American Women: Why some stray in marriage

[theBrokenMuse]

A "meme" then, is simply an idea. Why create a new word for "idea?" Am well familiar with the usage and where the unword "meme" originates.

Ummm, then why are you dicking me around asking what it means and no, it doesn't just mean an idea. That would be an oversimplification... but since you know what a meme is you obviously know that already.

 

Please don't be lecturing me about an "us versus them" mentality. Feminism and the left did that, not men.

Seriously, I write something that has to do with how generalizations can cause issues on a smaller scale and you instantly conflate it to only mean MEN VS WOMEN. Give it a rest already... geesh!

 

 

 

As a self-professed proponent of censorship, yes you should.

FFS, yup. Love how you make it sound like by wanting to promote a community on LS that doesn't allow for gross negative generalizations which would make for more productive conversations and less negativity over all, you make it sound like I am trying to take away people's rights to their freedom of expression. It's hilarious because it's just so deliciously disingenuous.

 

Warmest Regards,

Evil Censoress of Doom

 

xoxo

[Woggle]

He is talking about the us vs them mentality as far as men and women go because that is the kind of board we are on. Feminists constantly promote an us vs them mentality when it comes to gender but when men defend ourselves against misandry which is all we are doing on this board using the same tactics we are wrong.

[theBrokenMuse]

He is talking about the us vs them mentality as far as men and women go because that is the kind of board we are on.

He was dismissing a much broader subject with a paraphrased, "I don't want to hear it. You guys started it!!" That's a non-answer and doesn't really even touch on what was said at all. I realize that there is a very prevalent male VS female thing going on with LS and it utterly sucks.

[Woggle]

It might suck but you can't have a relationship board without having a male vs female thing. Men and women have different experiences and different interests.

[Mme. Chaucer]

He is talking about the us vs them mentality as far as men and women go because that is the kind of board we are on. Feminists constantly promote an us vs them mentality when it comes to gender but when men defend ourselves against misandry which is all we are doing on this board using the same tactics we are wrong.

 

Well, why not deal with the actual people who are here on this board? I rarely see "feminists constantly promoting an us vs them mentality" here. I do see a lot of wounded people who evidently want to blame their woes on an entire gender. Sure, there are the women and men who come on the board to glory in their cheatin' ways. Not the majority.

 

Simply dumping on women, or men, is not an effective technique against misogyny OR misandry.

[theBrokenMuse]

It might suck but you can't have a relationship board without having a male vs female thing. Men and women have different experiences and different interests.

Of course there is always going to be some tension on a board like this but while I am not an optimist by any means I think it's possible for the board to get to a point where it is less 'Roman Colosseum mode' but perhaps that is just this glass of wine talking.

[theBrokenMuse]

Look, -you- defined it as an "idea," not me. Unless you can articulate how the "unword" means more than an "idea," I will continue to consider it as the nebulous "newspeak" term that it has become in the social "unsciences," leftist pogroms, and other places (NOW meetings for example) where imprecise expression is practiced and encouraged.

You said you knew where it originated from. It's a scientific term.

 

A meme (pronounced /ˈmiːm/, rhyming with "cream"[1]) is a unit of cultural ideas, symbols or practices, which can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals or other imitable phenomena. (The etymology of the term relates to the Greek word μιμητισμός (/mɪmetɪsmos/) for "something imitated".)[2] Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes, in that they self-replicate and respond to selective pressures.[3]

 

The British scientist Richard Dawkins coined the word "meme" in The Selfish Gene (1976)[1][4] as a concept for discussion of evolutionary principles in explaining the spread of ideas and cultural phenomena. Examples of memes given in the book included melodies, catch-phrases, beliefs (notably religious beliefs), clothing fashion, and the technology of building arches.[5]

Meme-theorists contend that memes evolve by natural selection (in a manner analogous to that of biological evolution) through the processes of variation, mutation, competition, and inheritance influencing an individual meme's reproductive success. Memes spread through the behaviors that they generate in their hosts. Memes that propagate less prolifically may become extinct, while others may survive, spread, and (for better or for worse) mutate. Theorists point out that memes which replicate the most effectively spread best, and some memes may replicate effectively even when they prove detrimental to the welfare of their hosts.[6]

 

A field of study called memetics[7] arose in the 1990s to explore the concepts and transmission of memes in terms of an evolutionary model. Criticism from a variety of fronts has challenged the notion that scholarship can examine memes empirically. Some commentators[who?] question the idea that one can meaningfully categorize culture in terms of discrete units.

