Taramere Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 A couple friends from New York came in today and we were hanging out at this club having drinks and enjoying some good music. I saw a groupe of three women come in and two of them were getting a lot of male attention and pretty being snotty to any man that even look their way. You could tell they were getting a kick out of being as rude as possible to these guys. The 3rd one was getting ignored and it was just burning at her soul. She looked depressed the entire night. She wanted the chance to have men fawn over and reject them in a snotty matter like her two friends. So next time a guy comes on here complaining about how women never show interest in him, arseholes get all the female attention etc etc, we should all double over laughing and get our sides stitched up because it's so rip-roaringly funny? Is there a reason we should sympathise when a man feels socially excluded and depressed, but laugh when it happens to women? A reason other than misogyny, I mean?
jamesum Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 So next time a guy comes on here complaining about how women never show interest in him, arseholes get all the female attention etc etc, we should all double over laughing and get our sides stitched up because it's so rip-roaringly funny? Is there a reason we should sympathise when a man feels socially excluded and depressed, but laugh when it happens to women? A reason other than misogyny, I mean? You are right. We dont know if the ignored girl would be just as snotty as her friends if she got as much attention. But honestly I think probably she would. Its peer influence after all.
You Go Girl Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 For this story to hold any truth to it= men must like shallow bitches that refuse their advances. A smart man would have gone up to and talked to the lonely girl of the 3. Woggle--your story says that men are dumb! You're too busy thinking about the snotty ones to see the irony of this post.
jamesum Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 (edited) For this story to hold any truth to it= men must like shallow bitches that refuse their advances. A smart man would have gone up to and talked to the lonely girl of the 3. They went up to the two girls probably because they were hot while the third girl was not. Edited August 8, 2010 by jamesum
Author Woggle Posted August 8, 2010 Author Posted August 8, 2010 So next time a guy comes on here complaining about how women never show interest in him, arseholes get all the female attention etc etc, we should all double over laughing and get our sides stitched up because it's so rip-roaringly funny? Is there a reason we should sympathise when a man feels socially excluded and depressed, but laugh when it happens to women? A reason other than misogyny, I mean? This theory would apply if she genuinely wanted to dance with a man or wanted to talk to one but chances are she was envious of her friends and simply wanted to able to sit their looking pretty while being a total snot to any man that looked at her. If a man actually did go up to her she would have torn his head off.
sally4sara Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 This theory would apply if she genuinely wanted to dance with a man or wanted to talk to one but chances are she was envious of her friends and simply wanted to able to sit their looking pretty while being a total snot to any man that looked at her. If a man actually did go up to her she would have torn his head off. Woggle declares a woman who did nothing to be rude and snotty. Big surprise! I watched Jersey Shore the other night. I just know how the guys in that show act is exactly how Woggle behaves. I have no reason for it beyond that he lives in NJ and likes the boardwalk, but its so much easier to assume he behaves this way rather than find out for sure.
You Go Girl Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 They went up to the two girls probably because they were hot while the third girl was not. So those men were shallow. Don't expect more depth than your own behavior.
You Go Girl Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 This theory would apply if she genuinely wanted to dance with a man or wanted to talk to one but chances are she was envious of her friends and simply wanted to able to sit their looking pretty while being a total snot to any man that looked at her. If a man actually did go up to her she would have torn his head off. Woggle, with your assumptive thinking patterns, just how do you stay married?
sally4sara Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Woggle, with your assumptive thinking patterns, just how do you stay married? I think his wife is obsessed with proving herself to be of good character to jaded men. So she is drawn to broken men who constantly doubt her. He thinks the moment he really accepts her, she will no longer want him. I think his cycle of behavior and suspicion will see this becomes real. He isn't going to be comfortable with a woman who is capable of any other kind of connection because he would have to rethink his entire life's philosophy. I use to doubt him when he would speak of his suspicions with her. I don't anymore. I've seen enough of people continually being drawn to what they expect. And Woggle expects an knife in the back. He will see his way to keeping it his reality one way or another.
zengirl Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 I think his wife is obsessed with proving herself to be of good character to jaded men. So she is drawn to broken men who constantly doubt her. He thinks the moment he really accepts her, she will no longer want him. I think his cycle of behavior and suspicion will see this becomes real. He isn't going to be comfortable with a woman who is capable of any other kind of connection because he would have to rethink his entire life's philosophy. I use to doubt him when he would speak of his suspicions with her. I don't anymore. I've seen enough of people continually being drawn to what they expect. And Woggle expects an knife in the back. He will see his way to keeping it his reality one way or another. True. To a certain extent (not in every instance, of course, but in the persistent thoughts you continually have), you get what you expect in life. Expect life to kick you in the teeth or people to stomp all over you, and they generally will oblige.
