bobdole Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 28 M A) Manicure - 1 B) Hairstyle - 7 C) Flattering clothes - 8 D) Fashionable clothes - 5 E) Makeup - 5 F) Perfume - 7 G) Body weight/shape - 10 H) Breast appearance - 6 I) Skin condition - 5 J) Physically fit - 7
sagetalk Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 i put together a little list, in no particular order, of some of the things that women spend a lot of money or energy trying to attain in order to improve their appearance to attract a mate. I'm curious to know if women are on target or off base in putting as much money and effort as they do into each of these things. So please rate the importance of each item on this list - use a 1-to-10 scale, 1 being "completely irrelevant to a woman's attractiveness" and 10 being "absolutely crucial". A) Manicure - 5 B) Hairstyle - 7 C) Flattering clothes -4 D) Fashionable clothes (not the same thing as flattering *wink*) - 4 E) Makeup -1 F) Perfume - 1 G) Body weight/shape - 9 H) Breast appearance - 2 I) Skin condition (including tanning, blemish reduction or any form of de-aging) -2 Please include your age in your response. Thanks for playing! I am 29, and I have to write more words for this to count. The summary is: stop wasting time on makeup, perfume, breast implants, and get in the gym .
Enema Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 A) Manicure 1 B) Hairstyle 6 C) Flattering clothes 6 D) Fashionable clothes 5 E) Makeup 5 F) Perfume 3 G) Body weight/shape 9 H) Breast appearance 5 I) Skin condition 5 29, Australian.
EasyHeart Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 Basically, we look at your face and body. Maybe your hair. We don't give a **** about any of that other stuff you do. Unless you do A LOT of it (ie, you obviously spend a lot of time on your hair, clothes, make up, nails, etc.) in which case it is a huge turn-OFF.
USMCHokie Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 OP, keep in mind that women do all that stuff you listed to compete with other women...for the most part, guys don't put a lot of stock in that...I mean, it's nice, but beyond basic hygiene and physical fitness, it's not a rigid requirement... Just like with guys who go crazy at the gym...we do it to compete with other men...
Sphere Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 .. Just like with guys who go crazy at the gym...we do it to compete with other men... Speak for yourself. That's the reason you go to the gym, that's not my reason.
WintersNightTraveler Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 OP, keep in mind that women do all that stuff you listed to compete with other women...for the most part, guys don't put a lot of stock in that...I mean, it's nice, but beyond basic hygiene and physical fitness, it's not a rigid requirement... Just like with guys who go crazy at the gym...we do it to compete with other men... Two cuties at the bar, one has her nails and hair done and the other doesn't. Ten bucks to one says Lady A is the first one you mentally undress. I've phrased it here as a tie-breaker so it's obvious, but it's not just that.
Author Fay Posted August 25, 2010 Author Posted August 25, 2010 Point is, most men I know and myself could care less about A-F on a woman with an unappealing body. Sorry, it's true. This is why we get mad when women say they go to "all this trouble" for men involving A-F when it's blatantly obvious they are doing those things for themselves and competition with other women, yet steadfastly refuse to do the basic thing we men require most, get their bodies in decent shape. This is what I suspected and a large part of why I asked
USMCHokie Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 Speak for yourself. That's the reason you go to the gym, that's not my reason. Ok. But more generally speaking, anything a guy does to make himself more attractive to women is done to compete with other men. Just think about it... And I'd confidently say that a vast majority of people who work out in a gym do so to be more attractive to the opposite gender.
xpaperxcutx Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 I'm a little surprised by the breasts scores. Not everyone is geneticallly endowed with Jessica Simpson double Ds, and most women have As and Bs ( I was a little irked by someone saying they only like Cs and above). So if I start a thread asking women to rate a guy's grooming habits, and include penises in that survey, I bet some of you would be ticked to read others listing 6-10 ( inches wise).
