Do you women want the truth?

[The Real Truth]

Before I make a somewhat complete response, a few questions:

 

1) You are stating these "facts" based on your opinionated societal view of LoveShack members alone?

2) Since your opinionated societal views are considered "facts" in this case, I'm also allowed to use my own opinionated societal view as "fact"?

 

Go ahead. As long as we dialogue, I'm happy to change my views if somebody shows me where I'm wrong (I'm not a stubborn person). The whole point of this is for people to get better perspectives.

[melodymatters]

OMG, you admitted I was right (which I knew).

 

But to be honest, you're the problem I have with most women. It's this whole, I'm 40 but I must make out with 24 year old boys and then have the nerve to ask people on a message board if it's okay (knowing you're going to get the predictable "rock on" messages from the women on here). Imagine if a 40 year old man said the same thing, you'd all call him a pedophile. But I'm fine with you making out with a 24 year old (I like older women myself), but the fact you're so ecstatic to be thought of as a MILF disturbs me. It just shows how shallow and self-centered women can be (a MILF is NOT a compliment, they basically have a fantasy of ****ing somebody's mother or looks like a middle-aged woman). But you see, you keep talking about "me time", which is basically what your life has been about.

 

The fact that you're 40 has made you take extreme risks because you know women have a shorter expiry date, which is the only reason I can't hate you (because I think you resent the fact you've gotten older and it's much worse for women than for men). But as I said, I have nothing but compassion for women like you, but at the same time contempt. I hope you understand.

 

LOL, Wow ! NO, I don't understand, NOR do i agree, but I must thank you for reminding me of an incident I had long ago forgotten !

 

Well, kiddo, It's been fun, but as you have nothing but contempt and pity for me, because somehow you " know' me, through a few random posts, or the people you have met in YOUR life, is just too absurd to keep going back and forth about.

 

Besides, there's that movie about that guy who gets eaten by a grizzly bear on !

[Florida]

Coming out with guns blazing!

 

 

How can I refute your logic when you will tell me I am just like you defined "all women" by circling around what I will tell you? But here goes.

 

I agree with some points (like "leave the cheater") but not all points. I am like you, i secretly hate the majority of all men, and women who act the way you described, but thank good ness that is not everyone. Exceptions exist.

 

I have no male friends. I keep my distance from men, I don't like them, except the one who is my boyfriend.

 

I dress in a way to not appear sexual, I hate sexual attention from men, I shrink from it. So in no way could some guy pay me attention and get anything. I know the deal, I do not desire male validation. In fact, I go out of my way to avoid it.

 

I look away if a guy looks at me. I stare like they are not there.

 

I believbe deep down that a relationship is a liability, and if my current one were to not work out, I would become like you.

 

Please don't make stuff up like I did not find my true self, therefore I am like that silly stereotype you wrote about.

[The Real Truth]

I actually agree with most of you have said. Not about the women cheating thing but mainly about the men cheating...

 

Fact is most men DO trade up in terms of looks and I also agree that's the main thing they are after.

 

I also believe almost all men would cheat if given the chance and that most do on the side with hookers etc, and their wives are either oblivious to it or are aware of it and let it slide or are aware of it but lie to themselves about it because they can't face the truth.

 

I already knew the truth before you posted though. I didn't need someone to write on a msg board about most men cheating and trading up to find about it, I knew about it long before...

 

I know I'm right. But hey... don't worry. If you want a man to be faithful, find one that is less attractive than you but whom you still find attractive.

 

He will still watch porn and go to SC with friends though, I'm sorry. He will also secretly fantasise about other hot women he meets, but he won't physically cheat.

 

If you want to know anything about how a guy thinks, ask me.

[The Real Truth]

Coming out with guns blazing!

 

 

How can I refute your logic when you will tell me I am just like you defined "all women" by circling around what I will tell you? But here goes.

