Girls Harsher Critics Of The Female Body?

[AD1980]

But the reason women attack other women is because they see each other as competition for men. Women are still judged by men primarily (NOT entirely) on their looks, which means it's the first thing to be attacked. In societies where sexual purity is the top seller, it's how "slutty" or "non-virginal" a girl is that draws attacks from other girls.

 

Attacking another girl's looks is a way to gain power over her, because it decreases her value in the eyes of men, and (hopefully) increases the attractiveness of the attacker in the eyes of men.

 

Men are the prize; men are the people who give out the validations. Women attack other women's looks because that's the thing they think men value. The less women consider men the "prize," and the less they need validation from men, the less they engage in these violent girl-on-girl behaviors.

 

Think of it as the negative equivalent of two girls making out at a party for the benefit of the men in the room.

 

It is not just a competition for men thing i see more married women do it to friends who arent there its really something to watch how ruthless they get to seemingly good friends

[MrCastle]

I must say I think this thread is pretty informative and I'm happy to see some real dialogue being opened up.

 

A recent point that I wanted to speak on--this whole thing about who controls the media which places unrealistic standards on women.

 

Most female mags are run by, naturally--women. A considerable amount of fashion designers are gay. It does make sense because the body types they're pushing on us are not attractive to the majority of men. How many stick thin pornstars are household names? Most popular pornstars are either seriously stacked up top, below the waist, or both.

 

I truly do feel bad for women and those that fall into the media expectations. I saw a thread on another site where a girl asked other women "do guys like big round butts?" and most girls said "no guys don't really like butts they like skinny girls with boobs". What men are they talking about?? Are there really women out there who still believe butts/thighs are bad to have?

 

Anytime a woman says something like "I wish I could eat more junk food but then it'll go to my butt and thighs" I'm like great! Do it!

 

Obviously I'm not talking about being overweight, but you can have curves and still be healthy. Some people think you can only either be skinny, or a manatee. There is a healthy medium where you're skinny in certain areas and curvy in others.

 

One thing I've noticed about the skinny girls being promoted, is their faces are absolute gems. Mila Kunis, Jessica Alba, Heidi Klum, Kiera Knightley--all girls I love but they're all too thin for my taste body wise. But their faces more than make up for it. I think when girls see these girls being promoted, they may think "oh guys like them because they're skinny--i have to get skinny", that's not the case, it's just that their faces are so flawless, we overlook their lack of curves.

[verhrzn]

You should realize by now that, as a ( white ) male, you're responsible for everything wrong in this world.

 

Racism? Yup. War? Yes. Plate tectonics? Of course you are, silly.

 

Well.... what group had the power to declare and fight in war? Who controlled the government so slavery was legal? Who, up until the 1950's or so, controlled business, politics, the military, etc?

 

I'm.... a little confused how you can say that men did those things, but were totally not responsible for them.

[ThaWholigan]

That is a simplistic explanation. The idea of "fault" should not have a place in discussions of society. An entire gender cannot be at fault; society is built by everyone, through everyone. The ONLY correlation you could draw is that since men (by and large) have controlled western society, and these behaviors have historical roots, then men are contributed to these social problems to a larger extent than women have.

 

It's similar to racism. Are white people responsible for racism in society? No. Do non-white people contribute to society's racist ideas? Absolutely. But since white people have more privilege and power, then they hold the greater responsibility for examining and eradicating racism behaviors.

 

It's the idea that the social group with the most power in society has the greatest impact on social ideas.

 

This sounds plausible, but then we're talking about a relatively small number of powerful men here if such is the case, not the large demographic being subtly touted.

 

My concern is what can we do [as men who do NOT belittle women's self-esteem] to help women feel better about themselves and their attractiveness AS WELL AS how to raise it should they wish.

[ThaWholigan]

I must say I think this thread is pretty informative and I'm happy to see some real dialogue being opened up.

 

A recent point that I wanted to speak on--this whole thing about who controls the media which places unrealistic standards on women.

 

Most female mags are run by, naturally--women. A considerable amount of fashion designers are gay. It does make sense because the body types they're pushing on us are not attractive to the majority of men. How many stick thin pornstars are household names? Most popular pornstars are either seriously stacked up top, below the waist, or both.

 

I truly do feel bad for women and those that fall into the media expectations. I saw a thread on another site where a girl asked other women "do guys like big round butts?" and most girls said "no guys don't really like butts they like skinny girls with boobs". What men are they talking about?? Are there really women out there who still believe butts/thighs are bad to have?

