Women, would you date a guy who had used escorts in the past?

[Pompeii]

Yet, the 50 year old actually had a date. The other guy is sitting in jail with no woman. Yes, the criminal probably got laid at some point by women with low character themselves. Maybe criminals. Maybe women with low self esteem who think they can't get any better. Or maybe he lied to the women to get into a relationship with them, and then they dumped him when they found out the truth about him. The question is, which would women most prefer, the 50 year old virgin or the lying, deceiving jerk who is in jail. Most women in their right mind would choose the virgin. But like I said, no reason to lie. The women that have the same mindset as you wouldn't be the type to ask about your history or care about it. So it's a win/win. If she asks, tell her the truth. Then if that's a dealbreaker for her, you will know that you weren't a match anyway.

 

This is such bull****. All I see from you is constant rationalization and false generalizations. You cannot say what most women would prefer. Most women would most certainly not prefer a 50 year old virgin when compared to another man. Most women also do not have the option between only two men. Most women also do not know outright whether a man is lying or a jerk until they know him. Most likely, the lying, deceiving will be more sexually attractive than the 50 year old virgin, for obvious reasons. If a guy is 50 and he's a virgin, he either has some serious mental disorders or his personality is more dead than a plank of wood in dirty water. If the choices came down to those two men, most women would throw their hands up in the air and say to hell with it. Also, for the record, it has been proven that men who are or have been in prison are very attractive to women, sometimes even more so than the average guy. Holmes, Tsarnaev, these guys got marriage proposals after what they did.

 

I've found that women would rather share a highly desirable man with other women than to be with a guy who is less sexually attractive than the mailman.

Edited July 17, 2013 by Pompeii

[Mme. Chaucer]

Women dont care about character, otherwise nice guys would not be complaining and jerks would not get anything.

 

The guys you consider to be "nice" and "jerks" might not be either.

 

And complainers … complain. The reason is not that "women don't care about character." Personally, I think that whining, complaining, blaming and lack of personal accountability are all signs of poor character.

[Mme. Chaucer]

All I see from you is constant rationalization and false generalizations. You cannot say what most women would prefer.

 

She can't? Then why do you think that YOU can? I mean, at least KathyM can speak with complete authority on the preferences of ONE woman - herself. Where are you getting yours?

 

See below for hilarious false generalizations immediately following your smackdown:

 

Most women would most certainly not prefer a 50 year old virgin when compared to another man. Most women also do not have the option between only two men. Most women also do not know outright whether a man is lying or a jerk until they know him.

[Pompeii]

See below for hilarious false generalizations immediately following your smackdown:

 

I'm getting my information on women's preferences from what I see women do, not what they say.

 

That's not a false generalization, that is statistics. It's quite easy to see that given those circumstances, it likely wouldn't happen. She's dealing with "maybes", I'm dealing with "most likely".

[KathyM]

This is such bull****. All I see from you is constant rationalization and false generalizations. You cannot say what most women would prefer.

I don't need to conduct a survey to know that most women are not interested in an ******* who is in jail or is a criminal type.

Most women would most certainly not prefer a 50 year old virgin when compared to another man.

Most women would prefer a 50 year old virgin than a 50 year old guy with no relationship experience except for paying a prostitute. In fact, I know a woman, my sister, who dated a 50 year old virgin, and she was attracted to him and admired his strong faith. He was too independent to be in a relationship, so the relationship did not last, but it could have if he had made more of an effort. And my sister, by the way, is a very beautiful woman, intelligent, financially independent, with a nice personality. She had plenty of men interested in her, but she dated the 50 year old virgin for a few months. She'd still be with him if he didn't drop the ball on that relationship.

Most women also do not have the option between only two men.

Agreed. You guys are the ones comparing a 50 year old virgin to the guy who goes to prostitutes as his only relationship experience.

Most women also do not know outright whether a man is lying or a jerk until they know him.

True, and then they will dump him when he shows his true colors.

Most likely, the lying, deceiving will be more sexually attractive than the 50 year old virgin, for obvious reasons.

