The Old Porno Argument!

[soserious1]

So your man can come to you, but only if his thoughts are based on you and meet your pre-established standards of approval?

 

Mr. Lucky

 

what he's being asked is to not use me as a cum rag.. he can buy a fleshlight for that. It's real simple, if you're sitting at your computer for an hour and you're all excited from viewing porn,please finish yourself off, don't expect me to do it. Dance with the one who brung ya to that point ie: the porn star.

 

Your right to fantasy does not extend to a right to use me as some sort of object or masterbatory tool.

[Lovelybird]

My theory about women who have this problem is that they simply love too much.

 

They are so in love with their SO that they genuinely feel he is the best thing that ever happened to them.

 

They fantasize about him when they masturbate, they don’t notice other men at all. They are so much into the relationship; they are usually very sexual and very ‘daring’ in the bedroom. Quite often very imaginative, which ironically drives men to porn more than if they weren’t.

 

They are into sex with him totally and completely and when they discover his ‘other interests’ they can’t comprehend why. Mainly they conclude that it’s the women – young, big breasted, groomed to an average man’s liking (often freaky for her taste, but still something her bf finds incredibly sexy)

 

Typically, their man’s lust for other women is a pretty bad turn off for them.

 

They withdraw sexually, they get angry, they get sad, they question their own attractiveness... They try to accept, they try to do something, and mainly they suffer most of the time.

 

The solution is really quite simple:

Stop loving so much.

 

First of all, step back – your bf or husband is really nothing so special – just a normal guy.

 

Second, you probably won’t find too many men who are not interested in other women, so try to concentrate on what YOU need and get from the relationship. Most women with this problem get very deeply involved. Rule number 1: Don’t get too involved. Think about your needs first (ironically this will work better than selflessly putting his needs first and feeling betrayed in the process)

 

Think what he can do for you, not what you can do for him.

Again, ironically he will want you more for that.

 

If you feel like you are using him, try to suppress this thought, or better still, enjoy it if you can.

Move your state of mind from ‘am I good enough for him’ to ‘is he good enough for me’. (Most men who defend their right to other women like their life depends on it probably are not)

Even then, even if you decide that he is not good enough long term, do what men do all the time – enjoy while someone better comes along. And I don’t necessarily mean sex – enjoy your time with him the way YOU like.

Concentrate on YOURSELF and your own needs.

 

Expect him to do what you want rather than desperately try to do what you THINK he wants.

 

Enjoy men for what they have to offer – for sex, money, companionship... whatever you feel like.

Use them if you want.

 

But enjoy your life. It is less important if they enjoy theirs (and it is not your responsibility anyway)

 

Love yourself

I agree with some principles you said here, but besides women work on self and focus on self more, they and their husband are one. when their husband suffers morally, their unity suffers it as well. when one of them lose it, it feels like both of them lose it.

 

Porn is built on dehumanity and do harms for both of hb and wives, wives certainly cannot control their husband, but certainly have ways to influence them, positively. How can a wife influence her husband positively? by improving herself, by moving herself toward good direction first. Plainly let wild seeds grow (accept porn), just isn't a positive solution

[2nd-Best]

What I would like to see, since you argue this point so strongly Mr.Lucky.. I would like to see you open this thread up to your wife and have hear read it and read your replies and opinions and see how happy your marraige would be after that, I can guarentee you that you'd have a heap of problems after that.

[blair08]

I'm surprised the thread hasn't be closed already personally. It just goes around and around with no end. Not one thing from has really been resolved. The ones who love it, more than likely always will and the ones who hate it, more than likely always will. Its like beating a dead horse. I guess after awhile, some people just get some kind of enjoyment at continuing to beat the dead horse.

[Jersey Shortie]

How can that not be seen as an insecurity bordering on neurotic? If that's not needy, then I don't know what is.

 

I would perhaps suggest wrapping his head in tinfoil to keep any of the "bad thoughts" from filtering in...