 

I laugh at that. I don't know where they get that whole skinny leg thing from.

Anytime a woman says something like "I wish I could eat more junk food but then it'll go to my butt and thighs" I'm like great! Do it!

 

Obviously I'm not talking about being overweight, but you can have curves and still be healthy. Some people think you can only either be skinny, or a manatee. There is a healthy medium where you're skinny in certain areas and curvy in others.

 

Agree.

 

One thing I've noticed about the skinny girls being promoted, is their faces are absolute gems. Mila Kunis, Jessica Alba, Heidi Klum, Kiera Knightley--all girls I love but they're all too thin for my taste body wise. But their faces more than make up for it. I think when girls see these girls being promoted, they may think "oh guys like them because they're skinny--i have to get skinny", that's not the case, it's just that their faces are so flawless, we overlook their lack of curves.

 

I read an interview once where Jessica Alba actually said that she hated her curves and wanted to be skinnier (she was curvier when she was in Dark Angel). I was deeply disappointed reading that. So many of the girls go skinny and thin. Same with Mila Kunis - she was curvier before.

[verhrzn]

I must say I think this thread is pretty informative and I'm happy to see some real dialogue being opened up.

 

A recent point that I wanted to speak on--this whole thing about who controls the media which places unrealistic standards on women.

 

Most female mags are run by, naturally--women. A considerable amount of fashion designers are gay. It does make sense because the body types they're pushing on us are not attractive to the majority of men. How many stick thin pornstars are household names? Most popular pornstars are either seriously stacked up top, below the waist, or both.

 

I truly do feel bad for women and those that fall into the media expectations. I saw a thread on another site where a girl asked other women "do guys like big round butts?" and most girls said "no guys don't really like butts they like skinny girls with boobs". What men are they talking about?? Are there really women out there who still believe butts/thighs are bad to have?

 

Read my above post about historic beauty standards.

 

Corsets, make-up, hair styles, standards of beauty.... all of these existed and were imposed on women BEFORE women could control any type of industry except the home.

 

Let's break it down: for centuries, a woman's value has depended upon her youth, her beauty and her fertility. Beauty standards emerged out of men's preferences that supposedly pointed to these factors (bigger hips equal greater fertility, red cheeks and lips mean better health, etc.) Since women could only survive through marriage, they needed these attributes, and so begun to manipulate themselves to achieve it.

 

This idea is still strongly embedded into society. A feminism movement of less than a hundred years does not wipe out 3,000 years of behavior. Women are still getting the message that their value is based primarily on their looks. They may be getting this message from other women in CERTAIN areas, but the idea of value=looks comes from the entire society... both men AND women.

 

The beauty industry has only been controlled by women (and... gay men, I guess?) for a very small sequence of time. Their standards do not happen in a vacuum. There is a demand for a product, they produce it.

 

The place where men come into the picture is WHY there is a need for a product. Why do women need shiny hair, or fashionable clothes, or make-up, or weight loss pills, etc? If there wasn't a need for these things, these things wouldn't exist. They exist because there is a need. And the need is not primarily driven by the fashion industry; it is driven by the idea that women are still judged and evaluated by their looks by the people in power.

 

The only reason the fashion industry can sell things is to women is by preying on the idea that women need these things in order to succeed. If women were not being judged by their looks, they would no longer need these things. But since women ARE still judged by looks, and STILL need these things, thus we have the fashion industry. Whether it's controlled by men or women is immaterial; the fact still remains that it exists BECAUSE women believe they do not have power/control/value outside of their physical appearance.

[MrCastle]

I laugh at that. I don't know where they get that whole skinny leg thing from.

 

 

Agree.

 

 

 

I read an interview once where Jessica Alba actually said that she hated her curves and wanted to be skinnier (she was curvier when she was in Dark Angel). I was deeply disappointed reading that. So many of the girls go skinny and thin. Same with Mila Kunis - she was curvier before.

 

It's a shame right? I remember before Lindsay Lohan got thrust into the spotlight, she had a nice little body, gorgeous red locks, then she dyed her hair blonde and lost what looks like 30-40 pounds and looks twice her actual age. Part of that is drug use I'm sure, but also becoming more popular as well. It seems the majority of women lose weight when they become bigger stars. I definitely remember Alba having some booty in Idle Hands, but now, not so much--there was a scene in Machete where she was showering and I felt like I was watching a 14 year old boy take a shower. I was disappointed to say the least.

