kaylan Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Lol @ women with implants. Lack of self confidence and getting fake body parts is totally unattractive. Want better breasts? Hit the gym or just deal with what god gave ya. I like women who put real work into looking good, not spending cash on shortcuts.
Star Gazer Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 There's nothing inconsistent with the broader definition of materialism I gave and the above. The narrower more common definition of materialism is a subset of the broader. But to answer your question directly, I find that women who tend towards purely cosmetic plastic surgery don't just stop at the implants, there will usually be lipo, botox, facelifts, down the road, outrageously expensive hair coloring and styling (all remarkably the same shade of blonde IME), a look I simply don't like. Moreover, they also tend towards expensive designer shoes and clothing, wanting a McMansion, gas hog cars, expensive gourmet food, country clubs, etc., and aren't compatible with my lifestyle or goals generally. I've dated maybe 20 of them over the years, for some reason this type seeks me out. I remember one of them just having to go get botox before our weekend date, an extreme example, but enough of those similar experiences are reasonable for me to form a preference to date women without purely cosmetic breast implants. Believe me, these days they get nexted long before the implants become an issue. As I said before, they are likely compatible with someone, lots of men love the type and the look, just not me. If I meet and date a woman who is in tune with my POV and lifestyle in most important ways and has purely cosmetic implants, I may change my tune, but have never met nor dated one. You didn't answer my question. You said women with "constant body issues" who had (in your eyes) "perfectly fine breasts" who get implants are materialistic. On the other hand, you said that women who got implants "due to imbalance, small size, sports & exercise, disease, undue sag, etc., didn't feel they looked feminine or good in clothes" were "no problem at all." So, it's the women with "constant body issues" aka some sort of body dysmorphia who are materialistic. Please explain how someone with "constant body issues" is "materialistic," whereas as woman who "doesn't feel good in clothes" are "no problem at all." This is the first time in the 7 years I've had my boobs that I've ever heard someone relate a type of BDD to materialism. So, can you please explain?
FitChick Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Lack of self confidence and getting fake body parts is totally unattractive. Does that apply to men with penile implants? I wonder how fake they look.
TheBigQuestion Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 I find it funny when guys talk about women's bodies like they "can tell" by this, that, or the other. A good boob job is hard to detect. I'm telling you. My boobs move/bounce a LOT. I'm telling you, you wouldn't be able to tell. That said: I don't see what the problem would be with asking, so long as there's some rapport there and she's not a near stranger. If she asks why you're asking, tell her you can't tell. She should be flattered. If they're real, the implication is that they're so awesome and perfect you thought they were enhanced. If she has implants, she'll know she got a great result with her doctor because you thought they might be real. It's a win-win, IMO. Yep. I agree it's a win-win. I also didn't say you can tell what breasts are real and fake at all times, but there are some variables that make it easier to do so.
Star Gazer Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 A woman can get bigger, better breasts at the gym? Not.
TheBigQuestion Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Does that apply to men with penile implants? I wonder how fake they look. They don't function particularly well are and far, far more dangerous than breast implants as well.
dasein Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 So, it's the women with "constant body issues" aka some sort of body dysmorphia who are materialistic. Ah, so body issues necessarily equate to BDD? No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Unreasonable, (as in irrational emotional issue related) body issues stem from problematic insecurities in the same way that luxury addiction does IME. Certain women I have dated -never- look good enough to be content, and those types also will -never- be content with any normal level of luxury or things in their lives. The two go hand-in-hand. Answered, and if you don't think so, tired of trying to answer you. Second, women who have a reasonable issue with their breasts, as in the types I listed, are seeking plastic surgery as a response to a reasonable body insecurity.
dasein Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Does that apply to men with penile implants? I wonder how fake they look. Are there purely cosmetic penile implants? If so I want a ribbed one with lots of knobs on it (for her pleasure). I thought penile implants were necessary for sexual function, breast implants certainly aren't.
