Don't Blame Fat People

[threebyfate]

yesterday was atypical in that I was driving cross country and just didn't have any apatite.

 

Today . . . dinner was beef stroganoff, lunch was can't remember, breakfast was jelly toast.

 

I don't drink alcohol but maybe once or twice a month, and any soda or coolaid is zero calorie.

Assuming you had two cups of beef stroganoff for dinner, this equals over 800 calories if you're using lean beef.

 

You might want to start counting calories. What's recommended for most people who want to lose weight, is approximately 1200 calories a day, adjusted plus/minus reliant on size.

 

As for Koolaid, it's zero calories until you add the massive amounts of sugar necessary to make it taste even halfway decent, unless you're using the sugarless type. But artificial sweeteners can also increase weight gain. Better to toss out the soda and other drinks and drink water. It's so much better for you, even if you have to boil or filter it.

[Tayla]

Some folks are overweight ....

 

..........with egos...

[Art_Critic]

bite your tongue

 

No kidding Alpha..

There are some weeks I live at McDonald's because of the cheap fast food...

[kalikula]

brainygirl-

 

If you eat less than 1200 calories you are most likely putting your body into starvation mode so it stores the little food that you do give it as fat... I know you say you're not starving yourself, but if you're eating so little your body most likely thinks that you are.

 

Although I agree genetics make it harder for some people than others to lose weight, for sure...

[BobSacamento]

I fail to see how McDonald's using Gov't subsidies is a bad thing. Where are ex-cons going to work anyway? It would be nice if you could shed some light on the subsidies they are using.

 

I think what it really boils down to is restraint. Is it the Gov't job to monitor the restraint of people? It sounds like you are heading down the road of a "Fat Tax".

[zengirl]

Ah that may be why brainy. I think you might be slowing your metabolism down with this erratic meal pattern. Don't forget if you drastically cut calories you will trigger the starvation response in your body and will cling on to fat out of evolutionary habit.

 

And I've seen you before during our avatar reveal thread, and you don't look nearly as bad as you made yourself out to be.

 

Shockingly, MrNate, I was going to say the same thing.

 

Really, the worst thing women do to their bodies (Some men might know it too but almost ALL the women I know do it) is use erratic meal patterns to lose weight. Calories should be cut gradually, and there are any number of ways to go about keeping your body thinking it's got plenty of food coming, so it can go about losing fat, but going below 1000 calories in a day, unless you're genuinely sick or can't help it for some reason, is a surefire way to start to slow down your metabolism. . . your best friend or worst enemy when it comes to weight lost.

 

I've eaten some crap in my life, but my mother was very big on metabolism. We have a naturally good one, but she also is a nutritionist with a metabolic science/physiology background, and she has always told me: If you must do anything for weight loss, at least keep your metabolism in order! That means not starving yourself, ever.

[zengirl]

I fail to see how McDonald's using Gov't subsidies is a bad thing. Where are ex-cons going to work anyway? It would be nice if you could shed some light on the subsidies they are using.

 

I think what it really boils down to is restraint. Is it the Gov't job to monitor the restraint of people? It sounds like you are heading down the road of a "Fat Tax".

 

Well: Why not subsidize healthier food instead of McDonalds? Assuming we're going to subsidize something and it'll cost the same. I mean, if we could subsidize alcohol or healthcare for the same price, and we were going to subsidize one of them, regardless of what the "personal responsibility" people think, which should we subsidize? They both create jobs. They both make something cheaper.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

I don't care what overweight people are telling themselves or trying to convince others we DO have a tendency to over eat perhaps we ourselves have become so use to this behavior that we don't clearly see it I don't know.

 

Of course when some one else tries to point it out we instinctively hit "defense" mode im an overweight person who is honest enough with myself to say im not going into McDonalds for the "salad" And if I am im prob going to add in a cheese burger.