 

I wish more women understood that men prefer curves. I've heard girls that couldn't be more than 110 lbs (I call them spinners) refer to themselves as "cows" if they had a big meal. Their body image is screwed up. I really do feel sorry for them. Sure men worry about height, muscle, penis size, etc--but I can point out plenty of short, skinny men in hollywood that are seen as attractive and desirable. I've never felt enormous pressure to be taller or pack on muscle. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like, but I don't lose sleep over it, nor does it affect my mental.

[verhrzn]

I laugh at that. I don't know where they get that whole skinny leg thing from.

Agree.

 

I read an interview once where Jessica Alba actually said that she hated her curves and wanted to be skinnier (she was curvier when she was in Dark Angel). I was deeply disappointed reading that. So many of the girls go skinny and thin. Same with Mila Kunis - she was curvier before.

 

But think of the contradictory messages she gets; you are ONLY allowed to be non-skinny if you have "curves." But those curves must be the right kind of curves. For example, I am not allowed to be fat because it doesn't increase my bust or my butt, just my stomach. So instead of constantly freaking out about having the "right" kind of curves (is it big enough? too big? are big thighs okay if I have a big butt?) being skinny is sometimes just, well, easier.

 

Put it another way: a woman has no curves naturally. She has narrow hips and a small bust. Should she be skinny, or overweight in HOPES of growing curves?

[verhrzn]

It's a shame right? I remember before Lindsay Lohan got thrust into the spotlight, she had a nice little body, gorgeous red locks, then she dyed her hair blonde and lost what looks like 30-40 pounds and looks twice her actual age. Part of that is drug use I'm sure, but also becoming more popular as well. It seems the majority of women lose weight when they become bigger stars. I definitely remember Alba having some booty in Idle Hands, but now, not so much--there was a scene in Machete where she was showering and I felt like I was watching a 14 year old boy take a shower. I was disappointed to say the least.

 

I wish more women understood that men prefer curves. I've heard girls that couldn't be more than 110 lbs (I call them spinners) refer to themselves as "cows" if they had a big meal. Their body image is screwed up. I really do feel sorry for them. Sure men worry about height, muscle, penis size, etc--but I can point out plenty of short, skinny men in hollywood that are seen as attractive and desirable. I've never felt enormous pressure to be taller or pack on muscle. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like, but I don't lose sleep over it, nor does it affect my mental.

 

*Faceplam*

 

You say you feel sorry for these girls and want them to feel better about themselves and that women are mean for judging other's bodies. But look at what you're doing! Judging a woman's body. Saying Lindsey Lohan or Jessica Alba looks better like THIS than THAT. So, you are judging her body for not being curvy enough! Do you see how this contributes to the exact problem you are referencing?

 

Women are constantly getting contradicting information about their body: be skinny! No, be curvy! No not THAT kind of curvy! Ugh, you need to lose weight! Now you need to gain weight!

 

The more you say that THIS looks better than THAT, instead of just allowing a woman to control her own body and allow her to dictate how SHE wants to look, the more you add to this issue of judging women's bodies. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe girls would stop calling themselves cow if you stopped pinpointing all the ways a girl should be curvy?

[MrCastle]

Read my above post about historic beauty standards.

 

Corsets, make-up, hair styles, standards of beauty.... all of these existed and were imposed on women BEFORE women could control any type of industry except the home.

 

Let's break it down: for centuries, a woman's value has depended upon her youth, her beauty and her fertility. Beauty standards emerged out of men's preferences that supposedly pointed to these factors (bigger hips equal greater fertility, red cheeks and lips mean better health, etc.) Since women could only survive through marriage, they needed these attributes, and so begun to manipulate themselves to achieve it.

 

This idea is still strongly embedded into society. A feminism movement of less than a hundred years does not wipe out 3,000 years of behavior. Women are still getting the message that their value is based primarily on their looks. They may be getting this message from other women in CERTAIN areas, but the idea of value=looks comes from the entire society... both men AND women.

 

The beauty industry has only been controlled by women (and... gay men, I guess?) for a very small sequence of time. Their standards do not happen in a vacuum. There is a demand for a product, they produce it.

