Question for Guys 40 - 50

[vonerik012]

Soso, then be alone..

 

Let's say a guy living in the USA is five foot 4. He can pose the same argument. "Why should I have to settle! You are telling me I can't land a younger hot babe? Then I might as well be alone!"

 

Thats life. Then he should lower his standards, or be alone.

 

If you are 45-50, and only will date younger men, then good luck on finding a husband. Life is about compromises, and nobody is entitled to any mate they choose.

 

You obviously are not attracted to older men. So why do you think younger men have to be attracted to you as a life partner?

[Balthazar]

Why do hate women so much?

 

Interesting Capri.

You categorize me as a woman hater because I don't want to date older women?

So, a man who dates women younger than himself is a woman hater?

I cannot follow your logic. Please explain.

 

IMO, you are the one attacking MEN from your very first post.

 

You are truly deluded.

It is not my fault if you are in your 40's, possibly out of shape and can't get the younger men you ,possibly, desire.

But accusing these men of being "woman haters" because they are not attracted to you is hubris of the highest degree.

 

Possibly you are finding that for all your LS posting, things in real life are pretty much like I describe them to be...

 

Unfortunately, many women are buying into the media-enforced concept that women in their 40's have all the options they did when in their 20's and early 30's.

A concept the media has to present to appease the great number of single women in their late 30's and 40's.

[OpenBook]

Possibly you are finding that for all your LS posting, things in real life are pretty much like I describe them to be...

 

Actually, real life bears no resemblance whatsoever to you male posters who claim to speak for the "vast majority" of all mankind. I wish I could get a video camera to follow me around all day; it's nothing like what you describe. Ironically, I used to assume the same thing you did... that once past a certain age, a woman becomes invisible to men. How utterly wrong I was. It's all about how well a woman takes care of herself... combined with an independent and positive attitude about herself and her life.

 

And by the way (I know this will be hard to hear for you guys...), but life offers many other fascinating things besides men. It's not all about you men for us anymore. Contrary to popular belief, the universe does not revolve around you.

[Balthazar]

Actually, real life bears no resemblance whatsoever to you male posters who claim to speak for the "vast majority" of all mankind. I wish I could get a video camera to follow me around all day; it's nothing like what you describe. Ironically, I used to assume the same thing you did... that once past a certain age, a woman becomes invisible to men. How utterly wrong I was. It's all about how well a woman takes care of herself... combined with an independent and positive attitude about herself and her life.

 

And by the way (I know this will be hard to hear for you guys...), but life offers many other fascinating things besides men. It's not all about you men for us anymore. Contrary to popular belief, the universe does not revolve around you.

 

YOu continue(like ALL the female posters) to twist everything male posters say.

 

NO ONE said older women were invisible to men(especially me!).

THE WHOLE ISSUE is whether these older women will be able to bag the younger men they crave OPEN BOOK!

Pay attention and read the posts before attacking.

Do not change what we are saying.

 

The OP asked MEN about an whether we prefer the older women.

Most men my age(38), do NOT want to date older. They want to date 22-34(roughly).

 

If you believe and have experienced real life to be different, hooray for you!

 

It is getting very tiring having other posters accuse you having said something when you didn't.

 

As for life revolving around men, I agree with you.

Did I ever say it did?

 

But I still expect my woman to care for me, as I do for her.

 

CHeers,

[vonerik012]

Open book,

 

What does men looking at you have to do with them wanting to marry you, or settle down with you?

 

Men look at just about all women 16 and up. Do they want to marry the 16 yr old?

 

Nobody is saying men don't scope out older women, or basically any woman that moves.

 

The question is, are many men in their early 30's going to overlook age, and choose to marry or settle down with a woman in their 40's? My answer is no.

 

Women have no clue as to how men view sex. We can separate sex, and love much easier. Men since the beginning of time PAY strangers for sex.

 

Women have different criteria. You might meet a guy you find attractive, then find out he is unemployed, or works at Wal-mart. That might kill the attraction for most women. That's how many men view age.

 

Some of you women are acting like you have absolutely no criteria in choosing a mate, and the men are so superficial because they don't want to marry an old lady. We don't care much about your income, your career, or your height. Why are you so offended if we care about age? We are not allowed to have any criteria at all?

[Balthazar]

Open book,

 

What does men looking at you have to do with them wanting to marry you, or settle down with you?

 

Men look at just about all women 16 and up. Do they want to marry the 16 yr old?

