catgirl1927 Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 You go, girl! His statements are ignorant and self righteous. Women also have to work harder at looking good if they've ever borne children, which is the majority of us. Trust me, my body changed quite a bit after my third child was born in my mid-30's. That didn't make me give up; I just worked harder, and it's paid off. I look good and am told that by men as well as women, and what's more, I feel good! And I work full time at a job 45 minutes away from my home. And take care of my home and my son - ON MY OWN. EXACTLY. Sure, some men work harder than some women. But to say that all women don't work as hard as any man is just ridiculous.
hotgurl Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 michelangelo what does your wife put in? I work about 9.5 hour days my day starts at 7 and ends at 10pm. Yes last night I was up to 10pm cooking cleaning and doing house projects. So I wake up take a shower, wake daughter up make her breakfast make our lunch make sure she has all her stuff and is ready to go to school. Drop her off at school. Work about a 9 hour day plus I also have an 30 minute commute to work (an 1 a day) eat lunch at desk. Pick up dd from sitter. go home make her a snack. Start dinner serve dinner (btw Bf is home by 4-4:30 he likes to bike after work) I get home at 6:30-7pm Clean up dinner plates help DD with homework. get her bath started. wash dishes. put daughter to bed. It's now 9pm. Now sometimes I will do chores and sometimes I will watch Tv or read a book. In bed by 11pm. PS men lose weight quickier than women.
catgirl1927 Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 Well, I typically work a 10 hour day. Generally without a lunch break. Then I go spend an hour and half in the gym, after driving there for half an hour. I usually get home around 9:00, at which time I clean, do laundry, whatever needs to be done. (I don't have any kids, moms have more work to do) I usually get about 5 hours of sleep a night, IF my BB doesn't go off from work problems. I don't know what "leizure" is, but I have no time for leisure. My extra time is spent cleaning up or working out.
michelangelo Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 At least I consider it to be. and who gets overtime? I work in software in california. There is no paid overtime. if I don 't like the overload, they just ship the work to India.
hotgurl Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 That's why people are getting fatter. Working out shouldn't be considered a lesuire activity. It should be considered a necessity.
catgirl1927 Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 Very few professionals get overtime. It sucks, but what are you gonna do? Michelangelo, clearly you hate women. Your statements are without reason. Sure, it sounds like you're working your ass off and therefore don't have time to work out. IF you're telling the truth, which I will never know. But you can't seem to prove that women are worthless and do nothing. And your argument that women are worthless has nothing to do with whether or not someone is immoral if they don't find fat people attractive. And anyone who considers working out to be play time is not concerned with health or fitness. Or looks, for that matter.
RarePearl Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 I am not taking anyone's side on this, just stating my situation at home. My husband works from 9 am to 6 pm. He goes to the gym 3 times a week, twice before work and once on Saturday morning. He is a great dad (gets the kids ready for school sometimes while I am still asleep) and doesn't do anything in the house. I don't want him to as I don't want to share the "credits" for it with him. I already share my credits with the woman who cleans the house so I gladly cook almost every day and clean up the mess that the kids create, do laundry and shopping. I work much less than my husband, since our kids go to school and are not at home from 8,30 am 'till 4 pm. I can work, but I don't have to, my husband prefers me at home too, I think, but he is OK with whatever choice I'd make. Honestly, when you have little kids and no one to help you, I think you do more and harder work than working in the office for 40 hours a week. But being overweight has way more to do with eating habits than physical activity. Many people nowadays are not very active. And many people can't resist the bad food. I go to the gym 3 times a week and swim twice a week and I still can't lose weight until I cut off my extra carbs and fats from the meals. So I watch my diet and rely on it much more than on working out. Working out will make me healthier and tighter in the long run, but not help me MUCH in retaining my weight. Walking for an hour a day will help you lose weight better than lifting weights anyway. And it's easier than jogging and less boring than the cardio machines.
