So what? Can't fat people love each other. I don't get it . . . . .

[Shakz]

They were often feeding our beef suply other animals.

 

Cattle should be fed GRASS.

 

Botanically speaking, corn is a grass. Do you mean alfalfa?

[make me believe]

Some people literally don't have access to healthy whole foods, but the average overweight person that you see in your daily life definitely does. They just choose to go to McDonald's instead of taking the time to cook their own healthy food. Most people are overweight due to personal choices. I eat healthfully for cheap so I know it's possible. Plus, exercise is free! It doesn't cost anything to go for a walk or a run. I definitely agree with you that fruits & veggies need to be subsidized, and not meat & dairy.

[Green]

Botanically speaking, corn is a grass. Do you mean alfalfa?

 

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

 

Some people literally don't have access to healthy whole foods, but the average overweight person that you see in your daily life definitely does. They just choose to go to McDonald's instead of taking the time to cook their own healthy food. Most people are overweight due to personal choices. I eat healthfully for cheap so I know it's possible. Plus, exercise is free! It doesn't cost anything to go for a walk or a run. I definitely agree with you that fruits & veggies need to be subsidized, and not meat & dairy.

 

Its the fact that McDonalds just as an example SHOULD BE WAY MORE EXPENSIVE. The meat is cheap because they feed the cows CORN FEED that is cheap because the government PAYS for the CORN. Then the COKE is cheap because its made with High Fructose Corn Syrup which is also subsidised by our government via the corn it pays for. Then finaly the labor is cheap because they pay minimum wage and get MONEY FROM THE GOV for training the people according to a book I read "Fast food Nation." Basicly said that our government helps subsidise the revolving door of low paid employees who get jobs at McDonalds... SO for all theses GOVERNMENT reasons JUNK food becomes cheap. Not to mention it is EASY... at least thats what people get tricked into thinking. There is nothing Easy about living a life FAT.

[Enchanted Girl]

How about instead of being all angry about the fact that some people are fat and can get their food cheaply, you just let them pursue their lives how they want to. Why is it that important to make those things expensive?

 

They made smoking and alcohol expensive by putting a lot of taxes on it with the same excuses that doing those things excessively makes people unhealthy, but in my opinion, it just sounds like a bunch of people trying to control other people and make those people live up to the same moral standards as them.

 

Not to mention, the government usually wastes all the extra money it gets by taxing these things. I'd rather the money be in our pockets and not theirs.

[Shakz]

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

 

Yeah, I do. Devil's advocate.

[threebyfate]

The easiest way to get rid of HFCS, is to ban it. What this will do is to effectively crank up the price on foods that rely on the cheap source of sweetener since then, the manufacturers will go back to processed sugar, which isn't much better than HFCS. Of course then, the producers of processed sugars will regain their commodity weapon.

 

As for grass fed beef, this takes room and quality soil. The more nutrient rich grass, the better the cattle marbles and tastes. In order to get this room, they need to clear more forests since forests are where natural fertilization occurs which means a cheap source of good feed.

 

And then what happens to the oxygen supply, when more forests are taken down?

 

Corn is a high yield, cheap and forest saving feed. It's one of the options of many poor options.

 

Fish is expensive and a resource that's being rapidly depleted to the point of being non-renewable. If the government were to subsidize fishing more, there would be no stocks left in a hurry. Fish farming creates unhealthy fish due to crowding. Fish farming is also passing disease to wild fish stocks.

 

So now, let's pretend that the government subsides healthy fruits and vegetables. What kinds of healthy crops are high yield unless you don't care if more forests are taken down to make room?

[Green]

How about instead of being all angry about the fact that some people are fat and can get their food cheaply, you just let them pursue their lives how they want to. Why is it that important to make those things expensive?

 

They made smoking and alcohol expensive by putting a lot of taxes on it with the same excuses that doing those things excessively makes people unhealthy, but in my opinion, it just sounds like a bunch of people trying to control other people and make those people live up to the same moral standards as them.

 

Not to mention, the government usually wastes all the extra money it gets by taxing these things. I'd rather the money be in our pockets and not theirs.

 

I'm not angry at fat people. I merely find them unattractactive when it comes to dating. I also feel sorry for them because of the health consequences and the fact that most of them don't CHOOSE to be fat even though it is THEIR CHOICES that get them there.

 

Their choices do effect me greatly in so many different ways. If you don't see how much FAT people cost us in this country you are blind.

 

Yes a democratic society is about the majority making decisions that control and protect all citizens.

 

The government is wasting my money right now making FAST FOOD & JUNK FOOD cheap.