 

Nobody is saying men don't scope out older women, or basically any woman that moves.

 

The question is, are many men in their early 30's going to overlook age, and choose to marry or settle down with a woman in their 40's? My answer is no.

 

Women have no clue as to how men view sex. We can separate sex, and love much easier. Men since the beginning of time PAY strangers for sex.

 

Women have different criteria. You might meet a guy you find attractive, then find out he is unemployed, or works at Wal-mart. That might kill the attraction for most women. That's how many men view age.

 

Some of you women are acting like you have absolutely no criteria in choosing a mate, and the men are so superficial because they don't want to marry an old lady. We don't care much about your income, your career, or your height. Why are you so offended if we care about age? We are not allowed to have any criteria at all?

 

Exactly. And whether women like it or not, men are visual.

We like women that are attractive.

That means we look at her eyes, her hair, her rack, her waist, her butt, legs, the works... and then we look at her personality.

 

And women are more visually attractive when younger.

Does Teri Hatcher look great for her age?

YES

Did she look better in Tango and Cash(circa 1991)?

Yes(No comparison actually)

 

Which version of Teri would I date, 1991 or 2008?

Let me think about it:rolleyes:

[Woggle]

Vonerik while I agree with much of what he says is wrong here. Age for the most part is nothing but a number. It all comes down to how a woman carries herself and her whole demeanor. Some women are wilted and dried up before they hit 30 and many women are pushing 50 and are still attractive so it doesn't boil down to how many years a woman has been on this earth. The only time older women utterly turn off any decent man is when they have been so soured from years of loving the wrong men and getting chewed up and spit out that you can almost see the venom coming out of them. The ugliness inside comes to the surface and men just avoid them like the plague but there are younger women who are like this as well.

[Balthazar]

Vonerik while I agree with much of what he says is wrong here. Age for the most part is nothing but a number. It all comes down to how a woman carries herself and her whole demeanor. Some women are wilted and dried up before they hit 30 and many women are pushing 50 and are still attractive so it doesn't boil down to how many years a woman has been on this earth. The only time older women utterly turn off any decent man is when they have been so soured from years of loving the wrong men and getting chewed up and spit out that you can almost see the venom coming out of them. The ugliness inside comes to the surface and men just avoid them like the plague but there are younger women who are like this as well.

 

I would agree with everything you say Woggle.

 

The interesting thing is that a lot of venom is coming from the female posters who then turn around and call us woman haters, misogynists when actually, LS is turning into a coven of misandrists.

 

Everyhting is OK is we accept that they are Goddesses(irrespective of age, weight, intelligence, etc) but if we actually state what we truly think you have all these Gloria Steinhem wannabes crawling out from everywhere....

[Art_Critic]

Vonerik while I agree with much of what he says is wrong here. Age for the most part is nothing but a number. It all comes down to how a woman carries herself and her whole demeanor. Some women are wilted and dried up before they hit 30 and many women are pushing 50 and are still attractive so it doesn't boil down to how many years a woman has been on this earth. The only time older women utterly turn off any decent man is when they have been so soured from years of loving the wrong men and getting chewed up and spit out that you can almost see the venom coming out of them. The ugliness inside comes to the surface and men just avoid them like the plague but there are younger women who are like this as well.

 

Woogle.. the same exact thing could be said about men and aging as well...

[Woggle]

I would agree with everything you say Woggle.

 

The interesting thing is that a lot of venom is coming from the female posters who then turn around and call us woman haters, misogynists when actually, LS is turning into a coven of misandrists.

 

Everyhting is OK is we accept that they are Goddesses(irrespective of age, weight, intelligence, etc) but if we actually state what we truly think you have all these Gloria Steinhem wannabes crawling out from everywhere....

 

This is true but I don't care about being called a misogynist. I consider it a badge of honor to attract their venom.

[Woggle]

Woogle.. the same exact thing could be said about men and aging as well...

 

This is true as well and that is why bitter old men end up alone. With men it is all about demeamor as well. Why do you think George Clooney is still such a sex symbol at his age? It is because of how he carries himself.

[grogster]

There's a nasty subtext running through this Thread. For the most part, this Thread is not about age, gender and attraction. Rather, it's about very nasty posters, presumably male, who enjoy baiting, insulting and attacking other posters, presumably middle-aged females.

 

It has all the earmarks of a coordinated assault,

 

As a guy, I find the peacock display silly, as a poster I find the ageism and sexism disrespectful and as a human being I find their "arrogant bad boy" posturing almost Gay, in a James Dean sort of way.