 

Mr. Lucky

 

If it's not needy to have a willing sexual partner that loves you and is open to having sex with you most of the time, on top of needing porn and ogling other women, if that isn't needy in it's own right, I don't know what is.

 

Perhaps we should wrap a woman's heart in tinfoil and keep out any "bad feelings" from filtering in when a boyfriend or husband behave in a way that is less then honorable.

[POcketHurc]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There is nothing you can do to force someone to change or want ot change, which is where it all starts of course. The either have to learn to except his behavior and move forward or take a good look at yourself. We are all in the relationships that we want anyway, either you would like to admit it or not.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Now I do not know if he has a problem with porn or you just don’t like any porn. Men masturbate for many reasons just not physical gratification and generally have some kind of aid; visual, auditory, etc. Besides men masturbate to deal will stress or he needs a sense of control. So Im not going to place any labels on it. As far as content, we are all genetically configured to desire certain aspects of the opposite sex. It be either a proportionate frame, age, social status, (if you date alpha males you know what Im talking about.)[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You need to take control of your life and determine what you are willing to except and what you’re not willing to except in a relationship. We are adults and life can be a bitch and painful but you know that and the hard decisions are the one s that have the greatest return. Either you have changed jobs had a divorce or joined a convent. Its never easy but that’s what makes it worth it.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Good luck.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[2nd-Best]

I'm surprised the thread hasn't be closed already personally. It just goes around and around with no end. Not one thing from has really been resolved. The ones who love it, more than likely always will and the ones who hate it, more than likely always will. Its like beating a dead horse. I guess after awhile, some people just get some kind of enjoyment at continuing to beat the dead horse.

 

 

would this be considered animal cruelty? lol

[Mr. Lucky]

What I would like to see, since you argue this point so strongly Mr.Lucky.. I would like to see you open this thread up to your wife and have hear read it and read your replies and opinions and see how happy your marraige would be after that, I can guarentee you that you'd have a heap of problems after that.

Do you mean the same wife that renews my Playboy subscription every year on my birthday? The same wife on who's suggestion a month ago we watched "Suzy Superstar" ( a really cheesy '70's porn movie) together because a friend told her it was "hot"? Is that the wife you're referring to?

 

If I had to come up with one word to describe my wife's contribution to our sex life, it would be "fun". Her self-confident and joyful approach to our time together is about as far from the neurotic mess self-inflicted by some posters as you can get. As I said before, in 22 years I've never been even tempted to stray. We can argue right and wrong all day, but I'd bet that I'm having more fun ...

 

Mr. Lucky

[2nd-Best]

Do you mean the same wife that renews my Playboy subscription every year on my birthday? The same wife on who's suggestion a month ago we watched "Suzy Superstar" ( a really cheesy '70's porn movie) together because a friend told her it was "hot"? Is that the wife you're referring to?

 

Mr. Lucky

 

 

I thought you said that you never watch porn?

I'm pretty sure you had said that before, so if you never watch porn then how are you watching Suzy Supertar whoever that is and reading ... ha umm i mean looking at playboy.. and don't say that its just for the articles.

[Mr. Lucky]

I thought you said that you never watch porn?

I'm pretty sure you had said that before, so if you never watch porn then how are you watching Suzy Supertar whoever that is and reading ... ha umm i mean looking at playboy.. and don't say that its just for the articles.

What I said was that I spend less time looking at porn that I do wondering what kind of lawn fertilizer to use. For whatever reason, the often pushed theory of "once you look at porn you're hooked and it will dominate and consume your life" hasn't been true.

 

I did make a comment once to my wife about enjoying the interview and articles in Playboy. When the next issue came, she cut out all the pictures and gave it to me, saying "Here you go hon, just the way you like it. Only the articles". See what I mean? Fun! Try it some time, you might like it...