 

Im not saying over weight people deserve any less respect or love then thin people but we need to be honest with ourselves if no one else. Other wise we are destine to repeat the same pattern over and over again.

 

Im going to try and start doing more for myself to lose some more even tho ive lost a good amount since ive moved over here its going to be hard because of my disability's but I have to try..

[BobSacamento]

Well: Why not subsidize healthier food instead of McDonalds? Assuming we're going to subsidize something and it'll cost the same. I mean, if we could subsidize alcohol or healthcare for the same price, and we were going to subsidize one of them, regardless of what the "personal responsibility" people think, which should we subsidize? They both create jobs. They both make something cheaper.

 

I would assume those healthier places probably already are utilizing Gov't subsidies. My guess is their not in the same price range because of quality and bad management. Don't underestimate McDonalds management. They have the company so streamlined it's unbelievable. Same goes for WalMart.

 

We should be using Gov't subsidies to promote career ladders as well. Pour more money into that. Careers like nursing and green tech. Rather than wasting most of the money on low wage dead end careers like fast food restaurants and retail.

[zengirl]

I would assume those healthier places probably already are utilizing Gov't subsidies. My guess is their not in the same price range because of quality and bad management. Don't underestimate McDonalds management. They have the company so streamlined it's unbelievable. Same goes for WalMart.

 

We should be using Gov't subsidies to promote career ladders as well. Pour more money into that. Careers like nursing and green tech. Rather than wasting most of the money on low wage dead end careers like fast food restaurants and retail.

 

It's not McDonalds getting the subsidies directly. It's the corn grown with them, for the most part. Corn is one of the least healthy grains on the planet. (I'm not saying corn is bad for you, on its own, but what we do with it is; and nutrition-wise, it's a poorer vegetable than many.) We could subsidize other grains and foods, but the corn lobby is quite expansive. It's the same thing with ethanol, which is a waste but persists. . . Ah, corn.

 

What farmers grow is directed a lot by government policies. It's kind of interesting and way too complex to recap here. And I only know the tippy top of the iceberg anyway.

[D-Lish]

I googled Size 10 because as a man I don't understand women's sizes.

 

http://www.designerpitstop.co.uk/images/New%20Product%20Women/A-103-lrg.jpg

 

That's a UK size 10, really skinny. I can't find a good picture representing a size 10 here in the US.

 

 

Meh, sizing isn't universal- saying you're a size "10" doesn't mean much because all clothing manufacturers don't grade their designs the same.

 

I can wear anything from an xxs to medium depending on where I am shopping. I can be anything from a 2 to a 6 at H&M.

[alphamale]

No kidding Alpha..

There are some weeks I live at McDonald's because of the cheap fast food...

indeed, show me somewhere else where one can get a high-energy satisfying meal for $5.00

[D-Lish]

indeed, show me somewhere else where one can get a high-energy satisfying meal for $5.00

 

I ate an A&W burger last week - the first fast-food burger I've had in ages. I came close to crapping my pants within about an hour:eek::D.

Good thing it gave me a bit of energy, because I had to sprint to the bathroom:lmao:.

[silktricks]

Botanically speaking, corn is a grass. Do you mean alfalfa?

 

Corn is a grass - but they don't feed the stalks to cattle. The feed the corn - which is a grain. Cattle should be eating grass, not grain. Their stomachs aren't suited to grain.

 

People who eat beef (like myself) should eat grass-fed beef. It's much healthier for us. But it takes a lot of land, which is expensive. In an effort to make the most money (and keep beef relatively inexpensive) beef is now (for the most part) raised in feed lots - much less expensive, much less healthy.

 

Instead of eating beef raised on what keeps it healthy, we eat beef that's pumped full of anti-biotics (to keep it alive), hormones (to make it grow fast and big) and other animals and grain (to give it cheap calories). Cheaper to raise - less flavor and much much less healthy. All those antibiotics and hormones go into US. Making us unhealthy and weirdly shaped...

