360 pounds - given up!

[allina]

I'm sorry but I'm just seeing excuse after excuse after excuse! I also think you are very in denial.

 

For example, you say "I only ate 2 pork chops with cream mushrooms for breakfast and the same for diner." How about FRESH food? I don't even know what cream mushrooms are but anything in cream is something you should stay away from.

 

This is about such simple choices but you have a reason why you can't make any of them. Can't do fruit, can't do whole wheats. Can't, can't, won't

 

Do you seriously want to lose this weight? Are you being honest with yourself?

[SydneyCarton]

 

That is simply not true, Sydney.

 

 

While there have been some contradictory findings, in general the best scientific evidence on this subject says that it it true. See,

 

High fasting insulin levels associated with lower rates of weight gain in persons with normal glucose tolerance: the San Luis Valley Diabetes Study.

Hoag S. Marshall JA. Jones RH. Hamman RF.

International Journal of Obesity & Related Metabolic Disorders: Journal of the International Association for the Study of Obesity. 19(3):175-80

 

(you can read the abstract on PubMed).

 

 

 

A few years ago my best friend's body stopped making insulin. She immediately started to lose weight, though enjoying as much food and alcohol as she wanted. She even said to me in jest, it seems that the more I eat the more weight I lose. Her weight dropped from 18 stones to 11 stones in about 3 months. Then she fell into a coma and was admitted to hospital near to death.

 

"If not insulin then not fat" does not imply "if insulin then fat". That's simple logic (a statement and its inverse aren't equivalent), no biology involved. What's going on biologically is that when you have uncontrolled hyperglycemia like that, a large amount of glucose is being lost in the urine (hence the name diabetes mellitus). In addition, if insulin levels are low then lots of ketone bodies (which contain significant food energy) are being produced and also lost in the urine and through respiration. It's still a question of calories in minus calories out, but there is a huge increase in calories out due to so many being lost through urination and respiration.

 

She recovered and I was with her when she was seen by the senior consultant endocrinologist for our county. He said: "In the absence of insulin in the body, it is impossible to store any food as weight on the body."

 

He was assuming a normal diet, with a significant portion of the calories coming from carbohydrate. If you ate 10,000 calories of fat a day you would gain plenty of weight, whether you had any insulin or not.

 

Any rise in blood sugar causes an insulin reaction (i.e. a large burst of insulin into the bloodstream). Insulin, which is a "storage" hormone, signals the body to remove excess glucose (blood sugar) from the blood and store it first in muscle cells. Any excess is converted to fat (triglycerides) for storage in adipose (fat) cells in your chin, upper arms, belly, hips, buttocks, thighs and elsewhere.

 

Sure, but it's not the insulin that's making you gain the fat, it's the calories. The insulin is just making sure that they're stored properly (since they have to end up somewhere). If you consume fewer calories then you expend, you won't gain weight, no matter how high your insulin levels are.

 

Therefore, eating high-glycemic foods causes your body to store excess carbohydrates as fat and not use them for energy.

 

No, it's consuming more carbohydrate then you need for your immediate energy needs that causes them to be stored, regardless of the glycemic index. The purported advantages of low-glycemic index carbohydrates has to do with how they may effect hunger. There isn't a lot of evidence on this subject (in part because we don't understand very much about the way hunger is regulated), but the theory is certainly sound.

 

That's why most low fat, high carbohydrate diets fail - even though calories may be kept to an uncomfortable minimum.

 

Any diet that reduces calories enough, whether high in carbohydrate or low in carbohydrate, will cause weight loss, providing that people actually follow it. That has been conclusively demonstrated over and over again. It's finding a reduced calorie diet that people can actually stick to in the long-run that's the challenge.

[SydneyCarton]

Thanks Syd.

 

The very thought of surgery terrifies me.

 

 

It's major surgery. It would be abnormal if you weren't at least a bit apprehensive about it. The question is: Is it the idea of the surgery itself that terrifies you, or is it the prospect of having to change your eating patterns permanently?

