sweetjasmine Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 It seems as though the writer's indulged in a spot of self examination, spotted some negatives about herself and is now projecting them onto the rest of her gender. Yeah, that's what it sounded like to me, too. It's the same thing we see over and over again around here: specific person of gender X has some sort of issue/hang-up/problem; therefore, that trait is specific to gender X as a whole. Which is annoying enough as it is, but then the author goes on to push aside the actual roots of the problem and come up with that silly "women have been conditioned to prepare for failure!" crap. Eeyore's probably trying to hypnotise the roses into uprooting themselves in the middle of the night, so that they can march into her bedroom and thornily punish her for creeping them out on a regular basis.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Show me where I said that you are the one making assumptions When I say "women" it simply means that, nothing else. You are the one that needs to see the word SOME or A FEW in front of it to feel comfortable. If I mean ALL I will say all. I am the last guy you will find to ever stick up for the idiotic acts of other guys. I think MOST guys are classes morons. But I have no problem admitting that. The difference is, that many many women would NEVER admit that about other women, even if they know the shoe fits for the situation in question. Women tend to have more of a sisterhood, even if they dont know each other. They get each others back. Guys tend to be more unbiased and tell it like it is, regardless of the sex involved. You are the last guy who would stick up for other guys idiotic acts, yet you are arguing with me because I DARED to say that this article applied to men, too. You're hung up on the idea that women can't admit their faults, but you have to remember, I didn't say that women didn't do this kind of thing sometimes. All I said was that men did it, too. It's actually you who is doing everything that you just said, not being able to admit blame, sticking up for the idiotic acts of your own gender, sticking up for guys you don't even know . . . . . You have to realize, you are arguing with me solely because I said that all women don't behave this way and it shouldn't be assumed that every time a woman is upset that she's doing this. And that some men do it, too. That's it. I didn't say anything extreme. Just because the author wrote about one gender, doesnt mean the other gender is looked at in a more positive light. But you must look at it that way, hence the fact you have a biased view of it. If it was written about a guy, I guarantee you wouldnt be running around trying to inform everyone that women do the same. You are going to drive yourself nuts trying to defend the actions of the women that could care less about themselves and their own self respect. . Fine, let's make a bet on that. I'll bet a million dollars. Because if you look at the time of that post and the time of the post I made on a thread about men over 30 who are single because they are all terrible people (which is stereotyping men over 30), you will see that I defended them there at the same time you were making this post. Pay up, please. I don't like false stereotypes.
Woggle Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Women for the most part will stick up for other women no matter what and the woman who wrote this article is violating that sisterhood.
zengirl Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Women for the most part will stick up for other women no matter what and the woman who wrote this article is violating that sisterhood. Have you met women? Yeah, women never disagree or say anything bad about other women. Never. Come on! What planet is this that you live on?
Woggle Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Have you met women? Yeah, women never disagree or say anything bad about other women. Never. Come on! What planet is this that you live on? I never said never but most of the time women will take each other's side strictly because of gender.
sweetjasmine Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 I never said never but most of the time women will take each other's side strictly because of gender. Just like in this thread! It's amazing how every female in this thread has agreed with the female who wrote the article. Great observation, Wogs!
Enchanted Girl Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Have you met women? Yeah, women never disagree or say anything bad about other women. Never. Come on! What planet is this that you live on? Ahahaha. Yea, I'm very confused by this whole thing, too, since women usually are the ones stereotyped as being catty and backstabbing towards one another. And suddenly we can't disagree with one another ever?
sweetjasmine Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Ahahaha. Yea, I'm very confused by this whole thing, too, since women usually are the ones stereotyped as being catty and backstabbing towards one another. And suddenly we can't disagree with one another ever? No, see, you don't understand. When it comes to men, women band together because they all hate men and want to cut off their testicles with a butterknife and turn them into house slaves. When it comes to stuff between women, they're catty horrible b-tches. I'm just telling the truth, guys. I don't see why you all get mad at me for it.
