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Oh & I wanted to add this re: sexual activity & proximity, but it wouldn't let me edit the post, so I'll add this post.

 

And there are worse noises than your neighbors having sex. My most recent ex-neighbors were a young couple who moved because they wanted to start a family & needed more space (different couple than the other one). I could hear her loud & clear when he was, err shall we say making her happy. Now, it's a mother & her adult mentally ill daughter who sometimes gets physically violent, slams doors repeatedly 10x in a row, blasts music every now & then at 5 am and smokes pot which seeps out into the hallway & something else I think may be crack. The 911 calls, etc. are a lot more stressful/disruptive than a couple physically expressing love for each other. I'd much rather hear my neighbors having sex than hear people slammed into a wall.

 

 

Huh let me ask you simply;

 

 

Would you go to your BF tiny tiny little apartment and walk in to his room to **** him whilst his roommate is RIGHT OUTSIDE(1m behind the door)? Would you not feel its not right with the roommate right there, hearing everything, seeing you 2 walk in to **** etc? Would you atleast not wait till he leaves or both of you are somewhere else more private, quite and intimate?

 

You havent done that right? So how in hell is it meaningful, intimate, an expression of love etc when you degrade yourself like that. Being in totally different apartments etc I understand. But seeing 2 walk in with each other and ****ing and hearing them and seeing them etc is very degrading. Where is the love intimacy value there? Thats sick. Its like animals who dont give a **** and go around ****ing anyone anywhere.

 

 

Heres 1 A guy I know put the girl right up against the wall in plain site of everyone in a party I attended and started screwing her. Do you think thats love? intimacy? appropriate? Its down right degrading! I stopped him and he got angry and couldnt understand why!

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Genki, I think you should break up with her right away! She has seen what honesty will do for her in regards to you.... hell this whole story makes me want to lie!!!

 

I have a hen who lays these magic eggs and when they hatch out comes beautiful japanese virgins. I'll send it to ya!

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Genki, I think you should break up with her right away! She has seen what honesty will do for her in regards to you.... hell this whole story makes me want to lie!!!

 

I have a hen who lays these magic eggs and when they hatch out comes beautiful japanese virgins. I'll send it to ya!

 

 

Lol Im not particularily into asians or japanese. I know plenty of foreigners here who go around preying on japanese women. I know plenty that have fooled virgins into their beds just to sleep with them promising a future and relationship when all they want is a ****.

And when I tell these ****heads that its not right. You shouldnt go around taking these poor girls virginities away with your lies etc im told not to cock block or let them have their fun. But I guess they also love etc yeah right. They are just using these poor girls as I said asian meat to be hagged bagged and tagged and fresh virgin meat even better.

 

And dont delude yourself into thinking she was honest with me. If she was honest she would have told me everything from A to Z and let me deal with it and decide whether I want to be with her or not and walk away saving us both a lot of heartache. Instead because she knew I would walk(her own admission) she stringed me along and didnt tell me the truth and all of it. It dripped and drabbed and her lies exposed themselves etc. Had she been honest I would have walked away and let her move on with hers and me with mine but no she had to string me along because she didnt want me to walk.

 

 

 

 

And Im not viewing her as tainted damaged goods etc because of that but because of everything;

 

1. Why should she be breaking the law going to clubs and drinking etc?

 

2. Why even be so low as to continue dating a guy that is very aggressive and clearly has indicated he wants sex?

 

3. Why go to such a ****heads apartment after having been drinking way past midnight having more drinks making and groping out and in provocative revealing clothes? Sure he should have stopped. He had no right. BUT IN THE REAL WORLD her actions contributed to her situation

 

4. Why not do lots more to protect herself? threaten him? call cops? run out? go out the window etc? Why not physically fight him leaving marks on you and then report him?

 

5. After all that incident why not learn from it? Why continually get drunk and make out with random guys? Why promote yourself as the local asian meat looking to get tagged? Why not reflect on things and what you end up getting? What meaning will all this drinking clubing and making out give to your life?

 

6. Why then get involved with another agressive womaniser (whom you knew was into asians) when you know youll come back within only 3months? Why allow yourself to be his **** doll?

 

7. Why move in with a guy you barely know? Ive known her for more than 8months now bordering 9months + and still nothing?