kaylan Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) A woman can get bigger, better breasts at the gym? Not. Gain a little weight to add fatty tissue to the breasts. Then hit the gym to perk up the breasts by working the muscles underneath. I respect that more than a chick going under the knife taking the easy and lame way out. The right diet and workout regimen can do a whole lot to a persons body. Insecure lazy folks simply get breast, pec, and butt implants since they dont want to try and put in any real work. Does that apply to men with penile implants? I wonder how fake they look. Id apply that to all implants that do nothing to help with a body function. Getting a penile implant just to look bigger is dumb. But if a guy got one of those pump implants because he has ED, thats a different story. He has a legit medical condition. Teeth are another thing...Dental implants are fine in my opinion since having good chompers makes eating easier and bad teeth are painful if one has cavities. You also get the benefit of looking good. This would be different from botox which serves no helpful functional purpose. I actually think lipo is fine too if someone is going to keep the weight off and be healthy. So you get what Im saying here about particular surgeries. They don't function particularly well are and far, far more dangerous than breast implants as well. This. Dudes run the risk of ED if they get implants to make themselves bigger. Dudes with ED who get the pump implant, get an entirely different procedure though. Edited April 20, 2012 by kaylan
Star Gazer Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Ah, so body issues necessarily equate to BDD? No. Please don't put words in my mouth. Unreasonable, (as in irrational emotional issue related) body issues stem from problematic insecurities in the same way that luxury addiction does IME. Certain women I have dated -never- look good enough to be content, and those types also will -never- be content with any normal level of luxury or things in their lives. The two go hand-in-hand. Answered, and if you don't think so, tired of trying to answer you. Second, women who have a reasonable issue with their breasts, as in the types I listed, are seeking plastic surgery as a response to a reasonable body insecurity. "Constant unreasonable body issues" smacks of BDD to me. But whatever. What constitutes a "reasonable body insecurity" versus an "unreasonable body issue"? Whether or not YOU think their breasts were perfectly fine to begin with? (That's what you said: If she had B-cups and then got implants, she's materialistic.) There are so many pefectly emotionally healthy women of all ages walking around with implants who men never know they even have them (because they aren't told and/or aren't ever intimate with them): your coworkers, fellow students, politicians, your attorney or doctor, your friends' mom/wife/GF, etc. It's hysterical to see men judge such women in such a negative fashion. If penile implants or height-increasing surgeries were as mundane and relatively safe as breast augmentation, you can bet just as many men would be getting those surgeries. I get it though. Women have makeup and hair-color and boob jobs and manicures and all these things to enhance their appearance, and men...well, they haven't got much. It's just strange that the gross majority of people looking down on women for trying to make themselves feel better and sexier are men. At least on LS. Ive never received a complaint about what's underneath my bra.
dasein Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) (That's what you said: If she had B-cups and then got implants, she's materialistic.) Nope what I said paraphrased was if she had a B cup or larger before watch out for other signs of materialism. Not the same thing. Look, it's possible that you and I live in different cultures where these things are concerned. IIRC you are in California? where purely cosmetic plastic surgery may be an accepted general staple of female appearance. It most certainly is not here where I am. It is thought vain, so women who do it here for purely cosmetic reasons often have serious underlying insecurities and emotional issues that drive them to get implants regardless of a disapproving culture. There may indeed be many completely well adjusted women walking around in Cali with breast implants. I don't live there nor date there. Edited April 20, 2012 by dasein
RedRobin Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Lol @ women with implants. Lack of self confidence and getting fake body parts is totally unattractive. Want better breasts? Hit the gym or just deal with what god gave ya. I like women who put real work into looking good, not spending cash on shortcuts. I don't think most guys would toss these ladies out of bed for eatin' crackers. Fetish Friday: Our Favorite Flat-Chested Females | Complex However, most of these women are not as flat as my sis and HS friend were. Nor do they have the beautiful faces of these ladies. You are welcome to like what you like, Kaylan... but most men are not attracted to women with A cups and under. And my sis and friend didn't enjoy having whole parts of their bodies basically dismissed, ignored, or ridiculed. All of that changed after they got theirs enhanced. If I knew a guy and he had a d*ck the size of my pinky finger (and I know of a couple, no kidding), I'd recommend he go under the knife too. Sometimes it just isn't worth worrying about. Just take care of it and move on.