zengirl Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 No, see, you don't understand. When it comes to men, women band together because they all hate men and want to cut off their testicles with a butterknife and turn them into house slaves. When it comes to stuff between women, they're catty horrible b-tches. I'm just telling the truth, guys. I don't see why you all get mad at me for it. So, all women hate women, but their hate for women is only eclipsed by their hatred for men. I get it. I was wondering why I was so angry all the time.
sweetjasmine Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 So, all women hate women, but their hate for women is only eclipsed by their hatred for men. I get it. I was wondering why I was so angry all the time. Well, now you know. It's all that estrogen and those low levels of testosterone that are making you angry and aggressive.
Knittress Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 I thought she made a good point about the destructive power of negative thinking, and that this applies to just about everyone. I have no idea why you peeps are turning it into a gender war. Enchanted Girl... I feel ya - but you can't win the internet.
Woggle Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Just like in this thread! It's amazing how every female in this thread has agreed with the female who wrote the article. Great observation, Wogs! They disagree with her because she is being sympathetic to men.
Woggle Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 So, all women hate women, but their hate for women is only eclipsed by their hatred for men. I get it. I was wondering why I was so angry all the time. This is true.
CLC2008 Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 I agree there is some truth to this article. But I also agree that everyone has fears of some sort, some are dismissable, others not.
jamesum Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 When an attractive girl made an approach on me, I, too suddenly pulled up my guard and wondered what she wanted from me. Was it because I dressed nice so she thought I was rich even though I actually had no money? Was it because she was playing a game with her friends? Was it because she wanted someone average looking so she could take me for granted? So people with insecurities exist in both genders.
sweetjasmine Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 They disagree with her because she is being sympathetic to men. If that's the case, then you'll be able to address the actual arguments I made about the article instead of jumping in with your usual "men vs. women rarrr!!!" horsesh-t, Woggle.
that girl Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 There are a lot of these articles directed at women saying they are too picky and too critical. But how many are directed at men suggesting maybe they should give the slightly chubby girl with glasses a chance (she could be super sweet!), stop dating around, or stop having such unrealistic expectations of their partners (who should do 90% of the housework without complaint, give blow jobs on command, and never complain)? There are both men and women out there who have unrealistic standards, but it is women's unrealistic standards that get all the press.
Woggle Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 If that's the case, then you'll be able to address the actual arguments I made about the article instead of jumping in with your usual "men vs. women rarrr!!!" horsesh-t, Woggle. I did address the actual arguments. I said any man who has ever been in a relationship where he felt he could never do anything right can relate to this. Women have a habit when they find a good man to pick apart every single tiny little fault he has and blow everything out of proportion. Point me to a thread on here where a good number of men actually took the men's side. Women stick together like hornets no matter who is actually right or wrong.
jamesum Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) But how many are directed at men suggesting maybe they should give the slightly chubby girl with glasses a chance (she could be super sweet!) When was the last time you saw women approaching chubby guys with glasses? There will be no lonely single women in this world if all of them actually start proactively seeking partners instead of just sitting in the corner expecting the hot guys to magically come up and ask them out. I find such attitude self-centered. I know a lot of women are shy, but a lot of men are shy too. Edited July 17, 2010 by jamesum
that girl Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 I said any man who has ever been in a relationship where he felt he could never do anything right can relate to this. Women have a habit when they find a good man to pick apart every single tiny little fault he has and blow everything out of proportion. Aren't you the guy who despite having a very nice woman has a history of constantly assuming she is out to get him? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but if not: pot meet kettle. When was the last time you saw women approaching chubby guys with glasses? I think who asks who out is a separate issue, but it isn't uncommon at all for women to be told to give a guy a chance even if they aren't attracted to him. Many of the posts on this board are from guys saying "I'm super nice but this evil woman doesn't want to date me!" totally ignoring the fact that nice isn't enough. There will be no lonely single women in this world if all of them actually start proactively seeking partners instead of just sitting in the corner expecting the hot guys to magically come up and ask them out. I find such attitude self-centered. Of course there would still be lonely single women. There are strange, unattractive women out there just like men who aren't going to find a lot of takers.
