True or false: Men prefer average women because less work and competition?

[brigit87]

a beautiful woman produces beautiful daughters. Who wouldn't want that?

 

That's not necessarily true. A beautiful woman can have a butt ugly child.

 

In any case, beauty does fade. Your mom might be still hot but I bet when she was in her 20's she was breathtaking. Beauty is just skin and shapes, form.

 

Form is always changing. And that's a good thing.

[sabaton]

That's not necessarily true. A beautiful woman can have a butt ugly child.

Yes, but the chances of that happening are low.

 

 

 

Scientists have discovered that the offspring of a beautiful couple have up to a 70 per cent likelihood of being attractive.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/10477341/Women-should-stay-away-from-rugged-men-if-they-want-beautiful-daughters.html

 

 

Physically more attractive parents are more likely to have daughters than physically less attractive parents, both in the United States and in the United Kingdom.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201101/beautiful-people-have-more-daughters

 

 

 

 

 

In any case, beauty does fade. Your mom might be still hot but I bet when she was in her 20's she was breathtaking.

Oh, yes. She was a beauty queen, and she hardly ever had female friends because they social groups she was part of would always end up kicking her out because they were jealous of all the attention my mother got from the men. Every time my mother would go out to dance, they would flock to her and ignore her friends

 

 

Beautiful women might suffer a loss of beauty as they age, but that's like a guy with an extremely thick mane of hair losing some hair strands lol. What does it matter in the end. Men still want them, and will always want them.

 

Beauty is just skin and shapes, form.

Beauty is not just skin deep. It's something that surrounds them. A magnetic field that makes you look at them and feel yourself be flooded with feelings of well-being.

 

 

 

Peace, serenity. Comfort. Joy. Tenderness. You look at a beautiful woman and you want to lay the world at her feet. I guess there are studies done on this about why men feel this way.

 

 

Beautiful women are also charming. Extremely feminine. They are like a painting composed by ink and feelings by the greatest of masters. They have always been so sweet and kind to me, even when it was potentially dangerous to be so because I was a stranger(like me approaching a girl in the middle of the night in a foreign City because I was lost to ask where the nearest train station was at, and not only she told me where it was - she took me there by foot).

[shesabeauty]

That's not necessarily true. A beautiful woman can have a butt ugly child.

In any case, beauty does fade. Your mom might be still hot but I bet when she was in her 20's she was breathtaking. Beauty is just skin and shapes, form.

 

Form is always changing. And that's a good thing.

 

It happened a couple of times to Bruce Willis and Demi Moore, didn't it?

 

But on average, it's less likely to happen.

[Veronica73]

Wow. The shallowness in this thread is breathtaking.

[Leigh 87]

Studies have proven that relationships endure best when the man and woman are at a similar level lookswise. A man can spend more money to date up, but that doesn't mean she desires him on the primal level. In most cases if he's not as good-looking as she is, her desire will be lukewarm at best - but she'll enjoy the benefit$ as long as he keeps them coming.

 

I think a lot of men are figuring out it's not very fulfilling to be with a woman who doesn't truly desire him. She'll look good on your arm, but won't go out of her way to please you in bed, for example. She might go through the motions to keep the benefits coming. But most men can tell the difference between going through the motions and genuinely striving to please.

 

The tines ten.

 

I am in the best sexual relationship yet and we happen to both be the same look wise.

[Lotus_Luna]

I wasn’t wholly attracted to my husband and that became an issue.

 

He married me as a status symbol. He got off knowing other men found me desirable and attractive. Stroked his ego that they wanted me, but he was the one who ****ed me.

 

 

Until I had my emotional affair. The guy was smarter, more socially adapt and crazy hot... and provided a deep intellectual and emotional connection for me.

 

Husbands ego deflated. Hasn’t recovered.

[Mrschaney]

My husband thinks Im a ten even though Im a solid 7. He tells me Im beautiful everyday. Love makes you look better!

[gaius]

When I met my wife it was obvious there was some special, fierce chemistry between us. Then she found out how young I was and dating became out of the question. So after much pursing I finally got her out on a date, then another date, then I moved nearby and we started dating regularly. After that it was we could date but she was never going to marry me. But I knew otherwise.

 

Took me about 2 1/2 years but I finally got her right where I wanted, with the ring on her finger and in my bed every night. She's the most beautiful thing I've ever laid my eyes on, mind, body and soul and although there were many easier ways to a relationship I would have worked 20 years at it if that's what it took. Wouldn't trade her for anything.

[Logo]

False. Problem solved. Please close this thread already.

[Mike800]

Pretty sad thread adults obsessing over looks..A couple has to be exactly evenly matched or one is gonna stray because of it?