 

I agree with some points (like "leave the cheater") but not all points. I am like you, i secretly hate the majority of all men, and women who act the way you described, but thank good ness that is not everyone. Exceptions exist.

 

I have no male friends. I keep my distance from men, I don't like them, except the one who is my boyfriend.

 

I dress in a way to not appear sexual, I hate sexual attention from men, I shrink from it. So in no way could some guy pay me attention and get anything. I know the deal, I do not desire male validation. In fact, I go out of my way to avoid it.

 

I look away if a guy looks at me. I stare like they are not there.

 

I believbe deep down that a relationship is a liability, and if my current one were to not work out, I would become like you.

 

Please don't make stuff up like I did not find my true self, therefore I am like that silly stereotype you wrote about.

 

Bravo. I'm pleased to know an exception exists (but I still doubt you're real). Your BF is a very fortunate guy. I would say most women (by that, I mean 99.99999999%) are vain, shallow, self-centered etc.

 

You know this is true. You know because you can even read it on this board, where attractive girls think in their minds "I can take him from her, but he's too ugly", it's actually been said on this board... Women do think this way...

 

Don't worry though, we men don't care about women's competitive and narcissistic ways, simply because most of us view you as objects and commodities we can eventually replace when you get past the expiry date (35) for a newer model UNLESS we ourselves are unattractive OR bogged down with children. Don't think most of us have noble intentions on staying with one woman.

[Florida]

I would say most women (by that, I mean 99.99999999%) are vain, shallow, self-centered etc.

 

My good friends aren't like that. Have to disagree.

 

 

Don't worry though, we men don't care about women's competitive and narcissistic ways, simply because most of us view you as objects and commodities we can eventually replace when you get past the expiry date (35) for a newer model UNLESS we ourselves are unattractive OR bogged down with children. Don't think most of us have noble intentions on staying with one woman.

 

I believe this too, so one day maybe I will be writing the diatribe you are writing.

[cutegirl]

I know I'm right. But hey... don't worry. If you want a man to be faithful, find one that is less attractive than you but whom you still find attractive.

 

He will still watch porn and go to SC with friends though, I'm sorry. He will also secretly fantasise about other hot women he meets, but he won't physically cheat.

 

If you want to know anything about how a guy thinks, ask me.

 

I already KNOW about how guys think. I already know he will always fantasize about other women. I think I might know more than you even though I'm not a guy. Mainly cause I'm cynical and always expect the worst. I also read this book from a man's viewpoint called "What Men Don't Want Women to Know".

 

For me, I think the only way to have man be faithful to you is either to be SINGLE AND ALONE (this is the ONLY way to guarantee it) or be with someone who is impotent. He can't bang me but the good thing is he won't be able to bang other girls too. HE can still cheat emotionally though, and somewhat physically, just not full penetration...

 

I think you are wrong about ugly guys. Ugly guys can cheat too. Especially if they have money. I think a woman's best bets are with a guy who is poor and

ugly. Poor and rich is still a volatile combination. Lots of ugly guys get hot women and cheat on them. An ugly might cheat also because he has low self-esteem and has something to prove. Don't think just cause a guy is ugly that no one will go for them. Some very attractive women have low self-esteem and would STILL date an ugly guy. An ugly is STILL not a guarantee of him being faithful to you. I think there are basically no guarantees.

[Saxis]

Go ahead. As long as we dialogue, I'm happy to change my views if somebody shows me where I'm wrong (I'm not a stubborn person). The whole point of this is for people to get better perspectives.

 

I'll assume that's a "Yes" to both questions then.

 

Firstly, my view on women is that they are WAY more likely to seek relationship help, whether it be a therapist or public forum. Do you agree?

 

Secondly, men who already use your advice and dump a cheating woman have no need to come here. They've already solved the problem.

 

 

Since you're looking at an already VERY skewed selection of people, how are you relating it to the rest of the world? Of course the numbers look badly in your favor!