 

Keep protesting too much, you and I both know that you want to censor speech that YOU DON'T LIKE. It's really that simple.

Wanting general rules of conduct to include stereotyping and gross generalizations on one message board =/= eliminating people's freedom of expression

 

Warmest Regards,

Evil Censoress of Doom

 

xoxo

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

 

 

I'm not the one crying and whining about being called on shaming language when my posts have no other substance besides the shaming language. Have suggested a way to remedy this, whether or not you follow it and bring your posts out of elementary school land and into the realm of reasonable adult discussion is up to you. Until you decide to do so, I WILL be calling you on instances where you insult a poster as opposed to discussing the words in their posts.

 

Duh ... I'm confused again. Weren't we admonished to only comment on POSTS and never on POSTERS? Oh masterful patriarchal condescending white man (not you, Meerkat Manor, I don't even know whether you are a man, a white man, or a human white man), why not practice what you so effusively preach?

[theBrokenMuse]

In other words, an "idea." Nothing in the above adds anything to the concepts "idea," "melody," or "catch-phrase," commonly understood words, and comparing the progress of ideas through a culture to genes is utter junk science.

 

I am well aware of the legitimate word "mimetic," and its greek root, as signifying a quality of self imitation peculiar to entities, not thoughts. There's just no reason for the word "meme" as opposed to the word "idea."

FFS, a meme is a basic unti of memory. I am sorry that you haven't understood what was written but I don't care to delve into it further as it is obvious that you can't even bring yourself to grant something as small as the premise of a word that is in the dictionary.

 

Finally, Dawkins is a pop philosopher, not anything resembling a "scientist," so the definition itself is biased in that it seeks to attribute some scientific credence to its origin that does not exist.

Ok, so a degree that makes one an evolutionary Biologist and subsequent years teaching the subject at university level = pop philosopher? So, on planet Meerkat Stew does that mean that law degree of yours = gym teacher, graphic artist or engineer? I can't quite figure it out.

 

Where in this thread is any stereotype applied to women?

The Meerkat Stew definition of a stereotype or the one defined in the dictionary as considering how you defined it last night they do differ.

 

As far as generalizations go, they are how we learn

You already said this and I already explained why that makes it more important, not less to not use use negative ones silly nilly.

 

and that value outweighs any offensiveness

Sure, but there are few potentially good things to garner from emotionally based gross negative generalizations and a whole lot of misinformation to gain. Saying that we usually learn from generalizations does not mean that it is always necessarily a GOOD learning method if one cares about things like accuracy and truth.

 

to thin-skinned people who shouldn't get offended in the first place.

No one has the right to not be offended but by the same token, people have the right to feel what they feel.

 

Start limiting them on casual internet forums and you are indeed stifling expression.

You don't seem to understand how things work in this regard. You see this isn't my or your forum. This forum is an entity that has an actual owner. It is his/her decision what is allowed here and if tomorrow (s)he decided that this forum wouldn't allow any statements that could be deemed by anyone as sexist at all, it STILL wouldn't stifle freedom of speech as anyone can go out there and create a forum of their own to use as their own soapbox.

 

Come back and claim that people are trying to take away your freedom on the internet when people who share a worldview or idea are barred from enjoying a soapbox of their own. Otherwise you simply sound like chicken little.

 

Personal insults are painfully, obviously different than mere generalizations.

Once again, this is a bald assertion. You realize that ALL major stereotypes started off as mere generalizations... right? Edited September 18, 2010 by theBrokenMuse