 

The place where men come into the picture is WHY there is a need for a product. Why do women need shiny hair, or fashionable clothes, or make-up, or weight loss pills, etc? If there wasn't a need for these things, these things wouldn't exist. They exist because there is a need. And the need is not primarily driven by the fashion industry; it is driven by the idea that women are still judged and evaluated by their looks by the people in power.

 

The only reason the fashion industry can sell things is to women is by preying on the idea that women need these things in order to succeed. If women were not being judged by their looks, they would no longer need these things. But since women ARE still judged by looks, and STILL need these things, thus we have the fashion industry. Whether it's controlled by men or women is immaterial; the fact still remains that it exists BECAUSE women believe they do not have power/control/value outside of their physical appearance.

 

Agreed but at the same time, that was then. This is now. Back in the days of the great depression, and even earlier, fat, burly men were seen as attractive because if they were hefty, that meant they were eating. If they were eating, that meant they had money to afford the food. So being bigger was often seen as a plus over skrawny men. Now, not so much. Back then, for whatever reason, skinny women were seen as ideal. But I believe tastes evolve. Modern men have spoken. We want women who have boobs and butts and thighs. We don't want to see your rib cage or other visible bone structures. We want meat. It seems the fashion and magazine industry (now dominated by women and gay men) haven't gotten the memo or have a product to sell.

[ThaWholigan]

But think of the contradictory messages she gets; you are ONLY allowed to be non-skinny if you have "curves." But those curves must be the right kind of curves. For example, I am not allowed to be fat because it doesn't increase my bust or my butt, just my stomach. So instead of constantly freaking out about having the "right" kind of curves (is it big enough? too big? are big thighs okay if I have a big butt?) being skinny is sometimes just, well, easier.

 

Put it another way: a woman has no curves naturally. She has narrow hips and a small bust. Should she be skinny, or overweight in HOPES of growing curves?

Well, I would only worry about the fat from a health point of view rather than one of beauty - there are still guys out there who will date fat women - I don't care who has anecdotes of the opposite, I've seen it happen too often.

 

It all depends on what the woman wants for herself, what she feels comfortable being, happiest and healthiest.

[MrCastle]

*Faceplam*

 

You say you feel sorry for these girls and want them to feel better about themselves and that women are mean for judging other's bodies. But look at what you're doing! Judging a woman's body. Saying Lindsey Lohan or Jessica Alba looks better like THIS than THAT. So, you are judging her body for not being curvy enough! Do you see how this contributes to the exact problem you are referencing?

 

Women are constantly getting contradicting information about their body: be skinny! No, be curvy! No not THAT kind of curvy! Ugh, you need to lose weight! Now you need to gain weight!

 

The more you say that THIS looks better than THAT, instead of just allowing a woman to control her own body and allow her to dictate how SHE wants to look, the more you add to this issue of judging women's bodies. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe girls would stop calling themselves cow if you stopped pinpointing all the ways a girl should be curvy?

 

All I'm saying is women look better when they're not underweight. I didn't say women must have 36 DD boobs and 40" hips. Every woman's body type is different, but they all look better with whatever sized curves they have, as opposed to starving themselves and looking emaciated.

[verhrzn]

Agreed but at the same time, that was then. This is now. Back in the days of the great depression, and even earlier, fat, burly men were seen as attractive because if they were hefty, that meant they were eating. If they were eating, that meant they had money to afford the food. So being bigger was often seen as a plus over skrawny men. Now, not so much. Back then, for whatever reason, skinny women were seen as ideal. But I believe tastes evolve. Modern men have spoken. We want women who have boobs and butts and thighs. We don't want to see your rib cage or other visible bone structures. We want meat. It seems the fashion and magazine industry (now dominated by women and gay men) haven't gotten the memo or have a product to sell.

 

So you just want to replace one beauty standard with another?? What about all the girls who are naturally skinny and thus don't have a butt? What about girls who aren't naturally curvy but are just straight up and down (like me)?

 

All you're doing is turning around and judging a DIFFERENT type of body. The hourglass is no more realistic a body type than the skinny model look is. I think something less than 15% of women have that body type, and moreover, it is NOT possible to sculpt it without surgery... your waist size and your hip size is determined by your skeleton and muscle density, so no amount of exercise will engineer a nice bubble butt.

 

Is it really any better to trade one unrealistic body type for another in beauty standards?

[Revolver]

I must say I think this thread is pretty informative and I'm happy to see some real dialogue being opened up.