[The Real Truth]

Also, why do women think there's only one man out there for them? They fight over this one guy incessently.

 

Unlike a man, who knows there will always be more hot blonde bombshells once their women get wrinkles and lose their sex-drives... It's really sad, but men always know there'll always be another lay... whereas for some inexplicable reason, a girl will be like, "but he's the ONE for me, I love him" etc.

 

Seriously, even if you can't get another guy (because you're too old, unattractive etc) why would you comprimise your dignity over a piece of **** who doesn't truly love you and think of you as the "ONE"?

 

BTW, guys compartmentalise love... so we are very fickle about who we love... it's mainly the girl who is the most attractive. Unlike with a female, she will love anybody who listens to her and gives her attention.

[cutegirl]

Poor and rich is still a volatile combination.

 

I meant ugly and poor is still a volatile combination.

[The Real Truth]

I already KNOW about how guys think. I already know he will always fantasize about other women. I think I might know more than you even though I'm not a guy. Mainly cause I'm cynical and always expect the worst. I also read this book from a man's viewpoint called "What Men Don't Want Women to Know".

 

For me, I think the only way to have man be faithful to you is either to be SINGLE AND ALONE (this is the ONLY way to guarantee it) or be with someone who is impotent. He can't bang me but the good thing is he won't be able to bang other girls too. HE can still cheat emotionally though, and somewhat physically, just not full penetration...

 

I think you are wrong about ugly guys. Ugly guys can cheat too. Especially if they have money. I think a woman's best bets are with a guy who is poor and

ugly. Poor and rich is still a volatile combination. Lots of ugly guys get hot women and cheat on them. An ugly might cheat also because he has low self-esteem and has something to prove. Don't think just cause a guy is ugly that no one will go for them. Some very attractive women have low self-esteem and would STILL date an ugly guy. An ugly is STILL not a guarantee of him being faithful to you. I think there are basically no guarantees.

 

DEFINATELY AGREED. You are so right. BTW, guys don't cheat emotionally... that's bull****. When we fantasise over other girls, it has nothing to do with emotion, we think of them physically and then imagine sex... that is it, we don't imagine long walks on the beach. Those long walks are just ways to get more sex.

 

If you want a guy who won't cheat on you but still is okay looking... date a NERD. I'm seriously, all my nerd friends would never cheat because they don't like the club scene etc. Date a nerd and you'll be happy, although they may obsess over stupid **** like dungeons and dragons or video games. BTW, I hate girls who hate video games. Play with me, damnit.

[Florida]

Also, why do women think there's only one man out there for them? They fight over this one guy incessently.

 

Unlike a man, who knows there will always be more hot blonde bombshells once their women get wrinkles and lose their sex-drives... It's really sad, but men always know there'll always be another lay... whereas for some inexplicable reason, a girl will be like, "but he's the ONE for me, I love him" etc.

 

Seriously, even if you can't get another guy (because you're too old, unattractive etc) why would you comprimise your dignity over a piece of **** who doesn't truly love you and think of you as the "ONE"?

 

BTW, guys compartmentalise love... so we are very fickle about who we love... it's mainly the girl who is the most attractive. Unlike with a female, she will love anybody who listens to her and gives her attention.

 

So what's the point of anyone entering into a relationship and expending time, energy, emotion then? Could it be that there exists a modicum of respect and attachment for the person you choose to be with, over the hot blonde bombshell replacement theory?

[The Real Truth]

I'll assume that's a "Yes" to both questions then.

 

Firstly, my view on women is that they are WAY more likely to seek relationship help, whether it be a therapist or public forum. Do you agree?

 

Secondly, men who already use your advice and dump a cheating woman have no need to come here. They've already solved the problem.

 

 

Since you're looking at an already VERY skewed selection of people, how are you relating it to the rest of the world? Of course the numbers look badly in your favor!

 

1. They seek relationship help because they need more attention and absolution than guys. We know what's right and wrong, and we don't need a world conference over the matter.

