Mme. Chaucer Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 A couple friends from New York came in today and we were hanging out at this club having drinks and enjoying some good music. I saw a groupe of three women come in and two of them were getting a lot of male attention and pretty being snotty to any man that even look their way. You could tell they were getting a kick out of being as rude as possible to these guys. The 3rd one was getting ignored and it was just burning at her soul. She looked depressed the entire night. She wanted the chance to have men fawn over and reject them in a snotty matter like her two friends. My friends and I were just cracking up over this. Even the bartender looked like he was holding back laughter. I Wow, I saw something similar, only quite different. A couple of married women came from NYC to Joisey to visit their (also married) friend. This friend had recently been diagnosed with breast cancer and her buddies felt that a night out might lift her spirits. The trio went into a club to have some drinks together and enjoy some good music. The two visitors were getting a lot of male attention. I overheard some of the things the men were saying to them: "Excuse me, I am about to go masturbate and I need a name to go with the face." "The word of the day is 'legs.' What say we head back to your place and spread the news." That kind of fine thing. The women were not in the mood to explain that they were married and that they had come to the club to listen to the amazing house band, to hang out together, and to cheer their troubled friend. They tried their best to pretend that the annoying fellows did not exist. Their preoccupied friend, however, was not able to hide her misery. She really hadn't felt like coming out at all, and the intrusion of the interested men (along with the way some other strangers appeared to be laughing at them) was making her feel even worse. The women decided to go back to the Joisey girl's home, where her husband made them martinis and they listened to their CD's rather than live music.
Shakz Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 "Excuse me, I am about to go masturbate and I need a name to go with the face." "The word of the day is 'legs.' What say we head back to your place and spread the news." That kind of fine thing. Seriously? That's tragic.
GordonDarkfoot Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Um, your notion is flawed, at best. You're mixing separate ideas together. Assumptions don't make fact. Too many people believe in modern day Caste systems* to justify/reassure their own beliefs. One must be open to see but there are plenty of people who actually go to clubs for the music and dance. Some that don't even drink. Substitute the $15 drinks you mention with say, an ice water, does that still make them shallow? I'm not sure I understand your point, probably because I haven't been a sophomore in college for quite some time now. My point was simply that people who regularly spend $15 on a drink are not very bright in the first place. That's the whole idea of a place like that type of bar. It's a "scene" and people think simply because they are allowed in the door somehow the magicalness of the "scene" rubs off on them or something. That's why a bar like that can charge that much money for a cocktail. The "shallowness" being observed by woggle occurring, and stated by him as being rather typical, is a function of the self selection process of the population of individuals who typically attend such clubs. Shallow, not very intelligent people. The behavior woggle observed was simply part and parcel of their shallow unintelligentness. It's not as if such people are somehow wonderfully deep and nice in other environments or contexts. They're not, they're just as shallow in their daily lives. If you say there are plenty of people who go to such clubs for the music and dance, and don't drink, so what? It's still a club that overcharges for drinks simply because they can fool people into believing that there is cache simply at being at the club. Why would any intelligent person want to go to such a club even if they're not actually paying for their drinks? There are other place to dance.
GordonDarkfoot Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Ah, excellent point. I've dropped a fellow for saying my friends were ugly early on. (I was really surprised at the rudeness of this. . . Who does this?) And I'd certainly ignore anyone who treated them unkindly when we were out. Why would you drop a bf for stating an opinion that he obviously believed was given honestly on his part? Do you just want to be in intimate relationships with untruthful people? It doesn't matter if you disagree that your gfs are ugly, that's a matter of opinion. You'll meet plenty of people in life who will lie to you at the drop of a hat. Next time don't be so quick to give short shrift to candor.
Gallaxia Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 (edited) I'm not sure I understand your point, probably because I haven't been a sophomore in college for quite some time now. And neither have I, so again... but thanks for the side swipe. I was merely stating (based on what you posted) that what you've observed are separate entities & may or may not necessarily be linked together but by you and your truth. It could be, based on your location. Who knows. But to state it as fact would not be fair to the OP or anyone else reading this wondering after observing/experiencing the same thing. Edited August 9, 2010 by Gallaxia
GordonDarkfoot Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Why is it when a woman/women aren't interested we are perceived as "snotty". Because typically women go to these places seeking male attention, but only if it's from males who are acceptable to them. I know that if I have a girls night out, there are times I just don't want to be bothered. Some guys just don't get it. I have had men be so persistant, I HAD to be rude to make them go away. Now I understand nightclubs and bars are meat markets, but as a woman I have a right to go out with my friends and not be harassed from some idiot that can't take a hint. How often have you actually gone to a meat market type place with your gfs where none of the gfs were seeking male attention, assuming it was coming from a male to which the woman was attracted? If none of you were seeking male attention under any circumstances, what is the point of going out to a night spot where receiving lots of it is the default? By the way, did you and your gfs go out in your old ripped up sweats, comfortable baggy jogging outfits, no make up, hair undone, no jewelry? You know, comfortable, just cause you wanted to dance and chat and didn't want male attention? C'mon now who you trying to kid.