sally4sara Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 True. To a certain extent (not in every instance, of course, but in the persistent thoughts you continually have), you get what you expect in life. Expect life to kick you in the teeth or people to stomp all over you, and they generally will oblige. Yup. Even if she is awesome I think he will eventually break, do something awful and hurt her so bad that she becomes (for him) exactly what he believes all women are. Just so he can believe he was right all along. That is why he posts the assumptions he posts, it is all he can believe in.
Gallaxia Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 (edited) Yeah right. If she didnt like her friends behaviors, she wouldnt be hanging out with them in the first place, would she? You'd be surprised, my friend. C'mon dude, anyone who would pay $8 for a drink (or whatever it costs at one of those places) if it's not on an expense account is shallow, or else they wouldn't be there in the first place. (Except for you and your buddies of course!) "Look at me, I'm so cool, my vodka appletini costs $15." Um, your notion is flawed, at best. You're mixing separate ideas together. Assumptions don't make fact. Too many people believe in modern day Caste systems* to justify/reassure their own beliefs. One must be open to see but there are plenty of people who actually go to clubs for the music and dance. Some that don't even drink. Substitute the $15 drinks you mention with say, an ice water, does that still make them shallow? People's friends don't control their actions. People are not defined and controlled by their friends. Society does judge someone by the company they keep. Is it fair? No. Does it happen? Yes. Ever heard the saying " He that lie down with dogs, shall wake up with fleas" ? So next time a guy comes on here complaining about how women never show interest in him, arseholes get all the female attention etc etc, we should all double over laughing and get our sides stitched up because it's so rip-roaringly funny? Is there a reason we should sympathise when a man feels socially excluded and depressed, but laugh when it happens to women? A reason other than misogyny, I mean? Ah, Good point! *A caste system is a type of social structure which divides people on the basis of inherited social status. Although many societies could be described in this way, within a caste system, people are rigidly expected to marry and interact with people of the same social class. India has a well known example of a caste system, although various forms of caste systems can be found in many other cultures as well. (best description I saw was on wisegeek.com) Edited August 8, 2010 by Gallaxia
Taramere Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 You are right. We dont know if the ignored girl would be just as snotty as her friends if she got as much attention. Perhaps if the girl had got as much attention as her friends, none of them would have been snotty. If a guy were talking to me, and blanking out a friend I was out with to the point where she was sitting there looking awkward and obviously feeling crappy I think I'd give the guy the benefit of the doubt initially, and subtly encourage them to include my friend in the conversation. If he carried on blanking her, I'd think he was an ill-mannered twat and I'd be snotty too...because they'd deserve a snotty response with that attitude. Colluding and flirting with blokes who are freezing out one of your number, because they don't consider her attractive enough to bother speaking to, isn't a great way for any woman to treat her friends.
Gallaxia Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Now that I think about it, what Woggle witnessed, actually give a bird's eye view of the personalities and dynamics of their friendship. Simple observation reveals a lot.
zengirl Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Perhaps if the girl had got as much attention as her friends, none of them would have been snotty. If a guy were talking to me, and blanking out a friend I was out with to the point where she was sitting there looking awkward and obviously feeling crappy I think I'd give the guy the benefit of the doubt initially, and subtly encourage them to include my friend in the conversation. If he carried on blanking her, I'd think he was an ill-mannered twat and I'd be snotty too...because they'd deserve a snotty response with that attitude. Colluding and flirting with blokes who are freezing out one of your number, because they don't consider her attractive enough to bother speaking to, isn't a great way for any woman to treat her friends. Ah, excellent point. I've dropped a fellow for saying my friends were ugly early on. (I was really surprised at the rudeness of this. . . Who does this?) And I'd certainly ignore anyone who treated them unkindly when we were out.
Taramere Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Now that I think about it, what Woggle witnessed, actually give a bird's eye view of the personalities and dynamics of their friendship. Simple observation reveals a lot. Well, you do have to wonder why she was being left out of things so badly and how genuine her friends actually were. Most men aren't such dicks that they will carry on blanking a woman they're not interested in when her friends are bringing her into the conversation. Ah, excellent point. I've dropped a fellow for saying my friends were ugly early on. (I was really surprised at the rudeness of this. . . Who does this?) And I'd certainly ignore anyone who treated them unkindly when we were out. That's how I feel about it. Partly it's out of consideration for the friend. Also, if a guy is being disrespectful to a friend or family member of mine then I take that as a form of disrespect to me. It can't be so hard for someone who's genuinely interested in you to be polite and respectful towards the people you care about.