 

You guys should hop on your scooters and peddle your manly notions of manliness at some Gay forums where I'm sure you'll get all the love, devotion , respect and sex you so richly deserve.

[Jersey Shortie]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'm just pointing out that you are making it sound like men hit 40 and all matters of women want them. Not the case. As I told you before, not one of my friends is dating or has dated anyone in their 40s and would make fun of me when I did. After dating older men, I want someone closer to my own age actually. Whether you want to believe it or not, men in their 40s age and slow down, just like the rest of us humans.

 

 

You are the one ignoring biology.. Are you making the case that it makes biological sense for a man who is 32 to marry a 40 yr old to start a family? Thats what this thread is about. In the reverse, 40 yr old men have no problem having a child with a 32 yr old woman. Sorry.. Thats the biological reality.

 

I never made that case. But if that's the case, I don't see why not. Anymore then a 40 year old man and a 32 year old woman.

 

You need to go back and re-read my posts. The biological fact I made is that men in their 40s have less healthy sperm then men in their 30s. Also, the fact that men slow down sexually as they age is another sign that of what nature desires.

 

American women aren't all about the money? lol I don't think the 40 yr old man who married the hot 30 yr old foreign girl really cares about what the average overweight 45 yr old American chick thinks about his decision. She is just jealous as she is the one that wanted his money, in most cases.

 

Oh please! Grow up! She isn't jealous that some guy had to go oversees to marry some desperate girl who wanted to come to america more then she cared who she came over with. Unfortunetly, there are some things that lower the status of a guy in a woman's eyes. Paying for sex and affection is one of them.

 

Have you ever dated 40 year old men Vonerik? I have. And guess what? they feel the push of age just like anyone else. they are hitting 40 and saying "Yes! I am finally 40". They are saying "**** I am 40 already, where did the time go. **** is that another gray hair?? **** I need to have kids yesterday!"

 

Why would you make jokes about a man marrying a woman from another country? She is not human? You are somehow better than her?

 

This coming from you that puts down anything with a vagina? Man you must have had your heart broken a few times.

 

Men look at just about all women 16 and up. Do they want to marry the 16 yr old?

 

Okay if you are a grown man looking at a 16 year old girl you're a creep.

 

 

You are truly deluded.

It is not my fault if you are in your 40's, possibly out of shape and can't get the younger men you ,possibly, desire.

 

 

Totally uncalled for and nasty. You owe her an aplogoy for your own venom.

 

The interesting thing is that a lot of venom is coming from the female posters who then turn around and call us woman haters, misogynists when actually, LS is turning into a coven of misandrists.

 

You don't see anyone here calling Art Critic a misogynist do you? even though he infact married someone younger then himself. He isn't at all dergoatory to women unlike you and your friend Vonerik.

 

The fact is you are basically telling women they are no good for aging. Well news flash! All women age. So basically what you are saying is that even if a your age or younger woman marries you, in the next few years she will be crap to you anyway because the only thing you like about women is their age and looks! Do you know how hurtful it is to hear that women become less important to men based on their age ? Do you know why it hurts? Did you ever think that women liek being important to men and knowing that their man finds them beautiful and worthy of his affection? Instead, the most important thing to men is something we have no control over. It is something that happens to men themselves! Yet we are told that men think we are less. If you don't think this is going to make women bitter or sad when faced with this cruetly, you're being ridiculous.

 

Teri Hatcher is gorgeous and you condemn her for aging. You would probably sit there and say how much better Paul newman was the older he got but say something as arrogant as say Teri hatcher was a better woman for being younger? Women just can't win can they? Because we are crap apparently to you unless we are 18. And what happens when we aren't 18 anymore? You want to treat us like we are less women for it. Do you know insulting that is to EVERY WOMAN that ever loved her man or raised a family through out the years? Is there no loyatly? Is there no pride in your woman? When it comes to men, the message you are giving many of us ladies that there isn't. And that we can't count very strongly on men to be the kind of honorable men that we want in our lives. And we can't count on men to still consider us beautiful and worthy of their affection because we got older. It's not eve something we control!

 

Butl feel good in the fact. You win. Women loose. Feel better?

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[Balthazar]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'm just pointing out that you are making it sound like men hit 40 and all matters of women want them. Not the case. As I told you before, not one of my friends is dating or has dated anyone in their 40s and would make fun of me when I did. After dating older men, I want someone closer to my own age actually. Whether you want to believe it or not, men in their 40s age and slow down, just like the rest of us humans.

