thefooloftheyear Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I an who I am .....I have an unconventional physique, but I don't really care what others say or what "society" thinks is good..."society" also thinks Taylor Swift is a legendary musical genius and The Kardashians are the most interesting people in the world... I don't think Denise Milani is "thin", but try and find better than that in a female form?? I dunno...that might be pretty hard.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Jabron1 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Attractiveness in women is dictated by the media, both mainstream and also by the increasing influence of porn. No, attractiveness in women is dictated by men. The media use sex as a way to get men's attention, and because it works - not as some sort of propaganda. You are putting the cart before the horse. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SoleMate Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yeah, what's with the use of X-rays? Bizarre twist to an otherwise repetitive study. Why not use a more realistic technique to remove skin tone etc. as a factor? And study all contributing factors Link to post Share on other sites
katiegrl Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) I have been at 125-lbs and at 150-lbs. I got a huge amount of attention from men at 150-lbs because it's at that weight I have the desired ratio waist/hip. Gaeta you are super lucky that when you gain, your weight distributes proportionately. When I gain my weight does not, with most going to my tummy, ugh! While my hips, ass and legs stay the same. So I look rather weird when I gain even five pounds!! Like I am pregnant! So I stay very thin, maybe too thin for many men, I am a 34B-C on top (thank god) but the rest of me is very thin at around 110-115 pounds (and I wear 24 inch Guess jeans which is super tiny, even I acknowledge that). Many men do like my figure too though (even though the men I have dated have always encouraged me to gain some.... be careful what you wish for guys I look weird!) I wish I had the body type you have! More curves but still a thin waist -- NOT GONNA HAPPEN for me unfortunately. And I don't have much of an ass either. Edited March 22, 2016 by katiegrl 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mike_89 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Johnny Wilkinson 5ft 10 193 lbs [...] Time for a reality check... Someone needs to look up how BMI is not a good measurement for people with extreme muscle mass. For the average person (notice how studies are all about averages and not people in the extremes) BMI is a very good indicator of health and apparently attractiveness. You're sounding like one of those persons that sees "the average sheep is white" and says "that can't be right because I know a couple of sheep that are black!!". Link to post Share on other sites
Under The Radar Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 This actually mirrors my own studies into male attractiveness (especially as an aging, late 30's male). A few years ago, that lead me to the conclusion: The single most effective way for a man to appear more attractive is to exercise, lose weight, and tone up. Specifically, lose the belly. Women associate the male belly with being older, and thus less attractive. Women are (physically) attracted to youth as well. BTW, the most attractive BMI for men is around 24, or 6 foot and 180lbs. You can't argue with numbers. At 6'1 and 170 pounds I asked myself out for coffee the other day and was rejected ...... by myself. Apparently I'm holding out for something better. Oh, the travails of dating 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author PogoStick Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Agreed. I went to the doctor Thursday and was told I was "a little overweight". Their measurements said I was 5' 10" 169 pounds. I once weighed nearly fifty pounds more that I do now. The time I've spent in the gym shows. I've got a six-pack in my late forties. My goal is to maintain 15% body fat. I don't consider myself to be skinny and I'm definitely NOT overweight. In my opinion .... According to the medical charts, which I checked when I got home, the doctor is right. I'm "a little overweight". smh Statistics describe groups, not individuals. Congrats on being an outlier but it changes nothing. Here's what BMI means, give me: Group A 100 random people with 23 BMI. Group B 100 random people with 30 BMI. Results: Every year 1 extra person will die from group B compared with group A. Those are realistic numbers, not just made up for sake of argument. Link to post Share on other sites
Author PogoStick Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Interesting results. I would have indeed expected healthier BMIs to correlate to higher attractiveness. After all, women are at optimal reproduction at a 23 BMI, right? So this puts to rest all the psychological-evolutionist theories in my opinion. In global times where ideals of beauty are notoriously americanized, would it be safe to say that socialization is part of the explanation for mate preferences? I believe it said fertility was highest at bmi 24. But consider this, this study suggested that lower BMI was more desired because it means the women are younger. Younger women definitely have higher fertility. Thus, from your pshcyo-evolutionary perspective: age has a stronger influence on fertility than body composition. If women with a BMI of 19 average to be age 20, vs BMI of 24 = age of 30, for example. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
