Your view on male virginity vs male use of prostitution

[Eeyore79]

Visiting a prostitute: This makes the man become extremely powerful, and takes him outside of the relationship role, because he's able to get sex whenever he wants (paying for it.) In that sense, he makes a woman feel insecure, because she feels that he can always get a girl better looking than her if he has enough cash. He's also not spending that cash on her, so she feels double whammied.

 

Erm... no, this is not why men who visit prostitutes are repulsive. Men who visit prostitutes obviously have no self control and/or aren't capable of getting a normal woman to have sex with. They treat women like sex objects to be bought, and they don't care that the girl obviously has some real problems like drug addiction or whatever that they're just making worse. The money they spend on prostitutes fuels violent crime and drug dealing, but they don't even care cos all they think about is sex. They probably have disgusting diseases from sleeping with hookers too; even if you use condoms you can still catch warts, herpes, crabs, etc. A guy who sees prostitutes basically isn't a nice, decent, clean man, so I don't want anything to do with him.

[somedude81]

And that explains why a man must never admit to seeing a prostitute unless he knows for certain that the woman isn't so judgmental.

[fortyninethousand322]

Erm... no, this is not why men who visit prostitutes are repulsive. Men who visit prostitutes obviously have no self control and/or aren't capable of getting a normal woman to have sex with. They treat women like sex objects to be bought, and they don't care that the girl obviously has some real problems like drug addiction or whatever that they're just making worse. The money they spend on prostitutes fuels violent crime and drug dealing, but they don't even care cos all they think about is sex. They probably have disgusting diseases from sleeping with hookers too; even if you use condoms you can still catch warts, herpes, crabs, etc. A guy who sees prostitutes basically isn't a nice, decent, clean man, so I don't want anything to do with him.

 

A man would have to be completely stupid to ever admit to seeing a prostitute. If it were me (although I'd never actually use a prostitute) I'd just say I hooked up with some chick and omit the fact that she was a prostitute. Other than the fact that money was exchanged what's the difference?

 

As for the bolded: you're absolutely right. Same thing with porn though.

[Eeyore79]

Or maybe he shouldn't have been so disgusting as to sleep with hookers in the first place? Any guy who does something so gross deserves to be judged by decent women who want a nice, clean, decent guy, not some morally bankrupt loser who sleeps with hookers.

[Eeyore79]

Other than the fact that money was exchanged what's the difference?

The fact that she's had thousands of penises in her and is highly likely to be infected with diseases, which a guy could catch and pass on to the decent clean girlfriend he sleeps with afterwards. The fact that she's probably vulnerable and involved with crime, drugs and violence, and the guy is taking advantage of her vulnerability to indulge his desire for sex. The fact that the guy obviously sees women as sex objects to be bought. Prostitution is nothing like consensual sex between two people who aren't being forced into it.

[udolipixie]

And that explains why a man must never admit to seeing a prostitute unless he knows for certain that the woman isn't so judgmental.

 

Why do you get to diminish her preferences just because you don't suit it.

 

Would you be okay with a girl never admitting something she considers most men to be so judgmental about?

 

I know plenty of girls who think as long as the STD is curable guys don't need to be so judgmental.

 

I know some guys who are cool with that. I know some who are not. I know some who would murder these girls.

 

What the girls are doing is wrong because of the behavior...not talking about the consequence higher STD rates.

 

They are choosing to lie/never admit to something that they know would affect a person's decision about them just because that factor may cause the decision to be negative.

 

I know one girl who states that all men should be considered to either be virgins, prostitute payers, or rapists. So far you're not doing much to disprove that logic with the it's okay to lie about something if it means that telling her will result in you not getting what you want.

[fortyninethousand322]

The fact that she's had thousands of penises in her and is highly likely to be infected with diseases, which a guy could catch and pass on to the decent clean girlfriend he sleeps with afterwards. The fact that she's probably vulnerable and involved with crime, drugs and violence, and the guy is taking advantage of her vulnerability to indulge his desire for sex. The fact that the guy obviously sees women as sex objects to be bought. Prostitution is nothing like consensual sex between two people who aren't being forced into it.

 

So would a promiscuous woman. Besides, wouldn't people get tested before they started having sex (unless both people are virgins)? That's the safe way to do things anyway.

 

So, would you also hold it against a guy for hooking up with a girl at a party or something?

