I have had ENOUGH!

[a4a]

Has anyone here had a person they care about die from a weight related disease?

 

Has anyone here had a parent or spouse that could not or cannot participate in family activities because of weight?

 

It is not all about looks.

[Buttaflyy]

See that is perhaps the way you see it. I see a large person and I don't think

"you ugly fat ass, call Jenny"

 

I am thinking: wow those kids of theirs won't have a mom or dad around as they probably have mulitple weight related medical problems, must be a burden to the family. Most likely if disabled because of obesity are collecting a govt. check or disability, are not being as productive at work or possibly limited as a wage earner....... it is a disability in so many ways.

 

Of course just because you are disabled doesn't mean you are not productive but if it is a disability by choice or you ignore the cure......... well I just cannot feel the same way I would about a person disabled because of an accident (vs. a lifestyle choice).

 

It is not about looks......... and come on there are people bed bound because of their eating........and who the hell brings them the food then?

 

Yes, A4a, this is pretty much the way I see it even. I see someone overweight with their kids, sometimes the kids are overweight as well and I think along the same lines. But still, this is a personal problem, one that is an addiction, and the harsh name calling, etc., is only a way of putting down a certain group of people. Is it really my business if someone chooses to eat McDonalds and they weigh over 200lbs? Should McDonald's not serve them? People can live how they choose.

[a4a]

Yes, A4a, this is pretty much the way I see it even. I see someone overweight with their kids, sometimes the kids are overweight as well and I think along the same lines. But still, this is a personal problem, one that is an addiction, and the harsh name calling, etc., is only a way of putting down a certain group of people. Is it really my business if someone chooses to eat McDonalds and they weigh over 200lbs? Should McDonald's not serve them? People can live how they choose.

 

 

well a barkeep can get in legal trouble for over serving a drinker

 

But these people that choose how they want to live are effecting their family, spouse, and even you and I with higher medical costs, insurance, and the cost for businesses to cater to them. We all pay...... just like for smokers that is why they usually have higher insurance rates........XXL clothing now costs more.....because it takes more material. Heavier person needs larger doses of meds,,,,,,,,,,,, the list can go on and on.

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with expressing to someone that they need or should attempt to lose weight, just as you may try to attempt to tell a person to quit smoking or quit doing drugs.

 

And not only that yes the children often end up obese themselves...... what would happen if a parent gave crack to their kids?....... not the same but in a way it is.

[Buttaflyy]

well a barkeep can get in legal trouble for over serving a drinker

 

Because the over drinker may kill someone, they should.

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with expressing to someone that they need or should attempt to lose weight, just as you may try to attempt to tell a person to quit smoking or quit doing drugs.

I don't either. Especially to your loved one. To a stranger, it's not my business. It's always the way you do things. If you come off to anyone in the manner that PA suggested in her OP, you'd be dead wrong, insulting, and have accomplished nothing.

 

And not only that yes the children often end up obese themselves...... what would happen if a parent gave crack to their kids?....... not the same but in a way it is.

Thank goodness kids are being educated about nutrition these days.

[blind_otter]

And not only that yes the children often end up obese themselves...... what would happen if a parent gave crack to their kids?....... not the same but in a way it is.

 

I sawon MSN today that they are calling today's generation of fat kids "generation XXL".

 

It's sad, but also kind of funny....

[bluechocolate]

I sawon MSN today that they are calling today's generation of fat kids "generation XXL".

Love it!

[burning 4 revenge]

That puts the attitude of LA and Palm Beach to shame! (My apologies to the LA and Palm Beach folks)

Don't worry about it

[Pink Amulet]

*decides to not care whether my children's children die 20 years earlier or not*

 

Hey, it's better than having my personality, appearance, and profession ripped apart on an online forum

[blind_otter]

*decides to not care whether my children's children die 20 years earlier or not*

 

Hey, it's better than having my personality, appearance, and profession ripped apart on an online forum

 

Not ripped apart - sat on until you suffocated, maybe.

[Pink Amulet]

And maybe if half the people on here got their way, I would have cheeseburgers, and fries shoved down my throat too

[Guest]

And maybe if half the people on here got their way, I would have cheeseburgers, and fries shoved down my throat too

 

It isn't about YOU having a burger or not. It's about you worrying about who does and taking offense when someone calls you on it.

[Ripples]

No just a little less narcissism and little more humility.

[Buttaflyy]

And maybe if half the people on here got their way, I would have cheeseburgers, and fries shoved down my throat too

 

I wouldn't want you to if you choose not to. In fact, I don't care much about what any stranger eats.

[Pink Amulet]

I don't either but I do care if we make it socially acceptable to kill ourselves slowly with foods soaking in sugar, salt, and saturated fat.

 

Just like I would care if we decriminalised heroin use and it became okay to watch people shoot up on sidewalks.

 

If something is proven to kill us, why are their still people not only ignoring it, but advocating it, and defending it.

[Pink Amulet]

I don't care if you attack me (it only refelects badly on you) but don't defend a principle which is detrimental to the lives of our children.

[josie54]

Hey, it's better than having my personality, appearance, and profession ripped apart on an online forum

 

 

I wouldn't say calling you "young, blond, slim, and beautiful" is exactly ripping apart your appearance!

 

Oh, if only my appearance would be so insulted! I wouldn't know what to do with myself. The best I've ever done is "cute."

[a4a]

I wouldn't want you to if you choose not to. In fact, I don't care much about what any stranger eats.

