What happened to Life is not Fair and not all things Equal.

[Cypress25]

Abortion was just one example. The point is, women are already having their rights taken away, right here in the US. Yes, it's worse in some other countries, but it's also better in some other countries.

 

xoxoDaniellexoxo - States that have passed laws restricting access to birth control and abortion include Mississippi, Arizona, Nebraska, Tennessee, Missouri, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia, and South Dakota. One such law would allow women who have a miscarriage to be charged with homicide. And let's not forget a certain political party's attempt to shut down Planned Parenthood, which would leave millions of women without access to birth control, STD testing and treatment, cancer screenings, and prenatal care.

 

Not to politicize this thread, but women are not treated like gold in this country. Far from it. I'm grateful for everything we have, but a lot of our rights are being seriously threatened right now.

[xoxoDaniellexoxo]

Abortion was just one example. The point is, women are already having their rights taken away, right here in the US. Yes, it's worse in some other countries, but it's also better in some other countries.

 

xoxoDaniellexoxo - States that have passed laws restricting access to birth control and abortion include Mississippi, Arizona, Nebraska, Tennessee, Missouri, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia, and South Dakota. One such law would allow women who have a miscarriage to be charged with homicide. And let's not forget a certain political party's attempt to shut down Planned Parenthood, which would leave millions of women without access to birth control, STD testing and treatment, cancer screenings, and prenatal care.

 

Not to politicize this thread, but women are not treated like gold in this country. Far from it. I'm grateful for everything we have, but a lot of our rights are being seriously threatened right now.

 

I will not mention the party by name nor will I get into a political discussion with everyone, because everyone has a choice and politics are a heated topic not fit for LS. It is sad though because women worked so hard for these rights and now they are trying to take them away! All I have to say is if they carried a baby for 9 months and had to get a visitor every month they wouldn't be so quick to shut it down.

[AHardDaysNight]

Things will never be equal. There are just too many differences between the genders.

[AlexDP]

lol

 

thing is, all men want that "vagina" so we can afford to act whatever way we want. women have the upper hand by the virtue of being a woman. since men want and need sex way more desperately (on average) than women, you can go off on your rant about how women shouldn't be on a pedestal but the reality is that women are catered to just because we look good and are able to get a man's d*** hard. i'm talking about really gorgeous, stunning, hot women, not the average plain jane. men in heat can be really fun to watch, how they bend over backwards just to please a woman in hopes of getting a little nookie. why do you think so many men whine about taking a woman out to dinner and getting nothin in return, a.k.a. sex. the whole pua community is dedicated to losers getting women to sleep with them. men want that vagina. they might think like you, that women shouldn't be on a pedestal just cos we have a vagina, but fact is that that is merely frustration speaking out of you because men need sex.

 

 

thank god i have a hot boyfriend that i have a mutual, equal relationship with, so i don't have to take part in the whole dating circus anymore.

 

I have an absolutely gorgeous girlfriend, I am nowhere near frustrated. And while I have a girlfriend I am very happy with, I'm also a pretty goodlooking guy and I am usually the one who rejects women, not the other way around. So is this frustration speaking? No, it's not.

 

More importantly though, I've come to realise that this is how many women think. It's funny to watch what happens when they realise they do not hold this sexual power over you. Suddenly it's them bending over backwards. I'd never cater to a woman, just because I'd want to have sex with her.

 

If there's a girl I want sex with, we'll go out and do something fun, usually inexpensive. If I end up liking her, I kiss her and then we go from there. No way I'm paying for a fancy dinner in the hopes of getting sex. That is just plain stupid.

[rafallus]

If I end up liking her, I kiss her and then we go from there. No way I'm paying for a fancy dinner in the hopes of getting sex. That is just plain stupid.

Indeed.

 

Paying, if it happens, is just a fancy bonus, and not a clou of the problem.

 

I've never ever as much as heard of, let alone met, a woman, who works like:

 

"OMG, you paid for my dinner, that makes me sooooo horny! **** me, **** me now!"

 

If you want sex, you stimulate other person physically. Don't use screwdriver to drive a nail through a wall (or a hammer to fasten a screw).

Edited August 15, 2011 by rafallus

[sally4sara]

Things will never be equal. There are just too many differences between the genders.

 

Are you equal in ability and talent to all the people who share your gender? Are you equal to say.....Jimmy Carter? Can you fly into N Korea and get that government to release an imprisoned US citizen? Are you equal to Eddie Van Halen at playing the guitar or equal to Prince at any of the 7 instruments he knows how to play?

 

There are just too many differences between people for us all to be equal at any one thing but we should all be equal in our rights no matter what our differences may be.

[Disillusioned]

It is funny all men think women want to marry them just because she is having sex with them.