[Taramere]

Its two seperate themes i see alot here on LS. Men who are virgins are often shunned. However men who use prostitutes not so much. Where im from thats extremely backwards. I personally could not bring myself to prostitution. Ever. Even on the slowest months i could never do it. Its just too shameful for me.

 

Male virginity on the other hand can be admirable. As long as the person isnt someone who complains about it. And most men who aren't most like screwed women below their standards. So. Whats your thoughts on this?

 

For me, the fact that a man has employed a prostitute at some point doesn't automatically mean he's beyond the pale. However, thinking in terms of a person's assets and their liabilities, it's behaviour that would fall under the "liabilities" title.

 

The danger of a man who frequently employs prostitutes is that he'll be That Type who just can't seem to be around women without becoming completely obnoxious. I've had relatively limited experience of spending time around men who openly admit to using prostitutes. The few occasions I've dealt with men who do openly admit to it haven't tended to be positive experiences. In short, they've been arseholes...but it's the arsehole aspect, rather than the prostitute-employing aspect that put me off.

 

If a man I generally liked said that he'd used prostitutes before, and was neither overly shame-faced nor overly defensive/aggressive about it (ie trying to dictate how I should react to such news) then it wouldn't necessarily totally turn me off him. It would be somewhat off-putting, though...and if there were other aspects about the man that were raising my hackles already, hearing him boast about visiting prostitutes would be enough for me to make my excuses and leave.

 

As for a man being a virgin...well, that would point to him being extremely shy to a point that igniting any chemistry and romance would be difficult. There have been times I really liked men who I suspect were virgins. The nervousness and shyness about them made them seem like people who could well turn awkwardly rejecting or freak out in response to any flirtatious overtures.

 

Actually I remember really liking one such man way back in my early twenties. The kind of man I'd have liked to have married...and he seemed to like me, but just wouldn't make any kind of move. He came round to my flat, and immediately made for an armchair. All these "keep away" signals. I remember consulting with my best friend and debating whether I should make an overt move. She said "there's a real risk of him freaking out if you do. Could you handle that, do you think?" I saw what she meant. He really did seem the type who might freak out, and certainly at that age I couldn't have handled such a thinkg. So that was the end of that.

[Elysian Powder]

I love selective reading. I've already said that stds are found in women who don't work as prostitutes, but have fwbs/one-night stands or caught it from their boyfriends. Can we agree on Germany being a highly developed and cultured Country? Prostitution is legal in there. Women have access to doctors and are always being monitored for stds and if they catch one; they are treated(if it can be fxed) or removed from their jobs.

 

Trying to instill fear in a man's mind is not going to stop him from having sex with prostitutes. Prostitution has been part of this world for a very long time, and thanks to child-support/alimony/women not interested in many men; many more men are going to head to the brothels.

 

I have to admit that it is awesome to be a man. Women are suckers for height or muscles, and If I ever lose my looks I'll have porn and very high quality courtesans to fall on.

[Eeyore79]

So would a promiscuous woman. Besides, wouldn't people get tested before they started having sex (unless both people are virgins)? That's the safe way to do things anyway.

 

Yes, I assume people would get tested before having sex. But they can't detect some things, e.g. if you're a carrier of warts of herpes but don't currently have an outbreak. Plus the disease issue isn't the whole story; even if the guy was clean, I'd still be extremely concerned that he saw women as sex objects to be bought, and that he took advantage of a vulnerable woman who needed money.

 

 

So, would you also hold it against a guy for hooking up with a girl at a party or something?

It would be less of an issue, because she's probably not a vulnerable woman who's addicted to drugs and being beaten by a pimp, etc. The girl would want to have sex, as opposed to the hooker who wouldn't want to have sex but would be forced into it because she needs money. Also I think random girls are less likely to be diseased than a hooker who's had thousands of penises in her. But I would still be unimpressed if I found out a guy hooked up with random girls, because it shows that he treats women like sex objects.

[Elysian Powder]

For me, the fact that a man has employed a prostitute at some point doesn't automatically mean he's beyond the pale. However, thinking in terms of a person's assets and their liabilities, it's behaviour that would fall under the "liabilities" title.

 

Shame that a real man does not care about what you think and will do what the **** he wants to do. Guys, equality means that men can be as promiscuous as women are. Go for it!

[Eeyore79]

Can we agree on Germany being a highly developed and cultured Country? Prostitution is legal in there.

