Pyro Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 The blog post was from 4 years ago the research is current. I also see the less disciplined mind of fat people for myself and make my own judgment. those studies were done from 1996 and 2001.
sweetjasmine Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 I also see the less disciplined mind of fat people for myself and make my own judgment. In other words, you take confirmation bias and parade it around as fact. I'm sure convinced now.
txsilkysmoothe Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 I don't think eating Fast Food is cheaper than cooking at home. Fast Food for two averages about $15. I also don't think eating Fast Food is the reason people are fat. People can cook plenty of fattening foods at home and usually in larger quantities than if they had bought a meal out. I don't have a problem with a little chub on a man; but when a person is so heavy that they sweat abnormally, breathe abnormally, can't walk up a flight of stairs, have trouble getting in and out of a chair, I can't feel attraction. I'm not concerned about who's to blame, I'm concerned about who's going to recognize and correct it. Only the individual can do that.
JustJoe Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Green, Jasmine is right about that. One study is not fact. Multiple studies from different sources,over a period of years, establish facts. If I said that skinny people are perverts, and use one study by the fast-food industry, as my "proof", it wold have the same validity.
SpanksTheMonkey Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 I'm not angry at fat people. I merely find them unattractactive when it comes to dating. I also feel sorry for them because of the health consequences and the fact that most of them don't CHOOSE to be fat even though it is THEIR CHOICES that get them there. You sure about that? this is like the 4th thread in as many weeks you have started about the subject in general most of the others got niped in the butt before they could even get going Their choices do effect me greatly in so many different ways. If you don't see how much FAT people cost us in this country you are blind. I dont live in the USA so how do I affect you greatly please enlighten me?Im not affecting your helath care system so am I ok then as a "fat person"? or do you have some other smoke screen explanation for your hate? Yes a democratic society is about the majority making decisions that control and protect all citizens. The government is wasting my money right now making FAST FOOD & JUNK FOOD cheap. Hmm I'm for Healthy food being CHEAPER then JUNK FOOD. But really I think all food should be expensive and that the Government should stop subsidising our food so that CORN and MEAT are cheap. Corn oils are actually a bit unhealthey meat and natural fats ill admit is ok for you like anything else in moderation of course I think the environment would benefit from the price of MEAT and CORN going up. So witch is it should they be cheaper or go up? lol I think that people need to be educated about HFCS not to mention NATURAL FLAVORS (aka chemicals) and the more obviouse ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS (aka chemicals) Common people know what crap food is and healthy food for the most part no ones going to be shocked and amazed to learn that Twinkie has something unhealthy in it for us lol. what kind of thread is this? this is pretty funny. its another one of Greens anti fat person threads if you like this hold on there will be more in the very near future im sure Ten is NOT big. Its just not skinny. agreed 10 is not overweight just goes to show you that people have different opinions when it comes to weight,hight,looks in general for that matter! overweight people can have just as fulfilling lives as others for just that reason. Maybe thats what annoys some people why should that "fat" person be happy if I'm skinny and can't find a "Hot" gf You didn't read my thread because I also said Fat/Stupid have a corelation. Really im overweight and graduated head of my class I think you will find ingorance and intolerance comes in all shapes and sizes my Green little friend In other words, you take confirmation bias and parade it around as fact. I'm sure convinced now. Me too! if the masses think its right it must be after all
threebyfate Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Never trust falsifed blog entries. This student purporting to pursue a PhD messed with the data. She also inserted the generalized term of "intelligence tests" for the real tests that were performed. http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/67/7/1208 For the changes in scores at word-list learning (delayed recall), regression coefficients were –0.008 ± 0.13, –0.09 ± 0.13, –0.17 ± 0.14, and –0.35 ± 0.14 (p for trend < 0.001) for the second, third, fourth, and fifth quintiles of BMI at baseline when compared with the first quintile. No significant association was found between changes in BMI and cognitive function. Conclusions: Body mass index was independently associated both with cognitive function (word-list learning and Digit–Symbol Substitution Test) and changes in word-list learning in healthy, nondemented, middle-aged men and women. No one needs to be pursuing a PhD to properly comprehend the above.