There is nothing attractive about a liar. Nobody wants to be lied to.

If a guy is 50 and he's a virgin, he either has some serious mental disorders or his personality is more dead than a plank of wood in dirty water. If the choices came down to those two men, most women would throw their hands up in the air and say to hell with it.

That depends why the 50 year old was a virgin. If he's so hideous or socially inept that he went 50 years without a date, then yes, women wouldn't want either man. If he chose to abstain from relationships or had not found the right woman and had strong religious convictions that explained his virginity, then some women would not hold that against him, as in the case I mentioned with my sister. But if we are comparing the 50 year old virgin with a 50 year old guy whose never had a relationship, and his only experience was prostitutes, then most women would choose the virgin. You seem to think going to a prostitute is going to cure a man from all the things that are preventing him from finding a real woman. It doesn't.

Also, for the record, it has been proven that men who are or have been in prison are very attractive to women, sometimes even more so than the average guy. Holmes, Tsarnaev, these guys got marriage proposals after what they did.

I doubt those types of women who would be attracted to criminals would care if you went to see a prostitute in your past, so there's no reason to lie.

I've found that women would rather share a highly desirable man with other women than to be with a guy who is less sexually attractive than the mailman.

There are plenty of average or below average men who have women.

[Pompeii]

I don't need to conduct a survey to know that most women are not interested in an ******* who is in jail or is a criminal type.

 

Obviously, but those types of men are usually more sexually attractive and/or exciting than the 50 year old virgin. As I said before and I'll stick with it, most women would throw their hands up in the air and choose neither.

 

You seem to think going to a prostitute is going to cure a man from all the things that are preventing him from finding a real woman. It doesn't.

 

I never said that it did.

 

I doubt those types of women who would be attracted to criminals would care if you went to see a prostitute in your past, so there's no reason to lie.

 

Nah. There are plenty of women who are attractive, smart, and great but are attracted to no-good men/men who treat them bad. Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

 

There are plenty of average or below average men who have women.

 

Of course, but I highly doubt that these women feel the same level of sexual attraction towards them as they would for a highly-desirable man. I've seen this so often. Girl has boyfriend, pretty much eye****s other guys. Or there will be a guy who is so magnetizing that these women who have boyfriends are attracted to him. I know many men who consistently have reckless sexual liaisons with women who are in committed, stable, "loving" relationships. As I said before, women would rather share a highly desirable guy who is supposedly the "total" package than be with a below average man. I know a guy who is dating seven women right now and he has told all of them that he is dating other women. All of them are fine with it, in the hopes that they will be chosen to be the one he spends the most time with.

 

 

 

I wish you could see my face. I rolled my eyes so much and so far in the back of my head reading almost everything you said. I do almost every single time. You clearly don't know what the average man goes through when it comes to dating. You also clearly don't know how dating has changed or what the new rules are. I do, I have friends that were and are in the thick of it and I've seen a lot of consistent patterns. You married people think you know all that there is to know about dating and how to do it successfully but marriage shields you from a lot of what goes on in the dating world. You trying to say how this thing works is equivalent to me telling a soldier who has experienced multiple tours to Afghanistan about how to fire his gun.

[Els]

Tough call..... Devil advocate

 

Let's say he is really shy does not drink or smoke

Does not goto bars or the usual dating spots.

This kinda guy might pay for protected sex every

Few months to avoid being lonely....

 

So let's compare him to the dooche bag bar troller

That buys chicks drinks does cocaine in the bathroom

with skanks has reckless sexual ecounters.....

 

Wich of the two is worse ?

 

Unfortunately, there aren't only two men left on this planet. We could choose neither.

 

Frankly, there are plenty of men who didn't go to escorts and also aren't 'dooche bag bar trollers doing cocaine in the bathroom'. Not sure why you're insinuating that the world only consists of one or the other.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Unfortunately, there aren't only two men left on this planet.

 

 

I love me some men, but when I read dumb crap like the stuff on this thread, I'm feeling somewhat aligned with your statement - "unfortunately, there aren't only two men left on this planet"!

