Shining One Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Ok, so are there any other arguments besides this and "Imma dude and chics won't put out?". It wasn't an argument, it was genuine curiosity. It's odd for a 28-year-old woman to only attract men who are 50+ and be completely invisible to men under 50. Furthermore, my argument (for 18-26) was: "I'm a guy and women won't go on dates with me." I had not even reached the point of talking about sex.How about this...Have you ever been in fear of a date assaulting you, physically or sexually? Now that's a problem.I agree. This is not a problem men usually face. I have never faced it myself.Let's see what else...Dealing with thirsty dudes who don't want to get to know you, but will pretend like they want to be my bf to get some sex. See, that's a serious problem, even though lser dudes don't see it as one.I agree that women are more likely to be used for sex. However, women who do want sex have a much easier time getting it. As a man, I'm more concerned about women feigning interest / leading me on to get me to spend money on them. Yes, this has happened to me repeatedly. Link to post Share on other sites
toolforgrowth Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 if your going on dates, or having sex, your not really lonely. Dude, I was married once, and I was far more lonely married than I ever was when I was single. You've drawn a box that may seem absolute to you, but in reality not everybody can fit inside. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
No Limit Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Sex with what? Sex with men. Go to a red light district or get Tinder or go on Craigslist and there's plenty of them willing/wanting to have sex with you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
hotpotato Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Maybe if they dated the guys they are in the habit of laughing at they would find those are the guys who are less likely to be a threat to them. Ha! Some of the worst ones are nice guys, the ones who are supposed to be safe. We could make a thread on that alone. Actually, I think we have, ad nauseam. I had a nice guy turn awful and sexually harass me when he found out i was already dating someone else. By sexual harass I mean stuff he could be charged and sentenced for. I also had a nice guy boyfriend who turned and basically threatened to punch me in the face. He was the dorky computer type, the guy I guess some women would laugh at. Can we please stop glorifying men who are less conventionally attractive or successful with women? Sometimes there really is a reason, and it's not all about looks... It sounds like you have terrible problems. In a thread about which gender has it worse you call men losers and complain that guys you are obviously attracted to want to have sex with you. Ok then you really haven't read a lot of my posts. Anyway, I would to relate with men in ways other than sex. Some dudes make it seems like some kind of major inconvenience. Isn't it called entitlement when you think someone is duty bound to commit to you when they don't want to? Um, what x1000? Please show where I called men "losers." If you're gonna call me out like that, at least show the post and the context. Also, if you have read my post over time, you'd see that I don't care if a man just wants sex. I just want him to be honest and forthright say I can say yes or now. Im fine with a guy only wanting sex as long as he doesn't try funny shyt like trying to pretend to be my bf. Yes, I have had guys pretend like they wanted to be my bf only to admit later they only wanted to bang. I guess I should be cool with that. Link to post Share on other sites
hotpotato Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 It wasn't an argument, it was genuine curiosity. It's odd for a 28-year-old woman to only attract men who are 50+ and be completely invisible to men under 50. Furthermore, my argument (for 18-26) was: "I'm a guy and women won't go on dates with me." I had not even reached the point of talking about sex.I agree. This is not a problem men usually face. I have never faced it myself.I agree that women are more likely to be used for sex. However, women who do want sex have a much easier time getting it. As a man, I'm more concerned about women feigning interest / leading me on to get me to spend money on them. Yes, this has happened to me repeatedly. Ok, so can we agree that men and women have problems, just different ones? You in particular didn't mention the sex, but that's the gist I get from lser and also many FA men to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Ok, so can we agree that men and women have problems, just different ones? You in particular didn't mention the sex, but that's the gist I get from lser and also many FA men to be honest. Actually I think you just summed it up - all that matters to the people who get most upset about this is sex. Not the person. Not the feelings. Not even who is on the other end. Just gimme some sex 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Shining One Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Please show where I called men "losers." If you're gonna call me out like that, at least show the post and the context.I'm pretty sure he thinks you meant "loser" when you typed "lser". I know you mean "LoveShack Poster". Ok, so can we agree that men and women have problems, just different ones?Agreed. To expand on this, Woman A and Woman B can have different problems, as this thread has pointed out. Link to post Share on other sites
Shining One Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Anyway, I would to relate with men in ways other than sex. Some dudes make it seems like some kind of major inconvenience.Have you ever considered dating someone with HSDD? I worked with a woman with this earlier in my career. I could never have dated her, but a guy with this might be right up your alley. Link to post Share on other sites
hotpotato Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Actually I think you just summed it up - all that matters to the people who get most upset about this is sex. Not the person. Not the feelings. Not even who is on the other end. Just gimme some sex Right? Women on lser could legit make innumerable threads about how they could possibly face harm in the dating world but dont. Yet how many threads do we have about gimme dat p****? Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Right? Women on lser could legit make innumerable threads about how they could possibly face harm in the dating world but dont. Yet how many threads do we have about gimme dat p****? My tablet thanks you for the Green Tea shower..... Link to post Share on other sites
