Happy Lemming Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Maybe candidate #1 proposed a "counter-offer" to the original offer. HR & Management may be mulling that counter offer over or even proposing a "counter-counter offer" to candidate #1. I agree with Art_Critic, I think your husband is on the back burner, and they are leaving him there while they negotiate with candidate #1. Just a thought.... Link to post Share on other sites
UpwardForward Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 If he is this close, and he doesn't get the job - they may have another opening for him, shortly. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 Maybe candidate #1 proposed a "counter-offer" to the original offer. HR & Management may be mulling that counter offer over or even proposing a "counter-counter offer" to candidate #1. I agree with Art_Critic, I think your husband is on the back burner, and they are leaving him there while they negotiate with candidate #1. Just a thought.... Don't you think they'd inform him that someone else was first if that's the case? That's pretty crappy of them to keep him hanging on if he wasn't, especially since the manager was totally psyched to hire him. And like I said, it's a huge university so there's a lot of hoops to jump through. Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Lemming Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Don't you think they'd inform him that someone else was first if that's the case? No, they have no allegiance to your husband. He is not an employee, only a candidate. They certainly don't want your husband to know what "terms, conditions & salary" they are communicating with candidate #1. That's pretty crappy of them to keep him hanging on if he wasn't, especially since the manager was totally psyched to hire him. Business is Business, its not personal. All employers want is the best person for the job, and at the lowest price, possible. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Lemming Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Did your husband send a "thank you" letter for the interview?? If not, do so... If he has, there is nothing else left to do. I wouldn't bug them too much, they may start to think something is "hinky". 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Eternal Sunshine Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Some companies are terribly slow with offer letters. Still, the longest it ever took for me was about 2 weeks since the verbal offer, but that included reference checks, medical check and full background/academic check. By the time I received the offer, it was unconditional. However, HR also had a glitch in their computer system but they were calling me every day to update me on the situation. It seems that your H is #2. Not much you can do about it but wait and hope that #1 doesn't pan out. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 He deserves no info. Sit back and wait. He was told it could be a month. What is so hard about waiting to hear back? It's a process... Yeah he was told it would be a month, but now twice she has told him certain days he would hear back with an offer and then those pass. Well if the hiring manager would stop sending emails saying that he should hear by such and such a date and the those dates pass and nothing it probably wouldn't be AS bad. She should have just told him it would be a month and not keep getting his hopes up. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 Did your husband send a "thank you" letter for the interview?? If not, do so... If he has, there is nothing else left to do. I wouldn't bug them too much, they may start to think something is "hinky". Oh yes! He sent thank you's after both interviews...within less than 2 hours after the interview. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 No, they have no allegiance to your husband. He is not an employee, only a candidate. They certainly don't want your husband to know what "terms, conditions & salary" they are communicating with candidate #1. Business is Business, its not personal. All employers want is the best person for the job, and at the lowest price, possible. Well if they wanted him at the lowest price possible then why did the hiring manager ask him to add more key words to his resume that aligned with the job ad before she handed it off to HR so that he could get a better salary?? Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Lemming Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Oh yes! He sent thank you's after both interviews...within less than 2 hours after the interview. Then just stay in a holding pattern... I remember I went on a "first" interview for one job and didn't hear back from them. I wrote it off and took another job. Just over a month later, they called me up, brought me in for a second interview and presented me with a GREAT offer and I accepted it. I gave notice to the job I had just accepted, they weren't happy about it, gave me some grief, but I had to look out for me. I have no idea what happened during that month or so. I guess they hired someone else and he/she didn't work out, who knows. It is odd how things play out with jobs & employment. Relax and tell your husband to relax. You've done all you can do, so just stay in that holding pattern and wait. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Lemming Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Well if they wanted him at the lowest price possible then why did the hiring manager ask him to add more key words to his resume that aligned with the job ad before she handed it off to HR so that he could get a better salary?? Maybe the hiring manager had to present 2-3 candidates to upper management & HR. The Hiring manager may have candidate #1 in mind, but still had to fill some "quota" of candidates to HR and upper management. Just a guess, though. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 Well he's supposed to get that "updated status" email from the manager today. We'll see if that happens. If it does, it will probably just say "HR is still working on things. Expect to hear something next week". Link to post Share on other sites
GemmaUK Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Offers can go to anyone and can be rescinded, same as acceptances can also be rescinded. Only, after signing a contract is the offer real but even then, companies have probationary periods for use by the company and the employee where the notice period is at a minimum if there is a need to extend the probationary period or let the employee go, or the employee can extend the probationary period or choose to go. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted July 1, 2018 Author Share Posted July 1, 2018 Offers can go to anyone and can be rescinded, same as acceptances can also be rescinded. Only, after signing a contract is the offer real but even then, companies have probationary periods for use by the company and the employee where the notice period is at a minimum if there is a need to extend the probationary period or let the employee go, or the employee can extend the probationary period or choose to go. But what is the sense in putting out offers to two people at the same time? What if they both accept? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted July 1, 2018 Author Share Posted July 1, 2018 Nope, no updated status came on Friday. Arrgh!! Why say it if she isn't going to follow through? Even just a "Not sure where things are at" status if nothing else. He didn't contact her at all because he's just going to wait it out. ell if anything if he for some reason doesn't get the job, they send out an automatic email saying "not selected" so he hasn't gotten that yet either. Link to post Share on other sites
