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Old 4th June 2008, 1:02 PM   #46
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My concern is that people who do not have a degree and own a business are not 100% certain their business will succeed. Since 1/2 of all businesses fail in the first year anyway, at least if your business does fail and you ahve a degree there are other avenues you can go in to get a job...at least working for someone else for a while. If you don't have the degree, I imagine you would be completely stuck.
I have never needed a degree or resume to get one single "job" in my life.

Sounds like you have a fear of working without a safety net. I understand that some people might need structure to feel safe and feel the need to work within the confines of structured system - much like college.

Your degree worthy job could be lost in a moments notice as well.

Employees don't have control of their own future in many cases. Very few have control over their own earning potential.

How many employees with degree's lose their jobs because of big corp. downsizes? That is terrifying to me.
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Old 4th June 2008, 1:05 PM   #47
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Had you gone to Harvard, woudl you be saying that?
Harvard is just a franchise. To compare University to owning a business is a little lame.

The only thing I would compare to owning a business would be a person studying electrical or aerospace engineering who is of average or slightly above average intelligence.

The guy I worked with through college, he earned his 70k believe me he worked for it.
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Old 4th June 2008, 1:09 PM   #48
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Luck rarely has anything to do with becoming successful.

Luck is when you win the lottery.... but even to do that you have to buy a ticket.
In my opinion if you don't need good luck then you are not trying hard enough.
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You learn idealized theory in school. When it comes time to run a business, the application of theory can and will shock you sometimes...
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You learn idealized theory in school. When it comes time to run a business, the application of theory can and will shock you sometimes...
What about math and literature those are subjects when taught together should teach a person how to think, science and engineering too.

I'd consider persuit of knowledge in those areas to be very worthwhile. I'd like to have had a more extensive education but not necessarily another degree.
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What about math a literature those are subjects that when taught together should teach a person how to think, science and engineering too.

I'd consider persuit of knowledge in those areas to be very worthwhile.
I won't dispute that the intent of school is to teach you to think, more than anything else. It's not necessary though. There are enough business owners who neither need, want or enjoy the cubbyhole experience of an under-grad or post-grad degree.
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Honestly.. if a degree is what was necessary to start/keep a business running then none of us would ever become business owners..

An entrepreneur's drive has little to do with a degree and is all about the drive to keep a business afloat those first few years..

The reason most business's fail is because an entrepreneur can just as easily drive his own company in the ground as it took him to get it off the ground..

Many entrepreneur's cannot run a business.. but they can start a business and put all the hard work and heartbreaking dedication into it to get it running...

A smart entrepreneur starts his company and puts all the hard work and effort into it then hires people who can run it for him...

My father was an entrepreneur.. My brother and I run the company he started.
We have been doing it for more than 24 of the 30 years it has been around.. My father passed away in the 80's and we took over from where he left off..
We took it thru the computer era and have more than doubled our size and sales since the 80's.

I do believe that neither my brother or I could have started this business and made it successful..
My dad the entrepreneur ran it for 5 years then he retired and let my brother and I run it for a year or so and then he passed away so the torch was passed.
We were at my fathers side the whole time.. working for this company.. doing what was needed to make deadlines.. make payroll , setting up quality/control etc. etc..
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I have never needed a degree or resume to get one single "job" in my life.

Sounds like you have a fear of working without a safety net. I understand that some people might need structure to feel safe and feel the need to work within the confines of structured system - much like college.

Your degree worthy job could be lost in a moments notice as well.

Employees don't have control of their own future in many cases. Very few have control over their own earning potential.

How many employees with degree's lose their jobs because of big corp. downsizes? That is terrifying to me.
well yes I could lose my job at anytime, I am fully aware of that, but b/c I have a college education, should that happen, I have a resume and plenty of other areas of expertise & knowledge to fall back on...things I would not have had I not elected to go to college. College is not for everyone I get that, but it is really an advantage to have it.

Regardless of whether you have a degree or not, work for someone else or for yourself, there is always that risk of losing your job- it's inevitable, and yes, terrifying. If it happened to you though, would you have something else to fall back on? How easy would it be for you to get another job?

Also when you say you never needed a resume to get a job in your life, what kind of "job" are you referring to?...b/c most jobs I would think you would need a resume for...
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Honestly.. if a degree is what was necessary to start/keep a business running then none of us would ever become business owners..

An entrepreneur's drive has little to do with a degree and is all about the drive to keep a business afloat those first few years..

The reason most business's fail is because an entrepreneur can just as easily drive his own company in the ground as it took him to get it off the ground..

Many entrepreneur's cannot run a business.. but they can start a business and put all the hard work and heartbreaking dedication into it to get it running...

A smart entrepreneur starts his company and puts all the hard work and effort into it then hires people who can run it for him...