 

 

 

 

I never made that case. But if that's the case, I don't see why not. Anymore then a 40 year old man and a 32 year old woman.

 

You need to go back and re-read my posts. The biological fact I made is that men in their 40s have less healthy sperm then men in their 30s. Also, the fact that men slow down sexually as they age is another sign that of what nature desires.

 

 

 

Oh please! Grow up! She isn't jealous that some guy had to go oversees to marry some desperate girl who wanted to come to america more then she cared who she came over with. Unfortunetly, there are some things that lower the status of a guy in a woman's eyes. Paying for sex and affection is one of them.

 

Have you ever dated 40 year old men Vonerik? I have. And guess what? they feel the push of age just like anyone else. they are hitting 40 and saying "Yes! I am finally 40". They are saying "**** I am 40 already, where did the time go. **** is that another gray hair?? **** I need to have kids yesterday!"

 

 

 

This coming from you that puts down anything with a vagina? Man you must have had your heart broken a few times.

 

 

 

Okay if you are a grown man looking at a 16 year old girl you're a creep.

 

 

 

 

 

Totally uncalled for and nasty. You owe her an aplogoy for your own venom.

 

 

 

You don't see anyone here calling Art Critic a misogynist do you? even though he infact married someone younger then himself. He isn't at all dergoatory to women unlike you and your friend Vonerik.

 

The fact is you are basically telling women they are no good for aging. Well news flash! All women age. So basically what you are saying is that even if a your age or younger woman marries you, in the next few years she will be crap to you anyway because the only thing you like about women is their age and looks! Do you know how hurtful it is to hear that women become less important to men based on their age ? Do you know why it hurts? Did you ever think that women liek being important to men and knowing that their man finds them beautiful and worthy of his affection? Instead, the most important thing to men is something we have no control over. It is something that happens to men themselves! Yet we are told that men think we are less. If you don't think this is going to make women bitter or sad when faced with this cruetly, you're being ridiculous.

 

Teri Hatcher is gorgeous and you condemn her for aging. You would probably sit there and say how much better Paul newman was the older he got but say something as arrogant as say Teri hatcher was a better woman for being younger? Women just can't win can they? Because we are crap apparently to you unless we are 18. And what happens when we aren't 18 anymore? You want to treat us like we are less women for it. Do you know insulting that is to EVERY WOMAN that ever loved her man or raised a family through out the years? Is there no loyatly? Is there no pride in your woman? When it comes to men, the message you are giving many of us ladies that there isn't. And that we can't count very strongly on men to be the kind of honorable men that we want in our lives. And we can't count on men to still consider us beautiful and worthy of their affection because we got older. It's not eve something we control!

 

Butl feel good in the fact. You win. Women loose. Feel better?

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I owe NO apology Jersey, especially to posters who twist everything I say and throw accusations at others with careless abandon.

You obviously haven't read the last 2 pages of this thread.

I DARE you to find any post of mine where I have name-called or accused.

Yet others(CAPRICCIOSA), have done this without remorse.

WHY ARE YOU NOT ASKING CAPRI TO APOLOGISE?

Is this not hypocrisy on your part?

You , Capri and others crashed a thread aimed at men and started dictating which women we should date and find attractive.

 

The way I see it, you are the one that should apologize.

 

As and for Vonerik and myself, we are two posters on LS with similar views, much like Capri,SOSO and yourself.

Do you see me calling you sistas or anything?

 

It is not about winning or losing.

 

It has taken 20 pages of posting, and I still like my women younger and without forked tongues.

 

CHeers,

[soserious1]

Soso, then be alone..

 

Let's say a guy living in the USA is five foot 4. He can pose the same argument. "Why should I have to settle! You are telling me I can't land a younger hot babe? Then I might as well be alone!"

 

Thats life. Then he should lower his standards, or be alone.

 

If you are 45-50, and only will date younger men, then good luck on finding a husband. Life is about compromises, and nobody is entitled to any mate they choose.

 

You obviously are not attracted to older men. So why do you think younger men have to be attracted to you as a life partner?

 

 

Where in any of this have I said that men are not entitled to their preferences? where?

