I have had ENOUGH!

[kjl933]

Kj, that's inappropriate. If you'd like I can find a post about a fat guy who is attracted to a beautiful woman but because she wont return the feelings he's all bitter.

 

It is not inappropriate at all. PA is from Australia and her positions are probably very well based on what she is surrounded with. Anyone's would be. If someone is raised in an environment where men only find skinny, athletic women attractive, doesn't it stand to reason that a woman in that atmosphere might accept that position as her own? I know I would.

 

I am saying that we might have a cultural clash here more than anything. Right or wrong, the US may be more tolerant of obesity, than down under.

 

But, I will tell you, that if the US women only found men with blonde hair attractive and the rest repulsive, I would have an appointment at the salon.

 

It is only natural to have the desire to be accepted. I merely stated that Noos comment in the other post was an "aha" moment regarding this one.

[Buttaflyy]

yeah so if I called you a skinny minny or a tubby bubby you would not be insulted

 

I think I said that I wasn't insulted by being called skinny minny. This to me implies a joke or if you don't know me (and are being malicious), implies jealousy in my eyes because, we all know that being called skinny these days are exceptable .

 

Tubby... Hmmmm... Never had that one as I've never been there, but I might find offense to that comment if I was overweight. It's just not so cool to be overweight as this post shows me. But then again, I've got pretty thick skin so I may just dust the comment off my shoulder.

[hotgurl]

yep that is reality. Many corps are having the weight loss contests now with big prizes for the winners.

 

My friend tried to apply for the Reserves. They told her to lose 50 pounds than come back and reapply.

[lindya]

I am saying that we might have a cultural clash here more than anything. Right or wrong, the US may be more tolerant of obesity, than down under.

 

Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right; greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms, greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge — has marked the upward surge of mankind and greed, you mark my words — will save not only Teldar Paper but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.

 

We, the under-signed, agree

McDonalds

Burger King

Wendy's

Tim Horton's

KFC

Krispy Kreme Doughnuts

Baskin & Robbins

etc etc

 

$110 billion spent on fast food in the US in 2000, compared to $6 billion in 1970.

 

Another quote (from Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser)

 

The impact of fast food on the nation's children is enormous. Fast food is heavily marketed to children and prepared by people who are barely older than children. This is an industry that both feeds and feeds off the young. Unfortunately, fast food has been carefully designed to taste good. That is the main reason people buy it. It is also inexpensive and convenient. But the value meals, 2-for-l deals, and free refills of soda give a distorted sense of how much fast food actually costs. The real price never appears on the menu.

 

Unfortunately, too many consider the fast food industry proof of the nation's great economic vitality, a beloved American institution that appeals to millions overseas who admire our way of life. Indeed, the values, the culture, and the industrial arrangements of our fast food nation are now being exported to the rest of the world.

[dgiirl]

You guys both got it right, I thought crzygrl was saying that the skinny minny comment was insulting. It is as dggirl said, insulting when you use curse or derrogatory words.

 

To each his own. I dont think it's insulting only when you use curse words, but curse words can change the tone and make it worse.

 

As a slim woman, I'm tired of people commenting on my weight. I hear it more frequently when I'm down in the states. Just my last trip, I was introduced to some people and when told we were going to go out for dinner in a few minutes, they all told my friend to "quick, feed the poor girl, she's starving to death." I just met them and this was their response. I'm sure they meant well, but it's still hurtful.

 

JK, you might be right about it being a culture difference. From my own personal experience, it seems the average person in the states seem really heavy. Abnormally heavy. And I personally believe it's what people eat and the portion sizing. I can get a huge cinnamon bun that both my exh and I had to share because it was so large for a buck. I think american people are so use to large portions that they simply eat all of it without thinking. Also, the amount of soda everyone drinks, you'd think it was water. I was at a resturant and the waitress asked if I'd like a refill, and the glass was not even a 10th empty, i had just sat down. I politely declined, and drank the soda throughout my dinner. She then came with the bill and a FULL soda at the end of the dinner. I did not want another soda, and there's no way I'm going to chug down a full soda right at the end of my dinner. What a complete waste and I felt bad for leaving it. I do not like to waste food. I personally find in the states that the only tasty food is the really crappy food. Steak, burgers and fries, eggs and bacon, all that stuff is yummy in the states, but a salad? They put iceberg lettuce with cucumbers in front of you and call that a salad. You order pancakes with fruit and you get this weird strawberry jelly concoction with no real fruit. Everything's loaded with butter or sugar and usually both, and fried. I felt tremendously sick from my last vacation to the states. I am not use to so much butter. Sadly, where I live, it's not much better, and I predict we will follow like we always do. The obesity rate is rising here too, but thankfully we have our neighbours to show us what we could look like if we dont change, and i think people are starting to change.