Gallaxia Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Well, you do have to wonder why she was being left out of things so badly and how genuine her friends actually were. Most men aren't such dicks that they will carry on blanking a woman they're not interested in when her friends are bringing her into the conversation. True! The ignoree could have done something & lashed out at the other two, and the two are now "punishing" her for it. The two ignorers could have just decided they needed someone to pick on. The two could subconsciously feel intimidated by the one. It could be any number of things. (Even as a female) If I were to come across this dynamic, I'd pick up on the vibe and immediately decide, OK, their vibe is $hitt y and move on to some more festive folks. Who would want to incorporate themselves into that? Then they go home saying "OMG, I can't believe NO guys talked to us! That place sucks!!!"
allina Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Why is that funny? I feel bad for the ugly friend that was getting ignored. You don't know that she wanted to ignore men and be rude, maybe she just wanted some lovin'.
Enchanted Girl Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 The fact that she was being treated differently than her two friends, already shows that there was something different about her. There's no reason to automatically assume that she's the same as them in all ways when she's already proven that she's different, at least in one way.
Hot Carl Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Woggle, I don't really trust your characterization of what was going on with the women. There's a good chance the two weren't being rude or that the third friend wished she could be rude. If the three of them were smiling and laughing and being nice and friendly, you would still attribute the worst to them. Whether your story was accurate or not, there's nothing either remarkable or humorous about the situation. Sounds like something to roll your eyes at if you bother to acknowledge it at all. I imagine you have better ways to spend your time and energy than to waste them on immature, obnoxious people. This fixation of yours twists your perception of the world. You should never let up on the project of overcoming it, even though it's not likely you'll ever be able to completely.
Stockalone Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 A couple friends from New York came in today and we were hanging out at this club having drinks and enjoying some good music. I saw a groupe of three women come in and two of them were getting a lot of male attention and pretty being snotty to any man that even look their way. You could tell they were getting a kick out of being as rude as possible to these guys. Well, what does it say about those men when a woman who is being snotty and rude, gets approached time after time? Seriously, haven't the other guys at that club noticed how these women treated the men who had previously approached them? I would have found your story funny (as in "that serves them right") if all the other men had ignored these women after they acted all snotty and rude towards the first guy who approached them (assuming that first guy had approached them in a respectful way). The 3rd one was getting ignored and it was just burning at her soul. She looked depressed the entire night. She wanted the chance to have men fawn over and reject them in a snotty matter like her two friends. Granted, it's possible that if her friends acted that way, she might be just like them. But that is a guess, not a fact. My friends and I were just cracking up over this. Even the bartender looked like he was holding back laughter. I I really don't get why it's funny that the only one in the group who didn't act snotty and rude is the one who got ignored by the men.
Feelin Frisky Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 A couple friends from New York came in today and we were hanging out at this club having drinks and enjoying some good music. I saw a groupe of three women come in and two of them were getting a lot of male attention and pretty being snotty to any man that even look their way. You could tell they were getting a kick out of being as rude as possible to these guys. The 3rd one was getting ignored and it was just burning at her soul. She looked depressed the entire night. She wanted the chance to have men fawn over and reject them in a snotty matter like her two friends. My friends and I were just cracking up over this. Even the bartender looked like he was holding back laughter. I This scene is routine world wide. Only not everybody is from NY hoping to get a liitle in Joisy.
Author Woggle Posted August 8, 2010 Author Posted August 8, 2010 They all had a princess type of demeanor to them but the one that the men ignored actually seemed depressed and angry about it. As much as these other women were complaining about men hitting on them the attention boosted their ego and the third one was mad she did not have an ego booster.
jamesum Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 So those men were shallow. Don't expect more depth than your own behavior. How is it shallow to be attracted to attractive women? Do you like men who are shorter than you?
zengirl Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 How is it shallow to be attracted to attractive women? Do you like men who are shorter than you? I think her point was they could see the gals had attitude (if this was happening repeatedly) but they were hitting on them anyway because they were hot. Not that it was shallow to like hot girls, but to like hot girls with seemingly ugly behavior.
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