Is it racism to refuse to date anyone not your race?

[taiko]

How can it be seens as rape by fraud if both parties are willing to have sex? We all take responsibilities for our own actions. Buyer beware.

Under the possible lie that something may come from the chance taken not the assurance that because of race or any other factor nothing will ever happen again. Sure buyer beware I guess players do not even pretend that they will be back or there is a chance for a life commitment

[WintersNightTraveler]

How can it be seens as rape by fraud if both parties are willing to have sex? We all take responsibilities for our own actions. Buyer beware.

 

Yes, that whole portion is a red herring. Even if it was a fraud, it has nothing to do with the racial aspect, since you can use someone of your own race for sex without any marital intentions. Maybe you just think they are dumb with a hot ass. Throwing in the word rape was sensationalism.

 

 

 

players do not even pretend

 

Let's keep this thread on topic, there are enough long long threads about how players are all going to go to heck when they die. What about the racial aspect?

[Raderick]

Last I checked Brazil had tons of white people (53% of population). People from Spain are as white as any other group of white people. Many of the original Scotsmen were from Spain and they are the whitest of the white.

 

They're just really, really, really, really, really, really, tan.

[WintersNightTraveler]

They're just really, really, really, really, really, really, tan.

 

There are plenty of very pale south and central americans. Especially Argentina, Brazil, Mexico.

[Chubbi]

I believe it to be racism. Denying relationship status on the basis of color is entirely a human complex. A pink butterfly would not care if it's partner was black/blue- as long as it was fit and healthy. Two different color dogs, even of different breeds, would mate with each other. The only place I've seen selective breeding on the basis of something as arbitrary as color is in humans.

 

Racism is such a strong, socially constructed, ideological complex that it can override the natural desire to want to mate with the fittest, healthiest person simply because the person is of a different color.

 

I do not believe the racism to be malicious or intententional, but it is racism. Preferential racism. Anthropological studies have already shown that "attraction" is historically and culturally situated.

 

People don't want to use the word 'racism' because it denotes ignorance, lower class, backwords etc etc. But, still it is what it is.

[D-Lish]

A pink butterfly would not care if it's partner was black/blue- as long as it was fit and healthy. Two different color dogs, even of different breeds, would mate with each other. The only place I've seen selective breeding on the basis of something as arbitrary as color is in humans.

 

Actually a pink butterfly of a certain specious would only mate with the same according to nature. Ever see a pig hump a sheep, or a deer date a squirrel?

[Feelin Frisky]

...Thoughts?

 

I don't know. Similar question would be is any part of homosexuality sexism?

 

It depends upon the person and their motivations. I for one did not want to sire a half-breed Afro-Irish child, especially a male for instance. It didn't stop me from falling in love with an African American woman (or three ). I was just affraid that my son would start shuckin' and jiving and giving me hip- hop lip. I'd lose it. Don't call me "yo dad". I'm sorry but does that make me racist? I don't think so. I just want to replicate myself in my progeny--pretty natural nay? I want little Jimmy Jr. to look and sound like his pa.

[WintersNightTraveler]

Actually a pink butterfly of a certain specious would only mate with the same according to nature. Ever see a pig hump a sheep, or a deer date a squirrel?

 

en serio? Pigs and sheep can't breed. This is not a good analogy. "Species" and "race" do not mean the same thing at all.

 

However, unless there are any biologists who specialize in breeding habits around to verify, I'm not convinced by the butterfly argument either.

[WintersNightTraveler]

stop me from falling in love with an African American woman (or three ).

 

Did you propose to any of them?

[taiko]

Did you propose to any of them?

The question I would ask while with them did he know as a certainty there was no future, and more importantly if he knew did he tell the women

[D-Lish]

en serio? Pigs and sheep can't breed. This is not a good analogy. "Species" and "race" do not mean the same thing at all.

 

However, unless there are any biologists who specialize in breeding habits around to verify, I'm not convinced by the butterfly argument either.

 

Well, kinda meant to be facetious...

 

But does having a preference of blonde over brunettes have relevance?

[AverageJoe]

en serio? Pigs and sheep can't breed. This is not a good analogy. "Species" and "race" do not mean the same thing at all.

 

However, unless there are any biologists who specialize in breeding habits around to verify, I'm not convinced by the butterfly argument either.

 

Yeah she was serious.

 

It my have missed you but it was actually a somewhat valid comparison.

A biologist? I think you meant a zoologist, or if you prefer the study of life forms history, it might be Palentology.