Author Fay Posted August 25, 2010 Author Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) I'm a little surprised by the breasts scores. Not everyone is geneticallly endowed with Jessica Simpson double Ds, and most women have As and Bs ( I was a little irked by someone saying they only like Cs and above). So if I start a thread asking women to rate a guy's grooming habits, and include penises in that survey, I bet some of you would be ticked to read others listing 6-10 ( inches wise). You're misunderstanding the question. I wasn't asking how important a woman's natural breast size is. I was asking about our efforts to improve our breast appearance - through implants, breast lifts, breast reductions, push-up bras, or any other mechanism - and how effective these efforts can be in increasing our attractiveness. SOME OF YOU ALSO MISUNDERSTOOD me as evidenced by your asking why I didn't include a "face" entry" or a "fitness" entry. Again, this thread is about the things women spend money and effort DOING to themselves to IMPROVE their appearance. It has nothing to do with how they already look naturally. Thus if I included "body weight/shape", clearly what I meant is "dieting, going to the gym, getting liposuction or anything else to improve body weight/shape", and clearly fitness falls under this category. Likewise, for "face", there is no separate entry for face improvement because that's what the "makeup" entry is about. And the "skin condition" one. Plastic surgery could also improve facial appearance, but I already know how men hate that. Anyway, get it now? Edited August 25, 2010 by Fay
TouchedByViolet Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 you left out lips on your list. Beautiful lips are so sexy and kissable mmm, yummy! A) Manicure - 3 B) Hairstyle - 7 C) Flattering clothes - 7 D) Fashionable clothes (not the same thing as flattering *wink*) - 5 E) Makeup - 4 F) Perfume - 5 G) Body weight/shape - 10! H) Breast appearance - 7 I) Skin condition (including tanning, blemish reduction or any form of de-aging) - 7
Clep Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 Point is, most men I know and myself could care less about A-F on a woman with an unappealing body. Sorry, it's true. This is why we get mad when women say they go to "all this trouble" for men involving A-F when it's blatantly obvious they are doing those things for themselves and competition with other women, yet steadfastly refuse to do the basic thing we men require most, get their bodies in decent shape. Not perfect, not without signs of age, not model standard, not stick thin, just IN SHAPE. Most of my married friends who are happy have wives who have eaten right and exercised to stay in decent shape. Most of my married friends who are unhappy are so because their wives have allowed themsleves to turn into shapeless blobs. Simple. I keep myself in shape and looking good not to compete with other women, but to aid in my own self esteem. Before I was in a long term relationship I was the same way. If I have positive self worth I don't have to care about competition with others. Now I look good and keep in shape for myself and my man. You are sooo right when you speak of the part I put in bold. That is the number one complaint my guy hears from other men.
Author Fay Posted August 25, 2010 Author Posted August 25, 2010 you left out lips on your list. Beautiful lips are so sexy and kissable mmm, yummy! See my last post. Lips would fall under makeup, since that's all we can do to improve them. Unless you're suggesting collagen injections. I WAS NOT ASKING which of women's natural features you find most attractive!! God, people, read the question!!
Jilly Bean Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 Wow. Someone enlighten me. These are things that women are supposed to do to attract men? Is the fact that I do these things for ME pointless then? Sometimes when I'm going to bed, alone, I will spray my perfume on. Because I LIKE the way it smells. I work out and keep myself in shape because I mentally feel better, and love feeling strong and knowing I am healthy. I get regular pedicures, even in the winter, when no one is seeing my feet. I'd like to think that most people, men and women, take pride in their appearance for themselves, not for the rest of the world to pass judgement or wink in approval.
TouchedByViolet Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 See my last post. Lips would fall under makeup, since that's all we can do to improve them. Unless you're suggesting collagen injections. No injections. "makeup" can mean many different things to different people and since lips are important to me I just wanted to emphasize my preference. I like women with a very light application of makeup. Also, some women have lip piercings which can be attractive.