 

Mr. Lucky

[Jersey Shortie]

If I had to come up with one word to describe my wife's contribution to our sex life, it would be "fun". Her self-confident and joyful approach to our time together is about as far from the neurotic mess self-inflicted by some posters as you can get. As I said before, in 22 years I've never been even tempted to stray. We can argue right and wrong all day, but I'd bet that I'm having more fun ...

 

Mr. Lucky

 

Why would you be tempted to stray? You have the best of both worlds to be honest. You have a woman that obviously loves you. And you can look and lust at all the young women in porn on top of that. You aren't the one getting the short end of the stick in that deal.

 

Yes, on top of ogling pictures of 25 year olds in porn while my wife is 40+, lets expect her to be more highly evovled them myself and feel confident and fun and vunerable with a man that is indirectly replacing her every so often with said 25 year olds. Of course it's fun for you! What isn't fun about that for you? What is fun for a woman 40+ watching her husband get off on over photoshopped and surgically enhanced women? I undestand the fun for the man, don't get me wrong. I see alot of consideration on a womans part in that regard. I see very little consideration on the man's part in return.

 

When they say it's a man's world, they aren't kidding.

 

Perhaps more women could feel that sex could be more fun and feel more confident if men weren't always bringing unrealistic ideas and ideals about women's bodies and actions. If men really want more fun, adventours carefree women in the bedroom, what in the world makes a man think that bringing a male dominated medium that has a very limited approach to female beauty, is going to make a woman more open and vulnerable to him? Please tell me.

[2nd-Best]

 

Yes, on top of ogling pictures of 25 year olds in porn while my wife is 40+, lets expect her to be more highly evovled them myself and feel confident and fun and vunerable with a man that is indirectly replacing her every so often with said 25 year olds. Of course it's fun for you! What isn't fun about that for you? What is fun for a woman 40+ watching her husband get off on over photoshopped and surgically enhanced women? I undestand the fun for the man, don't get me wrong. I see alot of consideration on a womans part in that regard. I see very little consideration on the man's part in return.

 

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Yeah, just imagine how it feels being a young 25 year old woman and still being too old? its just gettign worse adn worse, because its not 25 year old girls they are looking at anymore, its 16 year olds.

[Mr. Lucky]

When they say it's a man's world, they aren't kidding.

You're right Jersey. The deck is stacked against you. There's no way any woman can be happy in a relationship or marriage today. Those that think they're happy are just fooling themselves. The perceptive and aware women are conscious of the gender-wide disdain men secretly hold for them.

 

Is that what you want to hear? I don't think you'll be satisfied until everyone agrees on how victimized you are. So now that we can all declare that Jersey has been wronged, what's the next step for you?

 

Mr. Lucky

[Agoraphobianebula]

Yeah, just imagine how it feels being a young 25 year old woman and still being too old? its just gettign worse adn worse, because its not 25 year old girls they are looking at anymore, its 16 year olds.

 

Why do you need men to look at you in order to feel good about yourself? aren't you perpetuating that very same "women as piece of meat" theory that you are arguing against? You can't look in the mirror and feel beautiful unless someone, in this case, your husband is constantly massaging your fragile ego, catering to every body image and issues you have?

 

It's disgusting and I agree with the poster who said that kind of neediness is exactly what turns a man off and makes him seek out porn. Confidence is the most sexy thing about a woman. And no you don't have to look like a porn star. I've seen 200lb women carry themselves with such self assuredness that the sexiness they oozed surpassed any that of any pencil thin porn star. Women who know they are beautiful without any one else telling them so.

 

If you women insist on playing victim, that is exactly what you are going to remain--victims. And you are doing yourselves a huge disservice, you just don't realize it. Other women are not jumping on your bandwagon with this topic because most of them don't feel the way you do despite your belief that they do. Most women are not that insecure and whiny. They know in their minds that a 25 year old porn star, big boobed and all doesn't belong in the same league as them. That's confidence my friends, get some.