Women love attention and will do anything to get it. That's why they post here and ask such stupid questions about their relationships. They just want someone else to talk to.

Us guys know it's wrong to screw around, but we do it anyway (because our sexual drive overrides our brain), we don't need a big discussion to know what's right and wrong.

Women know what's right and wrong, but they need attention, so they basically waste time and money on something they know how to fix already.

 

2. No I am not. I'm the only guy in your life that will ever be this truthful to you. Be thankful I'm taking time out of my day to answer all of your questions.

[The Real Truth]

So what's the point of anyone entering into a relationship and expending time, energy, emotion then? Could it be that there exists a modicum of respect and attachment for the person you choose to be with, over the hot blonde bombshell replacement theory?

 

This is exactly why women are so stupid. You think because he spent what 5-10 years with you, then the relationship must mean something (this is why you spend so much time trying to repair it once he cheats). You think, "well, we spent so much time together, that time has to mean something".

 

Well, it means NOTHING. He wasted 10 years of your life, it doesn't mean anything. The good times mean nothing. The minute he cheated, your 10 years meant nothing.

 

Trust me, the only reason men get attached to women is because they don't think they can do better (at that time, because you're still young)... but as you age, men definately wander.

[The Real Truth]

While I don't like the type of woman you are, I still agree with you intellectually. I just do not want to lie in this thread, ever.

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[The Real Truth]

My good friends aren't like that. Have to disagree.

 

You don't know your friends very well.

[cutegirl]

DEFINATELY AGREED. You are so right. BTW, guys don't cheat emotionally... that's bull****. When we fantasise over other girls, it has nothing to do with emotion, we think of them physically and then imagine sex... that is it, we don't imagine long walks on the beach. Those long walks are just ways to get more sex.

 

If you want a guy who won't cheat on you but still is okay looking... date a NERD. I'm seriously, all my nerd friends would never cheat because they don't like the club scene etc. Date a nerd and you'll be happy, although they may obsess over stupid **** like dungeons and dragons or video games. BTW, I hate girls who hate video games. Play with me, damnit.

 

I feel like nerds can cheat too because they were so sexually repressed in high school and never went out that once they get older they want to go wild.

 

Also nerds are more likely to make money, especially if they work in IT/computer science/finance etc. I would stay away with any guy with a lot of money, I think they have a sense of entitlement and feel like they can buy anything or anyone. Not all guys, of course it depends on the character of the person, but just in general...

 

So to be honest I think nerds can cheat too.

 

I think ALL guys can cheat, nerds, ugly ones, fat ones etc... You're never safe.

 

But when I think about it, broke guys can cheat too, especially out of resentment if their gf/wife is more successful financially, or just out of frustration if they are dealing with a lot of set backs in their lives.

 

Basically all guys CAN cheat, and I think most would, IF THEY KNEW THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT. If they could be guaranteed their wife/gf would NEVER find out and the girl they could be with was hotter than their current partner, almost all guys would cheat.

[Florida]

This is exactly why women are so stupid. You think because he spent what 5-10 years with you, then the relationship must mean something (this is why you spend so much time trying to repair it once he cheats). You think, "well, we spent so much time together, that time has to mean something".

 

Well, it means NOTHING. He wasted 10 years of your life, it doesn't mean anything. The good times mean nothing. The minute he cheated, your 10 years meant nothing.

 

Trust me, the only reason men get attached to women is because they don't think they can do better (at that time, because you're still young)... but as you age, men definately wander.

 

You're talking like cheating is a given.....

 

I agree the 10 years is meaningless if he cheats, but is it impossible to imagine a relationship without cheating? That was my point in my question.

 

Or is that your whole point-that it is impossible?

[Citizen Erased]

I feel like nerds can cheat too because they were so sexually repressed in high school and never went out that once they get older they want to go wild.

