To many women/girls are over-weight.

[stace79]

I have no interest in models. What I don't like is dead weight and stragglers. I would rather do something than watch someone else do it.

Any woman in my life who won't keep up with me will be a hinderance. The last thing I want is some woman clipping my wings while I'm in my prime.

 

Feel free to tout the saving grace of being fat, but you are only fooling yourself.

 

Frankly, I'd bet that you are not much of a looker yourself. You can fix overweight, but you can't fix ugly. At least not without thousands of dollars of cosmetic surgery.

 

Additionally, if being in a long-term relationship meant I had to uphold your ridiculous standards, I'd rather be single. I doubt a man like you would add much to most women's lives, other than barking orders about exercise and condescending looks any time you ate something with more than 2 grams of fat.

[stace79]

I'm dating a girl who is a size 0, and she feels real to *me*.

I'm sure she does. Have you actually paid attention to how she eats and how often she exercises? Have you observed her body fat percentage and blood work for overall health and nutrition? It is possible -- I'd even bet likely -- that these ultra-thin girls are less healthy overall in terms of body fat percentage and nutrition than most "average" women at a size 12 or 14.

 

But obese does equal unhealthy.

You know what else equals unhealthy? Women who skip breakfast, take laxatives, workout like Nazis, take unproven and potentially dangerous "appetitie suppressants" and more to fit your ridiculous standards. And for what? So they can forever be watched by egotistical hawks like you, just so they can have a man in their lives? Not only is that bourne of insecurity and lack of self-worth, it's also sign of codependency. They have to have a man so much -- any man -- that they'll accept that kind of treatment and then beat themselves up to maintain that "perfect body".

 

Sure, and I want a blue car, but I don't care about ANYTHING else. What a dumb line of reasoning.

 

You would choose a size 0 woman over a woman with all the other qualities I mentioned who was a size 14. Let's not kid around here. If you want to be superficial, go right on ahead and be superficial. Don't pretend it's anything different.

[clv0116]

I'm sure she does. Have you actually paid attention to how she eats and how often she exercises? Have you observed her body fat percentage and blood work for overall health and nutrition?

 

Have I looked at her blood test results? Seriously? She eats 3-4 times a day, usually simple healthy food she cooks herself and she walks almost everywhere she goes. She also engages in quite a lot of good old fashioned hard work. For instance today she is waxing the floor of her house.

 

Perhaps I will help her buff it out this weekend. Yes, that was a euphemism.

 

 

 

You know what else equals unhealthy?

 

Lots of things.

 

 

 

Women who skip breakfast, take laxatives, workout like Nazis, take unproven and potentially dangerous "appetitie suppressants" and more to fit your ridiculous standards.

 

I wasn't aware I had that much influence on the lives of the worldwide human female population. Are you trying to pump up my ego?

 

 

 

You would choose a size 0 woman over a woman with all the other qualities I mentioned who was a size 14. Let's not kid around here. If you want to be superficial, go right on ahead and be superficial. Don't pretend it's anything different.

 

No, I looked until I found one that had all the things I was looking for. Evil I know but as they say, "that's how I roll". In my experience fat chicks are often lazy and their insecurity tends to make them easy to piss off. Neither of those are attractive on their own.

 

Do you think it's wrong for a man to have physical standards as part of what he's looking for?

 

My girl is hard working, honest, reasonably good with money (she's still a woman), well put together, family oriented, kind, moderate in most of her habits, and just generally a good catch. She wasn't born here but she's fitting in very well.

[stace79]

She wasn't born here but she's fitting in very well.

 

That explains everythinggggg....

[clv0116]

... the model they're holding up as being ideal (clv has thrown us girls the size zero hint here) doesn't generally get that way through normal, healthy - or fun - channels.

 

Actually I was merely pointing out that one doesn't have to be 200 pounds to be a 'real' woman. Little miss size minus zero is naturally tiny, she's got some pretty good muscle and a little fat on her diminutive frame. She also grew up in a place where food is not pre-processed so she wasn't a fat teenager. For the first 20+ years of her life she had never used a machine to wash dishes OR clothes as a matter of fact.

 

She grew up on a diet of mostly dried fish, rice and vegetables with things like pork being considered a treat before moving here to America. Being in the habit of preparing and consuming simple healthy meals is a nice life habit, and I consider it a real plus for a potential future wife.

[clv0116]

That explains everythinggggg....