No_Go Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Exactly! I'm glad that you wrote that. Dating preferences equate mating preferences i.e. search for reproductive partner. BMI, waist/hip ratio, age, even hair/skin are metrics we're wired to gauge for chances reproductive success. Slimmer mimics younger, i.e. perceived as more fertile. Biology beats society any time when it comes to searches for mating partner that we decided to call dating I believe it said fertility was highest at bmi 24. But consider this, this study suggested that lower BMI was more desired because it means the women are younger. Younger women definitely have higher fertility. Thus, from your pshcyo-evolutionary perspective: age has a stronger influence on fertility than body composition. If women with a BMI of 19 average to be age 20, vs BMI of 24 = age of 30, for example. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
losangelena Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Here's the original study if anyone likes the thick science. Men and women, what do you make of all of the following? Note: This post is not a discussion of whether you agree with using BMI for anything. BMI is a robust, valid, health screening tool. If that bothers you then start a new thread. This study rated attractiveness of DXA (x-ray) scans of women, so that only body shape was being rated (removing age and facial feature biases). European Caucasians, Asians, and Africans from 9 countries rated the pictures. Typical ages of raters were 18-50. Some interesting findings: 1. Peak health occurs around BMI 23, so researchers expected peak attractiveness around BMI of 23-24. 2. Instead, all 3 racial groups rated the lowest BMI and body fat % to be the most attractive. This fell around a BMI of 19 and body fat of 20%. For example, that is a woman around 5'1 and 100 lbs, or 5'6 and 120 lbs. 3. In multiple studies, BMI has shown to be a better predictor of rated attractiveness than waist-to-hip ratio (the popular studies from a few decades ago). 3. Both men and women gave very similar ratings to the body types. 4. Participants failed to accurately guess the age of the scans. 5. However, participants associated lower BMI as belonging to younger women. 6. It's hypothesized that lower BMI is considered more attractive as a proxy for younger aged women. Thin bodies are found attractive. News at 11:00. Sorry if that's already been trotted out; I don't dare read this thread. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Haydn Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I have a `15` pack, does this help? So svelte these days. Obviously not true... But i tell people about it. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
Robert Z Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 No, attractiveness in women is dictated by men. The media use sex as a way to get men's attention, and because it works - not as some sort of propaganda. You are putting the cart before the horse. Yes, and what follows in the popular paradigm is that men don't want what we want. Link to post Share on other sites
Aniela Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 No, attractiveness in women is dictated by men. The media use sex as a way to get men's attention, and because it works - not as some sort of propaganda. You are putting the cart before the horse. Different men like different looks and personalities. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
PrettyEmily77 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I have a `15` pack, does this help? So svelte these days. Obviously not true... But i tell people about it. The latest scientifically documented research (also by Dr Gunther, I believe, when he was working at the prestigious Paris Insitute of 'Universal Attraction') on what every single straight woman and gay man to grace this Earth finds attractive shows that actually, unless you have a 17.5 pack, you are no one... Scientifically proven, I tell you. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Aniela Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Couldn't edit: Also: attractiveness in women is NOT dictated by men. No man gets to dictate what is and isn't attractive about me, or anyone else. You might have your opinions, but it won't mean that you're right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Couldn't edit: Also: attractiveness in women is NOT dictated by men. No man gets to dictate what is and isn't attractive about me, or anyone else. You might have your opinions, but it won't mean that you're right. That's great and I actually agree........But then don't complain if you are getting rejected or aren't getting as much attention as you may like...Just sayin.. TFY Link to post Share on other sites
Aniela Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 That's great and I actually agree........But then don't complain if you are getting rejected or aren't getting as much attention as you may like...Just sayin.. TFY You don't know what I look like. But I hated the amount of attention I got when I was younger - and I was never gorgeous. I prefer to be around men who like me for more than my chest, or my figure in general. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Imajerk17 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) I don't pay these studies too much mind and frankly you shouldn't either. 1. I like curvier women too no matter what the study you quoted says I am "supposed to" like. 2. I am 5'6" 170 so according to the study my BMI is too high. And I'm short. I do quite ok w the ladies anyway. Edited March 23, 2016 by Imajerk17 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Kamille Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I believe it said fertility was highest at bmi 24. But consider this, this study suggested that lower BMI was more desired because it means the women are younger. Younger women definitely have higher fertility. Thus, from your pshcyo-evolutionary perspective: age has a stronger influence on fertility than body composition. If women with a BMI of 19 average to be age 20, vs BMI of 24 = age of 30, for example. So easy follow up study to test evolutionary versus social: all subjects should be rated as young looking (19) but have differing BMIs. If BMI 24 wins = evolutionary psych. If lower BMI = socialization. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
