Sassy Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Relationships are not a game. One should have the upper hand, one should be dominated. That is crap. Relationships should be equal. Couldn't agree more with you on that. Maybe you should give some lessons to some of these men on LS!! Link to post Share on other sites
catgirl1927 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I would say that is more how men were viewed in the 50's by women. Good provider ..... stable father......... = money and sperm. This is true. My mother was as traditional as they come, and she only married my father for money, not for love. I personally would rather be with someone who WANTED me rather than NEEDED me, because then I am an option they are choosing. I think women who marry for money are prostitutes. /ducks from the flames Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Relationships should be equal. there is not such thing as a perfectly equal relationship. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 I would say that is more how men were viewed in the 50's by women. Good provider ..... stable father......... = money and sperm. Nowadays fathers should stay out of the kid's life and just write a check every month. This is how feminists view fathers. Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 let's get right down to it, shall we? Feminism again. Man, woggle, no offense but sometimes even I get mad at your mother. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Couldn't agree more with you on that. Maybe you should give some lessons to some of these men on LS!! Most people that I have dealt with that believe that men are superior to woman tend to be stubborn. It scares some men to be equal to woman. I find it amusing. Link to post Share on other sites
catgirl1927 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Myself amd the majority of people fully support equality. I am not getting desfesnive with you. You seem like a reasonable person but I am trying to tell you why I have the views that I do. Feminism has not changed. Go to any college campus and try to talk with some of the feminists and you will see that many of them are even worse than the 70s feminists. In many ways feminism is responsible for the rise of the far right. As much as I despise Bush he is a monster that the far left helped create. Oh honey. Please believe me. Feminism HAS changed. Nut jobs have not. They never will, they will continue to walk around angry and screaming. and we don't like them any more than you do. There has always been extremes on both sides. I'm sorry your mother was so mean to you, but she's not responsible for that. My father was a far right monster LONG before the "far right" became a buzzword. Link to post Share on other sites
catgirl1927 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nowadays fathers should stay out of the kid's life and just write a check every month. This is how feminists view fathers. Ok, if they are feminists, they shouldn't take money from a man! Your mother isn't a feminist. I'm sorry, she's just a bitch, sounds like. Link to post Share on other sites
Sassy Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nowadays fathers should stay out of the kid's life and just write a check every month. This is how feminists view fathers. You know sometimes that might be the best thing. The mother does more than the father anyway .. I think that if the man would help out with things more and give each other more emotionally than there would be fewer divorces. More communication Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 there is not such thing as a perfectly equal relationship. In terms of who brings more money home, it is not equal but you can have a good, healthy, balanced relationship with out having to dominate your S.O. It has happened before. Its not impossible. Link to post Share on other sites
Sassy Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Most people that I have dealt with that believe that men are superior to woman tend to be stubborn. It scares some men to be equal to woman. I find it amusing. Your right because if they make themselves equal to them then they think that makes a wimp and they a MAN . They gotta have the upper hand and that isn't a marriage. Link to post Share on other sites
justagirliegirl Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 From your previous posts I would not say you grew up with a feminist mother. She is a female with some serious mental issues who proclaims herself as a feminist. Huge huge difference. This woman obviously abused you, that is terrible but it does not make other women evil or ready to hurt you. I so hope you have looked into resolving this. You keep coming back to it over and over in your posts. My own mother was a raving lunatic psycho bitch. Thus my extraction from her life....... and I think my life is grand with the exception of current relationship problem..... but you have got to resolve it to really move on. Agreed, and if there isn't some resolution to this, it will keep manifesting itself in relationships. Link to post Share on other sites