 

 

 

The easiest way to get rid of HFCS, is to ban it. What this will do is to effectively crank up the price on foods that rely on the cheap source of sweetener since then, the manufacturers will go back to processed sugar, which isn't much better than HFCS. Of course then, the producers of processed sugars will regain their commodity weapon.

 

As for grass fed beef, this takes room and quality soil. The more nutrient rich grass, the better the cattle marbles and tastes. In order to get this room, they need to clear more forests since forests are where natural fertilization occurs which means a cheap source of good feed.

 

And then what happens to the oxygen supply, when more forests are taken down?

 

Corn is a high yield, cheap and forest saving feed. It's one of the options of many poor options.

 

Fish is expensive and a resource that's being rapidly depleted to the point of being non-renewable. If the government were to subsidize fishing more, there would be no stocks left in a hurry. Fish farming creates unhealthy fish due to crowding. Fish farming is also passing disease to wild fish stocks.

 

So now, let's pretend that the government subsides healthy fruits and vegetables. What kinds of healthy crops are high yield unless you don't care if more forests are taken down to make room?

 

Hmm I'm for Healthy food being CHEAPER then JUNK FOOD. But really I think all food should be expensive and that the Government should stop subsidising our food so that CORN and MEAT are cheap.

 

I think the environment would benefit from the price of MEAT and CORN going up.

 

I think that people need to be educated about HFCS not to mention NATURAL FLAVORS (aka chemicals) and the more obviouse ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS (aka chemicals)

[Zed]

 

 

 

Its the fact that McDonalds just as an example SHOULD BE WAY MORE EXPENSIVE. The meat is cheap because they feed the cows CORN FEED that is cheap because the government PAYS for the CORN. Then the COKE is cheap because its made with High Fructose Corn Syrup which is also subsidised by our government via the corn it pays for. Then finaly the labor is cheap because they pay minimum wage and get MONEY FROM THE GOV for training the people according to a book I read "Fast food Nation." Basicly said that our government helps subsidise the revolving door of low paid employees who get jobs at McDonalds... SO for all theses GOVERNMENT reasons JUNK food becomes cheap. Not to mention it is EASY... at least thats what people get tricked into thinking. There is nothing Easy about living a life FAT.

 

I have to agree to some extent. Vegetables and fruits are really expensive. It is a challenge to eat healthy--its not as simple as just eating healthy and exercising. I work around and live in a poor neighborhood and junk food is far more plentiful and cheaper then nutritious foods. If you want to eat healthy it will cost big—from the overpriced organic fruits and vegetables to the farmer’s markets that are located in high priced suburbs that many poor people don’t have regular transportation i.e., bus lines to get them to.

 

Plus a lot of the regular chain supermarkets in these areas offer poor quality and still expensive fruits and vegetables. Even then there is a phenomena call graveyard grocers in which grocery chains leave poor neighborhoods for higher end suburbs. So what is a poor obese/overweight person to do? They can purchase cheap food at Mc Donald’s and Popeye Dollar menus and buy Ramen noodles and other dry goods very cheaply which of course has loads of fat and sugars at some corner store or Walmart—since the regular chains are not usually there or easy to get to. Even food stamps don’t allow for you to buy healthfully. So it is a never ending cycle. Also look how regular food chains are set up. Produce are always hidden on the side of the store, whereas all the other dry good, chips, and other non-essential items are prominently displayed and in the front of the store usually with promonotional sales--buy one get one free.

 

Also exercising can be dangerous--especially if you don't live in a safe neighborhood. You can't just pick up and jog or walk somewhere when you live close to a dope hole.

 

That and other issues are why some of the fattest people are poor and why some of the fattest people live in states that are poor:

 

Obese states

1. Mississippi 35.3%

 

2. Alabama 31.6%

 

3. Tennessee 32.8

 

4. West Virginia 31.7

 

5. Louisiana 33.9

 

6.Oklahoma 32.0

 

7.Kentucky 32.3

 

8.Arkansas31.4

 

9 South Carolina 30.0

 

10.North Carolina 30.1

 

11 Michigan 30.3

 

12 Missouri 30.5

 

13 Ohio29.7

[Green]

I have to agree to some extent. Vegetables and fruits are really expensive. It is a challenge to eat healthy--its not as simple as just eating healthy and exercising. I work around and live in a poor neighborhood and junk food is far more plentiful and cheaper then nutritious foods. If you want to eat healthy it will cost big—from the overpriced organic fruits and vegetables to the farmer’s markets that are located in high priced suburbs that many poor people don’t have regular transportation i.e., bus lines to get them to.