 

And I vote that they would be our fellas. You could choose yours, and I could choose mine. Probably neither one is a 50 year old virgin or a big whoremonger, either.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Obviously, but those types of men are usually more sexually attractive and/or exciting than the 50 year old virgin. As I said before and I'll stick with it, most women would throw their hands up in the air and choose neither.

 

All I'd care about was whether either of them was over six feet tall. And if he had a buttload of money. That's how I'd pick. So would MOST WOMEN.

[FitChick]

I dated a middle-aged man who traveled abroad quit a bit for business. He paid for the services of the masseuses and hookers in the luxury hotels where he stayed. He wasn't married at the time. Didn't bother me. I found it fascinating.

[Mme. Chaucer]

I've seen this so often. Girl has boyfriend, pretty much eye****s other guys. Or there will be a guy who is so magnetizing that these women who have boyfriends are attracted to him. I know many men who consistently have reckless sexual liaisons with women who are in committed, stable, "loving" relationships. As I said before, women would rather share a highly desirable guy who is supposedly the "total" package than be with a below average man.

 

Yup. That's me, alright. My poor husband can't even turn his back before I'm eye****ing every guy in sight. I'm pretty much just like a bitch in heat. All my friends are exactly like this, too. And the reckless sexual liaisons with any random dickwad? Daily, dude. Sometimes even two times a day.

 

All my friends and I would prefer to share the sleazebags we encounter every day than to have fun and love with our boyfriends and husbands. Absolutely. You really know all about women, especially for a guy who's evidently never come within 10 feet of one except for your mommy. Me and the rest of the ladies better start taking all your expertise seriously around here.

[Pompeii]

Yup. That's me, alright. My poor husband can't even turn his back before I'm eye****ing every guy in sight. I'm pretty much just like a bitch in heat. All my friends are exactly like this, too. And the reckless sexual liaisons with any random dickwad? Daily, dude. Sometimes even two times a day.

 

All my friends and I would prefer to share the sleazebags we encounter every day than to have fun and love with our boyfriends and husbands. Absolutely. You really know all about women, especially for a guy who's evidently never come within 10 feet of one except for your mommy. Me and the rest of the ladies better start taking all your expertise seriously around here.

 

Um... Yeah. It's quite clear that my observations flew over your head and you're attempting to use sarcastic and unfunny witticisms to cover it up.

 

Yawn.

[ThaWholigan]

Um... Yeah. It's quite clear that my observations flew over your head and you're attempting to use sarcastic and unfunny witticisms to cover it up.

 

Yawn.

Your observations didn't fly over anyone's head. They're just as boring as our predictable responses

[KathyM]

Obviously, but those types of men are usually more sexually attractive and/or exciting than the 50 year old virgin. As I said before and I'll stick with it, most women would throw their hands up in the air and choose neither.

As I said, that depends why the guy is a virgin. If it was for religious reasons, women who take their faith seriously would not be deterred by his virgin status. If he was a virgin because he is so hideous or socially inept that, at 50 years old, he never dated anyone, then women are probably not going to be attracted to him at this point either. And they would also not be attracted to him if he were a 50 year old hideous socially inept guy that had paid for a few hookers either.

 

 

I never said that it did.

 

 

 

Nah. There are plenty of women who are attractive, smart, and great but are attracted to no-good men/men who treat them bad. Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

Only women who have low self esteem or are psychologically damaged put up with criminal types. Or who grew up in a criminal culture, and so that is all they know.

 

 

Of course, but I highly doubt that these women feel the same level of sexual attraction towards them as they would for a highly-desirable man.

A criminal is not a highly desirable man. Neither is a guy whose only relationship experience is paying prostitutes.

I've seen this so often. Girl has boyfriend, pretty much eye****s other guys. Or there will be a guy who is so magnetizing that these women who have boyfriends are attracted to him. I know many men who consistently have reckless sexual liaisons with women who are in committed, stable, "loving" relationships. As I said before, women would rather share a highly desirable guy who is supposedly the "total" package than be with a below average man.