 

Where in any of this have I said I am "entitled" to have any man I choose or that anyone is required to be attracted to me

 

I have said repeatedly that a large part of what is important to me is lifestyle. I'm interested in people who don't want babies, if they have kids I'd prefer it if they were grown or at the very least heading off to college. I'd like someone who's not drowning in debt and who has been single long enough to work thru the issues from his last marriage/divorce.

 

I want to be around men who have something in common with me and I resent you twisting that statement into something terrible.

[Jersey Shortie]

I owe NO apology Jersey, especially to posters who twist everything I say and throw accusations at others with careless abandon.

You obviously haven't read the last 2 pages of this thread.

I DARE you to find any post of mine where I have name-called or accused

 

I qouted what you need to apologize for. You don't need to name call to disrespect someone.

 

You've have your fair share of venom in thsi thread.

 

 

You , Capri and others crashed a thread aimed at men and started dictating which women we should date and find attractive.

 

They are asking for a little respect and the way you are treating them is disgusting. You don't see them getting upset at Art Critic do you? That's because he was able to say his opinion without tearing women down in the process.

 

The way I see it, you are the one that should apologize.

 

Really..what for exactly?

 

 

It is not about winning or losing.

 

It has taken 20 pages of posting, and I still like my women younger and without forked tongues.

 

CHeers,

 

And I like my men that have a healthy perception of women and respect for them and don't replace them based on something that happens to themselves! I have no desire for anyone my father's age contray to what Vonerik and yourself wish for.

[Balthazar]

What I think is gay is to resort to name calling because you don't share the same views with someone.

 

Guys who accuse others of being gay should themselves go to the gay forums they seem familiar with.

[Taramere]

I shall always have fond memories of this thread. "The Prozac Thread". That's what I'm going to call it.

[Lizzie60]

Soso, then be alone..

 

Let's say a guy living in the USA is five foot 4. He can pose the same argument. "Why should I have to settle! You are telling me I can't land a younger hot babe? Then I might as well be alone!"

 

Thats life. Then he should lower his standards, or be alone.

 

If you are 45-50, and only will date younger men, then good luck on finding a husband. Life is about compromises, and nobody is entitled to any mate they choose.

 

You obviously are not attracted to older men. So why do you think younger men have to be attracted to you as a life partner?

 

Who's talking about finding a husband after 45... and who wants to?

[Lizzie60]

There's a nasty subtext running through this Thread. For the most part, this Thread is not about age, gender and attraction. Rather, it's about very nasty posters, presumably male, who enjoy baiting, insulting and attacking other posters, presumably middle-aged females.

 

It has all the earmarks of a coordinated assault,

 

As a guy, I find the peacock display silly, as a poster I find the ageism and sexism disrespectful and as a human being I find their "arrogant bad boy" posturing almost Gay, in a James Dean sort of way.

 

You guys should hop on your scooters and peddle your manly notions of manliness at some Gay forums where I'm sure you'll get all the love, devotion , respect and sex you so richly deserve.

 

 

Sooo well said.. again..

 

I was thinking the same thing about the 'subtext' it's more about 'demeaning' than 'debating' ..

[Shygirl15]

There's something called Freedom of Expression..

 

I think some of us take these comments too personal, really.

[Lizzie60]

Anyho... I've been with a lot more younger men than men my age since I'm 45... so who cares what other people think .. really..

 

I want someone younger so he can push my wheelchair one day..

[grogster]

I shall always have fond memories of this thread. "The Prozac Thread". That's what I'm going to call it.

 

 

Tara, you're insulting Prozac (although I would need to be on Prozac regime were I forced to read every post).

 

This is a "noise" thread where Gresham's Law operates in all its glory: the bad drives out the good, noise drowns out discussion and sexist and ageist ranters attempt to create a hostile message board environment.

 

It's the "Gender Trolls" Thread.

 

Get me directions to JB's island.

[shadowplay]

What I find irritating is the way certain posters in this thread have elected themselves representatives of the entire male gender.

 

Personally, I do not generally find men past their early thirties attractive very often. I know some women do but I'm not one of them. Maybe that will change when I'm older (I'm 25 now).

 

I realize that later in life this will narrow my dating options, but so be it. I know that I'm attractive enough, and take good enough care of my body, that there will always be men who will find me attractive until I'm at least 45. Even if their numbers dwindle, there will still be enough for me to find a suitable mate. Past that age, I will probably be married anyway and won't have to worry about dating.

[soserious1]

There's something called Freedom of Expression..

 

I think some of us take these comments too personal, really.

 

 

Of course you do !