 

Well it's true that American women are inordinately likely to be lard-packin' but I don't see how it explains 'everything' honestly.

[stace79]

Well it's true that American women are inordinately likely to be lard-packin' but I don't see how it explains 'everything' honestly.

 

That's the whole point. It's quite possible you don't even realize what a chauvinist, selfish, patriarchal superficial idiot you are.

[clv0116]

That's the whole point. It's quite possible you don't even realize what a chauvinist, selfish, patriarchal superficial idiot you are.

 

Are you fat? I'm just wondering because you seem really personally invested in this.

[stace79]

Are you fat? I'm just wondering because you seem really personally invested in this.

 

I'm not personally invested. I just think your attitude is despicable. I can see through your various posts here that you are the typical guy who dates or marries some poor Asian chick, then treats her as a glorified housemaid b/c they, unfortunately, are raised to worship the ground men walk on.

 

You sound exactly like the kind of guy who wants a woman to be subservient, to do all the housework, to exercise and starve themselves to unhealthy sizes, and to accept that "you're the man". It's truly so 19th century, and really disgusting. You don't want a partner; you want a subservient. It's a horrible way to treat people.

[clv0116]

.... I can see ... that you are the typical guy who dates or marries some poor Asian chick ... b/c they ... are raised to worship the ground men walk on.

 

When I read things like this I have to laugh about how wrong this stereotype is. In my experience most foreign women are stronger *and* more feminine. Anyone who would characterize my girl as a pushover is sadly mistaken.

 

Shockingly enough to entitled westernized gals like many on this forum, American men are deciding WE also have standards and (gasp) options and we're starting to expect and get more. Well, in this case less is generally more but you know what I mean.

 

 

PS - I do expect her to do most of the housework. You get a cookie for that. If it's on your diet.

[stillafool]

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It's their parents/family and or friends telling them their whole life that they are "fine" and that they "don't need to change a thing.." when in reality they need to be told something along the lines of "your fat, go workout and wake the F up about your body" .

 

 

:lmao:Also parents who keep telling their kids they are the gorgeous (when they are not) and telling them they can be whatever they want to be (and they cannot.) But I guess if your parents don't have faith in you who will?

[stillafool]

Shockingly enough to entitled westernized gals like many on this forum, American men are deciding WE also have standards and (gasp) options and we're starting to expect and get more. Well, in this case less is generally more but you know what I mean.QUOTE]

 

 

American men have always had tons of options. You are just finding that out??????? American men are one of the most desired in the world. You need to get out more.

[stillafool]

Well it's true that American women are inordinately likely to be lard-packin' but I don't see how it explains 'everything' honestly.

 

 

Why do you even live in America?

[clv0116]

American men have always had tons of options. ... American men are one of the most desired in the world.

 

Overall that seems true, and I was probably later than some in discovering this but hey, it's a global economy now. If Dell can send it's tech support to India I can shop Ukraine and the Philippines.

 

Fortunately cute women seem to be a major export of some of those places so now American guys don't have to travel to see what the world has on offer.

 

I guess all these size 0-6 foreign women imports are in dire health according to our local 175 pound 'expert' chubbers.

[clv0116]

Why do you even live in America?

 

I'm not quite retired yet, and ultimately I only need *1* good one.

[Taramere]

Actually I was merely pointing out that one doesn't have to be 200 pounds to be a 'real' woman.

 

I don't think anyone here is advocating that a woman should be weighing 200 lb. Unless she's 6 ft 4" maybe. But size zero? From what I know, an American size zero would be the equivalent to UK size 4, and I don't know of any shops that stock anything below a size 6 here (and yes, we also have delicately built Asian women here who need to buy clothes, and who are catered for).

 

A very small boned, slim woman (say the Asian type figure) might wear a size 6. A very slim woman with a more Northern European build might take a size 8 - but size 6 would be unusual unless she was skeletal. Even size UK 10 would be considered slim for most women.

 

Size 4? I don't know anyone who takes that. I've a friend of Malaysian heritage. She's got a fairly European build, but her little sister is tiny (petite and very slim - like a little doll). She's a size 6.

 

I think sizes have become slightly more generous In fact I know they have. My mother had anorexia when she was in her twenties. Her wedding dress was a 10, she had a 22 inch waist - and that dress would probably be more like what we consider a size 6 to be now. Still....Size 8 tends to be the size that is referred to when people are talking about a woman verging on being a bit too thin. Personally I think a woman of 5 ft 4" can be a size 8 without having an eating disorder.....possibly (at a push, and if she's very small boned) size 6. Size 4? I can't see it.