 

 

In order to get the surgery, because of British rules, I would have to convince the doctor that I was eager, if not desperate, to have it, with no reservations whatsoever. Once they see my ambivalence they won't let me have it, anyway.

 

 

I'm not familiar with British NHS policy, but what most surgeons want to see is recognition on your part that your eating behavior is going to have to change and real commitment to changing it. Having some qualms about the surgery itself shouldn't disqualify you.

 

I also have to demonstrate a total commitment to eating a tiny amount of food at each meal. I cannot give that commitment and I cannot swear that I'd never eat chocolate.

 

Depending upon the type of surgery you have, you would probably find that milk chocolate causes dumping syndrome. You might be able to eat small amounts of dark chocolate without getting sick, but only small amounts. The real issue is not whether you think you can give up eating large amounts of chocolate now, but how you would feel if after the surgery you were forced to.

 

Lastly, and this is a bit stupid, as you will see, every candidate for surgery HAS TO demonstrate that they can lose 10% of their body weight by diet alone, before the surgery.

 

Well, if I could lose 36 pounds, I would not need the surgery would I?

 

 

That's not necessarily true. Most people can initially lose 10% of their body weight through diet alone (you could certainly do it through Medifast or something like that, if you're willing to stick to it). It's going beyond that or maintaining the loss that's usually the problem.

Edited May 11, 2010 by SydneyCarton

[Sussexwoman]

 

For example, you say "I only ate 2 pork chops with cream mushrooms for breakfast and the same for diner." How about FRESH food? I don't even know what cream mushrooms are but anything in cream is something you should stay away from.

 

Can't do fruit, can't do whole wheats. Can't, can't, won't

 

I had fresh pork chops and fresh mushrooms with fresh cream poured on to make the sauce. It was all fresh! What is your problem with that? Why should I stay away from cream? I am not allergic to dairy.

 

I am wheat intolerant and fruit gives me blood sugar crashes. What is all this won't crap you are giving me? Do you expect me to suffer illness all day long just because you think I should eat wheat and fruit? Wheat isn't fresh, it's a man-made product. Bread is a processed food, what on earth makes you think it is some kind of slimming food or even a health food? Fruit is sugar, what is supposed to be so bloody virtuous about filling yourself with sugar?

 

You not only have a nasty, mocking attitude but you know nothing about food and nothing about my medical condition either so you should just shut up criticising me!

[allina]

I had fresh pork chops and fresh mushrooms with fresh cream poured on to make the sauce. It was all fresh! What is your problem with that? Why should I stay away from cream? I am not allergic to dairy.

 

I am wheat intolerant and fruit gives me blood sugar crashes. What is all this won't crap you are giving me? Do you expect me to suffer illness all day long just because you think I should eat wheat and fruit? Wheat isn't fresh, it's a man-made product. Bread is a processed food, what on earth makes you think it is some kind of slimming food or even a health food? Fruit is sugar, what is supposed to be so bloody virtuous about filling yourself with sugar?

 

You not only have a nasty, mocking attitude but you know nothing about food and nothing about my medical condition either so you should just shut up criticising me!

 

Alright then......good luck.

[Rorschach]

Alright then......good luck.

 

I see five year olds give less excuses than this...

[alphamale]

sounds like bariatric surgery is in order here

[just_some_guy]

just_some_guy

I think you are right. I looked into OA, there is a meeting 15 miles away (not easy, since I do not drive) but I was completely put of because it's all about putting ourselves in the hands of God and I am a fervent atheist.

 

No it isn't.

 

You're making excuses.

 

There's a very big difference between a higher power and god. If you don't accept the notion of God as your higher power, you can make your higher power anything you like, including the door knob.

 

Get off your duff and go to the meeting and tell me I'm wrong. I dare you.

 

 

 

I do object to basically being called a liar. I have a science degree, I am not an idiot. I have scales and I can keep track of calories and amounts.

 

"those little bits of this and that add up to far more calories than we think."

 

But I am not a snacker or a picker. I have two big meals, and on a bad day I have ONE bar of chocolate, but that is IT I don't snack on anything. And all my drinks are calorie free (water and fruit infusions).