 

Some of you need to grow up..a relationship is a lot more then just about looks but judging by this thread a lot of you think it’s the most important thing.

Edited November 16, 2018 by Mike800

[Springsummer]

No, it won't. My mother is 60 years old, and she's still like that. She's still a curvy 90lbs at 4'10''.

 

 

 

Guys who are 20 years younger than her, heck even attractive guys in their mid 20s and 30s approach my mother all the time. I can't leave her alone for 5 minutes without guys coming up to her, and even when guys see that she's accompanied by a man(me) they stare at her like they have been in jail for the last 20 years and this is the first time they've seen a woman since coming out.

 

Your mom must be the unicorn in this universe then, because I have yet to known a 60 woman who is attractive to 20s.

 

Or you are simply just smoke too much and hallucination:

 

or are you on your way to become a fantasy writer?

[Mysterio]

When I think of an Average woman. The first thought that comes to mind is a a woman that does not do anything to perk her look up.

[sabaton]

Wow. The shallowness in this thread is breathtaking.

 

 

Shallowness?

 

Is there something morally wrong with people seeking either sexually attractive partners, or people pairing up with someone who is sufficently good enough but not considered to be very attractive, which would make the competition to get them/to keep them stiff and simply too much work?

 

Now, what really amazed me in those years I spent in college was how the most attractive girls were completely ignored by men. I'm not just talking about the most attractive men pursuing other girls who were attractive but not model-attractive, because those girls were easier to take to bed than the extremely attractive ones.

 

I'm talking about guys who figured that pursuing and dating those girls would be too much work, and they didn't even bother to glance at them. Despite the summer time, the girls wearing shorts shorts, mid-riff shirts, summer dresses, and all that fanfare.

 

The majority of these guys were either completely oblivious to these girls, or they checked them out but very discreetly.

 

Since when are 18 year old men discreet about the sexual desire they feel for girls?

 

When I think of an Average woman. The first thought that comes to mind is a a woman that does not do anything to perk her look up.

That depends on where we live, bro.

 

Back home, this is the average woman.

 

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/09/article-2686676-1F7BF69200000578-226_634x481.jpg

 

In Portimão this is the average girl

 

https://stabmag.com/assets/Uploads/Akila-Portuguese-05.jpg

 

 

And all it takes to get that girl to hook-up with you is to be an average-looking man, and to have some charm about you.

 

 

What's funny is that they say 60% of the Country is obese, but I sure as hell ain't seeing that. I ain't seeing it in the thousands of colleges students I saw in college. I ain't seeing that in the restaurants, shops, groceries stores, or on the subway or buses.

Edited November 17, 2018 by sabaton

[sabaton]

Your mom must be the unicorn in this universe then, because I have yet to known a 60 woman who is attractive to 20s.

 

Or you are simply just smoke too much and hallucination:

 

or are you on your way to become a fantasy writer?

 

 

You clearly don't interact much with attractive people. That would explain it.

[nospam99]

Your mom must be the unicorn in this universe then, because I have yet to known a 60 woman who is attractive to 20s.

 

Go on an OLD site and browse 60 women's profiles. I'll expand the age range to 58 to 'pick up' the most attractive woman I've met. Admittedly I'm in my mid 60's. But 5 of the 60 women (including the 58) who I've met are so attractive that they'd have been attractive to me in my 20s. The photos of all 5 were accurate or LESS attractive than they were in real life. Dozens more OLD 60 women who I haven't met but whose photos would have been attractive to me in my 20s. Also even more 60 women who are not attractive to me even now. Granted, though, that when I was in my 20s I was interested in meeting a woman to marry and raise a family with so I DATED women who were also in their 20s.

[littleblackheart]

Wow. The shallowness in this thread is breathtaking.

 

Yes.

 

That and the bizarre notion that attractiveness

1. is universal (as opposed to a social construct)

2. only based on physical traits and

3. excludes specific groups of people.

 

Either way, I'm going on the assumption that men prefer the women they can actually attract, and that they are attracted to themselves, whatever everyone looks like.

[Whodatdog]

If most men went after "average" (whatever that term means) women because of less competition, then more men would be after average women and the competition would be stronger, so then there would be less competition for the "10" women, so the "10" woman would be easier to get.

 

There. Solved that.

[sabaton]

Yes.

 

That and the bizarre notion that attractiveness

1. is universal (as opposed to a social construct)

2. only based on physical traits and

3. excludes specific groups of people.

 

Attractiveness is a social construct? No, science has pretty much defined attractiveness within certain parameters, and there's tons of scientific backing behind it.

 

This is what makes a woman sexually attractive.