michelangelo Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 Man, talk about hostile! Catgirl, I don't hate women, nor do I think that they have no value. Your extrapolation is your own head trip. My POINT has to do with leisure time by gender. If you hate me and all men, that's your thing. My statements unreasoned? Hmmm
RarePearl Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 Michelangelo, clearly you hate women.He doesn't hate women; I think he is just bitter at his wife for many (justified) reasons. By the way, somebody mentioned something about kids and their beauty preferences. My sons like thin girls and have a very precise judgment on what's thin and what's not. Whenever I want to know whether I look fat in some skirt, I ask them and completely trust their judgment. I won't get that honesty from my husband ever!
hotgurl Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 well I think nowadays neither sex has much leisure time
RarePearl Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 Not sure what is the bit deal on this topic. 1) Someone puts on excessive weight then they risk their spouse not finding them sexually attractive. Attractiveness is more important to some then others. Does not make it wrong. Does not make one shallow. But I tell you what, when/if your spouse finally gets tired of being married to an obese person and divorces you, you can still hold to the many excuses written in these posts. 2) Does not matter how fast or slow weight is put on. Not relevant. 3) Love me for who I am...........bullsh_t excuse. SEE NUMBER ONE. 4) Spouse should look attractive as possible. Comments about wrinkles, age, etc have nothing to do with weight. 5) Too busy - excuse 6) For those who have tried to get spouse to do something about weight.......a majority will not do anything about it so either live with it or leave. What a great post! Sums it up shortly and sharply.
RarePearl Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 Michelangelo, I don't think we should mix genders and working hours with lame nutrition habits. There are probably more fat women than men anyway and the same rules go for them too from the aesthetic viewpoint. Nobody has to look perfect, but putting on 60 or 80 lbs is not healthy and not attractive at all. Are there any excuses for grabbing a huge piece of cake after you had a big deli sandwich instead of eating chicken breast, boiled potato, and fresh veggies? Still hungry? Grab a bowl of oatmeal! Still hungry? No, you're not. Get off the table and brush your teeth. Go for a walk. The body doesn't need all the food we put in it. It's tasty, but we have to resist it at least 50% of the time. We don't have to say "NO" to everything, but we don't have to eat big quantities of it. Just a little bit of discipline can get us in a great shape. The tasty and fattening food is not our friend, it's our enemy. If it can make us fat and eventually kill us, if it can make us undesirable and ashamed then it's an enemy we should never let out of our sight. Don't join them, you can fight them!
Guest Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 "4) Spouse should look attractive as possible. Comments about wrinkles, age, etc have nothing to do with weight." But they all have to do with attractiveness and she said she didn't find fat "attractive".. will she find baldness and sagginess unattractive too? What man finds a saggy stomach attractive? Even if it is due to giving birth? Irrelevant. Like she said, her husband is attractive in every other way so far... well, wait until he isn't.
catgirl1927 Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 BEWARE THE SUPERFISH Seriously. I think you're right. It's ok for him to generalize and make statements about how bad women are, but for me to say that's not reasonable means that I hate men. Makes sense, huh???
ridingthebulls Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 My sons like thin girls and have a very precise judgment on what's thin and what's not. Whenever I want to know whether I look fat in some skirt, I ask them and completely trust their judgment. Gee, wonder where they learn it from? LOL. pathetic. And btw, when a 5 year old says straight out "I dont like fat boys".. that means she probably doesn't like them period.. 5 year olds dont think about romance or dating.. they think of friendship and she will turn out to be just another bully from trash parents who are too dumb to raise unprejudiced caring children.