 

8. Why **** and sleep with him in such a tiny place whilst others are around? wheres the love decency intimacy there?

 

9. Why try and repeat all that with me? Why ask to be used abused and then dumped? Wheres your self respect and esteem?

 

10. Why use a vibrator constantly if your such a decent girl as you claim?

 

11. Why play right into those guys hand and allow yourself to be abused and treated like **** and to be their "asian meat" ?

 

12. And to top it all of why lie about everything? And create doubts in me?

 

 

 

Had she only been raped and learned and waited I would have not been upset but a shoulder she could have eternally lied on. But its the combination of EVERYTHING that disgusts me and questions what everything I cherish and give her would mean to her?

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Has it ever crossed your mind that perhaps she was an alcoholic? I hear Saki can be a gateway so I refuse it when I go eat Sushi....;)

 

Dude really you need to let her go and find a woman who either lies or is a virgin. Her honesty to you, however fleeting in your mind, has served her no good at all.

 

My wife's last boyfriend is a convict in the federal pen. Should I hold it against her because she felt that this would be the only man who would accept her because of her HIV infection?

 

Should I go kick her first boyfriend's a$$ because he was a undercover brother who loved a little anal exploration with the same sex? I think not... Shiot happens and I think she is the most beautiful, honest, caring, loving, giving person I have ever met... On top of all that she is my best friend...

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If she was honest she would have told me everything from A to Z and let me deal with it and decide whether I want to be with her or not and walk away saving us both a lot of heartache.

 

Yeah cause rape victims are famous for disclosure! Maybe you should type up a list of questions for and potential gfs in the future.

 

 

 

4. Why not do lots more to protect herself? threaten him? call cops? run out? go out the window etc? Why not physically fight him leaving marks on you and then report him?

 

Exactly! She should've risked her safety further just so guys like you could forgive her for being raped. It is her fault after all!

 

8. Why **** and sleep with him in such a tiny place whilst others are around? wheres the love decency intimacy there?

 

10. Why use a vibrator constantly if your such a decent girl as you claim?

 

I don't know.......maybe because it feels good and it only does what she wants? Or do you feel that decent girls do not want sexual pleasure? You don't masturbate? Yeah right! You do and likely in front of a mirror with a whole bunch of stopping before climax so you can "know" you're a stamina kind of guy!

 

12. And to top it all of why lie about everything? And create doubts in me?

 

Did you stop to think that this is no different that you just letting her assume you were not a virgin? You let her think one think till later when you found out you could lord over her with your "purity".

 

It boils down to, you want a virgin who doesn't enjoy orgasms TOO much (gosh that would make it easier for you to measure up wouldn't it!) and has a house set away from other homes. So go find one. Make sure to giver her the questionaire! Or you can just go to some place like Somalia where you can buy a virgin girl who has been castrated. Make sure you stitch her back up before you go to work or you will deserve to have her raped!

 

 

Just leave her alone!

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sally people like you would never understand. You think its cool and right and perfectly normal to go around ****ing and sleeping with anyone and everyone claiming you liked them loved them just wanted a **** enjoyed it and did it whereever including right in front of everyone or room mates or whatever etc. I dont believe that.

 

I have no problem with her or you having lived the way you did so long as you didnt string me along and tell me lies and told me all there is right out and gave me the choice. It was your choice to do whatever but its also my choice to choose whether your right for me.

 

FOR ****S SAKE the only thing I did and ONLY for a little while(about 2months right at the beginning) was let her think whatever she thought of me. THEN I CAME OUT AND TOLD HER ALL THERE IS and my story has never changed.

 

 

I have no problem with my girl enjoying sex and enjoying the pleasure etc so long as she had the decency to have waited for me. But if she hadnt like I had then she didnt have the right to string me along for almost 8 months!!!!!

 

I have done so much for her I GAURANTEE NO GUY HAS DONE AS MUCH FOR YOU. And I give her everything a woman would want whereas she settled for losers and now expects me to feel special? ha right.

 

Anyhow I aint discussing this with you since you obviously dont care to be a decent human but rather think like an animal that ****ing and sleeping around is completely right. Or maybe a sport, hobby or fun outlet.

 

 

And the incase any of you who seem to be promoting loose uncomitted sex and sleeping around etc and indecency are christian jew etc then You know that you aint allowed that. But who cares right? Pick and choose whats convenient.