catgirl1927 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 In terms of who brings more money home, it is not equal but you can have a good, healthy, balanced relationship with out having to dominate your S.O. It has happened before. Its not impossible. You can, because I make more money and I have equality. We make decisions together, it doesn't matter whose paycheck it came from. Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 You know sometimes that might be the best thing. The mother does more than the father anyway .. I think that if the man would help out with things more and give each other more emotionally than there would be fewer divorces. More communication Yeah RIGHT, sassy. When my parents discussed divorce when I was little my sisters and I begged to be with my Dad. he made up breakfasta nd lunch, drove us to and from school, chaperoned field trips, picked us up when we were sick. He did all the caretaking. My Mom worked, cooked and disciplined, that was it. My Dad even did all the cleaning. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 Oh honey. Please believe me. Feminism HAS changed. Nut jobs have not. They never will, they will continue to walk around angry and screaming. and we don't like them any more than you do. There has always been extremes on both sides. I'm sorry your mother was so mean to you, but she's not responsible for that. My father was a far right monster LONG before the "far right" became a buzzword. Truthfully I am sick of the far right and the far left. Communist nations and Islamic theocracies are the worst places to live and since the far left embraces socialism and the far right embraces a christian theocracy both of their agendas scare me. I think the extremists are the reason that many strong and independent women refuse to call themselves feminist. Link to post Share on other sites
Sassy Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 You can, because I make more money and I have equality. We make decisions together, it doesn't matter whose paycheck it came from. That is a marriage to be on the same page with everything no matter who brings home the bacon it is the family's ... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 You know sometimes that might be the best thing. The mother does more than the father anyway .. I think that if the man would help out with things more and give each other more emotionally than there would be fewer divorces. More communication This is exactly the type of mentality that feminism has fostered. Go to any ghetto in America and see what fatherlessness on a massive scale does to boys. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 but you can have a good, healthy, balanced relationship with out having to dominate your S.O. It has happened before. Its not impossible. WTF are you talking about? look around you and observe, listen, use your eyes. In almost every relationship between two people (parent/child, boss/employee, man/woman, etc...) their is one person who is more dominant and one more submissive. WTF planet are you living on where every relation ship is equal? WTF! Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 You can, because I make more money and I have equality. We make decisions together, it doesn't matter whose paycheck it came from. Thank you! Testimony from individuals who have healthy equal relationships. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 I have a fully equal relationship with my fiance. She is a very strong woman but if you ask her if she is a feminist she will say no. Link to post Share on other sites
catgirl1927 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I think the extremists are the reason that many strong and independent women refuse to call themselves feminist. Except for me, who goes around preaching they are misusing the word! I'm probably fighting a losing battle. Any extreme is dangerous, I think. And simplistic. Smart people can deal with grey areas... Link to post Share on other sites
justagirliegirl Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Most people that I have dealt with that believe that men are superior to woman tend to be stubborn. It scares some men to be equal to woman. I find it amusing. What are they so afraid of? Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 WTF are you talking about? look around you and observe, listen, use your eyes. In almost every relationship between two people (parent/child, boss/employee, man/woman, etc...) their is one person who is more dominant and one more submissive. WTF planet are you living on where every relation ship is equal? WTF! You must have difficulty reading today....I never said that EVERY relationship is equal. I am not the one to generalize everything into one category. I know that each and every relationship is different. You can not say that a majority is one way or the other. You have no idea. All that you can do is give your opinion on your life experiences. You don't speak for everyone and eveyone's opinion on here. We all know and deal with many different people who are part of or have been part of a relationship. Link to post Share on other sites
catgirl1927 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 That is a marriage to be on the same page with everything no matter who brings home the bacon it is the family's ... We're not married. We're just shacking up right now . We'll get married sometime in the next year, before we start trying to get pregnant. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Woggle Posted March 17, 2006 Author Share Posted March 17, 2006 Except for me, who goes around preaching they are misusing the word! I'm probably fighting a losing battle. Any extreme is dangerous, I think. And simplistic. Smart people can deal with grey areas... I hate to say but I think there is no redeeming that word. The swaztika used to actually have a positive image before Hitler but there is no reforming that image now, I think it might be the same thing with the word feminist. Link to post Share on other sites
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