Taramere Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) I googled Size 10 because as a man I don't understand women's sizes. http://www.designerpitstop.co.uk/images/New%20Product%20Women/A-103-lrg.jpg That's a UK size 10, really skinny. I can't find a good picture representing a size 10 here in the US. I'm a UK size 10 and I can tell you that I'm certainly not as skinny as that. UK size 10 translates as hips between 36" and 37". Over the years it's got a lot more generous. My mother's wedding dress was a size 10, and she had a size 22" waist back then. Nowadays her dress would probably be classed as a size 6. The model in your pic looks more like a UK size 6 or 8 - which would be a US size 2-4 (unless it's a store that does vanity sizing, in which case she'd be a zero - or even one of these minus sizes I've heard about). If she's tall then I suppose she would automatically take a bigger size - regardless of how skinny she is, but she definitely looks smaller than a UK size 10 to me. She seems to have a very straight up and down build (her waist barely goes in) so perhaps that affects the visuals. Anyway, just wanted to clarify that that's pretty scrawny looking for a UK size 10, because size 10 is generally touted as the right size for the average woman in (5 ft 4"ish) here. I wouldn't want any UK readers looking at that pic and thinking that they need to be as thin as that to get into a size 10. Edited July 12, 2010 by Taramere
Gero Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Size Zero... girls are amazing. Why don't us guys have exaggerated sizes for our clothes and shoes and such? I would love to have a size 258 shoe.
lino Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Healthy food isn't more expensive than junk food if you actually know how to cook and prepare food yourself. If you're in an area where you can catch your own fish then you can really save $$$ I brought home 70 bucks worth of fish on sunday and it cost me nearly nothing to catch em! Most people who are fat are simply lazy.
Krytie TV Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 At our fruit market here, we can buy a month's worth of vegetables and fruit for about $40. Never deny that so many people make poor decisions. Yes, most of the cheaper and "more convenient" food is the crappy food. Yet more and more people insist on living from convenience to convenience rather than put in some effort. It's not just food though. The people who have these eating patterns are really no different than those that buy Hummers and 8-cylinder Titans, F-350s, and other 10 MPG hogs to get the the nearest Target. Same problem, differtent sympton. Our key word is EXCESS. That's what America is built on and that's what it will always be.
Shakz Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Healthy food isn't more expensive than junk food if you actually know how to cook and prepare food yourself. If you're in an area where you can catch your own fish then you can really save $$$ I brought home 70 bucks worth of fish on sunday and it cost me nearly nothing to catch em! Most people who are fat are simply lazy. You're right about the fish. I live in a fisherman's paradise. A few minutes away from lakes, rivers, and the sea. All full of game fish in season. Plus crab and mollusks. I'm the world's worst fisherman and I could live all year on the trout I take from the little lake nearby in summer. Having said that, I find the comment about fat people being lazy ironic. Most of my fishing buddies are big guys. I mean big.
lino Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Most of my fishing buddies are big guys. I mean big. Yeah some guys who have fishing as a hobby can be very fat. That's usually because fishing is the most active thing they do
Author Green Posted July 12, 2010 Author Posted July 12, 2010 At our fruit market here, we can buy a month's worth of vegetables and fruit for about $40. Never deny that so many people make poor decisions. Yes, most of the cheaper and "more convenient" food is the crappy food. Yet more and more people insist on living from convenience to convenience rather than put in some effort. It's not just food though. The people who have these eating patterns are really no different than those that buy Hummers and 8-cylinder Titans, F-350s, and other 10 MPG hogs to get the the nearest Target. Same problem, differtent sympton. Our key word is EXCESS. That's what America is built on and that's what it will always be. I just feel bad because kids go into their teenage dating years 100lbs over weight or more because of bad parenting which I consider abuse. It costs me more then 40$ to get my fruits and vegatables for the week. Not to mention fresh stuff doesn't always last then many days compared to the TV dinners that so many people eat. You're right about the fish. I live in a fisherman's paradise. A few minutes away from lakes, rivers, and the sea. All full of game fish in season. Plus crab and mollusks. I'm the world's worst fisherman and I could live all year on the trout I take from the little lake nearby in summer. Having said that, I find the comment about fat people being lazy ironic. Most of my fishing buddies are big guys. I mean big. You can't eat the fish that come from lakes around here. POISON I remember I went on a fishing trip in the Canadien wilderness. It was great I ate what I could catch, drank from the stream, really fun.