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I know thats where I am. And im finding its killing me ordinarily without any involvement this decision would have been simple. OUT. But being so deep and caring and my feelings confused and muddled it all out.

 

Had she been honest about it all from the beginning 100% then atleast the trust would have been there but.....

 

Genki, you need to seperate your feelings out on this!

 

Do you love her... or do you pity her! When the day is over... rest assured she will survive without you. This is also true for you... you can live without her, so if you choose to stay with her... you must do so for the correct reasons!

 

She has a bad past! She lied to you about it... and dribbled things out, because she was afraid you would not love her because of it, which in all honesty was a correct fear.

 

Genki, your values seem all encompasing at the moment, however as you move through this world... you will find that life requires compromise.

 

So again I ask you... Can you make that compromise for her? Is your love strong enough?

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Kind of off-topic, but I've always thought it a good idea that, when people like our good friend genki here show signs of dangerous psychological problems that will no doubt lead to severe future criminal actions, they should be put into some sort of rehabilitation BEFORE they actually get to go out and rape somebody because "she was asking for it by wearing revealing clothes."

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Kind of off-topic, but I've always thought it a good idea that, when people like our good friend genki here show signs of dangerous psychological problems that will no doubt lead to severe future criminal actions, they should be put into some sort of rehabilitation BEFORE they actually get to go out and rape somebody because "she was asking for it by wearing revealing clothes."

 

 

hahahha

 

I have beaten to ****s 1 rapist. I had stopped a guy from what seemed like raping a drunk girl(and I was right!). And now this guy who when I find ill sort out. And you think Id rape somebody? hahahahah

 

And besides buddy if I wanted sex I could have gotten it a million times by now and If I wanted to rape somebody I could have too and allowed others to do so too.

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They were in a different room, the roomie was in another room. Why are you so obsessed with this? That happens when people live in shared spaces. My college roomie inadvertently had sex with her boyfriend while I was in the room. I had come in very late while they were both sleeping. I didn't want to wake her up, so I didn't turn on the light. They didn't hear me come in, woke up, started having sex. I woke up towards the end, but pretended to go back to sleep. In the am when the sun rose & everyone realized who else was there, it was a bit awkward, but I pretended I slept through the whole thing when they started apologizing. It really wasn't that big of a deal. They were in a loving relationship, I didn't sell tickets or anything.

 

And Im not viewing her as tainted damaged goods etc because of that but because of everything;

 

My answers are under the questions. And btw, if you're so concerned about what God would think, maybe he's more mad at you for messing with her head than her for having sex.

 

1. Why should she be breaking the law going to clubs and drinking etc?

People do that to socialize. What's the drinking age in Japan? Isn't that where you both are? Also, some people just want to dance & socialize, even if they don't drink. Drinking age was 19 when I started college & raised to 21 my sophomore year with no grandfather clause. I broke that law regularly and so did my friends. I would say the vast majority of people broke it at one time or another. Have you never broken a law? Did you ever go a mile over the speed limit or go through a light just as it turned red? I'm not advocating doing those things, but most people have at one time or another.

 

2. Why even be so low as to continue dating a guy that is very aggressive and clearly has indicated he wants sex?

 

That's not low, so much as it naive or low self esteem. Also women get a lot of messages that guys are going to pursue sex and it's our job to say no.

 

3. Why go to such a ****heads apartment after having been drinking way past midnight having more drinks making and groping out and in provocative revealing clothes? Sure he should have stopped. He had no right. BUT IN THE REAL WORLD her actions contributed to her situation

 

Not a good move, but it was a mistake, one I'm sure she regrets enormously. And it still doesn't make her responsible for the rape. You are not making it easier by throwing it in her face. Again, if you forgot to lock your door, a robber came in, robbed you & sodomized you, how would you feel about being told you were partially responsible for your victimization? And if your gf wouldn't let it go?

 

4. Why not do lots more to protect herself? threaten him? call cops? run out? go out the window etc? Why not physically fight him leaving marks on you and then report him?