 

Not in Los Angeles! This town is the exception to the rule. 99% of single women in L.A. are terrified of commitment.

[donnamaybe]

I have an absolutely gorgeous girlfriend, I am nowhere near frustrated. And while I have a girlfriend I am very happy with, I'm also a pretty goodlooking guy and I am usually the one who rejects women, not the other way around. So is this frustration speaking? No, it's not.

 

More importantly though, I've come to realise that this is how many women think. It's funny to watch what happens when they realise they do not hold this sexual power over you. Suddenly it's them bending over backwards. I'd never cater to a woman, just because I'd want to have sex with her.

 

If there's a girl I want sex with, we'll go out and do something fun, usually inexpensive. If I end up liking her, I kiss her and then we go from there. No way I'm paying for a fancy dinner in the hopes of getting sex. That is just plain stupid.

 

You have to understand, though, that some women can't date a guy with any measure of self esteem lest he shatter her self imposed delusions of grandeur.

[grkBoy]

Is this the new locker room talk and male norm. Everything between males and females has to be equal? Is this realistic? Or is it simply the new Man Nag or Boy-bitch?

I have never heard so much heckling by men, that because a woman wishes to be treated like a lady, she has some duty to clean, cook, iron, and take punches for their man, wear the pants in the relationship, and work to boot.

 

I understand what you're getting at, but for men the push for equality in the workplace, money, etc...has only made a world where women hold the advantage. So they get the big jobs (or better), get paid equally (or better), but yet when it comes to dating...women still demand things stay "traditional".

 

So suddenly she justifies the $100 at the hair salon, $200 on a dress, gym membership, $5000 boob job, and money for cosmetics as the reason "why" the man must not only take on all the risk of approaching, asking out, and paying for dating; but this man must also make more money than her and thus make a world for her where she can quit her job at any time to be a SAHM...but if she chooses to keep on working then they must both pay for maids/nannies.

 

The reality is when "girl power" grew in the past, many women ended up with an extreme sense of entitlement. Now I'm NOT speaking of the women here, because I still believe the spoiled brats would not ever put themselves someplace where their misguided beliefs can be attacked. I'm simply saying though that many women now expect to be entitled to "have it all". They want the house, kids, good earning husband who looks phenomenal and can f**k like a pornstar...but she also wants her career, kids, and full support for her dreams.

 

Men first tried to play along, but in our divorce culture where women generally get the upper hand, men grew tired of it. Not to mention the lack of "upper echelon" males, thus leading to true instances of the contested "80/20 rule". The "20" simply see they can get laid easily and will have loads of options available, so they simply choose to remain single. Meanwhile the "80" end up either alone, settled on, or even just find someone by the women who simply never got off on the "20" or "came around".

 

In any case, this is what led guys to their frustration. I see plenty of women get into their circles and bash men like crazy, or even some areas of the media bash on men, but play the victim card when women get bashed on. Add to this the growing amount of men who are apprehensive on marriage now and you get more division among the genders.

 

How does this change? Many men do need to "get a clue". I'm taking about the ones who endlessly complain about how women reject them, but they clearly have many big red flags they won't address.

 

However, women also need to change. The woman who worked her butt off to become a high-paid career woman and at the same time keeps herself gorgeous through exercise and such might have to rethink her selection criteria in men if she's not landing such guys. So if she feels like hot 7-figure earning alpha males are only "worthy" of her, then she shouldn't complain when she sees all those guys chase "young, hot, and slutty" over her...and they all speak of how they'll never marry.

 

Women here can deny it, but I see way many more women out in the world carrying selection criteria that only a small percentile of the men can actually fulfill. These women all fell into the "I'm so worth it" thinking pushed by third-wave feminism and lipstick feminism, but can't seem to understand why they only meet guys they don't like. I see plenty of women now who have been played, abused, mistreated, and knocked up by every guy they thought was "worthy" that they now get into their 30s happy enough just to meet a halfway decent guy who won't be a jerk.

 

The reality is both genders need to change. Equality means now that men can't be bland looking and average while women are pushed to be "hot". it also means though women have to take more charge of their love lives, get rid of a lot of the old traditions, and even rethink what is a "worthy man".

 

Like the successful career woman might end up marrying the lowly-paid male teacher who is very romantic, charming, and makes her laugh...rather than hope for a CEO who hits the gym every day.

[Feelsgoodman]

Break out of what role. I love being a woman. I love every aspect of being the fairer sex. I do not wish to be treated like a man, nor do I wish to scratch my balls, and push them back to sit down comfortably. Mutual respect is great, but demanding men and women to be completely even is too radical and feminist for my taste.

If you love every aspect of being the "fairer sex", why are you complaining about cooking, cleaning, ironing and other "fairer sex" duties? Sounds like YOU are the nag/b*tch.