toolforgrowth Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I would say that men, on average, have more trouble than women on OLD. But I wouldn't necessarily agree with that in real life. I've had plenty of women approach me, but where I just wasn't interested. At my childhood best friend's wedding, his new wife's friend, who was a bridesmaid, was VERY friendly. She was the lady I was walking down the aisle with, as I was a groomsman. She called me her "hot date" and was very flirty. But I wasn't into it. She wasn't my type physically. I was nice to her and treated her how I would treat anyone, but the desperation was just oozing from her. It was a major turn off. Come to find out, my buddy and his new wife were trying to set us up. Duh. I had that impression from the very beginning. She looked really disappointed when I left the reception to go home, as my daughter was there and my niece was watching her. But the truth is I didn't want to be expected to hang out with this chick. I thought it was a little presumptuous to think something would happen, especially without telling me their intentions. I didn't care for that. I was empathetic towards her, but it wasn't my obligation to start anything with her. So guys, women get rejected too. Trust me, it happens. And I'm no hunk by ANY stretch. Link to post Share on other sites
Shining One Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 So guys, women get rejected too. Trust me, it happens. And I'm no hunk by ANY stretch.I don't think anyone thinks women never get rejected. Anyone who believes that is completely deluded. However, I think women generally don't get rejected on the same scale as men do. Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I don't think anyone thinks women never get rejected. Anyone who believes that is completely deluded. However, I think women generally don't get rejected on the same scale as men do. This may actually be the case. I've just never been quite clear on why it was SOOOOO important that all women everywhere come to a consensus on this. Link to post Share on other sites
toolforgrowth Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 This may actually be the case. I've just never been quite clear on why it was SOOOOO important that all women everywhere come to a consensus on this. Because men can't say that women make more than they do, or that they may get raped simply walking down the street, or that they have less opportunities. I think most men acknowledge those inequities. So they want women to acknowledge this one inequity men face in return. Not entirely unreasonable, IMO, but it goes back to what I've said in another thread: men just need to stop caring. I'm glad I'm a guy, personally. And our society has created a sub culture of soft men who don't have the strength to deal with this one inequity. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Shining One Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 This may actually be the case. I've just never been quite clear on why it was SOOOOO important that all women everywhere come to a consensus on this.I wasn't aware of a desire for a consensus. For me, it was always annoying when a woman would try to console me saying: "I've been rejected too, I know it hurts". I want to reply with "There's a huge difference between being rejected 100 times in a row and being rejected 4 times in your life." It's like me saying: "I've had muscle cramps before, so I know what it feels like to have severe menstrual cramps". It's not the same. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
autumnnight Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I wouldn't want to be a man. I would cower in a corner if I had to be the one to ask for the phone number and make the big move. And I'm not completely kidding. And there's nothing meaner than a mean woman. A man might call me a bad name and sleep with my roommate when we break up, but a woman can go batcrap crazy. I admit I am sensitive to the "who has life the hardest" moaning contest because I lived with that for YEARS and spent most of them trying to be the "you're awesome, I'm here for you" cheerleader only to have them moan more. So I think all my tolerance got used up. I mean, we could have had 10,000,000 dollars fall from the sky, and he would have complained about how much work it would be to pick up all those bills lol 3 Link to post Share on other sites
lollipopspot Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I wouldn't want to be a man. I would cower in a corner if I had to be the one to ask for the phone number and make the big move. It's not like you wake up one day and suddenly take on this so-called "male role." You get socialization from birth and testosterone. Link to post Share on other sites
Bobbi7 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I would say unattractive women. Because as women, we are suppose to be born good-looking, and if not, then people will just treat them badly, especially men. Also, the amount of money women have to spend to look "good". Hair, makeup, clothes. Link to post Share on other sites
Dropped71 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Unattractive men. Virgin born in 1971. Any more questions? Link to post Share on other sites
preraph Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Both extremely unattractive men and women have it bad. A man can maybe get rich and get a woman, but look what he's getting (a golddigger). A woman can't even do that. It seems to bother men more because they seem to be more desperate for a sex partner. So in that way, they suffer more, I suppose. But women suffer more emotionally because they are more emotional and crave someone's love, not just their sex. So those who are not very autonomous suffer greatly. Link to post Share on other sites
Dropped71 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Both extremely unattractive men and women have it bad. A man can maybe get rich and get a woman, but look what he's getting (a golddigger). A woman can't even do that. It seems to bother men more because they seem to be more desperate for a sex partner. So in that way, they suffer more, I suppose. But women suffer more emotionally because they are more emotional and crave someone's love, not just their sex. So those who are not very autonomous suffer greatly. No he can't. She will want his money but will never get in bed with him. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Both. Let's face it if you look good no matter what gender you are you can use that to your advantage. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
NJ123 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Unattractive men have it worse. Unattractive women could still get guys to have sex with, while unattractive men are pretty much screwed unless they hire an escort. As someone pointed out, unattractive men need money to get the women. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mangina Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Even the conventionally unattractive girls do not want to date me. But I can understand they are human and can not help who they are attracted to. Link to post Share on other sites
Dropped71 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Even the conventionally unattractive girls do not want to date me. But I can understand they are human and can not help who they are attracted to. Me too. Me too. Sadly. Link to post Share on other sites
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