My father was an entrepreneur.. My brother and I run the company he started.
We have been doing it for more than 24 of the 30 years it has been around.. My father passed away in the 80's and we took over from where he left off..
We took it thru the computer era and have more than doubled our size and sales since the 80's.

I do believe that neither my brother or I could have started this business and made it successful..
My dad the entrepreneur ran it for 5 years then he retired and let my brother and I run it for a year or so and then he passed away so the torch was passed.
We were at my fathers side the whole time.. working for this company.. doing what was needed to make deadlines.. make payroll , setting up quality/control etc. etc..
You are brainwashed.
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Honestly.. if a degree is what was necessary to start/keep a business running then none of us would ever become business owners..

An entrepreneur's drive has little to do with a degree and is all about the drive to keep a business afloat those first few years..

The reason most business's fail is because an entrepreneur can just as easily drive his own company in the ground as it took him to get it off the ground..

Many entrepreneur's cannot run a business.. but they can start a business and put all the hard work and heartbreaking dedication into it to get it running...

A smart entrepreneur starts his company and puts all the hard work and effort into it then hires people who can run it for him...

My father was an entrepreneur.. My brother and I run the company he started.
We have been doing it for more than 24 of the 30 years it has been around.. My father passed away in the 80's and we took over from where he left off..
We took it thru the computer era and have more than doubled our size and sales since the 80's.

I do believe that neither my brother or I could have started this business and made it successful..
My dad the entrepreneur ran it for 5 years then he retired and let my brother and I run it for a year or so and then he passed away so the torch was passed.
We were at my fathers side the whole time.. working for this company.. doing what was needed to make deadlines.. make payroll , setting up quality/control etc. etc..
You are right, but as I said to Trialbyfire, there are things you could have learned in college that maybe you wouldn't have learned otherwise. I think there are many great business owners as well as many crappy ones...with or without degrees.

On an unrelated yet maybe partially related note, I just bought a house not too long ago. My college offered a course in real estate. Had I not taken that class, the whole home-buying experience would have been a lot more terrifying & blind to me. There are courses one can take in college on how to start and run a successful business...
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Old 4th June 2008, 1:45 PM   #56
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there is always that risk of losing your job- it's inevitable,
Welcome to the real world.. nobody's job is safe...

If I lost my job and this company I might start another one.. simple.. I'm too old to go back start going to college...
I might take the money I have put away form all the years and retire..

My options are there.. you won't find me getting a corp job somewhere..
I don't have a resume and honestly my resume might not look too good being that this is the only job I have had ( unless you count cutting yards as a teen or painting houses during the summer).

If I decided to not retire then I would take some of the money that I have and reinvest it into another business and I'll do it without a degree...
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You are brainwashed.
could you explain your comment ?.. How am I brainwashed ?
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Old 4th June 2008, 1:46 PM   #58
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well yes I could lose my job at anytime, I am fully aware of that, but b/c I have a college education, should that happen, I have a resume and plenty of other areas of expertise & knowledge to fall back on...things I would not have had I not elected to go to college. College is not for everyone I get that, but it is really an advantage to have it.

Regardless of whether you have a degree or not, work for someone else or for yourself, there is always that risk of losing your job- it's inevitable, and yes, terrifying. If it happened to you though, would you have something else to fall back on? How easy would it be for you to get another job?

Also when you say you never needed a resume to get a job in your life, what kind of "job" are you referring to?...b/c most jobs I would think you would need a resume for...
I could go to work tomorrow for just about any local company in my field.
I do have 2 other businesses that I do part time..... so could also focus on those and have them grow.
I could go back to construction/remodeling. (I have been turning down several jobs recently in this field)
I used to own a paint company.... could go do that.
Worst case scenario I would average $15 an hour.
I know plenty of rich people that need their toilets scrubbed.
I can go clean up at a turkey farm (**** picker) for $12 and hour
Of course there is always the porn industry....
and crack sales.
I certainly could get a reg. job at a big box store without a doubt or a service industry job.
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Welcome to the real world.. nobody's job is safe...

If I lost my job and this company I might start another one.. simple.. I'm too old to go back start going to college...
I might take the money I have put away form all the years and retire..

My options are there.. you won't find me getting a corp job somewhere..
I don't have a resume and honestly my resume might not look too good being that this is the only job I have had ( unless you count cutting yards as a teen or painting houses during the summer).

If I decided to not retire then I would take some of the money that I have and reinvest it into another business and I'll do it without a degree...
Personally I feel you are never too old to go back to school...never too old to learn something new, so-to-speak. My aunt was 55 years old when she went back.
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You are brainwashed.
I'm not under anyone's control other than my own..
My own reality is my reality... granted there are things out there I have never experienced with working.. but I can't do anything about that today.. I am who I am...
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