xxoo Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I've been out here for 7 months where very few women wear makeup...I guess I've been desensitized from it...when you're used to seeing little to no makeup, and you've been deprived for so long, no makeup starts looking alright to you... Her bottom half is what I find least appealing. I think a lot of guys would LOVE her bottom half. And that is why attraction is subjective. I'm much thinner than her. My tummy is flat. Plenty of men would prefer her body type over mine (although plenty like mine). We aren't stamped out by a cookie cutter--thank goodness! 3 Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 that's always my argument for including personality in attraction. people argue it's all about looks but you know the way a person moves or when they open their mouth straight away pretty much I think Right...but I think it's a cop out from telling someone they're not physically attractive...or cutting someone down for being physically attractive... Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Right...but I think it's a cop out from telling someone they're not physically attractive...or cutting someone down for being physically attractive... I don't know. I never had a problem associating personality with attraction in real life. I do have this problem online as it seems to make OLD impossible for me but I don't feel bad for thinking an average looking guy is hot because he has a cheeky look or a good looking guy is a massive turn-off because he is a complete tosser Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I think a lot of guys would LOVE her bottom half. And that is why attraction is subjective. I'm much thinner than her. My tummy is flat. Plenty of men would prefer her body type over mine (although plenty like mine). We aren't stamped out by a cookie cutter--thank goodness! Oh, absolutely. She has a very feminine body shape. I recently learned that I prefer more masculine female body types (small breasts, small frame, no "curves", no ass, etc.). So yes, I absolutely agree, to each his own; and luckily there are many types out there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Perhaps, but when rating strictly physical attractiveness, you can still rate it independently of personality... When looking at women for the purposes of a dating relationship I can't separate the 2, they are one. You can't just date the body, even though many try or have tried.. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Oh, absolutely. She has a very feminine body shape. I recently learned that I prefer more masculine female body types (small breasts, small frame, no "curves", no ass, etc.). So yes, I absolutely agree, to each his own; and luckily there are many types out there. Right. So your low rating of her says more about your preferences (nothing wrong with them--sounds sort of like my shape) than her attractiveness. She's legitimately beautiful, even if you don't see it. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 When looking at women for the purposes of a dating relationship I can't separate the 2, they are one. You can't just date the body, even though many try or have tried.. I'm the same. Life would be so much easier otherwise Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 When looking at women for the purposes of a dating relationship I can't separate the 2, they are one. You can't just date the body, even though many try or have tried.. I understand. But what about when you are looking at women for the purposes of only assessing their physical attractiveness...? Then personality has no bearing. I do not plan on dating the woman in the site OP linked, so I can safely "rate" her based on physical appearance alone. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Regarding the thread title, I always cringe at the implication that thin women with fewer curves aren't "real" women. My small body grew, birthed, and fed big, strapping babies. I am 100% woman, even if I don't have big curves. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I do not plan on dating the woman in the site OP linked, so I can safely "rate" her based on physical appearance alone. Why would you 'plan' to date only a certain type? Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Right. So your low rating of her says more about your preferences (nothing wrong with them--sounds sort of like my shape) than her attractiveness. She's legitimately beautiful, even if you don't see it. Likewise, your higher rating of her says more about your preferences than her attractiveness, doesn't it...? Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Why would you 'plan' to date only a certain type? I am only pointing out that you can "rate" a person's physical attractiveness without having the intent of dating her. Art said that he needs both personality and physical appearance in rating a woman for dating. I'm saying you can also rate a woman without purpose of dateworthiness, which would negate the need to consider personality... Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I am only pointing out that you can "rate" a person's physical attractiveness without having the intent of dating her. Art said that he needs both personality and physical appearance in rating a woman for dating. I'm saying you can also rate a woman without purpose of dateworthiness, which would negate the need to consider personality... I see your point but you know I don't think I can. Anyone I don't want to date I see as 'I don't want to date'. Not because of some PC thing believe me, I suppose I see that they are seen objectively as 'good looking' I can certainly see when someone is very asymmetrical, etc but if I don't find someone attractive, I struggle to rate their level of unattractiveness in a rating system. Example: on OKC there is a star rating system for attractiveness. I'll read 90% of profiles before I rating but I only give 3* (I don't want them to get notified that I've rated their profile) or 5* (I want them to get notified that I rated their profile and that it's favourable). I'd struggle to use the full range 1* - 5* I don't know whether it's unusual but it's the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Likewise, your higher rating of her says more about your preferences than her attractiveness, doesn't it...? I didn't rate her at all. I can recognize beauty, whether it is or is not my personal preference. Link to post Share on other sites
USMCHokie Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I didn't rate her at all. I can recognize beauty, whether it is or is not my personal preference. Are you the definitive source...? Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Are you the definitive source...? We all are. If you see beauty where I do not, does that mean the beauty you saw was not real? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Mentally? She's basically perfect. Physically? It's only a matter of time before I lose all desire for sex. I'm sure she will find someone worth her effort but I can't do it. I just don't get this because I think she is really pretty and sexy. When I saw the pictures of her I thought she probably had a body ABOVE most women. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 What was wrong with that thread, i thought that the guys who posted were [generally] pretty honest about it. I think that's the problem. Not the honesty, what the honest reflects are men's mentalities about women's bodies. That's great that the guys were honest. But that doesn't mean that's where the discussion ends. It looks like a lot of women believe that their opinions are still a bit unrealistic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Very much so. Ah, true. But aren't women all about dating for "personality"...? So when you have some busted ass guys with "great personalities" dating physically attractive women, it just encourages the idea that men don't have to take care of themselves or be accountable for their appearance. Why don't women just raise their standards of physical appearance? That seems like a suitable solution... So bascially you think women should be more shallow with hither physical expectations just like men.... and that solves what again? It's a suitable solution to you because it doesn't require men to learn and grow themselves. Just make women do everything right? I am so sick and tired of advice that men give about all the ways women can bend, change and flex while men can sit back drinking beer and judging women's bodies left and right. You even said before that men infact don't have realisitic expectations. How about men wake up? Do men want to be products of media conditioning, video games, pornography and the likes of that? Maybe men should step away from male centric media that pre-defines unrealistic expectations of women's bodies? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I find it quite a curious phenomenon that most of the guys here who are making disparaging comments about her body, are the ones who constantly post about how dating is so hard and how they can never get a gf. Coincidence, perhaps? No? At any rate, this thread, like many of its predecessors, is quickly being turned into a mini HotOrNot comment thread by our dear LS bachelors. That's really quite counterproductive, no, especially given the spirit in which the writer of the blog is putting her pictures up and the theme of the article? It reminds me of the time a young (and fairly attractive) woman showed up almost nude in a protest with the words 'Still not asking for it' written on her body, and 90% of the comments by males on her blog was a criticism of her body, completely missing the point of the message. Can't we keep threads about female body image issues on topic for once, rather than turning it into the usual critique thread? There are plenty of threads, on LS and elsewhere, by women actually asking guys to rate them. Why not go there? 9 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Can't we keep threads about female body image issues on topic for once, rather than turning it into the usual critique thread? There are plenty of threads, on LS and elsewhere, by women actually asking guys to rate them. Why not go there? I think they are just young Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I think they are just young I think most of them are in their late 20s early 30s? Or am I wrong? Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I think they are just young Maturity doesn't seem to correlate directly with age in this case, I think. Some of the guys posting here are really not young enough to be using that as an excuse anymore. 7 Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I think most of them are in their late 20s early 30s? Or am I wrong? I think most commented that way are in their 20s Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I don't think it is any coincidence that the men who have trouble dating find this normal, healthy woman lacking in attractiveness. Really, it's their loss. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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