worriedsick Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 <---- Talking about leisure time. Apparently you're claiming to know that the guy who is the subject of this thread has absolutely zero leisure time. I'm just not buyin' it. You can make excuse after excuse for him, but he wears the truth ALL OVER HIS BODY. You're exactly right - he has a s***load of free time and does very little to lose the weight. He had a job where he got off at 5:30 every day. Since I take care of everything around the house, he should've had plenty of time to work out, but he always had excuses, like he was too tired or too stressed. Blah blah blah. I'm tired all the time, but I still get up and take care of our child, do all the laundry, get the dry cleaning, cook, clean the house, wash the dogs, and whatever else is left to do. I swear to God, as soon as I get done doing something his response is "I was going to do that". In turn I ask "Well, when you saw me in the process, why didn't you take over or tell me you'd do it". He then tells me "Well, I was going to do it on my own time schedule, not yours". What the hell is his time schedule? When every dish in the house is dirty or no one has any clean underwear? I don't think so. I'll even bring laundry out into the living room for him to help me fold while we watch TV late in the evening, and when I ask him to help me, he huffs and puffs and begrudgingly does it. On top of it, when he does volunteer to load the dishwasher, he bitches at me if i haven't already unloaded it!!! Seriously, I could go on for days about how damn lazy he is, but this thread is already reaaaally long already. Basically, he has no excuse for being fat - he's simply lazy. Our friends have even commented on how big of an ass he is, as he wouldn't even do the yard work until recently when all the other male friends started making fun of him. I begged and pleaded for him to help and he wouldn't. Whenever I would go change into the "yard clothes" to go mow, he'd ask me to come sit with him on the couch and mow later. My response turned into "No thanks, I don't wanna sit around like a fat couch potato all day long. I'm actually going to do something". So anyway, obviously he has brought all this on himself. Hell, maybe that's why I'm in such GOOD shape, because I work like a damn slave all day long (on top of my actual "job" which takes up at least 10 hours a day).
zarathustra Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 Ok, I've been alive the same time period as you have been, maybe a little longer. I'm not a vestige from the past. You can refute the truthfulness of what I stated because it annoys you that it is so, but it doesn't change things. belittling women by saying they have tons of time because you don't make time doesn't make you smart... makes you IGNORANT. You state: In my home country many men and women work 14 hours + per day and still maintain good shape. Are you saying that the average work day in your country, wherever that is, is 14 hours a day? And this is true for both men and women? Are you talking strictly about the paid employment or tossing in something else? Strict employment and where I came from we work every other weekend as well. Oh yeah, mat leave is 4 weeks before expected delivery and 6 weeks after... if you deliver early you don't get extra time off. So your reality is quite skewed. Let's break this down. Your brother works 14 hours a day at a job. Let's also give him an hour to commute both ways, That's 15. Add in an hour for working out (presuming he does this working out at home?) We're up to 16. So now we add in some chores. Should we say 2 more hours? That's 18 hours. Ok, now let's add in 30 minutes each for just two meals. That's 19 hours. How much time per day does it take to b a great dad? Let's try just even an hour per kid (presuming two kids). Now we're up to 21 hours. That leaves 3 hours for sleeping, talking to the wife, sex, any other recreational pursuit, gasing up the car? That's about right... he does sleep on average around 3 maybe 4 hours a day so did I for many years when I was taking care of my family... many people function quite well on that. Sometimes he takes his kids to school before he goes to work. He goes to the gym (its enroute home) and doesn't work out at home and if its really busy, he may miss one or two days a week. If he needs to miss more, then he adjust his diet. He runs his own business and many times he fits in lunch a few minutes at a time. As for the calcs, people... doncha get a couple of days off a week? Hmmm... now that you've put all these things into perspective you can honestly tell me you are REALLY hard working? I don't know about that... Not arguing that people ought to live better, healthier lives. However, you refuting that this is how it happens for a lot of men and not for a lot of women is to ignore reality. I don't know where you live but there's plenty of fat women around... as many as fat men. All I'm saying is that people can choose how to spend their time. Even if people worked out 4 times a week at 1/2 hour a day, there'd be many healthier people around. How much TV do people watch nowadays. Well Tivo it and go for a sprint around the block. Get a dog and make sure Fido gets a walk. Its really not as difficult as you make it sound and everyone can do it. Women do a lot. But as far as work hours per day and it's effect on men goes, vs. work hours per day for women and the the effect on them goes, I don't stand corrected. Women work and then have to have the added responsibility at home too... But then again, it doesn't seem to me like you give housework and taking care of the kids much value. See ladies, that's what feminism has done to our society... ungrateful men who think we have tons of 'free time'
worriedsick Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 I agree. They are really hyperventilating and going insane over nothing. that first picture looks like the body average of many men I see. Only reason that guy looks so bad is because of his ugly face, glasses, pale skin and diaper. So, by this logic, since a lot of men are fat, it's okay for my hubby to be fat as well? Fine, if everyone decides that they're going to jump off a cliff one day, I fully expect to see you jumping with them, since "everybody else is doing it".