Taramere Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 It's not just food though. The people who have these eating patterns are really no different than those that buy Hummers and 8-cylinder Titans, F-350s, and other 10 MPG hogs to get the the nearest Target. Same problem, differtent sympton. Our key word is EXCESS. That's what America is built on and that's what it will always be. I visited San Diego a while back, and found it really hard to get about. I like to walk, but everywhere these massive great highways made it hard to do that. Hardly anyone was out walking, and I felt a bit weird for doing it. It struck me that the infrastructure makes it quite hard for people to get out and about by foot (or on bicycle) whereas in Europe it's really easy to get around without a car. I go to the gym pretty regularly (usually - not lately due to having a virus), but I'd say that walking and cycling around are my main calorie burners. In a place where it's hard to get around without a car, I think it would be easy to start putting on the pounds. Especially when you add into the equation these mammoth sized portions that are served up in the US. Every morning in San Diego I was confronted with an enormous glass of freshly squeezed orange juice plus a dinner plate sized waffle with whipped cream, chopped nuts, whipped butter and various fruits. I ate the lot, and I returned from the US five pounds heavier than I was at the start of my holiday. That wiped the smug "these Americans just aren't disciplined enough about their food intake" grin off my face. We're getting a major obesity problem in the UK too, and I'm absolutely convinced that the burgeoning of fast food outets over the past 20 years is one of the main factors. Everywhere you look, those places are filled with people. Then you go to the supermarket, and they're full of people stacking their trolleys high. Where I live, again over the past twenty years there have been at least 12 enormous supermarkets added...and it's not that big a population...but it seems that people's appetites expand to keep these new places in business. They say that when you build a new road, people will drive more to fill it. Same seems to go for fast food outlets and supermarkets. The more you build, the more people consume.
tman666 Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 It's actually significantly cheaper for me to eat "healthy" than it is for me to go out to McD's three times a day...but I don't buy into the whole organic food nonsense, so I don't pay that premium for marketed bullsh*t... Again, it's the choices that people make...primarily for convenience...and the tastiness of a delicious Big Mac, Coke, and fries... 100 Percent Agree. Eating healthy does not have to be expensive, especially when you compare it to fast food. There are plenty of cheap sources of nutritionally complete foods out there. They just happen to require more PREPARATION and some PLANNING AHEAD, god forbid. Sure, meat is expensive, but there are many meat options within the budget of most people. Round steaks are fairly cheap. Chicken is fairly cheap. In my opinion, obesity has to do with people being pussies and making excuse after excuse for themselves to eat crap food and not get up off the couch or off the computer. Bottom line. Everyone likes to whine about how it's someone else's fault. It's not physical weakness, it's mental weakness. Sorry if I sound hateful at all. I don't hate or even inherently dislike fat people. My best friend is obese and has been his whole life. Also, Lulz @ people who think that Organic food is better for them and the planet. That's ok though, it's not the only niche market driven by ignorance.
threebyfate Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 At our fruit market here, we can buy a month's worth of vegetables and fruit for about $40. Never deny that so many people make poor decisions. Yes, most of the cheaper and "more convenient" food is the crappy food. Yet more and more people insist on living from convenience to convenience rather than put in some effort.$40 wouldn't last a week here and I'm talking about buying from asian food markets which are very, very cheap. You must not live in the city or suburbs where the cost of living is high. It's not just food though. The people who have these eating patterns are really no different than those that buy Hummers and 8-cylinder Titans, F-350s, and other 10 MPG hogs to get the the nearest Target. Same problem, differtent sympton. Our key word is EXCESS. That's what America is built on and that's what it will always be.I agree that lifestyle is a large part of obesity. This includes a lack of exercise, as well as too much of the wrong kinds of foods. And yet, I don't understand the driving need to stigmatize larger individuals. It's not as if the OP is trying to help anyone.