GemmaUK Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 But what is the sense in putting out offers to two people at the same time? What if they both accept? An offer can always be rescinded You can find 3 people great for a job, send offers, two may accept, you pick the one you prefer. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 Yup! He's SO sure this salary offer is coming any day as the hiring manager has told him twice now that the offer is close and he should be hearing from her on a certain day and then that day passes and it doesn't come. The latest with her telling him last Tuesday that she missed a step in the admin process and she'd update the status with him before the weekend, which never happened. He hasn't gone into work for 5 days straight because he's so tired of working there and doesn't get the respect he deserves and comes stomping home early certain days when people piss him off which then lead him to not going in for 5 days. He went like clockwork when he was waiting for reference checks to be done by this hiring manager. When those came back as "Awesome reference checks and I'm going to request they hire you" that's when he didn't care if he went in or not. Now he tells me he's just going to go in and get his check tomorrow and quit. Keep in mind this check is all he has for money and he is HOPING there will be enough on this check to cover HIS bills seeing as how there will be 5 days without pay on this one. Not OUR bills, but HIS bills of credit card debt and bike and student loans. Meanwhile I pay all the household expenses as I usually do. He doesn't seem to find any issue with not working for however long and having me pay for everything, even his own bills because he "just can't go into that job anymore". He hasn't even offered to get a part time job delivering pizzas or something to help out. I've told him that this job may not come through for whatever reason. They may cancel it, or rescind it due to some background check, or maybe someone better came along. Noooooooo. He doesn't want to hear me say that because it upsets him and then it's my fault for making him doubt himself. Boy won't it be a rude awakening if that DOES happen and he is unemployed! Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Seems like he's not the only one who never learns from past experience.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 Seems like he's not the only one who never learns from past experience.... Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Who could you POSSIBLY be talking about????!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Lemming Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 WOW!! That is really scary (quitting a job, before the offer comes through) I can empathize, I've had really crappy jobs, but I didn't leave until I had the new job offer in hand. There was one job, I hated so much, that I didn't give two weeks notice and jumped into the new job the day after I received the offer, but I had only been working there a month. Can your husband "temp"?? I remember "temping" for one agency, while I looked for a new job?? "Temping" wasn't great, but it did "keep the wolf away from the door"... This is one of those "Don't count your chickens before they hatch" moments. I guess all you can do is say a little prayer that he got the new job and the offer is forthcoming. Fingers crossed!! Link to post Share on other sites
UpwardForward Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 As far as the 'respect' factor. I have always found it was more likely to have respect as an established experienced employee, than someone just coming onto the job site. In other words: What does he think it's going to be like on a new job .. instant respect? I had thought his chances of getting this new job, were high .. Excepting for this latest development of the company's failure to keep him informed in a timely/promised manner. Perhaps he was determined to quit the existing job, regardless. And thought it would be easier, with your thinking there could be a replacement job. With you already paying the important bills, I would think the possibility of being the only bread-winner, could be a real test. Do you think he is going through a mid-life crisis? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 WOW!! That is really scary (quitting a job, before the offer comes through) I can empathize, I've had really crappy jobs, but I didn't leave until I had the new job offer in hand. There was one job, I hated so much, that I didn't give two weeks notice and jumped into the new job the day after I received the offer, but I had only been working there a month. Can your husband "temp"?? I remember "temping" for one agency, while I looked for a new job?? "Temping" wasn't great, but it did "keep the wolf away from the door"... This is one of those "Don't count your chickens before they hatch" moments. I guess all you can do is say a little prayer that he got the new job and the offer is forthcoming. Fingers crossed!! Oh he could "temp" doing a lot of things. He could deliver pizzas as I said to fill the void until he gets hired on (IF he gets hired on) but he doesn't see the use in doing that because he figures when he does get the notice of the job they'll want him to start within 2 weeks. Who knows. They may not want him to start until November! Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 As far as the 'respect' factor. I have always found it was more likely to have respect as an established experienced employee, than someone just coming onto the job site. In other words: What does he think it's going to be like on a new job .. instant respect? I had thought his chances of getting this new job, were high .. Excepting for this latest development of the company's failure to keep him informed in a timely/promised manner. Perhaps he was determined to quit the existing job, regardless. And thought it would be easier, with your thinking there could be a replacement job. With you already paying the important bills, I would think the possibility of being the only bread-winner, could be a real test. Do you think he is going through a mid-life crisis? Well I know he has wanted to quit this job for a few months. He said that if he didn't get this one he'd get something else. But the fact that he can't suck it up for a few weeks or at least until an offer comes through, really irritates me. He's been going through a mid life crisis for the past 14 years I've known him! Always looking for a better job, better pay, better place to live, better everything. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Lemming Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Oh he could "temp" doing a lot of things Oh... I meant can he "temp" in his field?? There is a "care free" feeling about temping, less stress, no feelings of commitment to an employer, no worries if you offend a co-worker by accident and less blame... "Hey, I'm only a temp" Do you think he would like that?? That "care-free" feeling can be more relaxing than a permanent job. They may not want him to start until November! OMG!! That could be really bad considering it is the beginning of July. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Mapper71 Posted July 2, 2018 Author Share Posted July 2, 2018 Oh... I meant can he "temp" in his field?? There is a "care free" feeling about temping, less stress, no feelings of commitment to an employer, no worries if you offend a co-worker by accident and less blame... "Hey, I'm only a temp" Do you think he would like that?? That "care-free" feeling can be more relaxing than a permanent job. OMG!! That could be really bad considering it is the beginning of July. Well I just threw out there that they might not want him until Nov. THey might want him to start immediately too. Who knows! Quite honestly, he could probably quit his current job and go back there in a few weeks ad ask for it back because they've fired people several times there and bring them back because they need staff. One guy quit and walked out because he didn't want to work Sunday's and he was back working there in 6 weeks. Another guy who H works with has been fired a couple of times and is back there now. Of course, I'm sure he wouldn't go so low as to go back there though. Link to post Share on other sites
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