Men don't need marriage!

[Pyro]

A huge over-generalization. Have I ever known women like this? Yes.

 

However, it is a neurotic tendency, not a trait associated with a healthy woman.

 

Exactly. There are women out there who are corrupt like that, but to say most of them are is crap and is not true.

[redfathom]

A bad (used loosly, because some people just don't mix*) person makes a bad mariage it does not matter what sex they are and it does not apply to all of them.

 

* I tried to tell my friend who was having a hard breakup and feeling like she would always be alone that she was ice cream and he was lasanga and she needed to find her hot fudge. People compliment one another nor complete them.

[IpAncA]

Good point.

 

I guess some people have met majority of married women.

[pricillia]

Man, if I wasn't a taken woman, I'd have a 3-some with PG and Alpha!

 

Yeah because they are soooo much alike it will be like being with one man anyway

[norajane]

I wish there were more people who had the "who needs marriage" attitude. Then maybe I wouldn't have spent the last 15 years buying untold amounts of bridal shower gifts, wedding gifts, and bridesmaid dresses (with matching shoes).

 

And maybe I wouldn't have had to spend the last 15 years being told I "should find a man and get married", dodging the "when are YOU getting married" questions from relatives at family weddings, and having people look at me with pity and that "aw, what a picky/lonely loser you must be!" expression when they find out I've never been married.

 

And maybe I wouldn't have had to feel like I was such a huge disappointment to my family, an outcast in society (old maid! spinster! dinner for, er, one??), and like the last woman on the planet who hasn't walked down that aisle.

 

 

If marriage is so terrible, why does our society completely revolve around the status and convention? Why is it automatically assumed there is "something wrong" with a person who is in their late 30's and hasn't married?

[luvtoto]

and having people look at me with pity and that "aw, what a picky/lonely loser you must be!"

I know what you mean!! I can totally relate with that, norajane.

[norajane]

I know what you mean!! I can totally relate with that, norajane.

 

You know, I don't feel like a loser until people look at me like that. And it's so bad here in the midwest. When I was out in CA, there were a lot of single people there and lots of different lifestyles and pairings and whatnot. Here, it's Noah's Ark, and I really can see how wearing it is on me emotionally, even though I have a bf...but, I'm not married, so I am a loser.

[Noos]

Some of these posts make me think that some guys are incapable of forming emotional attachments to other people. I'm not saying you have to get married to prove an emotional attachment but the way you guys say pizza, porn, hookers and fluff and fold makes women sound like interchangeable robots rather than individuals.

 

And the views of feminism are bizarre. I don't mind cooking, cleaning, gardening sometimes but I don't like being expected to do it because I'm female. I especially didn't like it when my male housemate yelled at me for not doing enough cleaning when I worked full-time too and he did none and played golf every weekend.

 

As for the post-nups, some of us gals have the same or greater earning capacity than some of you guys. So to presume that we are gonna take you to the cleaners and that YOU need a pre-nup is a bit off.

 

If you guys are so bitter about divinding money up after divorce, why don't you get together with women who earn more than you do...oh, right...they're all feminist ball-breaking bitches aren't they...unreasonable because they expect you to do half the child care and half the housework....

[luvtoto]

You know, I don't feel like a loser until people look at me like that. And it's so bad here in the midwest. When I was out in CA, there were a lot of single people there and lots of different lifestyles and pairings and whatnot. Here, it's Noah's Ark, and I really can see how wearing it is on me emotionally, even though I have a bf...but, I'm not married, so I am a loser.

I live in Nebraska. If you are not paired off, there is something wrong with you.

[Porn_Guy]

If marriage is so terrible, why does our society completely revolve around the status and convention? Why is it automatically assumed there is "something wrong" with a person who is in their late 30's and hasn't married?

I don't know...maybe its a religious thing. But I heard on the radio the other day that for the 1st time in US history there are more single females than married females. Which is great cause it means there are more single men too.

[Topper]

Can't people take a joke! the pizza floff and fold with the porn on the side wasa joke.

By the way if the woman does make more then her husband under most state laws she still will get the majority of the assets.

[Noos]

Not down here in Oz. We have case law for that stuff. No automatic 50/50 split.

[Porn_Guy]

By the way if the woman does make more then her husband under most state laws she still will get the majority of the assets.

...and the kids

[Porn_Guy]

I live in Nebraska.

who lives there?

[luvtoto]

who lives there?

ME!! Weren't you paying attention?

[norajane]

I don't know...maybe its a religious thing. But I heard on the radio the other day that for the 1st time in US history there are more single females than married females. Which is great cause it means there are more single men too.

 

Does that include divorcees and widows? 'Cause they don't count - they don't get the pity glances...you know, 'cause they were able to snag a man at one point, while I'm the pathetic single woman who never managed to.