Author Fay Posted August 26, 2010 Author Posted August 26, 2010 Wow. Someone enlighten me. These are things that women are supposed to do to attract men? Is the fact that I do these things for ME pointless then? Sometimes when I'm going to bed, alone, I will spray my perfume on. Because I LIKE the way it smells. I work out and keep myself in shape because I mentally feel better, and love feeling strong and knowing I am healthy. I get regular pedicures, even in the winter, when no one is seeing my feet. I'd like to think that most people, men and women, take pride in their appearance for themselves, not for the rest of the world to pass judgement or wink in approval. I don't know that I buy all that. If you'd lived in a vacuum your whole life, I doubt you'd think about painting your toenails except out of boredom... you wouldn't associate it with feeling pretty, because no one ever told you red toenails were supposed to be pretty. The working out to be healthy thing I can understand. And perfume. I love smelling my wrists when I'm wearing my favorite perfumes because good smells are enjoyable. But you wouldn't apply makeup in a vacuum, since there's no basis for comparison and thus you're not improving yourself relative to anything else. I think that's where the truth of it lies, about why we improve our attractiveness supposedly "for ourselves". We're actually doing it for the pleasure of knowing secretly, smugly, that even though no one can see our pedicure, under the snowboots our toes still look good compared to the neighbor lady's. It's just the thought that we CAN attract someone if we wanted to, if we DID show them our toes (lol), that makes us feel empowered. So appearance improvement is always about competition and about power over the opposite sex - even if indirectly. Just my theory. Feel free to rebut.
witabix Posted August 26, 2010 Posted August 26, 2010 A) Manicure 10 B) Hairstyle 10 C) Flattering clothes 3 (If you actually mean revealing) (-10) D) Fashionable clothes (not the same thing as flattering *wink*) 10 E) Makeup 10 F) Perfume 10 G) Body weight/shape 7 H) Breast appearance 1 I) Skin condition (including tanning, blemish reduction or any form of de-aging) 1 I give 10 to a,b,d,e,and f only because a woman needs to know what suits her and how all those things fit together. It is also a case of where you are, what looks good at the opera may not work in a country restaurant. Breast augmentations, like plastic surgery would put me off someone, unless it was for reconstruction etc. Tanning salon look ughhh. De-aging doesn't work does it? That is just a marketing ploy IMO.
Clep Posted August 26, 2010 Posted August 26, 2010 I think that's where the truth of it lies, about why we improve our attractiveness supposedly "for ourselves". We're actually doing it for the pleasure of knowing secretly, smugly, that even though no one can see our pedicure, under the snowboots our toes still look good compared to the neighbor lady's. It's just the thought that we CAN attract someone if we wanted to, if we DID show them our toes (lol), that makes us feel empowered. So appearance improvement is always about competition and about power over the opposite sex - even if indirectly. Just my theory. Feel free to rebut. I don't think that way at all. My life and thoughts does not revolve around if I can attract a man via looks. It revolves around my inner peace and happiness. This way of thinking you have described seems to me to be ego based.
Author Fay Posted August 26, 2010 Author Posted August 26, 2010 This way of thinking you have described seems to me to be ego based. Well, if it were the case, I think it would be subconscious in most people.
Jilly Bean Posted August 26, 2010 Posted August 26, 2010 So appearance improvement is always about competition and about power over the opposite sex - even if indirectly. If you're insecure and need the ego stroke, I suppose so. Can't relate, however. Whatever I do for grooming or don't do, is for ME. Not for male approval, acceptance nor the need to "compete" with other women. When you get to the point of being secure with yourself, you'll get what I mean.
meerkat stew Posted August 26, 2010 Posted August 26, 2010 You're misunderstanding the question. I wasn't asking how important a woman's natural breast size is. I was asking about our efforts to improve our breast appearance - through implants, breast lifts, breast reductions, push-up bras, or any other mechanism - and how effective these efforts can be in increasing our attractiveness. I misunderstood it to include the breasts' natural shape, firmness and texture, rather than raw size or augmentation devices, and would revise my answer down quite a bit based on the above stated criteria. Just saying in case you are tabulating for an experiment or paper.
USMCHokie Posted August 26, 2010 Posted August 26, 2010 If you're insecure and need the ego stroke, I suppose so. Can't relate, however. Whatever I do for grooming or don't do, is for ME. Not for male approval, acceptance nor the need to "compete" with other women. When you get to the point of being secure with yourself, you'll get what I mean. The problem is that most people are insecure with themselves...so life becomes a competition with those of their gender...
horsegirl Posted August 26, 2010 Posted August 26, 2010 I think its a great topic because this is what money is being spent on Although skin condition and makeup are sort of the same thing... good makeup makes your skin look smoother, pores look smaller its only a bad makeup job that makes you realize they are wearing makeup, or a bad tan job looks fake and orange. A good fake tan looks just like a real tan, and a good boob job or good plastic surgery easily passes for "natural beauty"
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