norajane Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Every morning in San Diego I was confronted with an enormous glass of freshly squeezed orange juice plus a dinner plate sized waffle with whipped cream, chopped nuts, whipped butter and various fruits. I ate the lot, and I returned from the US five pounds heavier than I was at the start of my holiday. That wiped the smug "these Americans just aren't disciplined enough about their food intake" grin off my face. Wasn't ordering the waffle your choice? And eating the whole thing? There are healthier choices, even when eating out. I traveled for business for years, and every hotel I went to had options such as yogurt, granola and fruit for breakfast. Or oatmeal. I'm not clear on the point you're making about discipline. Are you referring to portion size being deceptive rather than being a matter of choice and discipline?
flying Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Wasn't ordering the waffle your choice? And eating the whole thing? There are healthier choices, even when eating out. I traveled for business for years, and every hotel I went to had options such as yogurt, granola and fruit for breakfast. Or oatmeal. I'm not clear on the point you're making about discipline. Are you referring to portion size being deceptive rather than being a matter of choice and discipline? My interpretation of what she said is that lack of discipline, in terms of food intake, is not exclusive to Americans really. Anyone can succumb. It's true that the US doesn't make it easy in most cities to get around by anything but car, and that the portion sizes are often insane...but if you recreate those same issues in another culture, you'll find the same results.
stillafool Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Some people literally don't have access to healthy whole foods, but the average overweight person that you see in your daily life definitely does. They just choose to go to McDonald's instead of taking the time to cook their own healthy food. Most people are overweight due to personal choices. I eat healthfully for cheap so I know it's possible. Plus, exercise is free! It doesn't cost anything to go for a walk or a run. I definitely agree with you that fruits & veggies need to be subsidized, and not meat & dairy. I agree. I can't stand fast food. Vegetables really aren't that expensive when compaired to a fast meal combo. It really isn't that expensive to eat healthy. I agree it is the choices that people make regarding what they eat.
Engadget Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 At our fruit market here, we can buy a month's worth of vegetables and fruit for about $40. Never deny that so many people make poor decisions. Yes, most of the cheaper and "more convenient" food is the crappy food. Yet more and more people insist on living from convenience to convenience rather than put in some effort. It's not just food though. The people who have these eating patterns are really no different than those that buy Hummers and 8-cylinder Titans, F-350s, and other 10 MPG hogs to get the the nearest Target. Same problem, differtent sympton. Our key word is EXCESS. That's what America is built on and that's what it will always be. Jesus where the hell do you live? A single tomato here is anywhere from 1-3 dollars. One per day for a month at 2 dollars is 60, and you're not eating a tomato every day by itself.
Taramere Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Wasn't ordering the waffle your choice? And eating the whole thing? I'm not arguing otherwise. They were delicious. If I lived in the US and knew I could have a breakfast like that any time I chose, then it would be a once in a while thing...but when I'm on holiday I just go for it and enjoy the food that's on offer. I'm not clear on the point you're making about discipline. Are you referring to portion size being deceptive rather than being a matter of choice and discipline? The portion sizes you're given in US restaurants are extremely big, so the diner automatically has more temptation in front of them. Which obviously requires the exercise of more discipline than if they were given a smaller portion. When you give people bigger portions, the chances of them starting to get fat inevitably increase. Of course there's a very valid argument that people should discipline themselves and avoid finishing everything on their place... but that doesn't change the reality that a lot of people won't, and that a more obese population is the result. I'm not here dictating how people should behave or what size of portions restaurants should serve. I'm just giving my opinion on factors that contribute towards obesity. My interpretation of what she said is that lack of discipline, in terms of food intake, is not exclusive to Americans really. Anyone can succumb. It's true that the US doesn't make it easy in most cities to get around by anything but car, and that the portion sizes are often insane...but if you recreate those same issues in another culture, you'll find the same results. Yep. That's it in a chopped nutshell, flying.