Most women are not willing to share a man. I would question their self esteem level if they did, unless they came from a culture where that is the norm, or unless they themselves were not exclusive.

I know a guy who is dating seven women right now and he has told all of them that he is dating other women. All of them are fine with it, in the hopes that they will be chosen to be the one he spends the most time with.

What is your point with this? What does this have to do with the subject of the thread? We all know some men multi-date. So do some women. Until they decide to be exclusive.

 

 

I wish you could see my face. I rolled my eyes so much and so far in the back of my head reading almost everything you said. I do almost every single time. You clearly don't know what the average man goes through when it comes to dating. You also clearly don't know how dating has changed or what the new rules are. I do, I have friends that were and are in the thick of it and I've seen a lot of consistent patterns. You married people think you know all that there is to know about dating and how to do it successfully but marriage shields you from a lot of what goes on in the dating world. You trying to say how this thing works is equivalent to me telling a soldier who has experienced multiple tours to Afghanistan about how to fire his gun.

Oh, puleeze. You claim you've never had a date, but you are relying on information from your friends. Well, I have dated, and I also have recent information about the dating world from my friends, relatives, acquaintances, my clients who tell me all their dating issues, and plenty of research I've done on the subject.

[KathyM]

I dated a middle-aged man who traveled abroad quit a bit for business. He paid for the services of the masseuses and hookers in the luxury hotels where he stayed. He wasn't married at the time. Didn't bother me. I found it fascinating.

eww. There's nothing fascinating about a man who chooses to pay for sex. I hope you had proof that he was STD free before having sex with him, if he frequented prostitutes abroad.

[Woggle]

I think it should be legal only because I think they are better protected by being regulated and out in the open instead of driven underground but I would never visit one. I do think that men have the right to have our own standards about women and too often we are called judgemental when we have them. For example I would never date a woman who cheated and I think that is perfectly reasonable.

[Pompeii]

Most women are not willing to share a man. I would question their self esteem level if they did, unless they came from a culture where that is the norm, or unless they themselves were not exclusive.

 

So a lot of women wouldn't have a crack at someone like Gosling even if they knew he was dating 5 or so other women? I doubt it.

 

What is your point with this? What does this have to do with the subject of the thread? We all know some men multi-date. So do some women. Until they decide to be exclusive.

 

My point is that these women agreed to this because he is a highly desirable man.

 

Oh, puleeze. You claim you've never had a date, but you are relying on information from your friends. Well, I have dated, and I also have recent information about the dating world from my friends, relatives, acquaintances, my clients who tell me all their dating issues, and plenty of research I've done on the subject.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're part of Gen X. My generation plays by new rules. I have friends who live this daily. I see stuff and witness things that you wouldn't even believe. Dating in my generation is VERY Machiavellian. You can say relatives and others TELL you things but you aren't witnessing it with your own eyes.

 

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. Enjoy your mental masturbation and "holy" crusade against prostitution.

[charlietheginger]

Unfortunately, there aren't only two men left on this planet. We could choose neither.

 

Frankly, there are plenty of men who didn't go to escorts and also aren't 'dooche bag bar trollers doing cocaine in the bathroom'. Not sure why you're insinuating that the world only consists of one or the other.

 

Point is when a women sits down at starbucks has coffe

With a guy in his 30 looking to settle down the women

Does not know his past or any sexual things he did.

 

Was he a dooche? Shy guy who stumbled into a massage

Parlor for a blow job while in vegas on vacation

 

No one knows so it really does not matter.....

 

Even if a women mets a city mayor or preacher they

Might think ok this guy is safe a respectable figure

 

But we all see on tv city mayors and preacher have been

Cuaght with crackwhores in hotels

[sweetjasmine]

Point is when a women sits down at starbucks has coffe

With a guy in his 30 looking to settle down the women

Does not know his past or any sexual things he did.

 

Was he a dooche? Shy guy who stumbled into a massage

Parlor for a blow job while in vegas on vacation

 

No one knows so it really does not matter.....