 

Youth(most men would love to have sex with a 18-22 year old woman).

Clear skin, without blemishes.

Straight white teeth.

Wide hips, a certain waist to hips ratio.

A very feminine face, big eyes(signs of high levels of fertility)

 

Flat stomach.

Then there are personal preferences like, big breasts or big butts, or in my case -I love Middle-Eastern women.

 

An example of Apex female beauty, this girl in a bikini.

 

https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/swimsuit/web/sara-sampaio/2014/sara-sampaio-2014-photo-sports-illustrated-205080215.jpg

 

You see tons of girls like that in Portimão. Makes me wonder why they're working in coffee shops instead of modelling lel.

 

She makes millions a year, and because of her attractiveness and fame she gets to date a multi-millionaire.

 

What makes a man hot is,

 

His height, how wide his shoulders are(the wider the better), with having shoulders wider than his hips preferable, facial symmetry, a full head of thick hair, straight white teeth, clear skin, a square jawline, high cheekbones, a lean level of muscularity(Brad Pitt in Fight club), an Adonis Belt, and a six-pack.

 

Having one or two of these physical characteristics do make for an attractive man. Having all or the majority of these physical characteristics make for a very, very attractive man and the majority of the women who are looking for casual sex will probably sleep with him if he's not a jerk.

 

This is whay male models are models and the average joe ain't.

 

Shirtless male model dudes.

 

https://assets.vogue.com/photos/5891f4d89c1609bf7a72f015/master/pass/Zac-Jordan-Louis.jpg

 

Picture of some random joe

 

http://www.informationng.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/American-Kirikiri.jpg

 

hence why one dude is getting sex with some of the most beautiful women in the world, and the other can't even visit an escort because prostittution is illegal in the states, which makes his chances of sleeping with an attractive woman go down to zero.

 

if beauty wasn't biological and set on stone we'd have men like Danny Devito become sex symbols and men like Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford, Brad Pitt and Cristiano Ronaldo be ignored by masses of women instead of being the most eligible men in the world, even if they were dirt poor

 

The more men want sex the more they lower their standards while frisky females RAISE theirs, new study finds

Sexually hyperactivated men consider almost ANY female a potential partner

Sexually hyperactivated women showed a far greater interest towards the most attractive mates

Women subconsciously prefer dominant and attractive males because their requirement from a short-term mate is to procreate

A man's 'sexual system's goal' is simply to have sex

'Men, being the less investing sex, are expected to be less selective than women,' say the psychologists behind the report

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2278597/The-men-want-sex-lower-standards-frisky-females-RAISE-theirs-new-study-finds.html

 

So nah, beauty is not a social construct. Because if it was I wouldn't get overshadowed in nightclubs by male models when they're around.

 

Either way, I'm going on the assumption that men prefer the women they can actually attract, and that they are attracted to themselves, whatever everyone looks like.

From what I've seen, guys have a varied taste in women. Having a much higher sex drive than women have and having a harder time getting sex than any women could ever have results in guys saying yes, to most of the women who are willing. Edited November 17, 2018 by sabaton

[littleblackheart]

Attractiveness is a social construct? No, science has pretty much defined attractiveness within certain parameters, and there's tons of scientic backing behind it.

 

 

Those parameters do not follow in every culture or society.

 

This is what makes a woman sexually attractive.

 

 

Youth(most men would love to have sex with a 18-22 year old woman).

Clear skin, without blemishes.

Straight white teeth.

Wide hips, a certain waist to hips ratio.

Flat stomach.

Then there are personal preferences like, big breasts or big butts.

 

 

What makes a man hot is,

 

 

His height, how wide his shoulders are(the more the better), with having wider shoulders than his waistline preferable, facial symmetry, a full head of thick hair, straight white teeth, a lean level of muscularity(Brad Pitt in Fight club), an Adonis Belt, and a six-pack.

 

You are conflating attraction with physical traits. They are decidedly not the same. This may fit your own description of what physical attraction is; not everyone's, though.

 

Having one or two of these physical characteristics do make for an attractive man. Having all or the majority of these physical characteristics make for a very, very attractive man and the majority of the women who are looking for casual sex will probably sleep with him if he's not a jerk.

 

Someone can be physically good looking yet unattractive. Women looking for casual sex are only a sub-set of the female population, and women who are only bothered about those specific traits are only a sub-set of that sub-set. You are making sweeping assumptions based on your opinion, not science.

 

if beauty wasn't biological and set on stone we'd have men like Danny Devito become sex symbols and men like Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford, Brad Pitt and Cristiano Ronaldo be ignored by masses of women instead of being the most eligible men in the world, even if they were dirt poor

 

Physical characteristics are only one part of what makes someone attractive. For some, it has no importance at all.

