dvda Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 just because you SAY he exists because you read it in some dusty old book from several hundred years ago doesn't make it true. In fact there is plenty of reason for conjecture. Nobody has yet been able to prove that god exists and nobody ever will. And do go quoting the bible, because tht doesn't make it true either. I can quote you line after line from Lord of the Rings but that doesn't make Gandalf a real person. Anybody whose proof that god is real consists of either "the bible said so" or "just look around you and you'll see he's everywhere" is a gullible idiot, plain and simple.
sonofhud Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 So those of you(most of you), who are saying you don't believe in God or believe you are your own God, what do you consider your purpose? Why do you exist? What do you believe happens when you die?
dvda Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 Why does there have to be a purpose? That's one thing I never understood about religious people. There is NO purpose. The human race is a parasite that is slowly destroying the planet we live on. The only thing that happens after we die is our bodies rot and decay and become nutrients in the dirt. I guess if you absolutely MUST have a purpose, it's to feed the worms and continue the cycle of the ecosystem.
Tony T Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 YOU WRITE: "The human race is a parasite that is slowly destroying the planet we live on." I totally disagree. I think humans are going about it at quite a brisk pace.
dvda Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 Well, we have sped up quite significantly over the last 100 years or so. At this rate we'll take out that damn planet in 50 years or so. Teach you to mess with us, stupid Earth.
sonofhud Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 You have definately been watching the matrix way too much.
dvda Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 actually, I've never seen it. Looks stupid and I hate Keanu.
sonofhud Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 That's hillarious. Must be a coincidence that you pretty much directly quoted that movie.
Ryan Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 what do you consider your purpose? Whatever I make of it.....it is open-ended. I don't participate in the idea of teleology. Why do you exist? Randomness of the universe....which looks organized on a small scale. What do you believe happens when you die? I have absolutely no idea. I have no information on the matter....and I'm ok with that. I will qualify it with the following: it is far more likely that SOMETHING happens. The possibility that NOTHING happens is but one of a nearly infinite set. To assert that NOTHING happens is to select one of the options out of the myriad without any justification....and simultaneously negate all others. I find that equally as pompous as picking one of the "somethings."
VASH THE STAMPEDE Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 GOD is real, satan is real.Life and death are real. To feel GOD's presence you must apply your self fully.(which is hard at times) As far as the earth ,we parasites done a good job at destroying it and wont stop.
dvda Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 You may as well have just said SANTA CLAUS is real, the TOOTH FAIRY is real. To feel Santa's presence you must be good little boys and girls. Life and death are real and that's pretty much undisputed scientific fact. Of course that could still be argued as well and I guess it depends on your definitions of life and death.
Ryan Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 GOD is real That much I can be sure of....thanks to Descartes. To feel GOD's presence you must apply your self fully.(which is hard at times) I agree with that 100%.
sonofhud Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 One more question....how did you guys come about your beliefs, or lack thereof?
Ryan Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 One more question....how did you guys come about your beliefs, or lack thereof? On my own.
VASH THE STAMPEDE Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 Their undeveloped monkey brains.(Get it evolution) At the end of you lifes I hope your hearts are in the right place.Because we are all born sinners,we must face the price of HELL. Thats why we have RELIGIONS to save us from eternal DAMNATION.
VASH THE STAMPEDE Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 Originally posted by VASH THE STAMPEDE Their undeveloped monkey brains.(Get it evolution) At the end of you lifes I hope your hearts are in the right place.Because we are all born sinners,we must face the price of HELL. Thats why we have RELIGIONS to save us from eternal DAMNATION. "certain religions"
sonofhud Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 Well surely you didn't just wake up one day and say, "I'm my own God". How did you progress from an infant, believing nothing, to believing you are your own God. Beliefs are shaped by one's environment and society. If I had been locked up in a cell my whole life and never seen anything from the outside world, I wouldn't believe in anything. Because I was exposed to "religion" I have something to base my beliefs upon, whether it is true or not.
Ryan Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 How did you progress from an infant, believing nothing, to believing you are your own God. See...that's just it. I didn't change my beliefs much over time. I still don't have a positive belief in anything. Regarding supernatural topics such as afterlife, soul, and supreme beings....I have no more knowledge now than I did the day I entered this world. I am absolutely ignorant regarding these subjects....and I'm aware of that human limitation. That's why I can accept it. Beliefs are shaped by one's environment and society. I was exposed to many ideas. None were injected as doctrine. I've had the fortune of being able to analyze without pressure. Nobody ever told me what was right or what to believe. This is one reason I don't like the idea of exposing young children to religion - they are not yet capable of analyzing the ideas and coming to independent conclusions. Morality and values can be instilled without religion.
novascade Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 the bible is not quite as simple to explain war in his name 1 mosses leads people out of egypt after his people long suffered in faith to free them 2 the people of the other god baal (aka)satan where in the land known as the land of milk and honey(aka)Israel 3 God had to remove those against him 4 is it not written (not word for word i think)what god gave you he can take so in other words who are we to ask wy do this wy do that he being merciful from all of what been done toward him when wrath comes let be in the will of God that i am not here
VASH THE STAMPEDE Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 novascade, GO TO BED!!! I understand the bible not being easy to understand but why the verses,what do they represent??
novascade Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 most people don't study the bible and think they know all, read it beside holydays
VASH THE STAMPEDE Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 I guess in time you'll use commas and punctuation.LOL Me voy a durmir te ablo mallana.
novascade Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 Originally posted by VASH THE STAMPEDE novascade, GO TO BED!!! I understand the bible not being easy to understand but why the verses,what do they represent?? go to someone elses land and tell your in my land Gods given me,WAR
novascade Posted October 11, 2003 Posted October 11, 2003 Originally posted by VASH THE STAMPEDE I guess in time you'll use commas and punctuation.LOL In do time I'll get it,and spell better, wy cause I need to thats why.
Author LadyX Posted October 11, 2003 Author Posted October 11, 2003 Wow! Great discussion here...it seems no matter what people believe, they are passionate about it. Like some others on this thread, I was raised in a Southern Baptist church. But as I grew, I observed people, and things going on around me. My views began to change and I stopped believing in the existance of a "hell." I felt like the hell is actually what we're living through now, and that life is some kind of test. They way we live our lives would determine what happens to our energy after death. If our souls didn't learn lifes lesson, then they are born again to try to "get it." Because the energy we're made of has to go somewhere. And I don't believe there's a "place" called Heaven. These are just some of the thoughts I've had about the subject. We will only know the truth after we die. All I do know is, I'm always searching for a label for my beliefs. I'm not an athiest, because I do believe in some sort of afterlife.
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