Hey, guys! Want to see a REAL woman???

[fortyninethousand322]

I think men should be expected to

-have six pack abs and good muscle at all points during their life. How they look when they are in their early 20's should be expected as they become older. I dont want to hear about their work schedules and their kids- they are just lazy otherwise.

-I think they should be expected to get hair plugs when their hair starts to fall out

-that they should all go on Viagra as they get older

-I wish the current media would get rid of the ugly but funny/nice guys and instead have very hunky guys everywhere with the ugly guys being ostracized

-I wish when they become uglier, their wives show less interest and respectful behavior towards them and then just respond "oh well, Im just being a girl its evolution"

This is really the only to get through the feeble brains of men on what it is like to be a woman.

 

We've all got problems. Nobody is living on easy street, with streets paved in gold.

[pbjbear]

The pressure on men comes in a different way based on what women find desirable and valuable in a man, and it has much less to do with looks...

 

With more women working, that pressure is going away.

I have 3 male friends that repeatedly turn away women that do not make as much money as them. Perhaps its my geographic area, but most of the men around me want a woman that can support herself financially.

I would have agreed with your statement several decades ago. But no, women have more pressure today than men. A modern woman today (where I live) is expected to work full time like a man, keep up her looks and still do the majority of the domestic duties when she comes home. No wonder studies show married women today are more depressed than single women while for men the opposite is found. Most of the marriages Ive observed the woman bears the stress. I dont plan on ever getting married- it is not appealing to me all the things women are expected to do.

Edited May 1, 2013 by pbjbear

[ltjg45]

This is really the only to get through the feeble brains of men on what it is like to be a woman.

 

Do you really think males have it easier these days?

 

No wonder the majority of males that goes after women in their 20s is players who only look for sex. They don't care about you.

 

The ones that is marriage-based (who do want to respect and treat you as equals) is scared **** of women like you. What do you need a man for when you got everything he normally can provide by yourself? We barely can measure up to women these days especially independent ones. The males that has the money and status can pick what he wants from the group of women and actually gets her unless he is THAT unattractive or has absolutely no personality. Since males value looks higher than women on average, it is not surprising that he would aim to "upgrade" from one woman to the next.

 

I guess this is why we are seeing more happily single people, especially on the lower income level, out there these days. If I can't measure up to a decent woman's demands, what is the point of dating?

[somedude81]

It's not just men who are criticizing women's bodies.

[pbjbear]

Do you really think males have it easier these days?

 

No wonder the majority of males that goes after women in their 20s is players who only look for sex. They don't care about you.

 

The ones that is marriage-based (who do want to respect and treat you as equals) is scared **** of women like you. What do you need a man for when you got everything he normally can provide by yourself? We barely can measure up to women these days especially independent ones. The males that has the money and status can pick what he wants from the group of women and actually gets her unless he is THAT unattractive or has absolutely no personality. Since males value looks higher than women on average, it is not surprising that he would aim to "upgrade" from one woman to the next.

 

I guess this is why we are seeing more happily single people, especially on the lower income level, out there these days. If I can't measure up to a decent woman's demands, what is the point of dating?

 

You are right. They dont care about us. They care about their egos. I would never want to be in a relationship with someone who needed me, but wanted me. The first is bred out of insecurity the second is bred out of love.

 

This is just my opinion ltg, but you seem like a nice guy who is insecure. Lucky for you, women are not as focused on looks as you are, so your looks shouldnt hold you back. I get you on the job though...I dont like to date while unemployed either. However, most of the women I observe in relationships dont have S.O's that make a crapload of money.

 

Yes, women criticize other women's bodies. Why? Because our worth is our LOOKS. Thats why a woman's looks is the highest thing criticized. Thats why when men criticize each other, it is usually their job...same thing.

[somedude81]

This is just my opinion ltg, but you seem like a nice guy who is insecure. Lucky for you, women are not as focused on looks as you are, so your looks shouldnt hold you back.

Ha! Try telling that to men who aren't the typically accepted standard of attractive and who do horribly with women.

 

Yes, women criticize other women's bodies. Why? Because our worth is our LOOKS. Thats why a woman's looks is the highest thing criticized. Thats why when men criticize each other, it is usually their job...same thing.

"Because our worth is our LOOKS." That doesn't explain why women criticize each other. Did you look over the article I linked?