 

A recent point that I wanted to speak on--this whole thing about who controls the media which places unrealistic standards on women.

 

Most female mags are run by, naturally--women. A considerable amount of fashion designers are gay. It does make sense because the body types they're pushing on us are not attractive to the majority of men. How many stick thin pornstars are household names? Most popular pornstars are either seriously stacked up top, below the waist, or both.

 

I truly do feel bad for women and those that fall into the media expectations. I saw a thread on another site where a girl asked other women "do guys like big round butts?" and most girls said "no guys don't really like butts they like skinny girls with boobs". What men are they talking about?? Are there really women out there who still believe butts/thighs are bad to have?

 

Anytime a woman says something like "I wish I could eat more junk food but then it'll go to my butt and thighs" I'm like great! Do it!

 

Obviously I'm not talking about being overweight, but you can have curves and still be healthy. Some people think you can only either be skinny, or a manatee. There is a healthy medium where you're skinny in certain areas and curvy in others.

 

One thing I've noticed about the skinny girls being promoted, is their faces are absolute gems. Mila Kunis, Jessica Alba, Heidi Klum, Kiera Knightley--all girls I love but they're all too thin for my taste body wise. But their faces more than make up for it. I think when girls see these girls being promoted, they may think "oh guys like them because they're skinny--i have to get skinny", that's not the case, it's just that their faces are so flawless, we overlook their lack of curves.

 

 

Good point.

[verhrzn]

All I'm saying is women look better when they're not underweight. I didn't say women must have 36 DD boobs and 40" hips. Every woman's body type is different, but they all look better with whatever sized curves they have, as opposed to starving themselves and looking emaciated.

 

But some of those women can't gain weight; really. I know some ladies who are just naturally skinny and small, and they feel just as self-conscious in high school when being mocked by "Eww I can see your ribs!" and "Aww are those boobs or pimples?"

 

Some women really are just skinny, and some are just straight up and down and lack curves no matter what weight they are.

[MrCastle]

Verhrzn--there is a healthy skinny and an unhealthy skinny. I'm referring to women who either have curves but try to lose them because they think men prefer curveless women, or skinny women who starve themselves to look even skinnier. I realize there are women who are naturally not as busty as others, but as long as they're a healthy weight, it's ok.

[verhrzn]

Verhrzn--there is a healthy skinny and an unhealthy skinny. I'm referring to women who either have curves but try to lose them because they think men prefer curveless women, or skinny women who starve themselves to look even skinnier. I realize there are women who are naturally not as busty as others, but as long as they're a healthy weight, it's ok.

 

But that isn't what you're saying. You are harping on "curves"... but that's such a vague and ill-defined terms that it makes a lot of women with body issues hyper-ventilate. I've also said this before, unless you are that woman's doctor, you have NO idea by looking at her if she's "healthy" or "unhealthy" skinny OR fat.

 

You cannot judge health based on looks. You cannot judge health based even on weight. A girl can look "unnaturally" skinny and be perfectly fine.

 

ThaWhalogian asked earlier how we could start improving this situation. The solution is to STOP judging others by their body and stop telling others what their body should be, and let them decide for themselves.

[somedude81]

Two weeks ago at a party. And I didn't say it happens MORE. Just that guys throwing punches is excused as "what guys do," and physical violence from women is seen as abnormal.

I should have added a footnote about alcohol.

 

It's still not acceptable drunk or not.

But that's my point... it makes no sense for gay men or women to dictate how women look. Neither gay men or women have any interest in the female body, aside from selling merchandise. It just doesn't make sense for them to set the social standards of beauty.

You're right. It doesn't make sense for gay men or women to dictate how women should look, but that is the way things are.

 

Straight men are simply not a part of the fashion industry.

 

Today's women are told what men like by people who don't actually have any interest in women.

 

It's like a vegetarian giving reviews on steak houses.

[verhrzn]

You're right. It doesn't make sense for gay men or women to dictate how women should look, but that is the way things are.

 

Straight men are simply not a part of the fashion industry.

 

Today's women are told what men like by people who don't actually have any interest in women.

 

It's like a vegetarian giving reviews on steak houses.

 

Yes, because women live in bubbles where the ONLY information they get about men's preferences are from fashion magazines. They never go to the movies (Hollywood is still predominantly controlled by men), or watch TV (still mostly men), or watch ads (again, most ad executives.... men), or even God forbid, talk to men themselves.