Just because something is legal, that doesn't mean it's not gross. Eating poop is legal, but it's still gross; I wouldn't want to date a poop-eater despite the fact that he isn't breaking the law.

 

Trying to instill fear in a man's mind is not going to stop him from having sex with prostitutes.

Nobody is trying to instil fear. Each man makes his own decision about whether to visit prostitutes - but equally, each woman makes her own decision about whether to date a man who does such things. I think the majority of women would decline to date a guy if he slept with hookers. Having said that, the type of guy who would visit a hooker is probably the type who would also have no problem lying to the woman he's in a relationship with

[Eeyore79]

Shame that a real man does not care about what you think and will do what the **** he wants to do.

 

A "real man" still has to obey the law though; he can't just do whatever he wants. If a woman declines to date him, he can't make her go out with him, and he can't rape her either. If the majority of women decline to date a guy because he's slept with hookers, he either has to get used to being alone or become a dishonest liar. Personally I think it's much better to just avoid doing things which will turn most decent women off; i.e. don't sleep with hookers.

[udolipixie]

I watch porn and as much as it helps to deal with the loneliness, it really doesn't replace that feeling of being wanted and having someone actually like you. I know it's crazy but neither does prostitution (besides the fact that it's illegal in most places in the U.S.). And mail order brides are incredibly risky, and expensive.

Prostitutes and mail order brides are good options for those men with no traits any women want and who have no power to fix them.

 

After all just like this guy suddenly replace that feeling of being wanted & having someone actually like you. Women can't want and actually like you based on the terms you want. It's about mutual attraction.

 

Forcing women to have sex or encourage them to give it up with guys solely because they are nice won't replace those feelings. Unless it's just the exchange of money that causes this feeling to be missing and guys would be set with a woman just lying there because she's with him since he's just a decent human being and not because she loves him or is attracted to him.

 

 

I think a lot of bitterness comes from the fact that society (or adults in our lives growing up) lied to us.

I think it's a combination of society lying to people, people lying to people, and people lying to themselves.

 

 

I always thought that going to school, getting good grades, getting that college degree and a decent job (hopefully and eventually a good job) were things one had to take care of in order to get a girlfriend assuming you were at least average to above average looking (i.e. you didn't look like some kind of goblin).

 

You thought wrong...the whole lying to yourself.

 

You didn't see how attraction played a part?

 

You didn't see how sex appeal and chemistry played a part?

 

Did you believe that a good job would be able to replace all that?

 

I see all the things you listed as thing one had to take care of in order to be independent, self-sufficent, and raise a family...not things to do in order to get a partner to create that family.

 

Those are things you do to build the foundation how you get the partner is based on yourself. You support your partner with the foundation.

 

As for the average to above average looking yep most don't know where they stand and men generally rate themselves higher than women so....

 

 

Being well rounded and funny was supposed to help too. Sadly, that was a crock of bull. A guy has to have confidence, he's got to approach women he's got to get rejected a bunch of times and he's supposed to be "the man". If you're shy or somewhat slow to get out of your shell too bad, you're locked out of the dating game, especially if you wait too long to try to break free.

It's not a crock of bull it just doesn't apply if you don't have other desirable traits.

 

It's like an obese unattractive smelly girl saying being nice and mother material is a crock of bull.....other factors come into play.

 

You sometimes can't compensate one trait for another. Just like a girl can't expect to be horribly unattractive and her niceness will compensate for it and she'll be the belle of the ball. If you're going to compensate it's best to have looks/attraction as the compensator. In human nature most want personality & attraction but if they had to chose one most would forgo personality and pursue attraction.

 

As for the confidence I think that's a healthy expectation for an adult past a certain age.

 

As for approaching if you want it you usually have to go get it.

 

As for men supposed to be "the man" while women are supposed to be "the woman" feminine, virtuous yet his slut, young, beautiful, independent but dependent.

 

Compared to me women have all the power, they decide whether I'm worthy or not. They decide whether a date happens or a relationship happens or whatever. Not me. I'm not in charge of it. Certain men were just not meant to have someone in their lives.

 

Compared to me men have all the power, they decide whether I'll be raped, assaulted, beaten, harassed...you get the point while it's good to note the negatives a defeatist attitude isn't really helpful.

 

If you're going to be a defeatist at least be content and happy about the defeat. I mean you're already down and have no intention of changing it so why not make the best of it.