kaylan Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) Id take a natural woman with A cups, over fake breast ANY day. A lot of guys would agree as well. A lot of guys dont like what fake breasts can mean about someone. The idea of being with someone who goes under the knife to be fake and something they really arent is not appealing to everyone. Its one thing to see it in porn or movies, but it doesnt mean dudes respect it more. If your sis and her friend feel good about their implants, then good for them...but Im sure plenty of dudes were merely only interested cause they wanted to get a piece from them. Breasts arent going to find them a decent man. And some dudes will put a girl into a certain category and use her for pump and dump if they feel she does something vain and materialistic as theyd not wanna date such a woman. Thats the vibe plastic surgery gives off to some people. PS - People need to stop comparing the penis to breasts. People always do it and they dont compare. Breasts dont affect sexual enjoyment the way the penis does. Also functional penis implants are merely a pipedream. Dudes dont really go under the knife to get a bigger penis because they dont come out with anything that functions or looks well. Edited April 20, 2012 by kaylan
RedRobin Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Id take a natural woman with A cups, over fake breast ANY day. A lot of guys would agree as well. A lot of guys dont like what fake breasts can mean about someone. The idea of being with someone who goes under the knife to be fake and something they really arent is not appealing to everyone. Its one thing to see it in porn or movies, but it doesnt mean dudes respect it more. If your sis and her friend feel good about their implants, then good for them...but Im sure plenty of dudes were merely only interested cause they wanted to get a piece from them. Breasts arent going to find them a decent man. And some dudes will put a girl into a certain category and use her for pump and dump if they feel she does something vain and materialistic as theyd not wanna date such a woman. Thats the vibe plastic surgery gives off to some people. PS - People need to stop comparing the penis to breasts. People always do it and they dont compare. Breasts dont affect sexual enjoyment the way the penis does. Also functional penis implants are merely a pipedream. Dudes dont really go under the knife to get a bigger penis because they dont come out with anything that functions or looks well. They are both in happy relationships. About the pump and dump... not sure why that would be 'justified' just because of their choice to have implants. You use this term alot, Kaylan. 'Pump and dump', I mean. Like it's ok to do that. I don't think it is acceptable behavior, personally. Those men are much more 'sick' in my mind than any woman who chooses implants. At least the implants are something they did to their own bodies... and not someone else's. Using people to pump and dump is pretty heinous behavior. I wish you'd dispense with that term. It doesn't reflect well on you. I don't know what it is like to have a penis, and you don't know what it is like to have breasts. I'll leave it at that.
Star Gazer Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Nope what I said paraphrased was if she had a B cup or larger before watch out for other signs of materialism. Not the same thing. Look, it's possible that you and I live in different cultures where these things are concerned. IIRC you are in California? where purely cosmetic plastic surgery may be an accepted general staple of female appearance. It most certainly is not here where I am. It is thought vain, so women who do it here for purely cosmetic reasons often have serious underlying insecurities and emotional issues that drive them to get implants regardless of a disapproving culture. There may indeed be many completely well adjusted women walking around in Cali with breast implants. I don't live there nor date there. Yes, I'm in California. We are a hell of a lot more open-minded and less judgmental here than many other parts of the country/world. 1
Star Gazer Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Kaylan's incendiary language about women with breast implants is highly suspect, IMO.
kaylan Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) Yes, I'm in California. We are a hell of a lot more open-minded and less judgmental here than many other parts of the country/world. Proposition 8 disagrees. Nice try, but Cali is still pretty damn close-minded.They are both in happy relationships. About the pump and dump... not sure why that would be 'justified' just because of their choice to have implants. You use this term alot, Kaylan. 'Pump and dump', I mean. Like it's ok to do that. I don't think it is acceptable behavior, personally. Those men are much more 'sick' in my mind than any woman who chooses implants. At least the implants are something they did to their own bodies... and not someone else's. Using people to pump and dump is pretty heinous behavior. I wish you'd dispense with that term. It doesn't reflect well on you. I don't know what it is like to have a penis, and you don't know what it is like to have breasts. I'll leave it at that. Never said it was justified. Im saying thats how people work. They make assumptions and then act based on those assumptions. Ive had girls try and use me in the past because they assumed I was something I wasnt. It is what it is. You roll with it and show people different. And dont even try and say I use the term pump and dump a lot. Almost every freaking person on this forum uses that term. I hear plenty of women here say it. And I hardly ever use it really. I basically used the term to describe a behavior. Never said it was an ok thing to do. So please