[CrushedOrgans]

why do these bitches think it's ok to bitch at me about smoking? But it's not ok to bitch at a morbidly obese person ordering 2 value meals at burger king.

 

It's the same freaking thing.

 

 

see, i don't think it's the same thing at all. your smoke affects someone's health and can possibly kill them. eating a cheeseburger near someone is not going to do that. no one needs to smoke. people need to eat food, regardless of the amount. i think several people have said this before me.

 

besides, this was just two girls right? how do you know they DON'T think it's okay to bitch at morbidly obese people eating fast food? maybe they do. they don't represent all of society, and maybe they're just rude girls.

 

however, i still don't think it's normal for anyone to bitch at someone else for something like that. maybe they could have asked you politely to move, or they could have moved their damn selves. in any case, i feel if someone is doing something you don't like, get away from it. you can't expect other people who don't know you to give a shyt about your feelings, but they can still act like human beings...or should be able to.

 

and if someone is watching someone else buy all this unhealthy fast food and being critical of them, how are they seeing them do this if they're not there too? unless they've parked themselves at the drive-thru with a megaphone to moo at the fatties. which wouldn't surprise me. if they haven't, then they're in there ordering that same kind food, looking at other people and saying "i'm not fat so i'm healthy and i can have this, but you're fat so you must be unhealthy and you can't." bullshyt.

 

as other people have said, again several times, everything in this world causes unnecessary expenses. 1 billion dollars is a lot of money, but probably not any more or less than is spent on other preventable or treatable diseases, like STD's and drug problems and other unnecessary crap. i'm not an LS research-and-linker but maybe someone else will or already has. and then maybe someone else will find it to disprove it, whatever. but in any case the money end of it sucks, but it's not really all that valid a reason to ridicule and embarrass someone.

 

and as for the "skinny minny" and "fat cow" debate, neither is appropriate based on principal, but obviously the latter is more of an insult. it's the like different between calling someone a "rich bitch" and a "poor whore." they both might be insults, but come on, who you do think is hurt more by that?

[a4a]

and as for the "skinny minny" and "fat cow" debate, neither is appropriate based on principal, but obviously the latter is more of an insult. it's the like different betweeb calling someone a "rich bitch" and a "poor whore." they both might be insults, but come on, who you do think is hurt more by that?

 

 

well if the fat person is hurt by tubby wubby then they obviously don't like being fat right?

 

just like a very thin person is upset by being thin and called a skinny minny...thinks they are too skinny........

 

But hey I guess it is fair for me to run about calling people tubby when they make comments about me being as wide as their little finger......

 

So fat people get off my back for being skinny ok :lmao: I am slim and beautiful because that is how I was made.... thin and proud of it!

[CrushedOrgans]

well if the fat person is hurt by tubby wubby then they obviously don't like being fat right?

 

just like a very thin person is upset by being thin and called a skinny minny...thinks they are too skinny........

 

But hey I guess it is fair for me to run about calling people tubby when they make comments about me being as wide as their little finger......

 

So fat people get off my back for being skinny ok :lmao: I am slim and beautiful because that is how I was made.... thin and proud of it!

 

i still just don't agree, i'm sorry. i know we're supposed to be pc and all things being equal and stuff, but sometimes there is a stereotype for a reason...people would generally prefer to be thin if they could, even if they aren't trying to be, so being called some kind of thin is less of an insult.

 

keep in mind for some people, those kinds of things, like skinny minny, "you need to eat something", "you turn sideways and disappear" and the like, are seen as compliments in some settings. i don't know any setting wherein an overweight person would ever find "fat cow" or "tubby wubby" anything but grossly insulting. i think some people here are pulling the "you're not the only ones who get insulted, we do too" but it's more of a principal than anything else.

 

and now i can't tell if your post was serious or not...

[Buttaflyy]

Question...

 

Does anyone really think that it's ok to walk up to a stranger and very sweetly say, "you probably shouldn't go into that McDonald's. You're a tad over weight (or obese if you choose to say) and you are teaching those two little girls hanging onto your arms some really bad eating habits. You don't want them to be like you do you? Why don't you walk on over to the Organic Market across the street instead?"

 

This is a serious question. Does anyone think this is acceptible? Note that for the sake of argument there are no malicious words or insults included in the phrase.

[CrushedOrgans]

Question...