 

Certain men and women I believe are not meant to have someone in their lives with 1/10 couples remaining in love it seems most are either alone, content, happy, or happy in love. I mean just consider the birth rates, sexual orientation, age preferences, and those are just the bases you also add in standards/requirements and then compatibility.

 

Struggling to try to change it is pointless. I don't feel bad for most women who have trouble dating because from my perspective they largely brought it on themselves.

I could say the same about men..after all they brought it on themselves by not just going after the most unattractive girl they could find and snagging her up.

 

So women brought it upon themselves for not sacrificing their need for physical attraction and sexual appeal in a partner for human decency/good personality. Odd when I talked about the 5 girls I know who are sacrificed their attraction for a good relationship and are with good guys they hate, are indifferent to, and disgusted by most of the men were appalled.

 

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Settling is to me is like compromising and lowering your standards to the point where your needs and wants are not fulfilled but the person doesn't repulse you enough for you to leave.

 

Or like the 5 girls I know trading one important thing for another. They've married nice guys and traded a good relationship with a guy who'll be a good father and husband for physical and sexual attraction.

 

Thank goodness their guys are open to using a dildo in bed otherwise they'd never enjoy sex. Though three still have to think of other men to get in the mood. The other two just try to focus on the vibrations instead of the guy.

 

Also the girls didn't feel like they settled after all they made the decision to trade attraction for a good relationship. I felt that they settled because they traded one important thing for another..balance is beauty.

[Wolf18]

Or maybe he shouldn't have been so disgusting as to sleep with hookers in the first place? Any guy who does something so gross deserves to be judged by decent women who want a nice, clean, decent guy, not some morally bankrupt loser who sleeps with hookers.

 

Ah yes, woman's judgement, what a hilarious contradiction.

 

A woman who ****s whatever Mike "the situation" she sees at the bar or a party is EMPOWERED.

 

A man who has sex with a prostitute once a month is "morally bankrupt". I hope you also condemn men who use pornography as it is virtually the same thing only less satisfying for men.

 

There is nothing morally bankrupt about sleeping with a prostitute that is any worse than the sexual history of 90% of modern women . I hope for you that if you're going to pass such harsh judgement you've practiced a very moral sexual life and waited until marriage to have sex. Or does morality start and end on woman's terms in America?

 

Women hate prostitution because they fear it. If anyone, even *GASP* guys who aren't that tall or rich can have sex with women who look as good or better than them, how are they going to maintain their artificial value? Any professional prostitute in a legal brothel ONLY has sex with condoms, by law or she loses the license! Can you say that for sure about the average woman who has friends with benefits, boyfriends, and one night stands and usually with the most promiscuous womanizers they can find?

 

Prostitution for the average man is more pink for your green, that's it. Who cares what women think, they only have their own interests in mind and obviously have no idea what it's like to be a man who isn't popular with women. I think the current system of prostitution riddled with pimps, trafficking, and drugs is bad, but that's only because women want to keep it illegal. If the government regulated it it wouldn't be that way.

[Woggle]

No matter what people think of prostitution legalizing it would make things much better.

[OnyxSnowfall]

No matter what people think of prostitution legalizing it would make things much better.

 

go move somewhere it is legal.

[Woggle]

go move somewhere that it is legal.

 

I don't want to use one but keeping it a crime causes nothing but problems. I feel the same about drugs.

[OnyxSnowfall]

I don't want to use one but keeping it a crime causes nothing but problems. I feel the same about drugs.

 

there are "problems" no matter where one goes --- even in places where drugs and prostitution are legal

[Woggle]

there's "problems" no matter where one goes --- even in places where drugs and prostitution are legal

 

Not really. There will always be problems but taking it out of the hands of the criminal element and giving it legal business would solve many problems. If a person can go to a liquor store and buy cocaine we wouldn't the violence associated with the drug trade on the border.

[Taramere]

Shame that a real man does not care about what you think and will do what the **** he wants to do. Guys, equality means that men can be as promiscuous as women are. Go for it!

 

Bull. Every man I've ever met who was into me most certainly did care what I thought. ..just as I care what men I'm into think. You can bluster to the contrary all you like about real men not caring what other people think, but bluster is all it is. Every person on this board cares what other people think to some extent. You included. If you didn't care a jot about what other people thought, you wouldn't be on here trying to influence or nag them into seeing things your way.