 

Dear, if you weigh 360 lbs, you are consuming far more calories than you believe you are. I am not calling you a liar, as that implies some intent. You honestly believe what you're saying, but the physical evidence proves otherwise.

 

 

 

"Overeating is frequently a self-soothing act. Eating is pleasurable, but it becomes a problem when the need for the pleasure exceeds the need to fuel the body."

 

I agree that on many days I simply eat too much, and yes it is an immense pleasure to me. I adore that full-up feeling, so much so that I worry that I will NEVER be able to stop.

 

"The pleasing feelings of eating only temporarily soothe whatever underlying pain or emptiness that we're trying to deal with."

 

Yes I understand. I have quite a happy life now but, as I said, a horrible, insecure childhood full of chaos and violence.

 

You have unfinished work to do.

 

 

I had expensive, professional, qualified counselling for weight loss problems, we went all through my childhood etc. At the end of 13 months the counsellor ended our weekly sessions saying she wasn't getting anywhere with me, I was a hopeless case. She was particularly annoyed that I was still eating chocolate. She said I could come back once I had given up the chocolate.

 

Your counsellor with almost 100% certainty did not say YOU "were a hopeless case."

 

The truth is you were resisting therapy and not doing your work. She ended your sessions because of that.

 

She also set a boundary with you on the chocolate and you continue to cross it.

 

In other words, you are refusing help.

 

Do you think this is unusual? Do you think I have not seen every bit of this, first hand?

 

After that I had hypnosis. That also cost me a lot of money, and at the end of ten weeks it still had no effect, and I could not afford to keep on with it.

 

The problem is within and so is the healing. You were looking for an engineer to come fix you, as though your boiler was out. It doesn't work that way. But there are lots of people who will take your money and promise a painless fix to all that ails you. It never, ever works.

 

Why not just sign off the chocolate for a month and go see your original therapist. And go to the OA meeting, protest your atheism and dare them to explain the concept of higher power.

 

You are avoiding the work of healing, out of fear of the pain. Your body wants to heal, your mind wants to heal, but your fear is standing in your way, throwing up roadblocks to what really needs to happen. Let go of the fear, let go of the excuses and just step into the healing process. It is all at once, just that simple and just that difficult.

[SadandConfusedWA]

Most fruits are in fact LOW GI and will NOT cause sugar crashes. You need to read more about your own condition, you have got it all wrong.

 

As for processed vs unprocessed foods, this is another debate in itself. There is some evidence that processed foods are unhealthier but if eaten in moderation, they won't make you gain weight.

 

As for calorie theory being disproven, every single theory in the world is opposed or "disproven" somewhere. However, majority of the world, dietitians etc base weight loss on calories in/calories out and IT WORKS. In fact, simple law of physics makes it impossible to be otherwise. The only way where this is out of whack is in certain medical conditions where body is either losing calories at an abnormal rate (such as untreated diabetes) or the metabolism is slowed down (i.e. by hypo-thyroidism) so the body burns less calories than normal. But even with those conditions it still comes down to calories put in/calories burned, it's just that "calories burned" part is out of whack.

 

You are so deep in the land of denial that you make completly illogical arguments and stick with them. My only guess is that on some level you really don't want to lose the weight.

[kassy]

No it isn't.

 

You're making excuses.

 

There's a very big difference between a higher power and god. If you don't accept the notion of God as your higher power, you can make your higher power anything you like, including the door knob.

 

Get off your duff and go to the meeting and tell me I'm wrong. I dare you.

 

 

 

 

 

Dear, if you weigh 360 lbs, you are consuming far more calories than you believe you are. I am not calling you a liar, as that implies some intent. You honestly believe what you're saying, but the physical evidence proves otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

You have unfinished work to do.

 

 

 

 

Your counsellor with almost 100% certainty did not say YOU "were a hopeless case."

 

The truth is you were resisting therapy and not doing your work. She ended your sessions because of that.