excuse yourself and not put words in my mouth. Anyone who uses someone for sex when the other person wants more is definitely mean. If two people choose to pump and dump one another, I see no problem. Either way, I dont care what some anonymous girl on a forum thinks about what terms I use. How about you go on a crusade against the multitude of posters who use it as well. Its not one type of person using the term either. I dont know what its like to have breasts, but its a dumb thing to compare it to a penis. Very small penis = intercourse not getting women off. Very small breasts = man can still get off because his penis is in her vagina. So like I said before, people need to stop the silly comparison. It fails. Lastly, I stand by how I feel about women who get plastic surgery. Its unattractive to me because it seems insecure, it shows a lack of confidence and is sometimes just an easy way out from doing hard work. Edited April 21, 2012 by kaylan
RedRobin Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) Why did I mention that comment? Well, because I expect more out of you Kaylan. I'm disappointed in you, but no big deal. As for the other parts, being ridiculed by perfect strangers I think is enough for most people to want to take action about it. There is no amount of 'hard work' that is going to make a woman's breasts bigger. In fact... hard work usually makes them smaller or entirely non-existent. Maybe you (as a man) wouldn't care if half of her body was basically non-existent as long as they had a functioning vagina. Most women would disagree that they want half of their body to be non-existent. When my mom had breast cancer and had to have a radical mastectomy, she also got implants. You gonna tell me she should have been dumped by my dad? (who, by the way, supported her decision either way). Or that she was insecure, didn't want to do the hard work, etc? FYI... I've known women who had extremely large breasts from a young age go under the knife to avoid being stigmatized too. Noone likes to feel like a freak. Whether you like it or not, breasts are something many women associate with femininity. Some are able to get past it. Some aren't. Seeing what my friends and family have gone through, I'm not going to begrudge them. Edited April 21, 2012 by RedRobin 2
joystickd Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 Why did I mention that comment? Well, because I expect more out of you Kaylan. I'm disappointed in you, but no big deal. As for the other parts, being ridiculed by perfect strangers I think is enough for most people to want to take action about it. There is no amount of 'hard work' that is going to make a woman's breasts bigger. In fact... hard work usually makes them smaller or entirely non-existent. Maybe you (as a man) wouldn't care if half of her body was basically non-existent as long as they had a functioning vagina. Most women would disagree that they want half of their body to be non-existent. When my mom had breast cancer and had to have a radical mastectomy, she also got implants. You gonna tell me she should have been dumped by my dad? (who, by the way, supported her decision either way). Or that she was insecure, didn't want to do the hard work, etc? FYI... I've known women who had extremely large breasts from a young age go under the knife to avoid being stigmatized too. Noone likes to feel like a freak. Whether you like it or not, breasts are something many women associate with femininity. Some are able to get past it. Some aren't. Seeing what my friends and family have gone through, I'm not going to begrudge them. Correction some men like anything with a vagina not all. There are lots that have standards 1
kaylan Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) Why did I mention that comment? Well, because I expect more out of you Kaylan. I'm disappointed in you, but no big deal. Oh no....woe is me As for the other parts, being ridiculed by perfect strangers I think is enough for most people to want to take action about it. You thought wrong. Some people dont care want strangers think, especially anonymous internet folks. I care about the opinions of family and friends, not strangers. There is no amount of 'hard work' that is going to make a woman's breasts bigger. In fact... hard work usually makes them smaller or entirely non-existent. Maybe you (as a man) wouldn't care if half of her body was basically non-existent as long as they had a functioning vagina. Most women would disagree that they want half of their body to be non-existent.Oh jeez...I meant work in terms of putting in effort to make a change. You can get bigger breasts and perkier breasts by gaining some weight and then working your chest muscles. Its possible and worth a try. If a chick cant manage to make her breasts bigger without it affecting other areas of her body, then Id respect her more for accepting who she is and being sexy as god made her. Either way, it still doesnt compare to a penis. So like I said its a dumb comparison. A functioning penis is equivalent to a functioning vagina when it comes to sexual enjoyment for the opposite sex. Give me a confident flat chested girl any day. Id love the hell out of her whole body if I found her sexy to begin with. When my mom had breast cancer and had to have a radical mastectomy, she also got implants. You gonna tell me she should have been dumped by my dad? (who, by the way, supported her decision either way). Or that she was insecure, didn't want to do the hard work, etc?Thats different. Learn to read the responses in this thread because Ive touched on this already. Getting purely cosmetic surgeries that have nothing to do with a medical condition or making a body function better is what I said was stupid. So dont compare insecure silly women to your mom who actually had a