GordonDarkfoot Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 And neither have I, so again... but thanks for the side swipe. I was merely stating (based on what you posted) that what you've observed are separate entities & may or may not necessarily be linked together but by you and your truth. It could be, based on your location. Who knows. But to state it as fact would not be fair to the OP or anyone else reading this wondering after observing/experiencing the same thing. I didn't mention anything about a perceived "caste system," that's something you came up with out of the blue. Please don't raise straw men and attribute ideas to me that I don't share with you, then criticize me for disagreeing with you about an idea I don't even have.
jamesum Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 I get dressed up to feel good about myself I bet you are dressed up too when you are at home alone by yourself. "I dress up just to feel good not for attention" is like the dumbest thing I hear from a woman. People look good in order to look good to others. People who say otherwise are lying. I think her point was they could see the gals had attitude (if this was happening repeatedly) but they were hitting on them anyway because they were hot. Not that it was shallow to like hot girls, but to like hot girls with seemingly ugly behavior. Well, Woggle didnt really say how often they were actually approached. Also a nightclub is usually full of people and Im sure not every one of the men who approached the girls saw the other men who previously got rejected.
sally4sara Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Why would you drop a bf for stating an opinion that he obviously believed was given honestly on his part? Do you just want to be in intimate relationships with untruthful people? It doesn't matter if you disagree that your gfs are ugly, that's a matter of opinion. You'll meet plenty of people in life who will lie to you at the drop of a hat. Next time don't be so quick to give short shrift to candor. In the situation you responded to, what would be the point of a guy telling his GF that he thought someone he wasn't dating was ugly - especially if the person he is saying it about is a good friend to her? It would be said just to be pointlessly mean. Especially if he said it in front of her friend.
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2010 Author Posted August 9, 2010 My point is that deep down this attention was stroking their egos and the third one felt hurt that she wasn't getting any. I guess you had to have been there to see what was obvious to everybody there. Also one of them was trying to flirt with me despite the fact that I showed her my wedding ring so they had no issue with the right kind of man talking to them even though I told her to scram.
FeelsLikeButterflies Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 My point is that deep down this attention was stroking their egos and the third one felt hurt that she wasn't getting any. I guess you had to have been there to see what was obvious to everybody there. Also one of them was trying to flirt with me despite the fact that I showed her my wedding ring so they had no issue with the right kind of man talking to them even though I told her to scram. How do you know it was obvious to "Everyone"? Did you take a poll?
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2010 Author Posted August 9, 2010 It was a very crowded night on the boardwalk so people were going in and out constantly so not every man saw them previously shoot down the other guys.
FeelsLikeButterflies Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 I bet you are dressed up too when you are at home alone by yourself. "I dress up just to feel good not for attention" is like the dumbest thing I hear from a woman. People look good in order to look good to others. People who say otherwise are lying. Well, Woggle didnt really say how often they were actually approached. Also a nightclub is usually full of people and Im sure not every one of the men who approached the girls saw the other men who previously got rejected. No I get dressed up when I want to. Home, supermarket, work, at the club. Has nothing to do with wanting unsolicited attention.
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2010 Author Posted August 9, 2010 How do you know it was obvious to "Everyone"? Did you take a poll? Because it happened right in front of my eyes and their whole demeanor said it. It's funny how everybody who was actually there shares my view yet people on a message board who did not actually witness it are trying to argue with me.
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2010 Author Posted August 9, 2010 So you know for a FACT that everyone person who was in this club that saw these women, thought the same EXACT thing you did? Wow, thats talent! I don't know about every single person but the general consensus agreed with me. The bartender who observes interactions all the time agrees with me plus my friends who I had with me.
Gallaxia Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 I didn't mention anything about a perceived "caste system," that's something you came up with out of the blue. Please don't raise straw men and attribute ideas to me that I don't share with you, then criticize me for disagreeing with you about an idea I don't even have. Gordon, you generalized by saying that clubs are for the shallow when that is not always the case. You brought the "label" into the mix. It's not about being right or wrong but about seeing things from more than one perspective.
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2010 Author Posted August 9, 2010 well than that proves you are 100% right! The bartender says its so , than it is! lol! The general consensus is that my version of events is right but people on a message board who were not even there somehow know better than me.
Author Woggle Posted August 9, 2010 Author Posted August 9, 2010 ok than if you know you are right, why are you still talking about it? I made this thread because I witnessed something funny and though I would share it.
Green Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 A couple friends from New York came in today and we were hanging out at this club having drinks and enjoying some good music. I saw a groupe of three women come in and two of them were getting a lot of male attention and pretty being snotty to any man that even look their way. You could tell they were getting a kick out of being as rude as possible to these guys. The 3rd one was getting ignored and it was just burning at her soul. She looked depressed the entire night. She wanted the chance to have men fawn over and reject them in a snotty matter like her two friends. My friends and I were just cracking up over this. Even the bartender looked like he was holding back laughter. I This story is lame. I once witness a group of girls take turns going to the bathroom. I wondered why they didn't just go togather at the same time... U know like girls normaly do. Then I just guessed that they were taking shts If one of you had some kind of device that takes pictures you should have gone over and asked the sad one to take a picture of you and your friends out togather. that would have been funny lol
Serenitynow Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 I think it's lame when people spell several words wrong. Whats with the mean responses on here ? .
Green Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 I think it's lame when people spell several words wrong. I think your name "feelslikebutterflies" is special and so is your use of happy face icons.
Serenitynow Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Not bored. I just dont have the need in kissing up to the women here like a few of the guys do.
jamesum Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 No I get dressed up when I want to. Home, supermarket, work, at the club. Has nothing to do with wanting unsolicited attention. Yeah of course.
Green Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 thanks!;) It wasn't a compliment so no need to thank me. you're rude
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