 

Plus a lot of the regular chain supermarkets in these areas offer poor quality and still expensive fruits and vegetables. Even then there is a phenomena call graveyard grocers in which grocery chains leave poor neighborhoods for higher end suburbs. So what is a poor obese/overweight person to do? They can purchase cheap food at Mc Donald’s and Popeye Dollar menus and buy Ramen noodles and other dry goods very cheaply which of course has loads of fat and sugars at some corner store or Walmart—since the regular chains are not usually there or easy to get to. Even food stamps don’t allow for you to buy healthfully. So it is a never ending cycle. Also look how regular food chains are set up. Produce are always hidden on the side of the store, whereas all the other dry good, chips, and other non-essential items are prominently displayed and in the front of the store usually with promonotional sales--buy one get one free.

 

Also exercising can be dangerous--especially if you don't live in a safe neighborhood. You can't just pick up and jog or walk somewhere when you live close to a dope hole.

 

That and other issues are why some of the fattest people are poor and why some of the fattest people live in states that are poor:

 

Obese states

1. Mississippi 35.3%

 

2. Alabama 31.6%

 

3. Tennessee 32.8

 

4. West Virginia 31.7

 

5. Louisiana 33.9

 

6.Oklahoma 32.0

 

7.Kentucky 32.3

 

8.Arkansas31.4

 

9 South Carolina 30.0

 

10.North Carolina 30.1

 

11 Michigan 30.3

 

12 Missouri 30.5

 

13 Ohio29.7

 

Yes fat and poor are becoming something that go togather. If you went back in time 30 years or so and tried to explain that POOR people are the ones more likely to be fat ... people would be shocked as through out history it is only the rich who were fat.

 

Yet another reason why poor people have more problems getting DATES its an indicator of wealth... heck its even an indicator of dare I say it INTELEGENCE.... Now I'm not saying their arn't fat smart people who arn't poor... but there is NO DOUBT a TREND.

 

I want to spread the word. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING WITH CHEMICALS AS ingredients such as NATURAL FLAVORS, ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, and of course CORN SYRUP.

 

You know I heard they are even aloud to put HFCS in HONEY and not list it on the ingredients.

 

You want to eat cheap and take advantage of the buy one get one free... you'll be buying COKE and CHIPS and BREAD heck even RAMENS FRIED NOODLES are PURE SUGAR.

[MrNate]

lol. what kind of thread is this? this is pretty funny.

[Shakz]

lol. what kind of thread is this? this is pretty funny.

 

Oh it's funny, but it's no joke. Do you have any idea how many Ethiopians and Sudanese are dying everyday from malnutrition. While we fat, lazy Americans gorge ourselves on cheeseburgers and fries, oblivious to their plight. From this day forward, I pledge I will only eat cornmeal in gruel form, or cream of wheat, or creme brulee, or whatever.

[Disillusioned]

If you want to blame someone, blame the damn doctors who charge a fortune for a lipo! If they were under $1K, believe me I'd go out and get one.

 

BTW love handles are called that because they are meant to be held. Skinny people are NOT attractive.

[Gero]

I put on some weight recently since being unemployed. Right now I am 5'9" and 193 pounds and wear pants with a 36' waste. I don't consider myself that big really, but when I looked up my weight recently it said that I was just shy of obese.

[Nikki Sahagin]

I agree that its actually quite difficult to eat healthily. Even when I THINK i'm eating healthily, I honestly have no idea what the packet and the list of ingredients is really telling me. It says one thing on the front and means another; you have to either have a science degree or speak another language to decipher what food packaging is telling you. Even if you make a healthy choice you don't know what preservatives etc have been chucked all over it, so unless you have the money to buy organically, are informed enough to decode food packaging or have enough time to grow your own ingredients and regularly make your own meals, fast or shop brought food is always the easy alternative.

[Enchanted Girl]

What is with all this organic this and organic that? Organic food isn't healthier than other food. Where is your proof? I've done research on it and there has been no conclusive studies that it's actually healthier. Organic food isn't the same thing as non-processed food. Processed food is less healthy than non-processed food. Just buy normal fruits and vegetables at the super market like I do. I eat them all the time. I don't know where you guys are coming from saying that it tastes disgusting. It tastes fine to me. Organic food always sounds like, to me, the kind of food that people pay more money for so that they can feel better about themselves. It's kind of like those 100 calorie packs out there, where it's exactly the same food as in the big packages, just organized into smaller servings and more expensive.

 

@Green: If you want to pay more for no reason, that's fine with me, go ahead. Do it right now, but personally, I don't think that's a good enough reason for more of my money to be taken away from me. Also, I don't think that will stop fat people from being fat. The reason our country isn't like other countries where people are starving to death is because food is cheap and available to us. I don't think we should try to get closer in the direction of those countries.

[Nikki Sahagin]

Well I was always led to believe that organic food retains more nutrients and nourishment but as I said, i'm not well-researched on the matter. I know squat about food other than what I like eating.