[Jersey Shortie]

You're right Jersey. The deck is stacked against you. There's no way any woman can be happy in a relationship or marriage today. Those that think they're happy are just fooling themselves. The perceptive and aware women are conscious of the gender-wide disdain men secretly hold for them.

 

Is that what you want to hear? I don't think you'll be satisfied until everyone agrees on how victimized you are. So now that we can all declare that Jersey has been wronged, what's the next step for you?

 

Mr. Lucky

 

 

What I am looking for is some male compassion. Maybe this is something men are incapable of giving when it comes to pornography.

 

This isn't about victimization. This is about more then several women here being honest about how they see things, just as you are honest about how you see things. But when you write it off as silly nosense, you aren't being fair to the other opinions being expressed. It appears to be what you are doing whenever you want to reduce it to a matter of women just playing victim. Please look beyond what you think is "whining and victimhood" to what several the women here are trying to express to the male gender. It does neither one a service to put women down about their feelings on a medium that pretty much disrespects women and stereotypes them into a narrow standard of attraction.

 

 

Why do you need men to look at you in order to feel good about yourself? aren't you perpetuating that very same "women as piece of meat" theory that you are arguing against? You can't look in the mirror and feel beautiful unless someone, in this case, your husband is constantly massaging your fragile ego, catering to every body image and issues you have?

 

We are very aware how easily swayed men are by looks. To be understanding about how much men like thevisual and the visually attractive and condemn women for in turn wanting to be beautiful to their SO, is not fair. There are certain things each person does in a relationship that either makes their partner feel more secure in the relationship, or more insecure. Sometimes porn makes a woman feel insecure in her spot in his life. I believe this to be perfectly natural considering the nature of what porn is. Porn is all about the visually appealing. Men love it. Men defend it. And yet wome nare expected to be so much more highly evolved and secure in themselves while men pander and love a world that showcases a very narrow and stereotypical idea of female beauty? come on, that isn't fair.

 

And yes, women have body issues. When we see what we look in the mirror, compared to the images that men feed off of and love, we see the different in our bodies compared to the idealized version that men wish was true. If you don't think that isn't going to cause some amount of insecurity, questions and negative body image, you are being unrealistic.

 

 

It's disgusting and I agree with the poster who said that kind of neediness is exactly what turns a man off and makes him seek out porn.

 

Then you can understand how a man's sexual neediness and desire to seek out porn in turn can easily turn off a woman. Neither sex likes when the other sex subcumbs to their most basic and selfish desires. men do not like when women act what they consider over emotional, and women do not like when men pander to their sexual whims. That is the 100% truth. I am more the willing to curb my emotions and emotional neediness if I felt men in turn were willing to do the same when it came to their sexuality. yet alot of men complain about women's emotions and expect women to have a better handle on them then they handle their sexual neediness. It's not any more attracitive to women when men are sexual needy and weak, catering to their desirse any more then when you think women are emotionally needy and week.

 

 

 

If you women insist on playing victim, that is exactly what you are going to remain--victims. And you are doing yourselves a huge disservice, you just don't realize it. Other women are not jumping on your bandwagon with this topic because most of them don't feel the way you do despite your belief that they do. Most women are not that insecure and whiny. They know in their minds that a 25 year old porn star, big boobed and all doesn't belong in the same league as them. That's confidence my friends, get some.

 

 

I suggest most men get their own confidence as well. there is something in porn that validate men and their seuxality. You could easily argue that the way men hold onto porn is about their own sexual insecurity. And that is just as unattractive to women as well. Perhaps men also need to get some confidence in themselves. And confidence enough that putting down the porn to favor of their loved one makes them no less a man, but a bigger and better man that more women would have a greater respect for.

 

I would also like to committ that if men didn't consider big breasted 25 year olds the epitome of female beauty over confidence, we would be seeing more movies with confident women then we would big breated 25 year old ones. The irnoy is men expect women to be more highly evovled then them and surpass the stereotypes to feel better about themselves while men pander to those exact same stereotypes and put them on pedestals of female beauty. the irnoy never ceases to amaze me.