 

I honestly have had people tell me "it wouldn't be so sad if you had been married at one point even if you got divorced..."

[IpAncA]

Does that include divorcees and widows? 'Cause they don't count - they don't get the pity glances...you know, 'cause they were able to snag a man at one point, while I'm the pathetic single woman who never managed to.

 

Okay so your not married. Big freaking deal.

 

Not sure why your complaining because you DID snag one. Your still with your bf right? Not sure because you say your single but say your not.

[norajane]

Okay so your not married. Big freaking deal.

 

Not sure why your complaining because you DID snag one. Your still with your bf right? Not sure because you say your single but say your not.

 

Yes, I have a bf. Yes, I'm calling myself single here, because that is what everyone around me considers me - starting with the Chicago Title & Trust that labels me a spinster on my house purchase documents, to all the people that look at my diamond-less left hand and tsk tsk tsk me because poor, pathetic me has never been married.

 

I'm complaining because I moved back here only 6 months ago, so it's been glaringly apparent to me how women are viewed in the midwest if they aren't married - something I wasn't even conscious of in CA - and I am already sick and tired of the pitying looks and questions about whyyyyyyy I haven't been able to walk down the aisle and gain social legitimacy.

[Porn_Guy]

starting with the Chicago Title & Trust that labels me a spinster on my house purchase documents,

oh i didn't know they had a check box for "spinster"

 

and I am already sick and tired of the pitying looks and questions about whyyyyyyy I haven't been able to walk down the aisle and gain social legitimacy.

they aren't pitying looks....they want you join them cause misery loves company

[norajane]

oh i didn't know they had a check box for "spinster"

 

It's the label under the signature line. Norajane Loser, Spinster. Men are labeled as "Porn Guy, Unmarried Man"

 

In California, real estate documents identify you as "unmarried woman" or "unmarried man".

[Porn_Guy]

In California, real estate documents identify you as "unmarried woman" or "unmarried man".

it beats unwanted man or woman

[norajane]

it beats unwanted man or woman

 

You mean it's not the same thing?

[Guest]

Some of these posts make me think that some guys are incapable of forming emotional attachments to other people. I'm not saying you have to get married to prove an emotional attachment but the way you guys say pizza, porn, hookers and fluff and fold makes women sound like interchangeable robots rather than individuals.

 

And the views of feminism are bizarre. I don't mind cooking, cleaning, gardening sometimes but I don't like being expected to do it because I'm female. I especially didn't like it when my male housemate yelled at me for not doing enough cleaning when I worked full-time too and he did none and played golf every weekend.

 

As for the post-nups, some of us gals have the same or greater earning capacity than some of you guys. So to presume that we are gonna take you to the cleaners and that YOU need a pre-nup is a bit off.

 

If you guys are so bitter about divinding money up after divorce, why don't you get together with women who earn more than you do...oh, right...they're all feminist ball-breaking bitches aren't they...unreasonable because they expect you to do half the child care and half the housework....

 

Bravo! Very well said.

[crazy_grl]

This is true but that word is beyond redemption. Every man should sign a prenup as well in case the marriage goes sour. It gives him an easy out.

 

Why is it that this is how prenups are viewed? I realize that's how most people view them, but I just don't get it. I'd never get married without a prenup but not because I want an easy out where I can keep all my stuff. I'd want the prenup to include conditions for divorce, including requirements for marriage counseling which we've both agreed on. Can't prenups include things like monetary penalties for not choosing to work on the marriage if both partners agree?

 

It's true that you don't know whether the person you're going to marry is just a lying piece of scum trying to get your $. Even if they're a not, you don't know how they might change and what kind of person they might be down the road. But you don't know how you'll change either. You (male or female) could just as easily be the one to have some kind of mid-life crisis and end up spending much of your family's well-earned money on some hot 21 year old.

 

Don't you want to protect the person you love from what what you might do? If I flip out 10 years from now and start cheating on my H, I hope he'll divorce me, kick me out, and keep all his money and possessions. I'd want to put that down on paper so the courts couldn't take those things from him. I might not like it if it happens, but I'll have made my own bed. I don't think I'd marry someone who doesn't feel the way.

 

To me, a prenuptial agreement should be about protecting what the two of you envisioned for your future at the time you were married, not about how much cash you get when it ends. But maybe I'm just idealistic.

 

All you guys saying you want prenups for an easy out yet complaining about how you can't find a good woman really have no room to talk. If you're all about "me, me, me" how can you expect to get a woman who's any different?

[Porn_Guy]

To me, a prenuptial agreement should be about protecting what the two of you envisioned for your future at the time you were married, not about how much cash you get when it ends. But maybe I'm just idealistic.

the big battles in the avg divorce occur over financial and material posessions.