lino Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Men prefer a slim (not necessarily 'thin') physique, and women prefer an athletic physique. Just obvious really. Yep. Don't know how much money they wasted on this silly study. Neither gender likes overweight partners. Been that way from day dot. Also BMI is rubbish. Muscular men will have a high BMI and they're very attractive to women. Body fat % is a better figure to go with but even that can be delusional as some women carry extra weight very well. Edited March 23, 2016 by lino Added more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
thefooloftheyear Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 You don't know what I look like. But I hated the amount of attention I got when I was younger - and I was never gorgeous. I prefer to be around men who like me for more than my chest, or my figure in general. Look, I agree with you... But I think you are missing the point...Its not about what you look like..About the best way I can explain it, is I can get a giant tattoo on my forehead, because I don't care what society thinks is appropriate...That's my right.... But then i better not b!tch about not being able to find a job.... TFY 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Toodaloo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Would you day the same if the 'attractive' category happen to coincide with your BMI and /or age group? I'm asking because you seem to base your conclusions on the results, not the experimental design / implementation. I have been all ends of the spectrum from hideously skinny to hideously fat. I have NEVER had a problem attracting men. The right men yes, but that is another topic. What I am saying is that is is completely ridiculous to base "attraction" on a few x rays. So many other factors come into play. So the whole "experiment" is fatally flawed from the outset. Not all men are attracted to skinny beans just as not all men like women with a bit of meat on them for want of a better phrase. Just as some women like skinny men others love a bit of love handle... THAT is REALITY. You may as well run a study on which emoji you most want to have sex with... Link to post Share on other sites
Toodaloo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I don't pay these studies too much mind and frankly you shouldn't either. 1. I like curvier women too no matter what the study you quoted says I am "supposed to" like. 2. I am 5'6" 170 so according to the study my BMI is too high. And I'm short. I do quite ok w the ladies anyway. As I have seen a fairly recent photo I can comment. Jerk is far from fat. He is also very attractive due to an incredibly sexy smile and an air about him that just makes you want to grab his arm and go skinny dipping. Yes a photo said that much! If he is like that in real life wowsers... Agreed. I went to the doctor Thursday and was told I was "a little overweight". Their measurements said I was 5' 10" 169 pounds. I once weighed nearly fifty pounds more that I do now. The time I've spent in the gym shows. I've got a six-pack in my late forties. My goal is to maintain 15% body fat. I don't consider myself to be skinny and I'm definitely NOT overweight. In my opinion .... According to the medical charts, which I checked when I got home, the doctor is right. I'm "a little overweight". smh You sound like a tasty snack to me!!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Jabron1 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Different men like different looks and personalities. That's obvious. But there are also standards for both genders. Also: attractiveness in women is NOT dictated by men. No man gets to dictate what is and isn't attractive about me, or anyone else. You might have your opinions, but it won't mean that you're right. Women dictate the male ideal of good looks, and men dictate the ideal of female good looks. I don't think I've ever heard any man dispute that. I have heard plenty of women dispute it though. It shows a complete disregard for reality. Feminists seem to believe that men can be browbashed into changing their ideas about female beauty. So, we have people like Oprah telling men that they're 'wrong' to have any expectations regarding the female form. It's a basic attempt to get men to expect less and provide more. It doesn't work, because feminists discount biology and disregard that there is a certain amount of competition in the mating/dating game. If every woman let themselves go and walked around at 20 stone (280 pounds), it would be the women that kept herself in shape that would get all the attention - same goes for men. You don't know what I look like. But I hated the amount of attention I got when I was younger - and I was never gorgeous. I prefer to be around men who like me for more than my chest, or my figure in general. There's only one thing worse than getting men's attention, and that's not getting men's attention. Link to post Share on other sites
Toodaloo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 There's only one thing worse than getting men's attention, and that's not getting men's attention. Actually when the men giving the attention are so poor in attitude that women feel they have to conform to some sort of male agenda... Nah that is not attention I want. I would rather pick my nose, scratch my bum and go do something fun, rewarding and uplifting. Picking my nose would be far more rewarding than listening to this tripe. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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