[fortyninethousand322]

 

You thought wrong...the whole lying to yourself.

 

You didn't see how attraction played a part?

 

You didn't see how sex appeal and chemistry played a part?

 

Did you believe that a good job would be able to replace all that?

 

I see all the things you listed as thing one had to take care of in order to be independent, self-sufficent, and raise a family...not things to do in order to get a partner to create that family.

 

Those are things you do to build the foundation how you get the partner is based on yourself. You support your partner with the foundation.

 

Yeah I did think that being attractive played a part. That's partly why I started working out getting muscles being athletic, etc. But I figured women wanted a guy who could take care of himself, had friends/was friendly, was funny, and who was well rounded and intelligent (basically he could have conversation with her too, not just sex all the time). I had all of that. Unfortunately a guy has to take the lead in pursuing girls and asking for dates and such. I don't have enough confidence to do so. I never will.

 

As for the average to above average looking yep most don't know where they stand and men generally rate themselves higher than women so....

 

I honestly have no idea how good I look. Some days I feel like I'm pretty good looking and some days I feel like I look horrible. One poster on here (a girl) said from my picture I looked pretty good/attractive. So I dunno.

 

 

 

It's not a crock of bull it just doesn't apply if you don't have other desirable traits.

 

It's like an obese unattractive smelly girl saying being nice and mother material is a crock of bull.....other factors come into play.

 

What kind of other traits? I mean other than the fact that I'm slow to open up to new people and I get somewhat awkward around attractive single women I'd say I'm not completely off base in thinking I could get a girlfriend or that an attractive woman would also find me attractive.

 

You sometimes can't compensate one trait for another. Just like a girl can't expect to be horribly unattractive and her niceness will compensate for it and she'll be the belle of the ball. If you're going to compensate it's best to have looks/attraction as the compensator. In human nature most want personality & attraction but if they had to chose one most would forgo personality and pursue attraction.

 

As for the confidence I think that's a healthy expectation for an adult past a certain age.

 

As for approaching if you want it you usually have to go get it.

 

Again, what makes up looks and attraction? I honestly don't know other than not looking like the elephant man and being in shape/muscular etc. and having some sense of style. Is that what you mean by attractive?

 

The only reason I don't approach or have confidence is because every time I try (not all that many times though to be honest) it ends up being a waste of time. After a while I just concluded that women had blacklisted me.

 

 

 

Compared to me men have all the power, they decide whether I'll be raped, assaulted, beaten, harassed...you get the point while it's good to note the negatives a defeatist attitude isn't really helpful.

 

Except I wouldn't rape anyone so I can't be held responsible for what a very tiny minority of men might do (rape, harass, assault). Women have universally decided I'm not worthy to date, thus in relation to me they have the power and control.

 

Certain men and women I believe are not meant to have someone in their lives with 1/10 couples remaining in love it seems most are either alone, content, happy, or happy in love. I mean just consider the birth rates, sexual orientation, age preferences, and those are just the bases you also add in standards/requirements and then compatibility.

 

Except young men are in the majority in the U.S. Women have more choice than men do because of that.

 

 

I could say the same about men..after all they brought it on themselves by not just going after the most unattractive girl they could find and snagging her up.

 

In another thread long ago I once asked another poster about this idea. She said it was a horrible idea that would be unfair to the girl (who wouldn't get authentic love) and/or result in me being taken advantage of. Do you think this would be a good idea for me to do?

 

So women brought it upon themselves for not sacrificing their need for physical attraction and sexual appeal in a partner for human decency/good personality. Odd when I talked about the 5 girls I know who are sacrificed their attraction for a good relationship and are with good guys they hate, are indifferent to, and disgusted by most of the men were appalled.

 

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Also the girls didn't feel like they settled after all they made the decision to trade attraction for a good relationship. I felt that they settled because they traded one important thing for another..balance is beauty.

 

Well I think I'd be willing to be a good lover and considering I'm in shape, I've got a good personality, I'm genuinely friendly and reasonably attractive, I'd like to think a girl would be lucky to have me not feel like she settled or compromised her ideals and got saddled with me. I dunno, being in my position doesn't exactly make me see things objectively.

[OnyxSnowfall]

Not really. There will always be problems but taking it out of the hands of the criminal element and giving it legal business would solve many problems. If a person can go to a liquor store and buy cocaine we wouldn't the violence associated with the drug trade on the border.