 

She also set a boundary with you on the chocolate and you continue to cross it.

 

In other words, you are refusing help.

 

Do you think this is unusual? Do you think I have not seen every bit of this, first hand?

 

 

 

The problem is within and so is the healing. You were looking for an engineer to come fix you, as though your boiler was out. It doesn't work that way. But there are lots of people who will take your money and promise a painless fix to all that ails you. It never, ever works.

 

Why not just sign off the chocolate for a month and go see your original therapist. And go to the OA meeting, protest your atheism and dare them to explain the concept of higher power.

 

You are avoiding the work of healing, out of fear of the pain. Your body wants to heal, your mind wants to heal, but your fear is standing in your way, throwing up roadblocks to what really needs to happen. Let go of the fear, let go of the excuses and just step into the healing process. It is all at once, just that simple and just that difficult.

 

This, and many other posts in this thread are really fantastic!

 

You take any level of criticism and throw a massive wobbly, if you read back, people aren't being mean for the fun of it, they are telling you the blunt and painful truth to hopefully help you. If you only take to heart one post that challenges you make it the one above.

 

I really hope you make some changes, I really doubt you will, and I think it's very likely you will die young of some totally preventable cause. It's really sad. But right now, you are just frustrating beyond belief so I'm going to walk away. But this is one situation where I would be thrilled to be proved wrong!

[Green]

Have you been on one 20-30 minute walk since I told you too?

 

The truth is you know exactly what you need to do and be trying. Only you can motivate yourself. I suggest you just enjoy yourself at any weight you are at including your current weight though because life is a journey not a destination. Good luck, don't give up.

[sb129]

Most fruits are in fact LOW GI and will NOT cause sugar crashes. You need to read more about your own condition, you have got it all wrong.

 

ABut even with those conditions it still comes down to calories put in/calories burned, it's just that "calories burned" part is out of whack.

 

You are so deep in the land of denial that you make completly illogical arguments and stick with them. My only guess is that on some level you really don't want to lose the weight.

 

I agree with this, and with kassy.

 

The evidence is there SW- you are 360lbs.

You aren't losing weight because you don't exercise enough and you eat too many calories.

 

Your attitude seems to be that you expect somebody or something else to do it all for you.

 

Your lifestyle is pretty unhealthy, but hey- many people your size don't have an active sex life. Apart from the fact that its probably going to be detrimental to your health, do you actually really care about losing weight?

 

You don't seem that determined to me.

 

(and I am on a diet right now, so believe me I know how hard it can be. But I AM losing weight, through diet monitoring and exercise)

[Taramere]

Sussexwoman's yanking people's chains I think. Take a look at "her" anal sex thread. It's full of camp prissiness, porn speak and schoolboy toilet humour.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t230371/

 

"Oh Ladies! Let's talk about how my boyfriend, who I'm absolutely crazy about, likes to pound his mammoth bell end in my little wrong-un. Should I stock up on lots of lube and immodium? Oh ladies! Tell me, do you take a shafting up the wrong 'un from time to time? Tell all, ladies, do!"

 

"Ladies! I weigh 360 pounds even though I only eat 2,000 calories a day. Help me! What do you mean I must surely eat more than 2,000 calories a day if I'm that fat? Don't be ridiculous! The myth that eating too much causes obesity has been blown out of the water. If you rude, ignorant people can't provide serious, intelligent and courteous responses to my genuine queries then I'm leaving." *camp exit with lots of hair tossing and door slamming*

 

Serious business, trolling. Not saying the poster doesn't have problems, but I doubt they're the presenting ones.

Edited May 12, 2010 by Taramere

[sb129]

I did think something was starting to smell a little bit fishy. (pork- choppy!)

[Taramere]

I did think something was starting to smell a little bit fishy. (pork- choppy!)

 

I'm sure there will be an outraged "I am NOT a troll" rebuttal. Stout indignation! That's what I'm anticipating.

[Jilly Bean]

I did think something was starting to smell a little bit fishy. (pork- choppy!)

 

That's a FRESH and creamy pork choppy to you, Missy!