 

Does anyone really think that it's ok to walk up to a stranger and very sweetly say, "you probably shouldn't go into that McDonald's. You're a tad over weight (or obese if you choose to say) and you are teaching those two little girls hanging onto your arms some really bad eating habits. You don't want them to be like you do you? Why don't you walk on over to the Organic Market across the street instead?"

 

This is a serious question. Does anyone think this is acceptible? Note that for the sake of argument there are no malicious words or insults included in the phrase.

 

no, it is not acceptable. a total stranger will not see that as a courtesy, no matter how sugary-sweet you try to coat it. and i would argue that someone who you know wouldn't take very kindly to it either, but at least then you would have a better reason to say something, and maybe you would say it a little differently even then. a stranger's food (and many other kinds of) business is not anyone else's business.

 

i also believe "never judge a book by it's cover" applies to people. maybe the two girls with the overweight kids aren't even her kids and she has them out for a treat. maybe the overweight person has problems i don't know about, like thyroid problems or whatever, or maybe they just beat a life-threatening disease and are living for the moment from now on. the point is, i don't know the story, and i am not going to assume i know what's best for someone i know nothing about other than i have watched in 60 seconds.

 

now, if i was watching a stranger beat a child in the middle of the street, hell yes, i would speak...but in that case i can see what's going on and know it's not right and know that i should do something about it. but i am not about to march over to someone and grab the food out of their hands with a holier-than-thou, "uh-uh, not for you!"

 

try telling someone "put on a coat!" when they're out in the cold in winter in a t-shirt. they don't care what you think about their lack of coat. they may not be insulted, but certainly they will wonder why you don't have enough of a life that you have to worry about what they're doing. and they're not going to put on a coat just because you suggested it.

[a4a]

well interestingly enough I popped two beasty men who are both chunks for making fun of a woman in a restaurant..... they were eating with my H and I....... aquaintances.

 

they were making comments about how fat she was and both of them are bald, fat, and losers...... so in the womans defense I believe I said something like:

 

"hey cheesesteak, you don't have room to talk, she probably is sitting around with her friends right now talking about your bald, bug eyed fat, asses! "

 

:lmao:

 

but as the above as an example I see fat people cutting down fat people because they are fat.......wtf?

[kjl933]

Nor does any stranger appreciate someone butting in telling them to stop treating their kids like crap. I also do not think most people woudl approach a stranger and extoll the virtues of not smoking on them. Now if someone lit up in an elevator--perhaps. Or in LA of course!

[lindya]

Question...

 

Does anyone really think that it's ok to walk up to a stranger and very sweetly say, "you probably shouldn't go into that McDonald's. You're a tad over weight (or obese if you choose to say) and you are teaching those two little girls hanging onto your arms some really bad eating habits. You don't want them to be like you do you? Why don't you walk on over to the Organic Market across the street instead?"

 

This is a serious question. Does anyone think this is acceptible? Note that for the sake of argument there are no malicious words or insults included in the phrase.

 

No, not acceptable. On the other hand, if there was a public health advert on tv or a documentary that was giving out exactly the same message, I think that would be seen as fine.

 

I suppose the difference is that a broadcasted message is general to everyone, whereas picking on a specific person (in front of their children, no less) is far too personalised and therefore offensive.

[Buttaflyy]

Nor does any stranger appreciate someone butting in telling them to stop treating their kids like crap. I also do not think most people woudl approach a stranger and extoll the virtues of not smoking on them. Now if someone lit up in an elevator--perhaps. Or in LA of course!

 

The smoking thing...I don't know about everywhere else, but it's illegal to smoke pretty much ANYWHERE in NY. You even have to move several feet away from some buildings OUTSIDE. I constantly have ppl cough when they pass me and glare at me as if I blew smoke up their nostrils. A lady on an elevator at work started going off with another non smoker about how only the stupid ppl in the office smoke. I always get the comments, from co-workers and strangers alike about the damage I'm doing to my body. It does happen.

[blind_otter]

see, i don't think it's the same thing at all. your smoke affects someone's health and can possibly kill them. eating a cheeseburger near someone is not going to do that. no one needs to smoke. people need to eat food, regardless of the amount. i think several people have said this before me.

 

And I listed a number of sources to check to see the evidence that obesity really DOES affect more than just the fat person.

[crazy_grl]

I think I said that I wasn't insulted by being called skinny minny. This to me implies a joke or if you don't know me (and are being malicious), implies jealousy in my eyes because, we all know that being called skinny these days are exceptable .

 

This was sort of my point. Because society sees thin as desirable, we consider it okay to talk down about thin people. But there are people who are just as insecure about being thin as heavy people are about their weight. Some have even posted on this thread. Those kinds of comments hurt their feelings and make them feel worse about their weight. It doesn't matter to what degree it's hurtful. It's still hurtful.