Untouchable_Fire Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 If that's the case, then you'll be able to address the actual arguments I made about the article instead of jumping in with your usual "men vs. women rarrr!!!" horsesh-t, Woggle. I think you primarily argued that being prepared for relationship disasters is an Ok, natural thing for women to do... while what the author was talking about should apply to both genders. You also took issue with the idea that women are "conditioned". I'm just trying to paraphrase your argument.... so I may be off a bit. My thoughts on this are pretty simple. We do try to teach women and men to act in certain ways through our society and culture. This includes media sources, music, TV, education, family systems... ect. There are many variables and not everyone gets the same message. We should all be able to admit that these "societal" influences push men and women to act and think in certain ways. This author is using that as a premise for the article, and though she doesn't back it up... I don't think she is wrong in making that assumption. Anyways... again the overall issue nearly always comes back to expectations. Each woman has different expectations for her relationship and man. In my experience the vast majority have INSANE expectations, but feel they are either normal or justified. I also think this applies to much more than gender and relationships. I've noticed every single kid under the age of 16 expects to be on MTV cribs some day... and typically without any effort. That makes me feel this is primarily a culture issue...
jamesum Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 I think who asks who out is a separate issue, but it isn't uncommon at all for women to be told to give a guy a chance even if they aren't attracted to him. Many of the posts on this board are from guys saying "I'm super nice but this evil woman doesn't want to date me!" totally ignoring the fact that nice isn't enough. My point was that how am I supposed to give the quiet chubby girl with glasses a chance if I dont even realize she exists since she never even makes herself known to me? The difference between nice girls and nice guys is that nice guys actually still try even if they get blown off while nice girls just complain and makes no effort. Of course there would still be lonely single women. There are strange, unattractive women out there just like men who aren't going to find a lot of takers. You are right. I was exaggerating. But it is a fact that the majority of lonely people are people who won't try to proactively seek mates or insist on reaching to the sky when they can't even stand up. If you want a partner, look and be realistic about it.
Woggle Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 It's not that I personally don't trust my wife but I don't trust women period. Sometimes my marriage seems too good to be true. I don't know any man who has what I have and it makes me wonder if it is real. I know how well women act.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 18, 2010 Posted July 18, 2010 It's not that I personally don't trust my wife but I don't trust women period. Sometimes my marriage seems too good to be true. I don't know any man who has what I have and it makes me wonder if it is real. I know how well women act. You are admitting that you are a misogynist then. Go to any counselor and they will tell you that that is an unrealistic and unhealthy way of viewing the world. All of us have been hurt by people we are attracted to. All of us have seen them do horrible things. All of us have been vulnerable with them and then been treated like crap. Romantic relationships cause more pain and drama than regular friendships because they are deeper. It hurts worse when they go wrong. This is what happens whether you are attracted to either guys or girls. I'm not going to lie. I've had moments in life where I wanted to distrust and hate all men, but I got over it because just because I've seen certain men do bad things, it doesn't mean that they are ALL that way. And I especially don't understand why you don't get this. You have a wife who is treated you well and you still think so poorly of women? Usually this only happens when people are in bad relationships, not when they are in good ones.
Serenitynow Posted July 18, 2010 Posted July 18, 2010 You have a wife who is treated you well and you still think so poorly of women? Usually this only happens when people are in bad relationships, not when they are in good ones. I disagree with that. I've had 2 GREAT relationships. and both times, while everything was perfect, they asked why such a great guy like myself, would want to be with such a mediocre woman like them. I think it happens MORE when things are going good for people. Maybe they sit back and realize how good they have it, how lucky they are to have found a perfect match, and it causes them to think they are not worth such happiness.
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