 

Even if a women mets a city mayor or preacher they

Might think ok this guy is safe a respectable figure

 

But we all see on tv city mayors and preacher have been

Cuaght with crackwhores in hotels

 

Uhhh, so what exactly are you saying?

 

Any nice, respectable man could actually be secretly sleeping with crackwhores in hotels; therefore, we should all be okay with dating men who openly admit they sleep with crackwhores in hotels?

 

Great logic, there. Any nice, respectable woman could actually be cheating with any guy with a pulse; therefore, you should all be okay with dating women who openly admit they cheat. Super. Sounds awesome.

 

Of course anyone could be lying to you about ANYTHING. That doesn't mean EVERYTHING all of a sudden becomes irrelevant. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. "Well, my girlfriend could be lying to me and she could really have been a secret kitten torturer, so I don't care if she really is a secret kitten torturer because she could be one, and I'd never know about it if she successfully lied to me about it! What's in the past is in the past!" Please.

[Els]

That you know of. I reckon past cheating behaviour would be up there with credit card debt as "The big things people lie about in relationships".

 

By this rationale, does that mean that nobody should ever have preferences for partners beyond what they can see without doubt? "I want a loyal man" - meh, you don't know whether or not he's loyal anyway. "I want a man who doesn't do drugs" - meh, he could be getting his highs elsewhere and you'd be none the wiser. "I want a woman who loves me and respects me" - meh, she could be badmouthing you to her friends whenever she meets up with them, and you'd never know.

 

I mean, really?

 

Obviously lying is a possibility. That applies to ANY aspect of a relationship, with escort use only being one of a million possibilities that people could lie about.

 

So is the solution to that, as you have been implying in your post, NOT having any personal preferences? Since anybody could be lying about anything, might as well date the unemployed guy living in his mom's basement who cheated on his past five girlfriends, does weed, beat up his last girlfriend and was convicted twice, no?

[Woggle]

That you know of. I reckon past cheating behaviour would be up there with credit card debt as "The big things people lie about in relationships".

 

I am not a psychic but I can spot if a person has the kind of character that would cheat.

[charlietheginger]

Uhhh, so what exactly are you saying?

 

Any nice, respectable man could actually be secretly sleeping with crackwhores in hotels; therefore, we should all be okay with dating men who openly admit they sleep with crackwhores in hotels?

 

Great logic, there. Any nice, respectable woman could actually be cheating with any guy with a pulse; therefore, you should all be okay with dating women who openly admit they cheat. Super. Sounds awesome.

 

Of course anyone could be lying to you about ANYTHING. That doesn't mean EVERYTHING all of a sudden becomes irrelevant. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. "Well, my girlfriend could be lying to me and she could really have been a secret kitten torturer, so I don't care if she really is a secret kitten torturer because she could be one, and I'd never know about it if she successfully lied to me about it! What's in the past is in the past!" Please.

 

Exactly past is the past

 

And yes everyguy at one point in his life probably

Got a blowjob at a strip club , hit a whore house in vegas

a massage parlor, or if was in the military screwed

Some asian chick on a sex swing for $3 dollars....

 

Just how life goes .....

 

When you meet a chick is she gonna tell you about

All the guys she banged on springbreak yr after yr

How many guys she sucked off in parkinglots,or

The OLD guys she screwed to get free drinks and dinner...

 

I know of womem right now that are exchanging sex

For dinner and drinks. I just asked a lady i know about her

Girlfriend is she single her response "she is seeing a guy

Becuase she goes out saturday night pays for.dinner drinks

Movies n stuff but dont really like him if something better

Came along she would go out with anyone better looking "

[sweetjasmine]

Exactly past is the past

 

And yes everyguy at one point in his life probably

Got a blowjob at a strip club , hit a whore house in vegas

a massage parlor, or if was in the military screwed

Some asian chick on a sex swing for $3 dollars....

 

Every guy? Really?

 

If a woman posted that, she'd get raked over the coals for being sexist.