SpanksTheMonkey Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 When I lived in USA I was well over 300 pounds now that I have been out for over 5 years im almost half that weight why? because like some one else said the porshons and cheep prices in the states are just out of control. Plus I agree it is harder to get around in some places with out a car I don't drive so I walk every were I need to go or catch a bus and then walk. If I had stayed in the USA I think I would be dead by now you can take that any way you like but its a fact. I always find it funny and so do my friends over here that a country with one of the highest rates of obesity also seams to have the biggest problem with "fat" people in general they have said it just doesn't make sense.
Author Green Posted July 12, 2010 Author Posted July 12, 2010 Of course there's a very valid argument that people should discipline themselves and avoid finishing everything on their place... but that doesn't change the reality that a lot of people won't, and that a more obese population is the result. I'm not here dictating how people should behave or what size of portions restaurants should serve. I'm just giving my opinion on factors that contribute towards obesity. My opinion is that people are blind. I say being FAT makes it harder to date... Every one act insulted and denies it. I say "Don't Blam Fat People" I mean they don't want to fat its just that the deck is stacked against them. Then every one says Oh its easy, and no eating healthy is cheaper you just have to own a kitchen and know how to cook and avoid the big cheap portions and advertising. Look I am bombarded both on a daily basis through my own experiences and through the media telling me every one is getting fatter. These people couldn't even live with out modern science because they need insulin... and breathing devices... medication ect... But then again MODERN SCIENCE CREATED These fat people... through processed food, antibiotic CHEAP meat.... and scientificaly produced sedentary lifestyles. The combonation is to much... and I don't think blaming the individual fat people works. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. Government policy MUST change. healthy food should be cheaper... I'm not saying it should be cheap... just STOP SUBSIDISING JUNK FOOD through CORN PAID FOR BY MY TAX DOLLARS... CORN THAT IS NOT EDIBLE... used soley to make sugar substitutes and animal feed to bring down price of meat. Thats all this thread is about.
sally4sara Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Did anyone ever see this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390521/ One of the things I remember about his experiment is him talking about how the food became like a drug. Some of the crap in the worst foods you can find have an addictive quality. I watched him in an interview talking about how he'd eat the fries (potatoes (starch) soaked in sugar water then deep fried and salted). He'd get a euphoric rush upon eating the food. But then, he could feel his body weakening and a coma-like effect setting in. Zero energy; so no motivation to do a physical activity to burn off the extra calories...... It made me think of when I use to purchase those amazingly yummy Samoas Girl Scout cookies. Yeah, I read the nutritional value info on the side of the box. Yeah I saw how many calories were in a serving and that a serving was TWO cookies. It didn't keep me from polishing off the whole box. I totally identified with his description of the euphoric rush. I don't buy those evil cookies anymore.
SpanksTheMonkey Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Did anyone ever see this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390521/ One of the things I remember about his experiment is him talking about how the food became like a drug. Some of the crap in the worst foods you can find have an addictive quality. I watched him in an interview talking about how he'd eat the fries (potatoes (starch) soaked in sugar water then deep fried and salted). He'd get a euphoric rush upon eating the food. But then, he could feel his body weakening and a coma-like effect setting in. Zero energy; so no motivation to do a physical activity to burn off the extra calories...... It made me think of when I use to purchase those amazingly yummy Samoas Girl Scout cookies. Yeah, I read the nutritional value info on the side of the box. Yeah I saw how many calories were in a serving and that a serving was TWO cookies. It didn't keep me from polishing off the whole box. I totally identified with his description of the euphoric rush. I don't buy those evil cookies anymore. Agreed its a addiction for some and to fuel that addiction with super cheep super sized sh*t food is no different then putting a alcoholic in a shop full of 2 buck bottles of jack Danielles. Or a chain smoker in a room full of 99cent packs of smokes! The only reason the overweight people catch so much more slack for there shortcomings is because it shows so much more! If you don't believe me compare the amount of "fat" person threads to the amount of "smoker" threads and see for yourself same for the "health issues".
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