[Mr. Lucky]

It does neither one a service to put women down about their feelings on a medium that pretty much disrespects women and stereotypes them into a narrow standard of attraction.

If porn is the arbiter of standards of attraction and disrespect (and boy, could we debate that one all day), then I have two questions:

 

1). Most porn videos have both male actors and female actresses. Why are only the females "disrespected" by their presence in the videos?

 

2). Most porn actors are well-endowed (to put it mildly) buff young men. Aren't you concerned that us 40+ year old guys are suffering from stereotyping due to a narrow standard of attraction?

 

Mr. Lucky

[soserious1]

Why do you need men to look at you in order to feel good about yourself? aren't you perpetuating that very same "women as piece of meat" theory that you are arguing against? You can't look in the mirror and feel beautiful unless someone, in this case, your husband is constantly massaging your fragile ego, catering to every body image and issues you have?

 

It's disgusting and I agree with the poster who said that kind of neediness is exactly what turns a man off and makes him seek out porn. Confidence is the most sexy thing about a woman. And no you don't have to look like a porn star. I've seen 200lb women carry themselves with such self assuredness that the sexiness they oozed surpassed any that of any pencil thin porn star. Women who know they are beautiful without any one else telling them so.

 

If you women insist on playing victim, that is exactly what you are going to remain--victims. And you are doing yourselves a huge disservice, you just don't realize it. Other women are not jumping on your bandwagon with this topic because most of them don't feel the way you do despite your belief that they do. Most women are not that insecure and whiny. They know in their minds that a 25 year old porn star, big boobed and all doesn't belong in the same league as them. That's confidence my friends, get some.

 

Funny in all the thousands of pages of porn my soon to be ex clogged our home LAN with there weren't any pictures of 200 pound women, they also weren't any pictures of middle aged women. And yes I know "that a 25 year old porn star, big boobed and all doesn't belong in the same league as me"

because my husband flat out told me that he'd much rather be fscking one of them than fscking me. I made the criminal error of getting too old for his tastes.

 

And I didn't get "whiny" I got a divorce lawyer, he's now free to chase skirt,surf for porn and make somebody else's life a living hell.

[soserious1]

If porn is the arbiter of standards of attraction and disrespect (and boy, could we debate that one all day), then I have two questions:

 

1). Most porn videos have both male actors and female actresses. Why are only the females "disrespected" by their presence in the videos?

 

2). Most porn actors are well-endowed (to put it mildly) buff young men. Aren't you concerned that us 40+ year old guys are suffering from stereotyping due to a narrow standard of attraction?

 

Mr. Lucky

 

 

most of em have faces that would stop a clock from what I've seen, the only thing most of em have is massive members and from what I've read it's to help the guy watching the vid imagine that it's he,himself with the big cock fscking that porn actress.

[Agoraphobianebula]

Funny in all the thousands of pages of porn my soon to be ex clogged our home LAN with there weren't any pictures of 200 pound women, they also weren't any pictures of middle aged women. And yes I know "that a 25 year old porn star, big boobed and all doesn't belong in the same league as me"

because my husband flat out told me that he'd much rather be fscking one of them than fscking me. I made the criminal error of getting too old for his tastes.

 

And I didn't get "whiny" I got a divorce lawyer, he's now free to chase skirt,surf for porn and make somebody else's life a living hell.

 

I understand your pain, I do but sooner or later, you will have to work through that pain and let it go. Your husband did a bad thing, he did. You can't judge all men by his awful standards.

 

Why you stayed so long and allowed him to erode your self esteem is beyond me. He is one man, stop with the victimhood, he is one man and you shouldn't let one silly man define your whole existence. That is my point.

 

I've read your posts, yes he punished you for getting older but you also contributed to that punishment by allowing to keep doing it to you. Remember, we teach people how to treat us?. So assume responsibility for your part in it and release the anger. As long as you keep yourself the victim, he wins and I don't think that is what you want now, is it?