 

Also nerds are more likely to make money, especially if they work in IT/computer science/finance etc. I would stay away with any guy with a lot of money, I think they have a sense of entitlement and feel like they can buy anything or anyone. Not all guys, of course it depends on the character of the person, but just in general...

 

So to be honest I think nerds can cheat too.

 

I think ALL guys can cheat, nerds, ugly ones, fat ones etc... You're never safe.

 

But when I think about it, broke guys can cheat too, especially out of resentment if their gf/wife is more successful financially, or just out of frustration if they are dealing with a lot of set backs in their lives.

 

Basically all guys CAN cheat, and I think most would, IF THEY KNEW THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT. If they could be guaranteed their wife/gf would NEVER find out and the girl they could be with was hotter than their current partner, almost all guys would cheat.

 

Unfortunately this is also how I feel.

[Florida]

I feel like nerds can cheat too because they were so sexually repressed in high school and never went out that once they get older they want to go wild.

 

Also nerds are more likely to make money, especially if they work in IT/computer science/finance etc. I would stay away with any guy with a lot of money, I think they have a sense of entitlement and feel like they can buy anything or anyone. Not all guys, of course it depends on the character of the person, but just in general...

 

So to be honest I think nerds can cheat too.

 

I think ALL guys can cheat, nerds, ugly ones, fat ones etc... You're never safe.

 

But when I think about it, broke guys can cheat too, especially out of resentment if their gf/wife is more successful financially, or just out of frustration if they are dealing with a lot of set backs in their lives.

 

Basically all guys CAN cheat, and I think most would, IF THEY KNEW THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT. If they could be guaranteed their wife/gf would NEVER find out and the girl they could be with was hotter than their current partner, almost all guys would cheat.

 

Do you avoid relationships? Or do you still have one but expect the worst?

[Trialbyfire]

You can run around in life with your relationship cup bone dry, 1/2 empty or 1/2 full. You decide which type of person you want to be.

[The Real Truth]

What kind of woman am I?

 

Don't get pissed with me but here goes...

 

You're an overachiever who gets pissed with reality. You make posts like, "I hate it when men objectify me" and "pregnancy" (even though you don't have children)... I mean, NO SH*T they objectify you (do you even realise what goes on in our heads?) I mean... here, I'll try to explain.

 

Since I've never cheated on my GFs etc, I can only talk about porn. See, we get these thoughts about sex (even when we try to block it out) and this compulsion... then we watch porn (in a dazed haze) and then once the deed is done, we look down disgusted at ourselves (often, we think how sick is it that this poor girl on screen has to do this job and how bad it is that we're jerking off) AFTER we do the deed.

 

Anyway, back to the point... I don't like the type of woman you are because I think you are stubborn and very assertive and selfish. Someone who will gladly let someone else get screwed if it takes you one step higher. I'm sure you don't do it consciously, but you seem like a mega feminist pseudo-intellectual.

 

This is my honest opinion, I hope you don't flame me for it, you did ask me what I thought.

[The Real Truth]

You're talking like cheating is a given.....

 

I agree the 10 years is meaningless if he cheats, but is it impossible to imagine a relationship without cheating? That was my point in my question.

 

Or is that your whole point-that it is impossible?

 

I don't cheat. This is unfortunately because I fear God and am disgusted by people, not because I was born that way.

 

I simply hate looking at others, so I myself cannot do it. In a way, I guess it makes me feel superior, to be honest, and anything that separates me from the scum (in my mind), is a strong enough motivating factor not to cheat... ever.

[cutegirl]

Do you avoid relationships? Or do you still have one but expect the worst?

 

I AVOID RELATIONSHIPS.

 

At least I plan to anyways.

[The Real Truth]

You can run around in life with your relationship cup bone dry, 1/2 empty or 1/2 full. You decide which type of person you want to be.

 

Bone dry... at least you're using your brain.

 

Seriously, why aren't people giving me props for coming out and telling the truth instead of hating on me?