 

Most rapists overpower their victims by sheer size. Also, everyone reacts differently to the trauma of being attacked. Some people fight, some people are paralyzed with fear. Also, depending on the rapist, some will get more violent if the victim fights back. It takes a lot to report a rape. It's very invasive & intrusive for the victim. I have 2 relatives who went through that process (both were stranger rapes, one walking home, one near her home). There's the physical exam, questioning by the police (and if they catch the guy & it goes to trial, his attorneys). One of the rapists wasn't caught at all, the other, who had previous convictions of rape was caught and eventually plea bargained the charge.

 

 

 

5. After all that incident why not learn from it? Why continually get drunk and make out with random guys? Why promote yourself as the local asian meat looking to get tagged? Why not reflect on things and what you end up getting? What meaning will all this drinking clubing and making out give to your life?

 

I don't care what the slang is on campus, the use of the phrase "Asian Meat" to describe your gf is really misogynist & racist. Some rape victims experience PTSD and self medicate with alcohol. From the National Center for Victims of Crime's website http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32366:

 

 

In attempting to cope with the above symptoms, drug and alcohol consumption are likely to be companions in the victim's attempt to gain relief from these symptoms. RIA found that, compared to non-victims of crime, rape victims are:

  • 13.4 times more likely to have two or more major alcohol problems; and
  • Twenty-six times more likely to have two or more major serious drug abuse problems.

Some women have sex more often after being raped because they feel at least it's their choice and if they don't they'll be forced again anyway http://www.uasasonoma.org/services/rts.html:

 

Survivors may experience sexual problems after the rape. They may not want sexual contact of any kind, or may no longer enjoy it - this may be exacerbated if their partners blames them or are impatient with their recovery; alternatively, they might become more sexually active than before.

 

6. Why then get involved with another agressive womaniser (whom you knew was into asians) when you know youll come back within only 3months? Why allow yourself to be his **** doll?

 

I'm guessing this has something to do with either trauma and/or low self esteem and/or naivete.

 

7. Why move in with a guy you barely know? Ive known her for more than 8months now bordering 9months + and still nothing?

See above.

 

8. Why **** and sleep with him in such a tiny place whilst others are around? wheres the love decency intimacy there?

 

See my genreal comment about sex & proximity at the beginning of this post.

 

9. Why try and repeat all that with me? Why ask to be used abused and then dumped? Wheres your self respect and esteem?

 

Is she really doing that?

 

10. Why use a vibrator constantly if your such a decent girl as you claim?

 

There's nothing wrong with a vibrator. In fact, I think my frequent use of mine have actually resulted in a lower number of sexual partners than I would have had if I didn't have them. If you 2 aren't in a sexual relationship and she's not cheating on you, then she's not having any sex. A vibrator is a perfectly healthy outlet for sexual urges.

 

11. Why play right into those guys hand and allow yourself to be abused and treated like **** and to be their "asian meat" ?

 

Again, that "Asian Meat" phrase is really disturbing. Have you discussed this with your therapist. And I'm guessing it's the trauma and/or low self esteem and/or naivete that led her into the situation.

 

12. And to top it all of why lie about everything? And create doubts in me?

 

Because as the famous movie quote goes, "You can't handle the truth"

 

Had she only been raped and learned and waited I would have not been upset but a shoulder she could have eternally lied on. But its the combination of EVERYTHING that disgusts me and questions what everything I cherish and give her would mean to her?

 

You are obviously unable and/or unwillingly to accept her and her past. No one's saying you have to. If you want a virgin, fine, find a virgin. Though I'd express that at the beginning of the relationship so she'll know if that's something she want/is into. Don't they have abstinence clubs? maybe you can meet someone there who's more in synch with what you want. Let her go before you do any more damage than you've already done to her.

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Genki, you need to seperate your feelings out on this!

 

Do you love her... or do you pity her! When the day is over... rest assured she will survive without you. This is also true for you... you can live without her, so if you choose to stay with her... you must do so for the correct reasons!

 

She has a bad past! She lied to you about it... and dribbled things out, because she was afraid you would not love her because of it, which in all honesty was a correct fear.

 

Genki, your values seem all encompasing at the moment, however as you move through this world... you will find that life requires compromise.

 

So again I ask you... Can you make that compromise for her? Is your love strong enough?

 

Cobra How can I figure out which is it truly?

 

Yes she has lied and she was right but still it was my choice and she made it worse by stringing me along instead of outright giving me the choice.