 

The men you are quoting are over-exposed in our media, you can't escape them, their image is polished, their personalities altered by the media lens. They have been chosen by a tiny group of people, who very clearly do not represent 7 billion people, to fit the current criteria for physical beauty - you are being socially conditioned to like what you are told to like.

 

From what I've seen, guys have a varied taste in women.

Well, yes... They don't all follow like sheep, they're not all shallow - some even need other things beside physical traits to be attracted to a woman. Crazy concept, right?

[sabaton]

Those parameters do not follow in every culture or society.

The women in most cultures seek a man who is tall. Why are the men in the Netherlands the tallest men in the world? Because Dutch women have great economical freedom and power, which allows them to choose the men they want to sleep with, and the men in that Country who are tall, are the men who get to reproduce.

 

Why are the men in Spain and Portugal the shortest men in Europe? Because Southern European women make little money and need men, which means short men get to reproduce.

The male beauty contest judged by women

 

Tall, slim, facial symmetry and good teeth - this could be the universal tick list of a beauty pageant judge.

Tall and athletic: Ostrich plumes and pompoms emphasise height.> Narrow face: Decorated with red ochre. Wide eyes: Black eyeliner made from charred egret bones. Facial symmetry: Enhanced with black, yellow and white patterns. Aquiline nose: White clay arrow stripe to look more. Long braids and cowrie shells: Symbolise fertility and wealth.White and regular teeth: Bared and emphasised with black lipstic

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-12215138

 

This guy is considered to be the most beautiful man in the Middle-East, with his aesthetics being so refined that he was even banned from entering Saudi Arabia because husbands and fathers got tired of seeing their wives and their daughters throwing themselves at him hahaha. Gorgeous.

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dhrhxNmcEGc/U9StZU6mA8I/AAAAAAAAFfE/naGZdJtudCA/s1600/Images-Omar-Borkan-Al-Gala11.jpg

 

he has high cheekbones, a wide square jawline, he's tall(6'2'') and although he used to be skinny for most of his life, his metabolism has slowed down and he's now got an atheletic, decently muscly look, which makes him even more attractive.

 

In every culture you can study and analyze, the standards of beauty are essentially the same, with some variations. But what is hot and beautiful in France, Germany or the USA is as equally desireable in Iraq, Pakistan, Japan, or Brazil.

 

You are conflating attraction with physical traits. They are decidedly not the same. This may fit your own description of what physical attraction is; not everyone's, though.

For the majority of young people, for almost everyone who is looking for sex, yes.

 

That is what attraction is. Entering a nightclub and having a girl approach you with the intent of having sex with you is what makes you sexually attractive, and that comes from having one or two physical traits that are universally attractive to women, or if you're very lucky: having all of those physical characteristics.

 

What do you perceive to be attractive in a man? Physically?

 

Someone can be physically good looking yet unattractive.

Nah. Doesn't matter that he might have an awful personality. There will still be plenty of people who will want to sleep with him, and the same goes for men. I dated a girl in college who was extremely arrogant, conceited, selfish, narcissistic, and entitled. But she was hella hot and that is more than enough for me to be attracted to her.

 

Women looking for casual sex are only a sub-set of the female population,

Nah. I've been a bartender for the past 10 years. The women you see in the nightclubs looking for casual sex are the same women you see in your day to day life, looking for a boyfriend, saying they don't want sex so fast because they need to have feelings for the guy first lol. I've had women who propositioned me for sex from the get-go, without knowing anything about me, and I've had women who wanted me to become their boyfriends, making me wait for sex.

 

Why? Because the women who wanted to have sex with me were sexually attracted to me, and when young women are honestly and genuinely sexually attracted to you they don't make you wait for sex.

 

whereas the other women weren't sexually attracted to me, but they were down to having sex with him but only if I dated them first, because unfortunately they thought I had boyfriend qualities.

 

And when women are young and still exploring their sexuality they're far more open to one-night stands and friendships with benefits, than say a woman in her late 20s, who is very likely seeking for a potential husband and a dad for her kids. Hence why I always tell guys to go for young women instead. When these guys have looks or money lol.

 

and women who are only bothered about those specific traits are only a sub-set of that sub-set. You are making sweeping assumptions based on your opinion, not science.

I'm sorry, but women want sex with men they are sexually attracted to. And these physical traits are what makes a man hot. There are women who are more cerebral and get turned on by a guy who recites Persian Poetry. There are those women who want to bed a guy because he won a pro chess tournament when he was only 18 and facing grandmasters with 50 years of experience.