life threatening disease. You minimize your moms situation when you do that. FYI... I've known women who had extremely large breasts from a young age go under the knife to avoid being stigmatized too. Thats equally stupid. Why go under the knife because of what you want people to think? Only go under the knife if its for a medical condition or to help your body function better. Women who get breast reductions tend to do so to cure back problems. Noone likes to feel like a freak. Whether you like it or not, breasts are something many women associate with femininity. Some are able to get past it. Some aren't. Seeing what my friends and family have gone through, I'm not going to begrudge them.I only begrudge the ones who did it for purely superficial reasons. So sue me. A woman can still be feminine no matter what her breast size is. Which is why I say it doesnt compare to the penis. A woman can still be feminine and pleasure men during intercourse no matter what her breast size is. Penis size is more indicative of masculinity then breasts are of femininity because of what a penis means to a womens enjoyment of intercourse. But like I said, I dont respect plastic surgery for the sake of pure cosmetics. There are other ways to be sexy and reach a goal. Edited April 21, 2012 by kaylan
TheBigQuestion Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 My girlfriend actually talks about wanting to get breast implants in the not-so-distant future. She's a B cup so I don't quite get it, but I also don't encourage or discourage it either way. It's pretty much the only insecurity that she has that's related to her body, and given just how messed up most women are in that department, I thank my lucky stars that it's the only thing she sometimes gets uneasy about. 1
dasein Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 less judgmental here Will try to keep that in mind next time I'm in LA. 1
TheBigQuestion Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 Will try to keep that in mind next time I'm in LA. Yeah, that's pretty laughable. Southern California is just about the most artificial, superficial and judgmental place on Earth. Probably why so many women there feel compelled to get breast implants in the first place.
RedRobin Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 Oh no....woe is me You thought wrong. Some people dont care want strangers think, especially anonymous internet folks. I care about the opinions of family and friends, not strangers. Oh jeez...I meant work in terms of putting in effort to make a change. You can get bigger breasts and perkier breasts by gaining some weight and then working your chest muscles. Its possible and worth a try. If a chick cant manage to make her breasts bigger without it affecting other areas of her body, then Id respect her more for accepting who she is and being sexy as god made her. Either way, it still doesnt compare to a penis. So like I said its a dumb comparison. A functioning penis is equivalent to a functioning vagina when it comes to sexual enjoyment for the opposite sex. Give me a confident flat chested girl any day. Id love the hell out of her whole body if I found her sexy to begin with. Thats different. Learn to read the responses in this thread because Ive touched on this already. Getting purely cosmetic surgeries that have nothing to do with a medical condition or making a body function better is what I said was stupid. So dont compare insecure silly women to your mom who actually had a life threatening disease. You minimize your moms situation when you do that. Thats equally stupid. Why go under the knife because of what you want people to think? Only go under the knife if its for a medical condition or to help your body function better. Women who get breast reductions tend to do so to cure back problems. I only begrudge the ones who did it for purely superficial reasons. So sue me. A woman can still be feminine no matter what her breast size is. Which is why I say it doesnt compare to the penis. A woman can still be feminine and pleasure men during intercourse no matter what her breast size is. Penis size is more indicative of masculinity then breasts are of femininity because of what a penis means to a womens enjoyment of intercourse. But like I said, I dont respect plastic surgery for the sake of pure cosmetics. There are other ways to be sexy and reach a goal. I appreciate your love of all things natural. However, my mother didn't feel very feminine after losing her breasts. For some women who have no breasts, it is the same. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with them either. I'm very glad when women of all sizes find a way to be happy with what they were born with. Anyway, I get the impression (maybe I'm wrong) that you've never been in a relationship with a flat-chested woman. You say you'd 'love the hell' out of her...likely in the theoretical is my bet. Your discussion about gaining weight so she can have boobs is also ridiculous. Yea, become overweight so they can have boobs for you. That sounds like a healthy choice. You don't have breasts, yet you continue to talk like you do. But back to my mom's situation... Unless you've helped care for someone with cancer (who got it relatively young), your opinions about what is 'minimizing' are also uninformed.
RedRobin Posted April 21, 2012 Posted April 21, 2012 Correction some men like anything with a vagina not all. There are lots that have standards I don't think I've ever met or heard of a flat chested black woman unless she was very underweight to the point of being emaciated. Seriously. Even Jackie-Joiner Kersee (about as muscular as they come) still had boobs. I also observe that a woman being a bit heavier is also more accepted by black men.
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