 

And while I think you're right that often a person who speaks negatively about being thin is jealous or bitter, there are still people who are sensitive to those types of comments.

 

While the comment itself doesn't personally bother me, I just find it hypocritical of someone to criiticize another when they're not being all that considerate with their own words. I just think if a person is going to criticize, they should think about what they're saying as well. And maybe I'm confusing pricillia with someone else, but it seemed like she was criticizing pretty heavily.

 

 

Also, something dgiirl brought up made me think about this: it's socially acceptable to tell a thin person that they're starving and need to eat, but not to tell a heavy person that they need to put down the cheeseburger. Why? Is it because we think all sknny people are happy they way they are? Because they haven't ever been made fun of? Because we think being thin is good and mocking someone about it couldn't possibly hurt their feelings?

[Buttaflyy]

This was sort of my point. Because society sees thin as desirable, we consider it okay to talk down about thin people. But there are people who are just as insecure about being thin as heavy people are about their weight. Some have even posted on this thread. Those kinds of comments hurt their feelings and make them feel worse about their weight. It doesn't matter to what degree it's hurtful. It's still hurtful.

 

And while I think you're right that often a person who speaks negatively about being thin is jealous or bitter, there are still people who are sensitive to those types of comments.

 

While the comment itself doesn't personally bother me, I just find it hypocritical of someone to criiticize another when they're not being all that considerate with their own words. I just think if a person is going to criticize, they should think about what they're saying as well. And maybe I'm confusing pricillia with someone else, but it seemed like she was criticizing pretty heavily.

 

 

Also, something dgiirl brought up made me think about this: it's socially acceptable to tell a thin person that they're starving and need to eat, but not to tell a heavy person that they need to put down the cheeseburger. Why? Is it because we think all sknny people are happy they way they are? Because they haven't ever been made fun of? Because we think being thin is good and mocking someone about it couldn't possibly hurt their feelings?

 

Point taken crazy_grl. My sister is also very thin and I know how those comments affect her. She's actually "model thin" but she's not proud about it. When people make comments about her weight, complimentary or otherwise, it does hurt her feelings. I think it's wrong to comment about the way anyone looks period.

[CrushedOrgans]

And I listed a number of sources to check to see the evidence that obesity really DOES affect more than just the fat person.

 

 

okay. i think i made other points in my superlong post that address how i felt about it that, too.

[pricillia]

This isn't much different than someone calling a heavy person a fat cow.

 

I find it pretty hypocritical of you to talk that way when there have already been people posting on this very thread about how hurtful it is that people taunt them about being too skinny while at the same time you criticize someone else for the words they use when referring to heavy people.

 

 

Well I am sorry that you took it the wrong way, I don't judge anyone on weight, I was merely stating that everyone is different, everyone has a different body type. I was not trying to insult people who weigh less then myself, that was not my intention so please don't make it about that. I was not taunting anyone, just saying that not everyone is skinny that there are different body types, so be it.

[pricillia]

Quote: Crazy Girl

While the comment itself doesn't personally bother me, I just find it hypocritical of someone to criiticize another when they're not being all that considerate with their own words. I just think if a person is going to criticize, they should think about what they're saying as well. And maybe I'm confusingpricillia with someone else, but it seemed like she was criticizing pretty heavily.

 

 

Maybe you are confusing me with someone else, I don't think that I have cirticized here I was talking about myself, no one else, just saying that I am curvy and I like it. I am who I am, kind of accepting the fact that I will never be what society accepts as skinny, should have left the minny out of it.

[blind_otter]

Well obviously it all comes down to, after 22 pages of random ranting....you can and should be overweight if you want to, and no one should say anything about it.

[pricillia]

Well obviously it all comes down to, after 22 pages of random ranting....you can and should be overweight if you want to, and no one should say anything about it.

 

 

ahhh but I am not over weight, that is the issue, maybe to some people I would be considered, Could I afford to loose a few sure, but I am not controling about it, I have curves, men who are attracted to me tell me I am voluptuious, works for me.

[Buttaflyy]

Well obviously it all comes down to, after 22 pages of random ranting....you can and should be overweight if you want to, and no one should say anything about it.

 

I think it's more like this...you can be overweight if you want to, and no one should say anything about it.

[burning 4 revenge]

I think it's more like this...you can be overweight if you want to, and no one should say anything about it.

 

I agree, but if men, or women are put off by weight issues sexually, no-one should accuse them of being shallow either.

[Buttaflyy]

I agree, but if men, or women are put off by weight issues sexually, no-one should accuse them of being shallow either.

 

Ummm, I guess not but thats another topic.