[deux ex machina]

I'm sure there will be an outraged "I am NOT a troll" rebuttal. Stout indignation! That's what I'm anticipating.

 

*sets up lawn chair; gets out popcorn*

*waits for it*

[JustLooking123]

That's a FRESH and creamy pork choppy to you, Missy!

 

That's almost as disgusting as her description of her sex life.

[stepka]

Well the posts are coming faster than I can read them so I'll just post my question for the OP: have you tried the sugar free chocolates? They're not bad at all, and the best part is that I have little desire to immediately eat another one like I would with the sugary ones. Also, it would be a bad idea b/c flatulence sets in right after having 2 of them. But they do satisfy the chocolate craving.

[marsle85]

It sounds like to me, you spend more time arguing each and every diet tip you receive than actually TRYING them.

 

Girl. Get on a treadmill and stop eating so much.

 

 

Done.

[Sussexwoman]

Since I last posted on here I've kept to a very strict 1,000 calorie a day diet plus done one hour water aerobics daily and walked back a mile from the pool, which is bloody good for someone my age who weighs 350 pounds.

 

Then I logged on to tell you all the good news!

 

What a bunch of friendless, inhumane saddoes you are, sitting at your PCs, surfing the net looking for people to spit your poisonous venom at.

 

So much anger and abuse because you don't think a fat woman should be having a good and increasinly adventurous sex life and be loved by a wonderful man! Your envy is tangible.

 

I need some encouragement not this jealousy-fuelled hatred.

 

Some of the freaks on here have incredibly deep seated psychological issues beyond what anyone on a forum can help you deal with.

 

I am so outta here!

 

Sorry to leave the one or two decent people on here who I think genuinely offered me support -- rest assured I will be copying and pasting your advice into a Word file for future reference. Thank you!

 

The rest of you need to book yourselves into the funny farm!

 

The jealous and the freaks can say what they like on here now, as I won't ever visit LS again.

[Sussexwoman]

S

"Oh Ladies! Let's talk about how my boyfriend, who I'm absolutely crazy about, likes to pound his mammoth bell end in my little wrong-un. Should I stock up on lots of lube and immodium? Oh ladies! Tell me, do you take a shafting up the wrong 'un from time to time? Tell all, ladies, do!"

 

I never wrote anything remotely like that.

 

Taramere is an utter liar.

[Sussexwoman]

Sorry to leave the decent people who posted earlier on here LIKE BELLE VIE AND KASSY AND RORSHACH who genuinely offered me support -- rest assured I will be copying and pasting your advice into a Word file for future reference. Thank you!

 

 

[SadandConfusedWA]

Since I last posted on here I've kept to a very strict 1,000 calorie a day diet plus done one hour water aerobics daily and walked back a mile from the pool, which is bloody good for someone my age who weighs 350 pounds.

 

Then I logged on to tell you all the good news!

 

What a bunch of friendless, inhumane saddoes you are, sitting at your PCs, surfing the net looking for people to spit your poisonous venom at.

 

So much anger and abuse because you don't think a fat woman should be having a good and increasinly adventurous sex life and be loved by a wonderful man! Your envy is tangible.

 

I need some encouragement not this jealousy-fuelled hatred.

 

Some of the freaks on here have incredibly deep seated psychological issues beyond what anyone on a forum can help you deal with.

 

I am so outta here!

 

Sorry to leave the one or two decent people on here who I think genuinely offered me support -- rest assured I will be copying and pasting your advice into a Word file for future reference. Thank you!

 

The rest of you need to book yourselves into the funny farm!

 

The jealous and the freaks can say what they like on here now, as I won't ever visit LS again.

 

I know, lots of people just can't handle the truth. Enjoy living in the world of self delusion you have created.

[Rorschach]

I know, lots of people just can't handle the truth. Enjoy living in the world of self delusion you have created.

 

I find it ironic that she listed me as one of the 'good ones' when at this point I'm just waiting for her to actually leave like she keeps saying she's going to so I can stop listening to the lies and excuses