 

I know of womem right now that are exchanging sex

For dinner and drinks. I just asked a lady i know about her

Girlfriend is she single her response "she is seeing a guy

Becuase she goes out saturday night pays for.dinner drinks

Movies n stuff but dont really like him if something better

Came along she would go out with anyone better looking "

 

Congrats on hanging out with classy folks, I guess. It might shock you to know that not everyone on planet earth behaves the same way.

 

You're still missing the point. If you apply "the past is the past, and they could be lying to your face so WHO CARES?", you end up with the extreme absurdity of no behavior ever being a problem.

 

I mean, that guy you're having dinner with could've raped his little sister and could be lying to you about it, so why worry as long as he has a clean STD panel? That girl you're taking to the movies could've stolen the neighbor's TV to pay for her meth habit, so who cares as long as she doesn't steal yours? That guy your sister's with could've knocked his ex girlfriend's teeth out, but meh, who cares? Isn't that what all men do anyway? Amirite, guys?

 

Yes, some people lie. I don't see how that stunning revelation renders all standards irrelevant.

[fortyninethousand322]

Every guy? Really?

 

If a woman posted that, she'd get raked over the coals for being sexist.

 

 

 

Congrats on hanging out with classy folks, I guess. It might shock you to know that not everyone on planet earth behaves the same way.

 

You're still missing the point. If you apply "the past is the past, and they could be lying to your face so WHO CARES?", you end up with the extreme absurdity of no behavior ever being a problem.

 

I mean, that guy you're having dinner with could've raped his little sister and could be lying to you about it, so why worry as long as he has a clean STD panel? That girl you're taking to the movies could've stolen the neighbor's TV to pay for her meth habit, so who cares as long as she doesn't steal yours? That guy your sister's with could've knocked his ex girlfriend's teeth out, but meh, who cares? Isn't that what all men do anyway? Amirite, guys?

 

Yes, some people lie. I don't see how that stunning revelation renders all standards irrelevant.

 

I would imagine people who have sketchy pasts that reflect on current behavior would display traits that demonstrate those sketchy pasts.

 

Violent people, or people who steal or regularly cheat are probably going to show signs of that. Someone who saw a hooker one time might not be a deviant.

[charlietheginger]

Every guy? Really?

 

If a woman posted that, she'd get raked over the coals for being sexist.

 

 

 

Congrats on hanging out with classy folks, I guess. It might shock you to know that not everyone on planet earth behaves the same way.

 

You're still missing the point. If you apply "the past is the past, and they could be lying to your face so WHO CARES?", you end up with the extreme absurdity of no behavior ever being a problem.

 

I mean, that guy you're having dinner with could've raped his little sister and could be lying to you about it, so why worry as long as he has a clean STD panel? That girl you're taking to the movies could've stolen the neighbor's TV to pay for her meth habit, so who cares as long as she doesn't steal yours? That guy your sister's with could've knocked his ex girlfriend's teeth out, but meh, who cares? Isn't that what all men do anyway? Amirite, guys?

 

Yes, some people lie. I don't see how that stunning revelation renders all standards irrelevant.

 

Yes someone does not know a persons past.....

Plain and simple...

 

Your own father could have banged a hooker

While in viet nam or a paid a coke whore $50

 

Your mother could have been broke in highschool

And sucked off a guy in the mall bathroom because

He took her clothes shopping.

 

Your uncle thats on the road trucking could have had

Aboner at 4am and a lotlizard walked by and for $25

Bucks he got a blowjob....

 

We read bout guys like hugh grant ,eddie murphy,george

Michael getting arrest for paying hookers for blowjobs

 

You'll be surprised the amout of guys on a business

Trip , traveling alot , on vacations got lonley and

Paid for sex....

 

I can say it becuase im a guy i know guys im a guy

And what we talk about behind closed doors...

 

The biggest examples would be charlie sheen, billy idol

Hired over 20hookers each and had to admit it.

 

The biggest of all was tiger woods a respectable figure...

How many porn stars was he banging? Atleast 4 had

Text messages and phone calls to backup the claims