zarathustra Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 How many hours a week do you devote to your job? I typically have to work a minimum of 10 hours a day. sometimes as much as 16. yeah, and some of it spills over on the weekend. 50-60 hours a week. How many a week to household chores? I put in about 2 hours a day during the week. With another 10 hours or so on the weekend. This includes kitchen things, yard things, grocery shopping and cooking, and laundry. About 20 hours a week How many a week to leizure activities? If I'm lucky, I put in a bike ride on the weekend and another once during the week. About three hours. Many large software/IT firms have gym and special gym memberships for employees inside the building. I used to work out at lunch time. It was wonderful as my brain had a bit of a break and I went back to work refreshed and energized. Its called co-ordination dude... if there's a will there's a way.
ridingthebulls Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 By the way, I don't think prejudice is involved when someone doesn't wanna 'do' a grossly overweight person, or find them unattractive. It's called personal preference. This is America. We're entitled to our own likes and dislikes. I'll ask this again: Have you ever approached a fat girl and asked her for a date bull rider? I seriously doubt it. And as for guys who like gals with big titties, does that mean he's prejudiced against gals with small ones? Geez! Excuse me, but I was referring to a five year old. Exactly why should a five year old be thinking of "do"ing a person, overweight or not? What makes you think all men like gargantuan silicone hard baseball tits? That's a personal preference. But if I loved a woman, I would overlook the silicone!
ridingthebulls Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 You're exactly right - he has a s***load of free time and does very little to lose the weight. He had a job where he got off at 5:30 every day. Since I take care of everything around the house, he should've had plenty of time to work out, but he always had excuses, like he was too tired or too stressed. Blah blah blah. I'm tired all the time, but I still get up and take care of our child, do all the laundry, get the dry cleaning, cook, clean the house, wash the dogs, and whatever else is left to do. I swear to God, as soon as I get done doing something his response is "I was going to do that". In turn I ask "Well, when you saw me in the process, why didn't you take over or tell me you'd do it". He then tells me "Well, I was going to do it on my own time schedule, not yours". What the hell is his time schedule? When every dish in the house is dirty or no one has any clean underwear? I don't think so. I'll even bring laundry out into the living room for him to help me fold while we watch TV late in the evening, and when I ask him to help me, he huffs and puffs and begrudgingly does it. On top of it, when he does volunteer to load the dishwasher, he bitches at me if i haven't already unloaded it!!! Seriously, I could go on for days about how damn lazy he is, but this thread is already reaaaally long already. Basically, he has no excuse for being fat - he's simply lazy. Our friends have even commented on how big of an ass he is, as he wouldn't even do the yard work until recently when all the other male friends started making fun of him. I begged and pleaded for him to help and he wouldn't. Whenever I would go change into the "yard clothes" to go mow, he'd ask me to come sit with him on the couch and mow later. My response turned into "No thanks, I don't wanna sit around like a fat couch potato all day long. I'm actually going to do something". So anyway, obviously he has brought all this on himself. Hell, maybe that's why I'm in such GOOD shape, because I work like a damn slave all day long (on top of my actual "job" which takes up at least 10 hours a day). Yep, this a much bigger problem than just some pounds of fat! You sound like the SLAVE of the family. Maybe it's time to separate and make him learn how to take care of himself. Do something already.. just stop talking and DO! I don't wanna sit around like a fat couch potato all day long. These insults are probably just the tip of the iceburg... you can't blame him for feeling like crap. There are medical problems that make people too tired.. maybe it is something more than just being LAZY, especially if this just started a few years ago. If it's just laziness.. that's probably because he's so used to you taking care of 100% of the home for some years. Maybe you should have gave him more responsibility early on.