[donnamaybe]

If you love every aspect of being the "fairer sex", why are you complaining about cooking, cleaning, ironing and other "fairer sex" duties? Sounds like YOU are the nag/b*tch.

 

All taking and no giving is never attractive.

 

I know of a gal who, when she was younger, would only date men with a high bank balance. She is now in her 50's and alone. I hope those memories of the few trips she was able to squeeze out of the rich guys keep her warm at night.

[LoveandSuch]

I understand what you're getting at, but for men the push for equality in the workplace, money, etc...has only made a world where women hold the advantage. So they get the big jobs (or better), get paid equally (or better), but yet when it comes to dating...women still demand things stay "traditional".

 

So suddenly she justifies the $100 at the hair salon, $200 on a dress, gym membership, $5000 boob job, and money for cosmetics as the reason "why" the man must not only take on all the risk of approaching, asking out, and paying for dating; but this man must also make more money than her and thus make a world for her where she can quit her job at any time to be a SAHM...but if she chooses to keep on working then they must both pay for maids/nannies.

 

The reality is when "girl power" grew in the past, many women ended up with an extreme sense of entitlement. Now I'm NOT speaking of the women here, because I still believe the spoiled brats would not ever put themselves someplace where their misguided beliefs can be attacked. I'm simply saying though that many women now expect to be entitled to "have it all". They want the house, kids, good earning husband who looks phenomenal and can f**k like a pornstar...but she also wants her career, kids, and full support for her dreams.

 

Men first tried to play along, but in our divorce culture where women generally get the upper hand, men grew tired of it. Not to mention the lack of "upper echelon" males, thus leading to true instances of the contested "80/20 rule". The "20" simply see they can get laid easily and will have loads of options available, so they simply choose to remain single. Meanwhile the "80" end up either alone, settled on, or even just find someone by the women who simply never got off on the "20" or "came around".

 

In any case, this is what led guys to their frustration. I see plenty of women get into their circles and bash men like crazy, or even some areas of the media bash on men, but play the victim card when women get bashed on. Add to this the growing amount of men who are apprehensive on marriage now and you get more division among the genders.

 

How does this change? Many men do need to "get a clue". I'm taking about the ones who endlessly complain about how women reject them, but they clearly have many big red flags they won't address.

 

However, women also need to change. The woman who worked her butt off to become a high-paid career woman and at the same time keeps herself gorgeous through exercise and such might have to rethink her selection criteria in men if she's not landing such guys. So if she feels like hot 7-figure earning alpha males are only "worthy" of her, then she shouldn't complain when she sees all those guys chase "young, hot, and slutty" over her...and they all speak of how they'll never marry.

 

Women here can deny it, but I see way many more women out in the world carrying selection criteria that only a small percentile of the men can actually fulfill. These women all fell into the "I'm so worth it" thinking pushed by third-wave feminism and lipstick feminism, but can't seem to understand why they only meet guys they don't like. I see plenty of women now who have been played, abused, mistreated, and knocked up by every guy they thought was "worthy" that they now get into their 30s happy enough just to meet a halfway decent guy who won't be a jerk.

 

The reality is both genders need to change. Equality means now that men can't be bland looking and average while women are pushed to be "hot". it also means though women have to take more charge of their love lives, get rid of a lot of the old traditions, and even rethink what is a "worthy man".

 

Like the successful career woman might end up marrying the lowly-paid male teacher who is very romantic, charming, and makes her laugh...rather than hope for a CEO who hits the gym every day.

 

Good points made! I have never put any if much thought into dating. Only after being attacked on this board. I date who I wish to date. If they wish to spoil me, great, I am not arguing.

Why does so much thought have to be put into dating.

If you are confident and happy internally, all you mentioned above is not a problem.

There are plenty of hot women in all age groups.

Some men equate youth with less baggage and a higher degree of innocence, sadly today, with the uprise of promiscuity, women who reach 23, are most likely to have had more sexual encounters and baggage claim than a woman who is 34.

Women do want romance and someone who makes her comfortable, and is emotionally capable of sharing a drama free, funny, and exciting romance.

[LoveandSuch]

If you love every aspect of being the "fairer sex", why are you complaining about cooking, cleaning, ironing and other "fairer sex" duties? Sounds like YOU are the nag/b*tch.

 

I have no problem providing a meal, I have a housekeeper, my clothes are picked up and laundered every week, and I pay for it, and again, yes I love being the fairer sex.

[MrNate]

How did this thread get rated 5 stars??

[sally4sara]

How did this thread get rated 5 stars??

 

How did it become about being pale and blonde? Its pretty obvious "fairer", in this thread, has nothing to do with fair dealing.

 

Ahhh well, the point is probably mute anyway.