[ViciousViolet]

I believe it to be racism. Denying relationship status on the basis of color is entirely a human complex. A pink butterfly would not care if it's partner was black/blue- as long as it was fit and healthy. Two different color dogs, even of different breeds, would mate with each other. The only place I've seen selective breeding on the basis of something as arbitrary as color is in humans.

 

Racism is such a strong, socially constructed, ideological complex that it can override the natural desire to want to mate with the fittest, healthiest person simply because the person is of a different color.

 

I do not believe the racism to be malicious or intententional, but it is racism. Preferential racism. Anthropological studies have already shown that "attraction" is historically and culturally situated.

 

People don't want to use the word 'racism' because it denotes ignorance, lower class, backwords etc etc. But, still it is what it is.

 

Okay so let's ignore race for a second and say that a man is attracted to green-eyed redheads. That would exclude many women who are not white. People who prefer a partner of their own race usually do so because they find themselves more attracted to certain features found within their own group.

 

I don't know. Similar question would be is any part of homosexuality sexism?

 

It depends upon the person and their motivations. I for one did not want to sire a half-breed Afro-Irish child, especially a male for instance. It didn't stop me from falling in love with an African American woman (or three ). I was just affraid that my son would start shuckin' and jiving and giving me hip- hop lip. I'd lose it. Don't call me "yo dad". I'm sorry but does that make me racist? I don't think so. I just want to replicate myself in my progeny--pretty natural nay? I want little Jimmy Jr. to look and sound like his pa.

 

If you're being serious, I'm shocked any black woman dated you. This is why most black women do not pursue interracial relationships.

 

Actually a pink butterfly of a certain specious would only mate with the same according to nature. Ever see a pig hump a sheep, or a deer date a squirrel?

 

What does that have to do with humans? People of different races are not as different as pigs and sheeps. Goodness.

[WintersNightTraveler]

I want little Jimmy Jr. to look and sound like his pa.

 

When I was much younger I wondered what I would feel like if my (theoretical) son turned out to be gay. Then I realized how homophobic I was being, so I stopped. I feel this is parallel to the race thing, a little bit.

 

I'm not trying to hate on you here if it seems that way. I really do think this is a subtle issue for everyone that can easily be glossed over, so I am digging at it.

 

If I ever do have a son, we'll see if I can stick to my guns if he is gay.

 

I won't care if he is into rap and hip hop (or another subculture different from mine) cultural. In fact in my adulthood I found some of it is friggen awesome.

 

 

 

The question I would ask while with them did he know as a certainty there was no future, and more importantly if he knew did he tell the women

 

I was trying to be succinct. But yes, if he relegated it to a less important relationship due to race, then agreed.

 

Whether he told them is of little consequence to the racial aspect, it only matters if we are looking to bash FF as a player, which I think would be uncouth and a stretch. Perhaps it is related if we want to get into the shame aspect of it, but really it's besides the point. That has everything to do with "players" and nothing to do with racists. Please stop focusing on that.

 

 

 

But does having a preference of blonde over brunettes have relevance?

 

Maybe to the original question. Not to my little detour. Really the race thing is so much weightier I think that analogy just waters down the question though.

[meerkat stew]

Agree with chubbi, and thought that was a very well reasoned explanation. It is de jure racism, because the decision to preclude is strictly based on race. That is the very definition of racism.

 

As stated though, it's not considered malicious racism.

[WintersNightTraveler]

People who prefer a partner of their own race usually do so because they find themselves more attracted to certain features found within their own group.

 

That's the palatable answer everyone (myself included) seems to want to jump to. But I am wondering if it is really true. Perhaps Chubbi has a good point.

 

Also we can go a level further: why are they attracted to their own group's features?

 

 

 

 

If you're being serious, I'm shocked any black woman dated you. This is why most black women do not pursue interracial relationships.

 

I don't agree with FF at all, but I think you are being a little harsh. It is not uncommon to have a strong desire for your offspring to be very much like you. For instance, while I would adopt, I can't truthfully say some part of me does not want my child to have my genes.

 

Culture and genes are not the same, but I think it is a similar sentiment.

[SincereOnlineGuy]

Is it racism to refuse to date anyone not your race?

 

Do you even know what racism is/means?

 

"""1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others."""

 

 

Just because I may not want to date your asian friend doesn't mean I think my race has the right to rule persons of her race.

 

 

How completely absurd can you be??

[ViciousViolet]

That's the palatable answer everyone (myself included) seems to want to jump to. But I am wondering if it is really true. Perhaps Chubbi has a good point.