 

This has been the only situation where Im stuck and even confused and thinking about maybe compromising. Then I think I had even greater temptations and more choices so why should I compromise now for her? So she could have her cake and eat it too?

 

At times I think yes I can and those times are when I calm down, when I think about her, when I look at her photos, when I feel sorry for her being raped, used and abused, for her being dumped etc. But when anything bad or lewd even on tv her past flashes right into my head and I think of all the bad shes done of her own choice and now she wants to jump ship from the ****ty barge to QE2. And I think she doesnt deserve it since I had the same choices.

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Adding this link to my response on question no. 5:

 

http://members.tripod.com/lmsurratt/section10.htm

 

In a study conducted by Shapiro and Schwarz (1997), 41 survivors of acquaintance rape and 125 women who had not been raped were assessed for trauma symptoms and sexual self-esteem. Women who had been raped by an acquaintance were more likely to:

  • Engage in more frequent sexual intercourse that those in the control group.
  • Have more sexual partners than those who had not been raped.

There are two possibilities suggested to explain this difference. First, the greater frequency of sexual intercourse and the greater number of sexual partners may have predated the assault, making the survivors more susceptible to date rape. There is a greater chance of finding a man who would force rape, if you are involved in sexual activity with a large number of men. However, this is a dangerous assumption to make. Assuming that having a greater number of sexual partners is a risk factor for acquaintance rape may promote the social reaction to blame women for their behaviors. This is the attitude "she acted like a slut, she had it coming to her".

 

A more plausible explanation is that the experience of acquaintance rape causes some women to carry out promiscuous behavior. They found that the women who had been raped by acquaintances had lower sexual self esteem than the controls who had similar patterns of sexual activity. This seems to suggest that the experience of acquaintance rape defeats the typical enhanced sexual self esteem that is associated with higher levels of sexual activity.

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And yes HUH she repeated everything and tried to get me to do her verbatim same way as 2nd guy. She kept wanting me to do her. Seriously and in all honestly I can gaurantee you 99% of normal men would have done her, found her baggage and scars and walked away yet again adding to her issues but I refused too. Not because I didnt want to do her.

 

Your also missing the point where she put this whole Im a nice girl act. Hence why it all bothered me including when I found her vibe.

 

Drinking age in both places is 21 but over here many many many dont drink nor break the law but for her to fit in she did whatever.

 

 

I know "asian meat" is racist degrading etc I KNOW but thats not what I have ever used merely what the term is oncampus when new asian females come on ESPECIALLY exchange students because then you have no fear of commitment or a relationship.

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Got news for you Genki, "nice" girls own vibrators too.

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Got news for you Genki, "nice" girls own vibrators too.

 

 

To be completely honest I would have accepted her making out a little and having a vibe and maybe even being raped. But everything else is where I draw the line. Besides her choices gave her the past SHE chose just like my choices gave ME the past I chose.

 

And if she wasnt such a slut why would her male friends give her a vibrator? or even female ones for that matter?

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Genki, how old ARE you? I thought at first maybe you were an adult, but your frequent spelling errors and extreme ignorance on seemingly every topic you try discourse about is making me think now that you're 15 or 16. If that's the case, no wonder you have such warped views about sex!

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That's truly frightening; my boyfriend is the same age. I'm so glad he didn't turn out like you! :cool:

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Cobra How can I figure out which is it truly?

 

Yes she has lied and she was right but still it was my choice and she made it worse by stringing me along instead of outright giving me the choice.

 

This has been the only situation where Im stuck and even confused and thinking about maybe compromising. Then I think I had even greater temptations and more choices so why should I compromise now for her? So she could have her cake and eat it too?

 

At times I think yes I can and those times are when I calm down, when I think about her, when I look at her photos, when I feel sorry for her being raped, used and abused, for her being dumped etc. But when anything bad or lewd even on tv her past flashes right into my head and I think of all the bad shes done of her own choice and now she wants to jump ship from the ****ty barge to QE2. And I think she doesnt deserve it since I had the same choices.

 

To put it in perspective she would not have strung you along if she did not care for you... and care what you thought of her!

 

Do you really think that she is having her cake and eating it? Do you think she feels good about her past choices or do you think she regrets them?

 

However, you bring up a very good question... why would you compromise for her? You need to sit and determine what makes her special to you. Are you just getting tired of waiting?

