soserious1 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 What I find irritating is the way certain posters in this thread have elected themselves representatives of the entire male gender. Personally, I do not generally find men past their early thirties attractive very often. I know some women do but I'm not one of them. Maybe that will change when I'm older (I'm 25 now). I realize that later in life this will narrow my dating options, but so be it. I know that I'm attractive enough, and take good enough care of my body, that there will always be men who will find me attractive until I'm at least 45. Even if their numbers dwindle, there will still be enough for me to find a suitable mate. Past that age, I will probably be married anyway and won't have to worry about dating. Don't count on it, being married is no sort of protection against your husband catching the younger woman fever.
Shygirl15 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Of course you do ! Ooh, not me.. naaw. I couldn't care less what somebody says to me here, they don't know me.
grogster Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Sooo well said.. again.. I was thinking the same thing about the 'subtext' it's more about 'demeaning' than 'debating' .. Well said, Lizzie. I don't take this personally. I've been cougar "game" and I've dated women my own age and substantially younger. I've been on both sides. It's all a matter of attraction and chemistry. Ideology doesn't dictate whom I bed: Never has; never will. What offends me is the calculated campaign by sexually insecure, physically unattractive males (most of whom couldn't buy a date) to emotionally sabotage LS through offensive posts. I smell a conspiacy. Thats what pisses me off.
shadowplay Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Tara, you're insulting Prozac (although I would need to be on Prozac regime were I forced to read every post). This is a "noise" thread where Gresham's Law operates in all its glory: the bad drives out the good, noise drowns out discussion and sexist and ageist ranters attempt to create a hostile message board environment. It's the "Gender Trolls" Thread. Get me directions to JB's island. In the words of Yeats: "the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity."Well the second part anyway.
shadowplay Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Don't count on it, being married is no sort of protection against your husband catching the younger woman fever. That's what my handy douche detector is for.
Balthazar Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 I cannot control what a person finds disrespectful or downright insulting. I seek to present my opinions honestly, and I understand that many women will disagree because I do not care for political correctness. As for spewing venom, you see it as venom because it is not what you want to hear. What is disgusting Jersey, is the way you wish to ram your opinion down our throats. I myself, am content to present my views without forcing anyone to agree and without resorting to insults when they don't. That is our big difference. I tell you that I like to date younger women and you reply that I am being disrespectful. How am I being disrespectful? Is it not disrespectful of you not to accept my preference? Why are you not criticizing women who date younger men? Isn't that the same type of disrespect you assert that I am showing? I think your argument is mostly with Vonerik, not with me(although I share many of his views). In any case, the thread has been entertaining. And if it has kept alleviated the need for some people to take Prozac, so much the better.
soserious1 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 That's what my handy douche detector is for. ROTFLMAO!!! Thanks, I needed a laugh in the worst way today. I'm sitting here trying to retain a zen like composure in the face of my STB ex who along with his lawyer seem to feel that his taking 95% of all our assets and leaving me with 100% of our bills is "equitable" Of course, he is willing to leave me the cats but only if he can snag most of their food and supplies..you never know, he might be able to give them to some craigslist chica:D
Jilly Bean Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 What offends me is the calculated campaign by sexually insecure, physically unattractive males (most of whom couldn't buy a date) to emotionally sabotage LS through offensive posts. I smell a conspiacy. Thats what pisses me off. Yes, and we all know exactly to whom you are referring. Grog - what do you suggest to make him (them) and his (their) bitter rantings go away? It really is sad, because if you sift through the crap on this thread, you will find a few respondents who didn't take this thread so off-topic, and were from the demographic the OP was interesting in polling. Their comments were terribly supportive. Tsk.
Shygirl15 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Call me whatever, but I happen to 100% agree with what Balthazar and Vonerik have said on this thread. Let's just very respectfully agree to disgaree on this topic. It's okay for people to have different opinions, just don't understand why some have problems accepting this.
soserious1 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Well said, Lizzie. I don't take this personally. I've been cougar "game" and I've dated women my own age and substantially younger. I've been on both sides. It's all a matter of attraction and chemistry. Ideology doesn't dictate whom I bed: Never has; never will. What offends me is the calculated campaign by sexually insecure, physically unattractive males (most of whom couldn't buy a date) to emotionally sabotage LS through offensive posts. I smell a conspiacy. Thats what pisses me off. Here, here, well said!!!