[alphamale]

Instead of eating beef raised on what keeps it healthy, we eat beef that's pumped full of anti-biotics (to keep it alive), hormones (to make it grow fast and big) and other animals and grain (to give it cheap calories). Cheaper to raise - less flavor and much much less healthy. All those antibiotics and hormones go into US. Making us unhealthy and weirdly shaped...

yea but that 2 inch thick NY strip still tastes delicious when cooked properly on the grill

[Enchanted Girl]

Corn is a grass - but they don't feed the stalks to cattle. The feed the corn - which is a grain. Cattle should be eating grass, not grain. Their stomachs aren't suited to grain.

 

People who eat beef (like myself) should eat grass-fed beef. It's much healthier for us. But it takes a lot of land, which is expensive. In an effort to make the most money (and keep beef relatively inexpensive) beef is now (for the most part) raised in feed lots - much less expensive, much less healthy.

 

Instead of eating beef raised on what keeps it healthy, we eat beef that's pumped full of anti-biotics (to keep it alive), hormones (to make it grow fast and big) and other animals and grain (to give it cheap calories). Cheaper to raise - less flavor and much much less healthy. All those antibiotics and hormones go into US. Making us unhealthy and weirdly shaped...

 

You do realize that you can just buy organic beef yourself and not make the rest of us pay extra money for food. I never like people whose plans for the world is to force us all to spend more. Are you rich, perhaps? Is that why you can't relate to those who are barely making it and can't afford expensive food? Why force everyone to do the same? It's an option that's open to everyone if they are willing to pay the extra money.

[alphamale]

You do realize that you can just buy organic beef yourself and not make the rest of us pay extra money for food. I never like people whose plans for the world is to force us all to spend more. Are you rich, perhaps? Is that why you can't relate to those who are barely making it and can't afford expensive food? Why force everyone to do the same? It's an option that's open to everyone if they are willing to pay the extra money.

studies have shown that there is little if no difference between organic food and regularly produced food. its basically a scam

[Crazy Magnet]

Choosing to eat healthy isn't easy, and that's coming from a skinny gal. I'm an XS/0 no matter where I go. I've just always managed to maintain the living style I was raised with. I park in the back of parking lots for the extra walking, take the stairs at work (it usually ends up going up and down 5 flights about 10 times), and generally walk whenever and however I can.

 

I grew up eating home grown veggies and meat from local farms where we knew what went into the cow. Granted I fell off the bandwagon for a few years but I'm back on it now. All organic food, no antibiotics, veggies and fruit, lots of whole grains, etc. I drink juice or milk or water.

 

Is it my favorite? No, not really. Sometimes I really want to eat Cheetos, so I do. But I find the longer I go living like this and exercising like this, the more I crave the food and the exercise. For me, it's about making the conscious choice to eat the right thing every time and get that exercise in everyday. I have to *make* myself do it at first, but in the end I feel awesome and it's totally worth it!

 

I try to get my BF on the bandwagon b/c he eats junk, but it's a sloooooooooooow process. lol

[Enchanted Girl]

studies have shown that there is little if no difference between organic food and regularly produced food. its basically a scam

 

He said that all these injections of hormones and feeding of corn and things making the product not only more unhealthy, but taste inferior.

 

If the difference in cost is minimal, then why did they start doing this at all?

[silktricks]

I do a good deal of my shopping at the local farmers markets here in town. The fresh eggs, produce, etc. are super cheap compared to the grocery store and they taste much, much better. Unfortunately, you don't see obese poor people shopping at the farmers market where you can get multiple bags of food for under ten dollars - you see them waddling around at Wal Mart buying 'tastier' junk food. At this point, where I live - it is no longer a forced economical choice to buy unhealthy food because this is a very agricultural area. It is a choice based on how much better starch, fat and chemicals taste to people. Me? I scrape by, and I shop at the farmers market down the road from my house because it is really cheap, and because it is really good.