 

I could give a rip if a stranger drops dead from a cheeseburger OD either but I do care when it start to cost me more money in taxes to pay for their healthcare, or costs me more money because of insurance and medical care hikes. Then I do care if I am paying for any addicts personal lifestyle choice.

[Art_Critic]

*decides to not care whether my children's children die 20 years earlier or not*

 

 

PA.. you are 20 years old and have never had any kids..

 

My best friend that I have known since high school was thin as a rail her whole life.

She got married and had 3 kids.. after the 3rd kid she ballooned up in weight to about 230 lbs.

 

Her days of being rail thin (105lbs) were now gone..

She now forever diets and eats nothing..

She has gotten her weight down to about 150lbs but she now has a weight problem that wasn't caused by overeating but is controled by dieting

 

I do believe that you might think differently about this issue if you actually had a weight problem.

In your future after squirting out a few kids you may have a weight problem too..and how would you feel if someone approched you while your were eating just to tell you that you are killing generations of people with your obesity ?

 

HUMILTY can be a tough pill to swallow at times.

[Buttaflyy]

I don't care if you attack me (it only refelects badly on you) but don't defend a principle which is detrimental to the lives of our children.

 

It's not about attacking you PA. I'm not an advocate of that, but I think that you were harsh in your post and can't see that it would help anyone who suffers from a weight problem.

 

Also, I don't see that the effects of bad nutrition is being advocated or ignored, but that today people are more aware. JMO though, from what I've noticed such as the programs in schools and the media constantly publicising this issue.

[Buttaflyy]

I could give a rip if a stranger drops dead from a cheeseburger OD either but I do care when it start to cost me more money in taxes to pay for their healthcare, or costs me more money because of insurance and medical care hikes. Then I do care if I am paying for any addicts personal lifestyle choice.

 

And saying "drop the burger you fat F*ck does what?? Snarling at someone because of their meal choice does what? What besides this can be done about it?

[Pink Amulet]

I do see your point, and I certainly didn't want this debate to become personal.

 

I never said "these figures are of concern to me- what do you think of me as a person for bringing up the issue of obesity?"

 

But now that you have mentioned it there is over 75% chance I can never have children f*cking cancer.

 

My whole life revolves around fitness, so do the lives of my family (and no one in my family is overweight) but we are all very fit, so who knows what we might genetically be like if we were to slow down.

[Great Gazoo]

I sawon MSN today that they are calling today's generation of fat kids "generation XXL".

 

It's sad, but also kind of funny....

 

 

Its just plain sad. These teens will continue the pattern of being obese. I think alot of this comes down to all the processed foods. They are making things worse but then again maybe this falls into parenting. There was a new study out that no one has followed up on that I know of with animal trials. The therory was

 

The obesity epidemic is caused by a "poisoned" food supply that is altering people's biochemistry and driving them to eat more and move less, according to a hypothesis proposed by a UCSF doctor who culled results from thousands of studies on obesity.

 

It is unfair and unhelpful to blame personal behaviors, especially a lack of self-control, for the country's rising obesity rates, says Dr. Robert Lustig, a pediatrician and nationally renowned obesity expert

 

The processed food that is most readily available to Americans -- from potato chips and cookies to yogurt and white bread -- is loaded with sugars that cause the body to believe that it is hungry, which makes people feel compelled to consume more calories and conserve energy, he said. Sugar makes the body produce more insulin, which blocks hormones that would normally tell the brain to stop eating, he said.

[Pink Amulet]

And saying "drop the burger you fat F*ck does what?? Snarling at someone because of their meal choice does what? What besides this can be done about it?

 

As pointed out by a few people on the first, second, seventh, ninth, and tenth pages- that was a hypothetical example. Harsh words to make a point.

 

Not making it socially acceptable for these fast food chains to pump us with genetically modifed, high fat foods might help?

[Art_Critic]

there is over 75% chance I can never have children f*cking cancer.

 

I'm sorry ....

 

But don't let that deter you from becoming a Mom.. Step parent or adopting is always and option..

I know off topic.. but...

[dgiirl]

Is it really my business if someone chooses to eat McDonalds and they weigh over 200lbs?

 

Actually, I disagree that overweight people only harm themselves. Just like smoking, they are a strain on society. They are a strain on health costs. A lot of hospitals cannot accommodate a large person and thus need to buy new equipment, or travel long distances to bring the person to a hospital that can accomodate them. They are a strain on disability insurance and a lot of them collect some kind of worker's compensation. They dont work, and meanwhile, I have to pay for them. And business are now needing to make changes to accomodate them. They get upset with airlines because they need to buy two seats. Two seats that USE to accomodate people with no problems in the past and now they complain about being discriminated. And I'm sorry to say this, but as a normal size person who CAN sit in this seat comfortably, it does intrude on my personal space when a larger person sits next to me who cannot fit into the seat properly. Overweight people do not just harm themselves. They harm society as a whole.

 

Everyone's on PA's ass because she used some harsh language. But the harsh language was to illustrate a point that people have no problem speaking that way to smokers, but it's too anti-pc to say that to a fat person. I dont condone the harsh language in any situation. It's not right to talk to a smoker that way either. But at the same time, fat people should not be treated special because of their weight. If it hurts your feelings, then do something about it. If you are depressed, then do something about it. And I'm not talking about someone who's simply 10 or 20 lbs overweight. I'm talking about people who are 300lbs who cannot move. You do NOT get that way overnight. And at a certain point, you have to realize that what you are doing needs to stop. It doesnt take a brain surgeron to realize that one should exercise and not eat donuts all day. It's basic math. You dont eat more than what you are burning off.