Balthazar Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 It is interesting how differing opinions always bring out "conspiracy" theories. I think LS is strong enough to withstand opposing viewpoints; it will do just fine.
Balthazar Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Yes, and we all know exactly to whom you are referring. Grog - what do you suggest to make him (them) and his (their) bitter rantings go away? Tsk. Possibly a vote. All who present opposing arguments will be shot dead(humanely of course).
grogster Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 In the words of Yeats: "the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity."Well the second part anyway. Let people meet, date, form relationships and enjoy themselves without making them feel bad about their age, gender, appearance, reproductive potential. Is that too much to ask? It's not the "passionate intensity" as much as the gratuitous cruelty that offends me.
shadowplay Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 I'm disturbed by the gradual decline over the last few months in the intelligence and decency of posts on LS. The voices of reason and sanity are being drowned out by a sudden onslaught of bitter misogynists who seem to have lost their way on route to the Tucker Max board. These trolls are using every other thread as a springboard for their ugly rants.
Lizzie60 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 I'm disturbed by the gradual decline over the last few months in the intelligence and decency of posts on LS. The voices of reason and sanity are being drowned out by a sudden onslaught of bitter misogynists who seem to have lost their way on route to the Tucker Max board. These trolls are using every other thread as a springboard for their ugly rants. I agree BUTTTTT.. who feeds the troll???????
Jilly Bean Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 I'm disturbed by the gradual decline over the last few months in the intelligence and decency of posts on LS. The voices of reason and sanity are being drowned out by a sudden onslaught of bitter misogynists who seem to have lost their way on route to the Tucker Max board. These trolls are using every other thread as a springboard for their ugly rants. Totally, totally agree, Shadow! But Lizzie makes a great point. If people ignored them, stopped engaging (as I see many are starting to now), then they will go away. Put them on ignore, and then don't get into pissing contests with them over arguments that can't be won.
grogster Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Totally, totally agree, Shadow! But Lizzie makes a great point. If people ignored them, stopped engaging (as I see many are starting to now), then they will go away. Put them on ignore, and then don't get into pissing contests with them over arguments that can't be won. I agree, JB. I'll happily add some names to my ignore list. By doing so, we take away their oxygen. I loved your island thread.
soserious1 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Call me whatever, but I happen to 100% agree with what Balthazar and Vonerik have said on this thread. Let's just very respectfully agree to disgaree on this topic. It's okay for people to have different opinions, just don't understand why some have problems accepting this. At no point have I said here that men are not entitled to their preferences. What I have said is that being older doesn't strip from my my right to have my own preferences when it comes to romantic partners.Wanting to be with somebody who's life is at least roughly the same place mine is in isn't wrong, yet the strong under current here is very clearly telling me that it is, that as an older woman I ought to be grateful if a man,any man at all so much as glances at me. After mulling it over I've concluded that there's an under current of anger, not just here but in real time society as well. Older women are supposed to gracefully accept that we are sexually worthless and we are then expected to cheerfully accept lives that involve us sacrificing our wants and desires in order to caretake for older and younger family members.Then when we're physically too old and infirm to wipe a butt,wash a dish or write a check,we can get shunted off to a nursing home,spending our final days, alone,toothless,strapped to a chair and being fed mush by an under paid,disinterested nurse's aide. The face of mid-life is changing, increasingly men and women are saying "Wait, I put off my hopes, dreams and wants, I raised my family,put them first, now it is time for me" and there in a nutshell is what the anger is about.. older women daring to bypass the part of the script that demands they spend the next 15-20 years putting the care of others part first in favor of reclaiming their lives and putting themselves first again on their priority list.
Cherry Blossom 35 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Well said, Lizzie. I don't take this personally. I've been cougar "game" and I've dated women my own age and substantially younger. I've been on both sides. It's all a matter of attraction and chemistry. Ideology doesn't dictate whom I bed: Never has; never will. What offends me is the calculated campaign by sexually insecure, physically unattractive males (most of whom couldn't buy a date) to emotionally sabotage LS through offensive posts. I smell a conspiacy. Thats what pisses me off. Thank you, Grogster. Come to the island! We could use a good man like you. I guarantee you will have a good time.