[2nd-Best]

gross, male pornstars are the most unattractive men their are, just because they have big dicks which are usually veiny and crooked, doesnt mean that that caters to womans likings, we're a little more picky than that.

Men tend to like anything with a nice pair of tits and ass and vag!

 

big defference

[Agoraphobianebula]

 

 

What I am looking for is some male compassion. Maybe this is something men are incapable of giving when it comes to pornography.

 

This isn't about victimization. This is about more then several women here being honest about how they see things, just as you are honest about how you see things. But when you write it off as silly nosense, you aren't being fair to the other opinions being expressed. It appears to be what you are doing whenever you want to reduce it to a matter of women just playing victim. Please look beyond what you think is "whining and victimhood" to what several the women here are trying to express to the male gender. It does neither one a service to put women down about their feelings on a medium that pretty much disrespects women and stereotypes them into a narrow standard of attraction.

 

 

 

 

We are very aware how easily swayed men are by looks. To be understanding about how much men like thevisual and the visually attractive and condemn women for in turn wanting to be beautiful to their SO, is not fair. There are certain things each person does in a relationship that either makes their partner feel more secure in the relationship, or more insecure. Sometimes porn makes a woman feel insecure in her spot in his life. I believe this to be perfectly natural considering the nature of what porn is. Porn is all about the visually appealing. Men love it. Men defend it. And yet wome nare expected to be so much more highly evolved and secure in themselves while men pander and love a world that showcases a very narrow and stereotypical idea of female beauty? come on, that isn't fair.

 

And yes, women have body issues. When we see what we look in the mirror, compared to the images that men feed off of and love, we see the different in our bodies compared to the idealized version that men wish was true. If you don't think that isn't going to cause some amount of insecurity, questions and negative body image, you are being unrealistic.

 

 

Then you can understand how a man's sexual neediness and desire to seek out porn in turn can easily turn off a woman. Neither sex likes when the other sex subcumbs to their most basic and selfish desires. men do not like when women act what they consider over emotional, and women do not like when men pander to their sexual whims. That is the 100% truth. I am more the willing to curb my emotions and emotional neediness if I felt men in turn were willing to do the same when it came to their sexuality. yet alot of men complain about women's emotions and expect women to have a better handle on them then they handle their sexual neediness. It's not any more attracitive to women when men are sexual needy and weak, catering to their desirse any more then when you think women are emotionally needy and week.

 

 

I suggest most men get their own confidence as well. there is something in porn that validate men and their seuxality. You could easily argue that the way men hold onto porn is about their own sexual insecurity. And that is just as unattractive to women as well. Perhaps men also need to get some confidence in themselves. And confidence enough that putting down the porn to favor of their loved one makes them no less a man, but a bigger and better man that more women would have a greater respect for.

 

I would also like to committ that if men didn't consider big breasted 25 year olds the epitome of female beauty over confidence, we would be seeing more movies with confident women then we would big breated 25 year old ones. The irnoy is men expect women to be more highly evovled then them and surpass the stereotypes to feel better about themselves while men pander to those exact same stereotypes and put them on pedestals of female beauty. the irnoy never ceases to amaze me.

 

I still say you are playing victim and it doesn't bode well for you because no one is going to apologize to you because you are insecure or you don't have big boobs, take that up with your genetics. That is what you want, you want to be kowtowed to and placated for your own internal inadequacies and it's not going to happen my dear. You are a big girl, not a 12 year old so it's time to grow up and grow a pair as they say, no one owes you ****. Men don't owe you compassion because you don't have the body of a pornstar and I don't know why you would even want compassion for that. You have what you were blessed with, yes blessed with, see it as that and stop looking over the fence envying what you deem as better. There is that confidence thing right there. Yes 25 year old big breasted women are attractive and men flock to them, so freaking what??? are you going to jump off a bridge because you are not 25 and big breasted??? Are you going to sue somebody because men don't flock to you the same way? Why is that so important to you? that you are not seen as a piece of meat? who do you want that so desperately? Because I've read your posts and this vehement opposition to any kind of porn use is just really obsessive and disturbing.