 

Also we can go a level further: why are they attracted to their own group's features?

 

For the reason you stated below.

 

I don't agree with FF at all, but I think you are being a little harsh. It is not uncommon to have a strong desire for your offspring to be very much like you. For instance, while I would adopt, I can't truthfully say some part of me does not want my child to have my genes.

 

Culture and genes are not the same, but I think it is a similar sentiment.

 

Oh I have no issue with his desire to have a child like himself, but I wouldn't date someone who thought like that. I guess they didn't know he felt that way when they dated him, but I'd prefer a guy who is drawn to my culture, and black culture goes beyond hip-hop (which has a mostly white audience anyway), shuckin' and jivin'. Plus Black/Irish mix is hot.

[WintersNightTraveler]

Just because I may not want to date your asian friend

 

What if you'll f*ck my asian friend, but never bring her home to mom and dad?

 

Is that racist?

 

The thread is not as simple as it looks.

[Feelin Frisky]

Did you propose to any of them?

 

Nope, I shacked up with one for 5 years but she already had a son. Her son was terrific and warm but his mother insisted that he call me Mr. Jim. Kinda sounds like a name for a horse. No? I think I'd be fine with bi-racial daughters but the drive is there to have a son who is just like pa. The other ones were FWBs--or woman out of reach. Just timelesly iconic beauties that made me drop my beads in awe.

[SincereOnlineGuy]

I believe it to be racism.

 

Racism is such a strong, socially constructed, ideological complex that it can override the natural desire to want to mate with the fittest, healthiest person simply because the person is of a different color.

 

I do not believe the racism to be malicious or intententional, but it is racism. Preferential racism. But, still it is what it is.

 

 

Yeah, a "complex" which you don't even understand.

[SincereOnlineGuy]

What if you'll f*ck my asian friend, but never bring her home to mom and dad?

 

Is that racist?

 

The thread is not as simple as it looks.

 

 

The thread is pointless and laced with further proof that most don't know what they're saying when they speak of "racism".

 

 

 

Just because I will or will not f*ck your asian friend doesn't mean that I feel that persons of my race have any superiority or any right to rule persons of her race.

 

Nothing could be more clear or simple in underscoring how zero "racism" is involved here.

[hydorclops]

I would say that racism is feeling superior to someone, assigning stereotypical characteristics to someone, and interfering with someone, because of race.

 

 

Racism is such a strong, socially constructed, ideological complex that it can override the natural desire to want to mate with the fittest, healthiest person simply because the person is of a different color.

 

I do not believe the racism to be malicious or intententional, but it is racism. Preferential racism. Anthropological studies have already shown that "attraction" is historically and culturally situated.

 

People don't want to use the word 'racism' because it denotes ignorance, lower class, backwords etc etc. But, still it is what it is.

Seems like you've confused natural selection with anthropology. People don't seek out the "healthiest or fittest" partners. Those that do, tend to reproduce. That's all.

 

I don't know about the studies you mention, but anthropologists and psychologists would endorse this:

 

People who prefer a partner of their own race usually do so because they find themselves more attracted to certain features found within their own group.

So you can date and marry someone within your race without being racist.

 

And you could date and marry someone outside your race because you have weird racist ideas about them. Like a man chasing Asian women.

[Green]

Well to go back to the original post I think Japan is a Racist culture and to have a culture that is against other people dating other races is racist.

 

To have a personal preference on what you find attractive is not racist as long as you don't go around saying racist stuff about how an entire race is unattractive. But if you just kinda keep it to yourself then it is not racist. Its when you try to shame or influence other people.

[WintersNightTraveler]

black culture goes beyond hip-hop (which has a mostly white audience anyway), shuckin' and jivin'. Plus Black/Irish mix is hot.

 

I deliberately used the word "subculture" not "culture". "Subculture" tends to refer to musical differences and pop culture preferences.

 

Besides, I don't think he was going for a thorough summation of black culture in one sentence and I sure wasn't. Let's give a bit of poetic license here.

 

 

 

 

Also we can go a level further: why are they attracted to their own group's features?

 

For the reason you stated below.

 

[wanting their children to be like them]

 

I don't think it's just about wanting your children to be like you. That's not the same as attraction at all.

 

Attraction, as we commonly toss around the terms, would basically cover the feelings that make you want to have sex with someone. So what if you will have sex with someone of a different race, but not marry (or breed with, etc) them. Clearly you are "attracted" to them despite their different features from another group.