 

So if If you're with a healthy adult woman who's a size zero, unless she's a midget I'm assuming that this whole size zero craze has led to a bit of vanity sizing going on.

 

Edit: So I looked and found...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Size_zero

 

Modern size 0 clothing, depending on brand and style, will fit measurements of anywhere from 30-22-32 to 33-25-35.

 

So size zero is like a UK size 6/8 then.

[clv0116]

.... But size zero? ... So I looked and found...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Size_zero

 

So size zero is like a UK size 6/8 then.

 

Sounds reasonable. I don't know much about womens clothes sizes but I do know that when we go shopping she can fit a zero (if one is even on the rack) but it's certainly not snug on her. It was tough finding a few swimsuits.

 

So I guess by UK standards she's probably between a 4 and a 6, and so a zero, which is between a 6 and 8 is a little big? Or would she be a UK 6? I have no feel for how far "apart" sizes are.

 

In any case she's small but healthy

 

 

EDIT: She's probably 33-23-34 or so.

[Taramere]

So I guess by UK standards she's probably between a 4 and a 6, and so a zero, which is between a 6 and 8 is a little big? Or would she be a UK 6? I have no feel for how far "apart" sizes are.

 

It would depend on the shop, but as a general rule size 36" round about the hips = size 8/10. So yes, if her hips are 34" she'd be a size 6....which seems fine for someone who's small with delicate bones.

 

Size 4 here would be more like a very slim 11 year old. Of course, you do occasionally get grown women who are that tiny but it's not the norm. When you consider the fashion industry, and the height of models, you can start to see where pressure for women who are a 5 foot 8" plus in height to fit into a size 0s or weigh 110 pounds starts getting dangerous.

 

That's why I think people should just forget about numbers the fashion industry likes to flip out - like zero or 100 pounds - and focus instead on height/weight charts that give medical guidance about what a healthy weight looks like. Don't forget that it isn't just women who are affected by this kind of thing. An increasing number of men are developing eating disorders.

 

http://www.malehealth.co.uk/userpage1.cfm?item_id=1616

[clv0116]

So yes, if her hips are 34" she'd be a size 6....which seems fine for someone who's small with delicate bones.

 

So imagine a place (America) where a guy says he thinks a (UK) size 6/8 is attractive and he is told he loves desiccated skeletons. That's the way it is here. She can't even find a swimsuit to fit most places because women here are overwhelmingly from size medium to size XX-fat.

[Taramere]

So imagine a place (America) where a guy says he thinks a (UK) size 6/8 is attractive and he is told he loves desiccated skeletons. That's the way it is here. She can't even find a swimsuit to fit most places because women here are overwhelmingly from size medium to size XX-fat.

 

Well, if the woman he said it to was 5 ft 6" say, and had medium bone structure, then from her perspective he very likely would be referring to an unrealistic ideal.....because her size, if she's close to the bottom end of her healthy weight range, might still be be a 10 - or even a 12, depending on her bone structure. To maintain a size 6/8 would basically mean permanently surviving on a very restricted diet in the way that someone like Posh Spice probably does.

 

I wonder if there are specialist shops your girlfriend could go to? Some brands here do "petite" sections for women who are under 5 ft 4", and I'm sure it's the same in the US.

[Jaytb]

I'm not personally invested. I just think your attitude is despicable. I can see through your various posts here that you are the typical guy who dates or marries some poor Asian chick, then treats her as a glorified housemaid b/c they, unfortunately, are raised to worship the ground men walk on.

 

You sound exactly like the kind of guy who wants a woman to be subservient, to do all the housework, to exercise and starve themselves to unhealthy sizes, and to accept that "you're the man". It's truly so 19th century, and really disgusting. You don't want a partner; you want a subservient. It's a horrible way to treat people.

 

Boy what a load right there. I'm dating an asian chick and she's richer than me! lol. Glorified housemaid? She wants to do some amount of housekeeping, but I am more than willing to do those tasks in our home (after all, i've been raised to do housework). Raised to worship the ground men walk on? Bull**** right there. She was raised to respect and love her partner, not to pussy-whip him or submit to him. And frankly, American women are oftentimes spoiled or b!tchy. Not all the time, but it's too often more true than not.