[grkBoy]

Good points made! I have never put any if much thought into dating. Only after being attacked on this board. I date who I wish to date. If they wish to spoil me, great, I am not arguing.

Why does so much thought have to be put into dating.

If you are confident and happy internally, all you mentioned above is not a problem.

There are plenty of hot women in all age groups.

Some men equate youth with less baggage and a higher degree of innocence, sadly today, with the uprise of promiscuity, women who reach 23, are most likely to have had more sexual encounters and baggage claim than a woman who is 34.

Women do want romance and someone who makes her comfortable, and is emotionally capable of sharing a drama free, funny, and exciting romance.

 

This is why I preach to men and women who have had a lot of trouble in dating to back off it all for a while. Soul search, look for things about yourself you want to change, and especially seek self-fulfillment. Literally every man and woman I see come on boards like this endlessly playing the "woe is me" card are the types who still seek validation. I used to be one of these guys.

 

In my own journey, I also realized that the "looks" thing generally lumped on women has now made its way to men. Let's face it, more women drool over athletes, celebrities, and GQ men than ever before. Confident men who stay in shape and dress well seemingly get way more attention from women than the bland average joe who always wears baggy jeans and polo shirts to cover up his small gut.

 

I learned early on that good hygiene, fashion, and some physical self-care can do wonders for one's confidence, self-esteem, and social "scoring" (best term I can think of). When I walked into rooms full of slobs, and here I was dressed in a more "casual GQ" form...the women noticed. Even the taken ones noticed and suddenly I went from the guy whom women made excuses to into being the guy they wanted to fix up with their friends.

 

Yet to this day many guys still think it's not "manly" or "their place" to learn fashion, hygiene, etc.

 

Women have their problems...believe me. So I'm not lumping everything on men here, but I personally think both sides need to come halfway. Men need to stop thinking a job, manners, and heart of gold is all they need...and women need to stop thinking there is some magical land where handsome romance-novel heros hide and await the bevy of women to come for them. Women also need to realize a wild past will make things harder on them to find a solid RL in the future. Most of the "club rats" I've known who spread their legs for one too many jerks now have trouble being taken seriously by men in terms of commitment.

 

Everyone complains, but still thinks it's 100% on the opposite gender to change...like they do no wrong. The girl who gained a ginormous arse from eating cupcakes thinks men are shallow. The guy who dresses like a slob and does the "bare minimum" on his appearance and social skills thinks women are stuck-up. The man or woman who is 30 and holding a job meant for a 16 year old...or unemployed...claims everyone is too judgmental.

 

It's all partnerships...and like it or not, part of all of it is "what do you bring to the table?" Everyone has to accept that, and understand it's very easy to bring a lot to the table with a few small changes in their lives.

[Woggle]

You have to understand, though, that some women can't date a guy with any measure of self esteem lest he shatter her self imposed delusions of grandeur.

 

I like how you are coming around to seeing our point of view.

[donnamaybe]

I like how you are coming around to seeing our point of view.

 

I have always had that point of view. The difference, though, is that I know it applies only to a certain subset of women.

[Woggle]

I have always had that point if view. The difference, though, is that I know it applies only to a certain subset of women.

 

I agree with you but sadly it does seem that these types are growing nowadays. I sometimes wonder if there isn't a secret training camp where they teach this stuff. By no means do all women act this way though.

[donnamaybe]

I agree with you but sadly it does seem that these types are growing nowadays. I sometimes wonder if there isn't a secret training camp where they teach this stuff. By no means do all women act this way though.

 

Unfortunate, isn't it, that the users and takers can procreate?

[MrNate]

Seems like this thread was demoted when i questioned its legitimacy:D

[Woggle]

Unfortunate, isn't it, that the users and takers can procreate?

 

Yes and for some reason the people who should not be reproducing seem to have tons of kids while my wife's best friend who is a great woman possibly might not be able to have children.

[xoxoDaniellexoxo]

Yes and for some reason the people who should not be reproducing seem to have tons of kids while my wife's best friend who is a great woman possibly might not be able to have children.

 

I'm sorry to hear that! My aunt was the same way all my cousins are fertility babies. I wish her the best of luck!!!

[LoveandSuch]

Everyone complains, but still thinks it's 100% on the opposite gender to change...like they do no wrong. The girl who gained a ginormous arse from eating cupcakes thinks men are shallow. The guy who dresses like a slob and does the "bare minimum" on his appearance and social skills thinks women are stuck-up. The man or woman who is 30 and holding a job meant for a 16 year old...or unemployed...claims everyone is too judgmental.

 

It's all partnerships...and like it or not, part of all of it is "what do you bring to the table?" Everyone has to accept that, and understand it's very easy to bring a lot to the table with a few small changes in their lives.

 

So true, great response!