michelangelo Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 By stating that women have more leisure time then men generally speaking. And also tell me what country it is that the average work day is 14 hours a day. I've been told here that I hate women because I told of a very typical scenario for why a guy might get fat. Namely, that the guy is sitting on his butt 10+ hours a day and doing household chores and childcare duties with no time left for leisure activities. I didn't even defend the guy for allowing it to happen, nor say anyone should sleep with him o r be turned on by it. I've been told I hate women, don't value them, etc. What a load of crock! So show me where exactly it I wrote anything in this thread that shows I hate women? I haven't called women lazy, I haven't said they are inferior, nothing of that ilk at all. Interesting that I get lambasted for my opinion.
RarePearl Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 My sons like thin girls and have a very precise judgment on what's thin and what's not. Whenever I want to know whether I look fat in some skirt, I ask them and completely trust their judgment. Gee, wonder where they learn it from? LOL. pathetic. And btw, when a 5 year old says straight out "I dont like fat boys".. that means she probably doesn't like them period.. 5 year olds dont think about romance or dating.. they think of friendship and she will turn out to be just another bully from trash parents who are too dumb to raise unprejudiced caring children. Are you telling me that I taught my sons to not like fat girls? How do you think I did it? I told him "See this fat girl overthere? Don't like her!"? I know you were referring to the other girl and calling her parents all kinds of names... I really don't know them, but my sons don't bully fat people. I insist that we're all equal regardless of color, weight or race. They commented on some guy who had his nails polished black and I told them that everyone has a right to express themselves the way they want to and be different as long as they are not hurting others. I want to teach them to be kind to EVERYONE and not discriminate anyone. But I can't teach them that Britney Spears is ugly when they find her cute and I can't teach them that fat people are attractive when they find them unattractive. Only people who have no children think that everything that a child represents is what the parents taught him. Kids are not so empty-headed as you might believe. Wrinkles and sagginess are NECESSARY part of aging - gaining A LOT of weight is NOT!
RarePearl Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 And you never answered my question. Have you ever walked up to a big ol' fat chick and asked her for a date? D O U B T I T ! ! !I am desperately waiting for that answer too!
zarathustra Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 By stating that women have more leisure time then men generally speaking. if women work similar hours to men in the workplace as well as taking care of household duties which are the realities of the times we live in, by insinuating that men have less time than women belittles what they do at home. And also tell me what country it is that the average work day is 14 hours a day. Many Asian countries keep those hours. I am in north america in a cosmopolitan city and have kept constant 14 hour days depending on the demands of my work. My mother living in the same city as I do also kept 14 hour days... yes, in at work by 7, leaves at 9. There are people that do work those hours. Many of whom are women. High powered jobs requires certain sacrifices. I know some VP (many of whom are women) of large american firms where during crunch time, they go home to shower and go back to work... They don't sleep because things need to be done. Just because you don't know such people doesn't mean they don't exist. I've been told here that I hate women because I told of a very typical scenario for why a guy might get fat. Namely, that the guy is sitting on his butt 10+ hours a day and doing household chores and childcare duties with no time left for leisure activities. taking care of children is pretty exhausting and you really can't sitt on your butt doing it. If some men would chase their kids around a bit and I'm sure the the pounds would peel off. I didn't even defend the guy for allowing it to happen, nor say anyone should sleep with him o r be turned on by it. by saying that women can easily look better than men because you men have more time than us, you are defending him for getting that way. You assumed that he had no time to work out because he's such a great husband in other ways. I'm not saying you hate women, but you don't seem to respect women in today's society. I haven't called women lazy, I haven't said they are inferior, nothing of that ilk at all. No you have not called women lazy, just insinuated that we have all the time in the world to piss away because we don't work and we rely on men to take care of us. Interesting that I get lambasted for my opinion.I don't feel that I lambasted you but you presented an "untrue fact". You made a universal statment and I pointed out to you that as a woman, I do not rely on my man to take care of me. That men who work long hours don't have time to work out because they have long hours is also an untrue universal statement as I presented to you a real situation where a man does work long hours and makes time to take care of himself.
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