 

I am not saying the fashion industry doesn't contribute. But it is not the ONLY thing that contributes, and it is one small thing in a list of many other things that give women the ideas of what their body should be.

[MrCastle]

But that isn't what you're saying. You are harping on "curves"... but that's such a vague and ill-defined terms that it makes a lot of women with body issues hyper-ventilate. I've also said this before, unless you are that woman's doctor, you have NO idea by looking at her if she's "healthy" or "unhealthy" skinny OR fat.

 

You cannot judge health based on looks. You cannot judge health based even on weight. A girl can look "unnaturally" skinny and be perfectly fine.

 

ThaWhalogian asked earlier how we could start improving this situation. The solution is to STOP judging others by their body and stop telling others what their body should be, and let them decide for themselves.

 

Facts are facts--men will always go for looks. I'm not saying that's the be all, end all, but let's be honest, men are more visual. I'm not agreeing with it or supporting it, I'm just stating facts. Also, the fashion industry has an image to sell, as do other industries. Image selling will always be around. The solution is to ignore what they're selling. This projection that super skinny women are ideal is not going away anytime soon. The solution is for women to say "screw you, I have an ass, I like it, my man likes it, we're happy. The solution is for women to stop blindly following what magazines tell them. That's the solution.

 

I think it's better to want a girl to be healthy, then to demand her to be unrealistically skinny. The situation Wholigan and I were talking about is a perfect example. Alba used to have curves. Not mind blowing, out of control kim kardashian curves, but nice curves for her frame. She then lost a significant amount of weight and said she hated her curves. Most men, I assume, would have preferred she embraced her curves instead of trying to lose them.

[verhrzn]

Facts are facts--men will always go for looks. I'm not saying that's the be all, end all, but let's be honest, men are more visual. I'm not agreeing with it or supporting it, I'm just stating facts. Also, the fashion industry has an image to sell, as do other industries. Image selling will always be around. The solution is to ignore what they're selling. This projection that super skinny women are ideal is not going away anytime soon. The solution is for women to say "screw you, I have an ass, I like it, my man likes it, we're happy. The solution is for women to stop blindly following what magazines tell them. That's the solution.

 

I think it's better to want a girl to be healthy, then to demand her to be unrealistically skinny. The situation Wholigan and I were talking about is a perfect example. Alba used to have curves. Not mind blowing, out of control kim kardashian curves, but nice curves for her frame. She then lost a significant amount of weight and said she hated her curves. Most men, I assume, would have preferred she embraced her curves instead of trying to lose them.

 

So they should follow what guys like you say instead? Where does that leave the skinny girls, the less-curved girls? It's just another form of body judgement, it's just another beauty standard to uphold.

 

Maybe Alba hated her curves because guys wouldn't leave her alone. Maybe she hated them because a guy she dated told her she had a fat ass. Maybe she just doesn't like her own appearance with curves. It could have something to do with the "fashion industry," but that's only speculation.

 

Maybe she shouldn't change her body because of men's opinions. Isn't that what we should really be striving for? To stop accepting our bodies based on what OTHERS think of them? Saying "well I have an ass that men love" is just another form of loving your body ONLY because other people like it.... It's the same thing the fashion industry is doing, just with another body type.

 

Maybe the solution is not to stop listening to what magazines say, but what ANYBODY says about our own body. Maybe the solution is for women to stop changing themselves based on what society, or men, say is attractive.

 

Of course, whenever that line of thinking is followed, then you start getting guys complaining how women are fat, and ugly, and lesbians, for not being what they find attractive. And hey it's not men being judgmental... men are just VISUAL, they can't HELP it.

 

So it's rather a deep trap for women, isn't it?

[RogerWallace111]

 

Anytime a woman says something like "I wish I could eat more junk food but then it'll go to my butt and thighs" I'm like great! Do it!

Obviously I'm not talking about being overweight, but you can have curves and still be healthy. Some people think you can only either be skinny, or a manatee. There is a healthy medium where you're skinny in certain areas and curvy in others.

One thing I've noticed about the skinny girls being promoted, is their faces are absolute gems. Mila Kunis, Jessica Alba, Heidi Klum, Kiera Knightley--all girls I love but they're all too thin for my taste body wise. But their faces more than make up for it. I think when girls see these girls being promoted, they may think "oh guys like them because they're skinny--i have to get skinny", that's not the case, it's just that their faces are so flawless, we overlook their lack of curves.