 

Again, you mention housework. I'm more than comfortable splitting that half and half. Exercise and starve themselves? Maybe you don't notice this, but asians do have somewhat better diets than Americans. Fast foods, processed foods, or sugary stuff? Asians rarely eat much of those. Exercise? she understands that every human should get a decent level of activity. If you don't get exercise, your body pretty much falls apart in a lot of different ways.

 

Now, everyone should live the way they want to live. If someone's ok with being overweight, then I'll be happy for that person, really I will. But I, and clv, are perfectly entitled to date whoever we want for whatever reason. I don't find it shallow to want a woman who's in shape, especially since I'm in shape (well somewhat in shape. I'm not overweight, but I'm not an athletic hardbody either, but I don't expect that from my partner).

 

And also, being overweight is a health concern. You can be healthy and be overweight, but being overweight always raises your risks for many different conditions. Staying at a healthy weight ensures that your risk level for, say atherosclerosis, stays as low as possible. Same for heart attack, high blood pressure, some types of diabetes, etc. If you're ok with the risk, then that's your choice. But I want my partner to be healthy and active and vibrant. That means that she should stay in shape. I'm ok with 10-20 pounds extra weight, but more than that and I'll want a commitment to losing some of those extra pounds. So please refrain from calling us shallow or chauvinistic. I'm probably as far from chauvinist as you can be.

[clv0116]

Well, if the woman he said it to was 5 ft 6" say, and had medium bone structure, then from her perspective he very likely would be referring to an unrealistic ideal.....because her size, if she's close to the bottom end of her healthy weight range, might still be be a 10 - or even a 12, depending on her bone structure. To maintain a size 6/8 would basically mean permanently surviving on a very restricted diet in the way that someone like Posh Spice probably does.

 

I wonder if there are specialist shops your girlfriend could go to? Some brands here do "petite" sections for women who are under 5 ft 4", and I'm sure it's the same in the US.

 

I'm not sure what a UK 10 is, I suspect it's a lot smaller (OK, I looked, a US 10 is a UK 14, US 6 is a UK 10) than a US 10. A US 10 is pretty huge. Here a 6 is, IMO, a nice size for most people but women here treat it like it's some unattainable ideal.

 

As for 'petite', here that just tends to mean 'short and fat' more than 'small'.

[FleshNBones]

Frankly, I'd bet that you are not much of a looker yourself. You can fix overweight, but you can't fix ugly. At least not without thousands of dollars of cosmetic surgery.

 

Additionally, if being in a long-term relationship meant I had to uphold your ridiculous standards, I'd rather be single. I doubt a man like you would add much to most women's lives, other than barking orders about exercise and condescending looks any time you ate something with more than 2 grams of fat.

Barking orders requires effort on my part. I would rather leave you at the starting line.

 

Feel free to pack on the pounds. There is a happly little scooter with your name on it. Don't tell me you didn't see it coming.

[FleshNBones]

I'm sure she does. Have you actually paid attention to how she eats and how often she exercises? Have you observed her body fat percentage and blood work for overall health and nutrition? It is possible -- I'd even bet likely -- that these ultra-thin girls are less healthy overall in terms of body fat percentage and nutrition than most "average" women at a size 12 or 14.

 

You would choose a size 0 woman over a woman with all the other qualities I mentioned who was a size 14. Let's not kid around here. If you want to be superficial, go right on ahead and be superficial. Don't pretend it's anything different.

I aspire to reach a level of physical fitness when seeing all of those athletes on ESPN.

You look at some lame fashion models, and kiss the ground they tread.

 

You moan and groan over her waistline. I think she has a serious problem if she can't climb a few flights of stairs.

[530 Guy]

Question:

Are you fat? I'm just wondering because you seem really personally invested in this.

Answer:

I'm not personally invested. I just think your attitude is despicable. I can see through your various posts here that you are the typical guy who dates or marries some poor Asian chick, then treats her as a glorified housemaid b/c they, unfortunately, are raised to worship the ground men walk on.

 

You sound exactly like the kind of guy who wants a woman to be subservient, to do all the housework, to exercise and starve themselves to unhealthy sizes, and to accept that "you're the man". It's truly so 19th century, and really disgusting. You don't want a partner; you want a subservient. It's a horrible way to treat people.

 

Interpretation: I guess that's a yes...