 

Genki, I tend to look at it like this. She didnt know you existed back then. I'm sure if you had been in her life at that period these things would be different.

 

Your struggling because on some level you feel that it is not fair... that she mess up and recieve a second chance, while you have always walked the line. Is this not true?

 

I also suspect that you are unhappy knowing that you will be compared to other men. That in this comparison, you lose a certain amount of what makes you special.

 

I cannot answer to the fairness of the situation, however, I can say that you would be more special to her than anyone else, and that any comparison to the men of her past would be very favorable to you!

 

Does that make sense?

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Cobra How can I figure out which is it truly?

 

Yes she has lied and she was right but still it was my choice and she made it worse by stringing me along instead of outright giving me the choice.

 

This has been the only situation where Im stuck and even confused and thinking about maybe compromising. Then I think I had even greater temptations and more choices so why should I compromise now for her? So she could have her cake and eat it too?

 

At times I think yes I can and those times are when I calm down, when I think about her, when I look at her photos, when I feel sorry for her being raped, used and abused, for her being dumped etc. But when anything bad or lewd even on tv her past flashes right into my head and I think of all the bad shes done of her own choice and now she wants to jump ship from the ****ty barge to QE2. And I think she doesnt deserve it since I had the same choices.

 

 

Genki, you continuously post the same message hoping someone will say "poor Genki, he's so right and wronged by the rest of the world".

 

From your posts, the picture you've painted of yourself shows you to be on some sort of a moral high horse, thinking anyone who's had premarital sex is "bad and ruined" and an animal. You are terribly judgmental and lack any sort of understanding as to why this poor girl did what she did. Have you done any reading about women's self esteem?? surviving rape?? sex being used as a form of acceptance?? alcohol abuse??

 

The whole issue is pretty straightforward. You may "love" her (though the way she's being treated I must use that word loosely) but part of your criteria is virginity. Well, she's not and that ain't gonna change.

 

So you need to stop whining and crying like a 4 year old and accept the situation or move on and find a virgin. Personally, from your rants I think you're incapable of acceptance... So let her go and find some peace and someone who can appreciate her for her qualities not the status of her hymen.

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That's truly frightening; my boyfriend is the same age. I'm so glad he didn't turn out like you! :cool:

 

If your not here to help... your free to NOT COMMENT!

 

I'm getting kind of tired of just reading flames. I don't agree with everything Genki thinks and feels, however I am actually here to provide usefull feedback and information.

 

What are all you other people doing? Are you here simply to insult and encite argument?

 

Seriously, you are impeding the process here, and I for one would appreciate it if you left! Because you are not helping anyone... and I do not feel that you even have the intention to help!

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And if she wasnt such a slut why would her male friends give her a vibrator? or even female ones for that matter?

 

 

Well there it is in a nutshell!! So this is what you really think of her??

 

Sick, sick, sick!!!!

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My not here to help, my not free to comment? I don't get it.

 

Sorry, but I think people as sick as this guy need to be locked away. As someone who survived losing my virginity to a rape, I can see just how astounding his ignorance is, and I wish somebody near him could see the signs and get him some serious help.

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That's truly frightening; my boyfriend is the same age. I'm so glad he didn't turn out like you! :cool:

 

 

Then again he never waited for you and you never waited for him. And I bet you if you had the issues this girl had he would have dumped you. And he most certainly would not have given up his oppurtunity of making 120k income and travelling 3 times around the world just to be there for you.

 

I guess im the fool who placed so much value and trust and went all out with everything I had. I should have been looking after me and whats best for me and whats most convenient for me.

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My not here to help, my not free to comment? I don't get it.

 

Sorry, but I think people as sick as this guy need to be locked away. As someone who survived losing my virginity to a rape, I can see just how astounding his ignorance is, and I wish somebody near him could see the signs and get him some serious help.

 

You know why nobody probably see's the "signs" that you do?

 

It's because he probably does'nt have someone up in his face insulting him all the time IRL.

 

We all have different ways when reacting to abuse! Genki gets more extreme, entrenched, and defensive!

 

How do I know? Because I know men who are very similar in thought and expression.

 

So, I ask you again. What is your point in bieng here? Because it's obvious you dont care to help in any way!

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