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Though I know that in some areas farmer's mkts are much less expensive than supermkts, where I live they are much MORE expensive.

 

It can be pricey to eat right, but it's well worth it. Less weight is the least of it, frankly. Overweight does not necessarily mean unhealthy, but FAT does. Even thin people who eat poorly (meaning unhealthy) will suffer in the long run. Everything from allergies to diabetes to rheumatism is made worse by eating poorly

[silktricks]

studies have shown that there is little if no difference between organic food and regularly produced food. its basically a scam

Who paid for the studies and what did they study?

[alphamale]

Who paid for the studies and what did they study?

i don't know, i just saw the reports on TV

[D-Lish]

Choosing to eat healthy isn't easy, and that's coming from a skinny gal. I'm an XS/0 no matter where I go. I've just always managed to maintain the living style I was raised with. I park in the back of parking lots for the extra walking, take the stairs at work (it usually ends up going up and down 5 flights about 10 times), and generally walk whenever and however I can.

 

I grew up eating home grown veggies and meat from local farms where we knew what went into the cow. Granted I fell off the bandwagon for a few years but I'm back on it now. All organic food, no antibiotics, veggies and fruit, lots of whole grains, etc. I drink juice or milk or water.

 

Is it my favorite? No, not really. Sometimes I really want to eat Cheetos, so I do. But I find the longer I go living like this and exercising like this, the more I crave the food and the exercise. For me, it's about making the conscious choice to eat the right thing every time and get that exercise in everyday. I have to *make* myself do it at first, but in the end I feel awesome and it's totally worth it!

 

I try to get my BF on the bandwagon b/c he eats junk, but it's a sloooooooooooow process. lol

 

I struggle to stay thin every single day. It's a constant struggle, but I work at it daily.

 

I have a personal guideline- I won't go over 130lbs. I'll adjust my diet and exercise accordingly if I get close to that weight.

 

I did struggle with being a little chubby when I was a teen, and when I got married, I went up to 160lbs:o. That was a wake-up call for me. I lost more than 50lbs during my divorce, and I told myself that I would never let that happen ever again.

 

I know how hard it is to resist temptation- food is freakin' awesome!

 

Overweight people don't want to be overweight- I get that... But If I am working my ass off to stay thin and healthy, I want a partner that has the same dedication to their own body. I don't think that's shallow to have that expectation of the person I date.

[silktricks]

yea but that 2 inch thick NY strip still tastes delicious when cooked properly on the grill

 

mmmm yeah, it do. But it tastes much MORE if it's been fed grass rather than corn. Unfortunately, most of us have become accustomed to grain fed (and fattened) beef, so the flavor of grass-fed now tastes too much - and a lot of people don't like the flavor, because it's not what they've become accustomed to eat.

[silktricks]

You do realize that you can just buy organic beef yourself and not make the rest of us pay extra money for food. I never like people whose plans for the world is to force us all to spend more. Are you rich, perhaps? Is that why you can't relate to those who are barely making it and can't afford expensive food? Why force everyone to do the same? It's an option that's open to everyone if they are willing to pay the extra money.

 

You do realize that I never said a word about forcing anyone to do anything, don't you? I'm absolutely completely 100% against forcing anyone to do anything that's supposedly "for their own good". We all make our own choices - fortunately, this country does still allow us to make a few of them...

 

I'm not rich, and I/we do purchase grass-fed beef ourselves. I can absolutely relate to not having a lot of money. Most of my life I didn't have a lot, and the economy, though it didn't put us in the poor house, certainly did impact us. Still we consider our health worth spending a little extra in some areas.

 

Also, we are fortunate in that we do have a little room for a little garden, so we grow some of our vegetables ourselves. Also, I know how to can food plus we have a freezer, so when we come across something particularly cheap, we'll buy it in bulk and I'll either can it, or we'll freeze it.