Jilly Bean Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 I agree, JB. I'll happily add some names to my ignore list. By doing so, we take away their oxygen. I loved your island thread. Yes, I think that's the only way. I know I won't engage with them, and you're right - eventually when it snuffs out their fire sufficiently, they will be extinguished! Woo hoo! And thanks. The Island just seems like the right thing to do. Considering...
soserious1 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Lol, more musings here.. We've had a lot of talk about mother nature and how the ability to reproduce and fertility rules all. We cannot sit and say that biology rules all but only cherry pick the facets of that that suit us. Here's another fact. men die on average, 6-7 yrs sooner than women do ! From a strictly biological standpoint then, it would make sense for an older woman to not rule out a partner 5-7 yrs younger than herself.
vonerik012 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 Lol, more musings here.. We've had a lot of talk about mother nature and how the ability to reproduce and fertility rules all. We cannot sit and say that biology rules all but only cherry pick the facets of that that suit us. Here's another fact. men die on average, 6-7 yrs sooner than women do ! From a strictly biological standpoint then, it would make sense for an older woman to not rule out a partner 5-7 yrs younger than herself. I have repeatedly said men PREFER women their own age or younger.. Maybe even a year or 2 older for a ltr. You would have to be completely blind, or have absolutely NO knowledge of the opposite sex if you think this is not accurate. I also said, if a man wants children, he should find a woman that is at a good age to have them. Another woman hating statement I suppose? If you are a 40 yr old female, AND WANT A LTR, then it simply is not wise to go after younger men. If you want to waste your time, feel free. I really don't care. What is the only acceptable way people can post on a thread like this? How is this? Age makes no difference... Women can have children at any age. Men have absolutely no preference, and if they do they are cave men.! Women deserve men of any age, just because. If they disagree we must shame them into agreeing by calling them names! 50 is the new 30! I can't tell the difference, nor should I even notice! Meanwhile ladies, make sure your man is a high earner, with a "status" job, with several degrees, is tall, handsome, generous, good in bed, wealthy, intelligent, younger, sane, faithful, and caring! Don't let those bad men to tell you to settle for less!
soserious1 Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 I have repeatedly said men PREFER women their own age or younger.. Maybe even a year or 2 older for a ltr. You would have to be completely blind, or have absolutely NO knowledge of the opposite sex if you think this is not accurate. I also said, if a man wants children, he should find a woman that is at a good age to have them. Another woman hating statement I suppose? If you are a 40 yr old female, AND WANT A LTR, then it simply is not wise to go after younger men. If you want to waste your time, feel free. I really don't care. What is the only acceptable way people can post on a thread like this? How is this? Age makes no difference... Women can have children at any age. Men have absolutely no preference, and if they do they are cave men.! Women deserve men of any age, just because. If they disagree we must shame them into agreeing by calling them names! 50 is the new 30! I can't tell the difference, nor should I even notice! Meanwhile ladies, make sure your man is a high earner, with a "status" job, with several degrees, is tall, handsome, generous, good in bed, wealthy, intelligent, younger, sane, faithful, and caring! Don't let those bad men to tell you to settle for less! At no point in time have I said that men are not entitled to their preferences, nor have I called them cave men or any such thing or any of the other things you're repeating in an endless loop here so get off it, it's tiresome. You've cited reproductive biology as reason why it's natural for older men to seek out younger women.I'm only pointing out to you that you cannot cite biology as social law while conviently omitting pieces of that law. If I want a LTR, a relationship that won't end up leaving me partnerless in the end anyway,Biology dictates that I'd be much smarter to pick a man 5-7 yrs my junior because on average men die 5-7 yrs sooner than women.With that age difference, chances are good that my partner and I will die roughly around the same time, decreasing the number of years either of us are left alone with our grief.
Jersey Shortie Posted August 22, 2008 Posted August 22, 2008 I also said, if a man wants children, he should find a woman that is at a good age to have them. Same goes for women my friend. Meanwhile ladies, make sure your man is a high earner, with a "status" job, with several degrees, is tall, handsome, generous, good in bed, wealthy, intelligent, younger, sane, faithful, and caring! Don't let those bad men to tell you to settle for less! Excellent. Now we are getting somewhere!
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