 

 

Yes, yes. I'm pretty recently single and being back on the prowl I've come to terms with the fact that thin bodies just don't do it for me. If a girl is cool, with a face i'm attracted to, I'd still be interested in giving it a try; but sexually, a little or non-existent ass and bones showing through makes it tough for me to get excited. It's become almost cliche, and girls seem to hate how guys dig her, but a kim kardashian shaped body is my f*ckin style of choice. I could go a bit thicker or thinner but she's a good example of the body I find ideal aesthetically.

 

 

And your last paragraph poses a really good point. It's true, I think a lot of girls ignore the fact that these thin celebrities that men dote over are often beautiful-as-f*ck and nothing short of them being truly "overweight" could change that. If Mila or Kiera put on 25 lbs...

[MrCastle]

So they should follow what guys like you say instead? Where does that leave the skinny girls, the less-curved girls? It's just another form of body judgement, it's just another beauty standard to uphold.

 

Maybe Alba hated her curves because guys wouldn't leave her alone. Maybe she hated them because a guy she dated told her she had a fat ass. Maybe she just doesn't like her own appearance with curves. It could have something to do with the "fashion industry," but that's only speculation.

 

Maybe she shouldn't change her body because of men's opinions. Isn't that what we should really be striving for? To stop accepting our bodies based on what OTHERS think of them? Saying "well I have an ass that men love" is just another form of loving your body ONLY because other people like it.... It's the same thing the fashion industry is doing, just with another body type.

 

Maybe the solution is not to stop listening to what magazines say, but what ANYBODY says about our own body. Maybe the solution is for women to stop changing themselves based on what society, or men, say is attractive.

 

Of course, whenever that line of thinking is followed, then you start getting guys complaining how women are fat, and ugly, and lesbians, for not being what they find attractive. And hey it's not men being judgmental... men are just VISUAL, they can't HELP it.

 

So it's rather a deep trap for women, isn't it?

 

You can live how you want and treat your body how you want, that's certainly your choice--but your dating life, realistically, will be affected. That's just the way it is.

[verhrzn]

You can live how you want and treat your body how you want, that's certainly your choice--but your dating life, realistically, will be affected. That's just the way it is.

 

So.... this thread was really just concern-trolling? You don't actually care about women judging each other harshly because of the beauty standards imposed on them by society, you just want women to adhere to the beauty standard YOU find attractive? It has nothing to do with women being comfortable in their own body, or being satisfied with their own attractiveness regardless of male validation.... it's all about how pissed off you are that there aren't enough women out there who are your type?? Seriously??

[RogerWallace111]

So they should follow what guys like you say instead? Where does that leave the skinny girls, the less-curved girls? It's just another form of body judgement, it's just another beauty standard to uphold.

 

Maybe Alba hated her curves because guys wouldn't leave her alone. Maybe she hated them because a guy she dated told her she had a fat ass. Maybe she just doesn't like her own appearance with curves. It could have something to do with the "fashion industry," but that's only speculation.

 

Maybe she shouldn't change her body because of men's opinions. Isn't that what we should really be striving for? To stop accepting our bodies based on what OTHERS think of them? Saying "well I have an ass that men love" is just another form of loving your body ONLY because other people like it.... It's the same thing the fashion industry is doing, just with another body type.

 

Maybe the solution is not to stop listening to what magazines say, but what ANYBODY says about our own body. Maybe the solution is for women to stop changing themselves based on what society, or men, say is attractive.

 

Of course, whenever that line of thinking is followed, then you start getting guys complaining how women are fat, and ugly, and lesbians, for not being what they find attractive. And hey it's not men being judgmental... men are just VISUAL, they can't HELP it.

 

So it's rather a deep trap for women, isn't it?

 

 

Haaaaaaaaa. Take it easy. Yes, women shouldn't change their body's due to male opinion, if the men you attract is of no concern (same could go for men). I mean usually what one wants their body to be like, for their own personal satisfaction, is gonna be something that can attract some members of the opposite sex. I exercise regularly and I'd say it's about 60% so I can look at a healthy body in the mirror and personally like how I look, and 40% is so my body's pleasing to the eye/touch of a female. Please yourself and it doesn't matter. A woman can change her body type however she likes and there will be a man for her. Just be aware that, man or woman, letting oneself become obese, for instance, is gonna make attracting someone with a healthy body much more difficult.