 

Yes, I agree. We should allow people to destroy their bodies and defile themselves and probably encourage others around them to do the same.

 

It won't have a negative impact on their life or work really... in fact, some drugs might increase work productivity. Sure, people may die sooner but, the world's over-populated anyway --- win-win. All those doctors that siphon the long-standing ill people will have to find a better profession --- maybe they can become druggies and forget about it all.

 

And for the people that get paranoid and crazy and threaten others, whose violent tendencies are enhanced and they have no *fear* of keeping themselves under control because it's okay if they're caught on drugs, we can just punish them harshly.

 

While we're at it, the death penalty should be legalized and let's go back to using nooses --- far cheaper. We don't need to worry about wasting money on corpses either... who cares at that point? Crime will be reduced anyway, so only few people will be taken out and tossed away in some death pit or whatever.

 

As for prostitutes? Yeah, they'll be trivial.

[Wolf18]

UDOLIPIXIE

 

Admitting it...did you seriously go around thinking women don't need or want attraction?[/Quote]

 

No, but most men seem to think so. I never said women shouldn't have attraction, I just think that saying "women can't help what they're attracted to" when they pass up perfectly good men is a cop out. I'm not telling women to date ugly or obese men, or drug addicts and degenerates, I'm telling women that sometimes the guy who isn't super gorgeous and is in their league can satisfy them as much or more than the guys who are. I'm not going to change them, but it's something I wish women would reflect on.

 

I think guys/girls just exaggerate to the extent that that personality can compensate for attraction...it compensates just a bit..and when she's older...it compensates just a bit more..in general

 

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I agree.

 

Are you sure on that?

 

Also just because they were in your league doesn't mean that they have to want you. Plenty of ugly/average guys don't want the girls in their leagues.

 

Most people usually want a partner who has more than what they have.

 

 

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Yes I am sure that they were in my "league", everyone else thought so except for them. I can show you photographs to compare in private if you would like.

 

I have no problem dating a girl who brings to the table the same or even less than I do, the problem is that women will never feel that way. I'd easily prefer a an average cute girl with my interests and good conversation over any gorgeous model woman.

 

 

It should....so all the ugly LS men on here should be attracted to ugly women? All the average LS men on here should be attracted to average women.

 

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Yes. That is how nature intended it.

 

Plenty of those ugly/average men would fight back against that deserving to die alone comment because most of refuse to date anyone who they do not find attractive regardless of how much they have in common or her personality.[/Quote]

 

What I say about women applies to men as well, but this is way more common among women. Most men because of pressing sexual desire, end up settling for whatever comes there way, women do not.

 

Also similar looks and similar common interests doesn't ensure her happiness or attraction so dying alone rather than being stuck and burdened with caring for another person they aren't attracted to or love is not that bad....unless of course this person was rich or they could cheat on him.

 

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A person who has a lot in common with you and is as attractive as you doesn't bring happiness or attraction? I disagree completely. It would for me. That is why i am so angry, it doesn't for women.

 

Nope being nice and think ing you should be rewarded and get what you want simply because you

 

Do you go to a restaurant and think you'll pay them in niceness after eating a $100 meal? Do you go to get a paycheck and are okay with your employer paying you with niceness?

 

Be nice if you want and have boundaries. Don't be nice to gain what you want especially when what you're really going is substituting or compensating for a lack of something like attraction.

 

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No, but a solid guy whose decent looking should be more attractive than a "hot guy" with bart simpson hair and a 6 pack who has feces for brains. In my case, this is how I see women.

 

It's not that nice should compensate for everything, but it should give you an edge over the dirtbags.

 

Intelligence with interest doesn't mean anything when I'm talking about type in the form of how one treats others.

 

An intelligent guy can be a jerk and an intelligent girl can be a b*tch.

 

I'm talking about character and how she treats others.

 

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These people treat their boyfriends really well, even if the boyfriends don't care. So one would assume that they could treat everyone like that, no?

 

Yep it seems like that's the type you're attracted to or keep attracting.

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Most women think they are better than most men because horny, desperate guys blow up their egos.

 

 

Most of these types of guys are truly men who wish they could live in a time where they could get the type of woman they wanted for just having a d*ck. That they just picked out what they wanted because the truly don't want women to be individuals because individuals have opinions and some of those opinions my not be what serves your needs.