[Mr Scorpio]

Could it be that some people actually think it's normal and acceptable for people to interpret 'reality' and 'normality' as what appears on their TV screens; because they do it with media images of women, they expect women to do the same with media-propagated ideals of men and lifestyles?

 

That sounds plausible. I'd suppose it may be a combination of that, plus the notion of improving oneself in order to reach a higher "league". If a young man grows up with the idea that handsome, successful men should have a supermodel on their hip, then that is what he is going to expect.

 

There is a recent thread in another forum with a male poster lamenting the lack of women dating him despite his muscles. That is probably a fine example of the above.

[Mr Scorpio]

A modern woman today (where I live) is expected to work full time like a man, keep up her looks and still do the majority of the domestic duties when she comes home.

 

Says who? Seriously, I'm not trying to be snarky. I've known women who said "to hell with that cosmopolitian expects of me!". It may be difficult to cast aside that expectation, but couldn't doing so make for happier and healthier women?

 

If Cosmo, Redbook, Modern Bride, etc are all propogating this message, it seems women would do well to quit exposing themselves to that media.

[fortyninethousand322]

This reminds me of an interesting nugget in old LS threads that I'd never been able to figure out - why a few of the male posters seem to have a grudge against SATC to the degree that I'd never imagined anyone could possibly have against a fictional TV series (which wasn't even all that well made).

 

Could it be that some people actually think it's normal and acceptable for people to interpret 'reality' and 'normality' as what appears on their TV screens; because they do it with media images of women, they expect women to do the same with media-propagated ideals of men and lifestyles?

 

That would explain a lot...

 

There's a possibility there. I remember most of the movies and shows I watched growing up displayed the "normal" (or so-called "normal") guy getting an attractive girl to fall in love with him in the end. The only two exceptions I can recall are Beauty and the Beast, in which a very below average looking (though rich) guy got the girl in the end (while the handsome muscular guy fell to his death) and Snow Day in which the guy eschewed the affections of the super popular "hot" girl with whom he thought he was in love with, in favor of his more normal best friend.

 

So I guess there is some expectations groomed into people that just by being "normal" a gorgeous partner will fall into their lap. Though I can't comment on any films or shows geared towards women because I never watched those (unless we're counting Beauty and the Beast ).

 

Personally, I never skewed my perceptions of life based on what I saw on TV. I just couldn't relate. I never had any peer pressure growing up for things like alcohol, drugs, sex, etc. so I just never related to the problems and situations characters in TV shows found themselves in. I just watched for purely entertainment purposes. That, and I learned pretty early that gorgeous women weren't going to fall into your lap just for being a normal guy.

[xxoo]

"Because our worth is our LOOKS." That doesn't explain why women criticize each other. Did you look over the article I linked?

 

Women criticize each other's looks out of jealousy. The men like cheerleaders and Brooklyn Decker. Women cut them down to feel better about themselves. It isn't attractive behavior.

[ltjg45]

This is just my opinion ltg, but you seem like a nice guy who is insecure.

 

I do agree with that. I'm sure I provided enough examples to back up the fact that I'm insecure.

 

As to how to change it? I wish I knew. It's not like I was told to act like this or anything of that nature.

[man_in_the_box]

I think this board could greatly benefit from having a misandry/misogyny section.

[Els]

It's not just men who are criticizing women's bodies.

 

Oh, most definitely. I don't think most of us disagree with that.

 

However the majority of people doing the unsolicited criticizing in THIS thread have been male (or claim to be ).

[Els]

I think this board could greatly benefit from having a misandry/misogyny section.

 

I suggest the title Gender Wars. :laugh:

[Mme. Chaucer]

You would kill yourself if you had to be a man in the dating world for a month. The average woman avoids rejection like the bubonic plague and the only way to find anybody as a man is to face a huge amount of rejection

 

Women have it SOOOOOO much easier than men! Thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing this out to us! We almost forgot for a second!

[Els]

Says who? Seriously, I'm not trying to be snarky. I've known women who said "to hell with that cosmopolitian expects of me!". It may be difficult to cast aside that expectation, but couldn't doing so make for happier and healthier women?

 

If Cosmo, Redbook, Modern Bride, etc are all propogating this message, it seems women would do well to quit exposing themselves to that media.

 

Also, excellent post.

 

There is little point driving oneself to live up to societal expectations to the point of becoming a bitter, jaded, and miserable shell of a person. Which sounds an awful lot like what has happened to some people.

[William]

Say Goodnight, John Boy....