 

But for a majority of young women? For a majority of young women who look like this, which happens to be what the average girl looks like in Portimão?

 

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8302/7741604774_c939674605_z.jpg

 

it's all about the guy's physical looks. For the most part. Charisma and charm and a sense of humor can go a long way. But how many 18-25 year old dudes got any of that anyway.

 

Physical characteristics are only one part of what makes someone attractive. For some, it has no importance at all.

For casual sex, if the guy is lacking what makes him physical attractive he ain't going to get sex, so yeah, physical characteristics are the most important factor a man can have, to get easy sex without having to date, and they're fundamental in getting a sexually attractive girlfriend.

 

The men you are quoting are over-exposed in our media, you can't escape them, their image is polished, their personalities altered by the media lens.

Nah. Most of my friends are male models. When I was 18 I befriended this male model who felt lonely as hell because every girl would throw herself at him, and guys felt threatned by him. I didn't. I realized that this dude was my ticket into a world that I've always wanted to be part of. Through him I got to meet a lot of female models.

 

These guys aren't polished. What you see is what they are in reality. I remember when I was in a room surrounded by male models and I was in awe at how beautiful they are. I tell you, bro. I legit understand why they make so much money off their looks.

 

They have been chosen by a tiny group of people, who very clearly do not represent 7 billion people, to fit the current criteria for physical beauty - you are being socially conditioned to like what you are told to like.

Nah. Here's the thing. Most of the women outside of the western world live in societies that are extremely patriarchal. one-night stands aren't allowed. Casual sex isn't allowed. Having a boyfriend before marriage isn't allowed. Sex before marriage isn't allowed. Wearing skirts and shorts shorts and all that? Prison time.

 

There are 7 billion people because millions, billions of women are forced to marry men they aren't attracted to. They don't have a choice. Pick any girl from Pakistan, grab a dozen of average-looking men from around the world, then pick anyone of my closest of friends and then tell the girl she's not going to get murdered in a honour kill for having casual sex and let's see which guy she picks.

 

Well, yes... They don't all follow like sheep, they're not all shallow - some even need other things beside physical traits to be attracted to a woman. Crazy concept, right?

Depends on how old they are. And being attracted to attractive women is not shallow at all. Attractive women create attractive men and by having attractive sons you guarantee your bloodline will live forever. That's why I don't understand why patriarchal societies want sons so much more than they want daughters.

 

If you don't have money to buy a wife for your son(Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, India etc) and that's what life is in the traditional islamic nations, your son is going to live a life of extreme sexual frustration and he won't have children, effectively killing off your lineage, but if you have a daughter? Even if she's unattractive you have a 100% chance of having grandsons.

Edited November 17, 2018 by sabaton

[littleblackheart]

In every culture you can study and analyze, the standards of beauty are essentially the same, with some variations. But what is hot and beautiful in France, Germany or the USA is as equally desireable in Iraq, Pakistan, Japan, or Brazil.

 

Again, physical beauty does not mean attraction. We don't all react on a primal level.

 

 

What do you perceive to be attractive in a man? Physically

 

Honestly? A great mind. The most attractive man to me is a mix of Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Aristotle and Pierre Bourdieu.

 

Physically, neither here nor there.

 

Nah. Doesn't matter that he might have an awful personality. There will still be plenty of people who will want to sleep with him, and the same goes for men. I dated a girl in college who was extremely arrogant, conceited, selfish, narcissistic, and entitled. But she was hella hot and that is more than enough for me to be attracted to her.

 

Respectfully, this is the very definition of shallowness...

 

Nah. I've been a bartender for the past 10 years. The women you see in the nightclubs looking for casual sex are the same women you see in your day to day life, looking for a boyfriend, saying they don't want sex so fast because they need to have feelings for the guy first lol. I've had women who propositioned me for sex from the get-go, without knowing anything about me, and I've had women who wanted me to become their boyfriends, making me wait for sex.

 

Your vision of the world is skewed and restricted, I feel.

 

 

I'm sorry, but women want sex with men they are sexually attracted to.

 

That's a universal truth.

 

And these physical traits are what makes a man hot.

 

For a fling, at a push, for some women. Again, that's a small minority. You need more than that to keep being attracted, imo.

 

it's all about the guy's physical looks. For the most part. Charisma and charm and a sense of humor can go a long way. But how many 18-25 year old dudes got any of that anyway.

 

How do you know this with such certainty? Your personal experience? I was that age once too, and I didn't find that to be the truth among my peers at the time.

 

The bottom line is that we seem to have wildly differing views on what constitutes 'attraction'. Appearances and casual relationships have no appeal to me and, I believe, many others too. To each their own.