 

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What's so bad about that? Women today have men just for having a vagina. Even the fat and ugly ones have somthing in the pipeline.

 

I don't know what individualism has to do with women wanting the same small group of men. I can tell you exactly what men has women and what man doesn't just by looking at them.

 

As for the average modern women being a bully whose got something to prove what about this new trend of the average man?

 

The rising numbers of average modern men who think they are superior creatures & masters of the universe simpply because they have d*cks and the men who created this civilization had d*cks too instead of.

 

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Men don't think that way anymore. Women have stripped us of our power via the government and now despise us for it. All you need to do is cry for help and you'll have swarms of men jumping to your defense (even if you're wrong).

 

The men who think that women are inferior and serve no other purpose but to deposit sperm in to and procreate and even that they are not needed for simply because they share d*cks with past great men and other great men.

 

The men who want to coattail on past great men and other great men actions rather than be judged for their own actions because hey since I've got a d*ck and we share the same genitals we should share the same praise. Yet these men whine and moan about the negative and awful past men and heinous mens actions being applied to them.

 

That's bullying and quite obviously something to prove right there.

 

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Actually the guys who think that way are the ones who get all the broads and girls like you find irresistable.

 

Seems like you just want a prostitute without having to pay financially. She goes to you and has sex with you because of your decency. Seems ike you're upset that women are individuals and that they may each have a different desire to have sex but you want sex on demand for just being decent. You don't care about their individual desire rather you want someone to change to suit your needs rather than having to waste time to find someone who matches you.

 

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Yes of course everything is about the patriarchy and male power structure In reality, it's not about sex, it's about female companionship. Yes, I want female companionship. Maybe one day when you are in your 40's and you no longer have men lining down the block for you, you will know how vital opposite sex companionship is.

 

In that case why not just find the most unattractive girl you can find? Most severely unattractive girls are happy to be treated decently and shell gladly ave sex with you for just being a decent guy. That way you can have sex for just being a decent human being.

 

Rather than wasting the trouble of finding someone to have sex with because of their individual desire to have sex with you. Since women are too different in their tastes and what you want to have sex for is not really high in demand.

 

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LOL! Women aren't different in their tastes at all. They are all attracted to a typically overlapping pool of traits.

 

Yep because most people are multiple faceted and have traits that others like enough that the traits that the other person may dislike is diminished.

 

As for the guys who don't have any traits or any combination of traits that any women likes and it's not in their power at all to get those traits then there's p*rn, prostitutes, and mail order brides.

 

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The typical man will have to take your advice then, because the traits women want are annoyingly rare outside of the movie set of True Blood.

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A woman who ****s whatever Mike "the situation" she sees at the bar or a party is EMPOWERED.

No, she's a slut. Of course people should have the freedom to sleep with whoever they want, because it's a free country, but I reserve the right to think that anyone who sleeps around is a slut (or a man-slut) who I don't want to be involved with.

 

A man who has sex with a prostitute once a month is "morally bankrupt". I hope you also condemn men who use pornography as it is virtually the same thing only less satisfying for men.

Taking advantage of a vulnerable woman who needs money is much worse than watching a video. Plus you can't catch diseases from videos.

 

I hope for you that if you're going to pass such harsh judgement you've practiced a very moral sexual life and waited until marriage to have sex.

I don't mind if a guy has slept with a few decent women whom he cared about. It only bothers me if he's slept around indiscriminately, and it bothers me even more if the woman didn't consent but was forced into it because she needed money. I don't think it's a harsh judgement to say I don't want to be involved with a man who took advantage of a vulnerable woman and risked his health in order to satisfy his sexual needs.

 

Women hate prostitution because they fear it.

I don't fear prostitution. If my bf wanted to sleep with another woman, he wouldn't need to visit a prostitute - there are so many sluts around that he could probably just pick up a consenting female in a bar. I hate prostitution because it involves taking advantage of vulnerable women and carries a much higher risk of disease than just sleeping with a normal person.

 

If anyone, even *GASP* guys who aren't that tall or rich can have sex with women who look as good or better than them, how are they going to maintain their artificial value?

The value a man would derive from being in a relationship with me isn't sexual in any way. He could get sex from some slut in a bar any time he wants, without being in a relationship - he doesn't need to date me in order to have sex. The value I provide in a relationship is companionship, support and friendship, and we can share our lives together; of course he gets sex as well, but that isn't the main selling point.