 

As long as you keep looking to others to validate you, especially men, you will keep being disappointed and keep feeling like you don't measure up. Confidence comes from within, no matter how pretty people tell you you are each day.

 

 

Women have body issues, men have body issues, we ALL have body issues, welcome to life, get use to it. I'm fine with mine, no matter how imperfect it is. Because you are not ok with yours, instead of you taking responsibility to either change it or make yourself ok with it, you are looking to others, in this case, men to make feel ok about yourself. Not all women do that, that is where you are wrong and that is why you don't get support among women. Insecurity is YOUR issue, body image problems is YOUR issue, Emotional neediness is YOUR issue, don't paint all women with the same brush and then tell them they are not being honest with themselves when they say that they genuinely don't have a problem with porn. That's egostitical on your part. Wanting so desperately for someone to share your point of view that you will tell them what THEY THINK???

 

Getting some confidence doesn't make you evolved as a person, you are not doing anything special and you don't get a cookie for it so that whole argument about expecting women to be more evolved by not being whiny about bs is just moot. You are not being evolved by doing something you are suppose to be doing anyway.

 

How many people sit there and compare what they look like to what pornstars look like? you must have a lot of time on your hands my dear to be doing that. Of all things to keep one's mind occupied with.

 

If you have been burned by porn usage, that is understandable to be bitter and opposed to it but please speak for yourself and not for all women. I'm not going to argue that you change your mind, to each his own. What irks me is the "women this and men that" as if your feelings is universal.

 

But again though bitterness has its limits. Using one life experience to judge everything else makes you weak, insecure and a victim. People rise above challenges and pain, that is what makes a human being admirable not one who will just sit there and keep whining about how unfair life is that she doesn't look as good as a pornstar. It's so ludicrous and just plain childish. ugh!

 

I'm normally a lurker on these porn posts but dang.

[Jersey Shortie]

I still say you are playing victim and it doesn't bode well for you because no one is going to apologize to you because you are insecure or you don't have big boobs.........,

 

The fact that you want to reduce the whole argument to nothing but insecurity is the crucial mistake in your postings. I am not looking for anyone to "apologize" to me. I think alot of the points I make are infact quite good. I don't and never have hide the fact that some of my issues with porn is about insecurty. That however isn't the only issue when it comes to this topic.

 

You mention that it's time for me to grow up and I would say that it's time for men to grow up. Considering that most porn is an adocent fantasy world that they start when the are 13 and continue into old age, you could easily argue that it's time for men to grow up. But men never seem to want to grow up and out of their porn. And to be honest, the amount that is around today, and the kind that is out there is rather scarey.

 

Do I want to be a piece of meat? No, never said I did. However, all women want to feel and be beautiful. That is a given. When you try very hard to fight certain stereotypes of beauty, but the men in your life buy into those same stereotypes, you have a recipe for something that just isn't going to work. Men and women should be helping each other. NOt being their own islands only out for their own needs. If women were exploiting men for their natural insecutires and calling men names in the process, I think we would have a different story here.

[vonerik012]

Well, women use their sex appeal on a daily basis...This is how many get ahead in life.

 

If there was no porn, and if women wore burkas, perhaps it would be more of a fair society.

 

Yes men look at porn. Women use their body and sex to get ahead..

[Mr. Lucky]

gross, male pornstars are the most unattractive men their are, just because they have big dicks which are usually veiny and crooked

Sounds like you've conducted quite the little survey !!!

 

Mr. Lucky

[Jersey Shortie]

Yes men look at porn. Women use their body and sex to get ahead..

 

Keep that attitude up and all you ever will be doing is looking at porn.