Neurosurgeon Describes Heaven He Saw While in Coma

[veggirl]

There was a series that looked at NDE experiences that catalogued people who also went to hell. I have not seen the episode linked below but I did watch the one with the guy who was the victim of a drive by who says he went to hell.

 

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Take care,

Eve x

 

ahhh. Will have to check that out.

[mercy]

This is my favorite part of his story -

 

He claims to have been escorted by an unknown female companion and says he communicated with these beings through a method of correspondence that transcended language. Alexander says the messages he received from those beings loosely translated as:

 

 

"You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever."

"You have nothing to fear."

"There is nothing you can do wrong."

 

 

I can't wait to see Jesus!

[M30USA]

This is my favorite part of his story -

 

He claims to have been escorted by an unknown female companion and says he communicated with these beings through a method of correspondence that transcended language. Alexander says the messages he received from those beings loosely translated as:

 

 

"You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever."

"You have nothing to fear."

"There is nothing you can do wrong."

 

 

I can't wait to see Jesus!

 

Factors/possibilities to consider:

 

1) Angels are described as beautiful beings in the Bible. However, even the fallen angels of Satan are beautiful (in appearance). In fact, Satan is a "cherub" angel in the Bible and his appearance--if one were to see him--would be so incredibly beautiful that it borders on terrifying.

 

2) If this man is NOT a believer in Christ (which I don't pretend to know one way or the other), then there is no way, biblically speaking, that angels of the Lord would say such a thing. If this were the case, they would tell him to repent or prepare his heart for Christ.

 

3) If this man IS a believer, then they possibly were angels of the Lord.

 

4) The fact that he PERCEIVED these beings to be female doesn't mean that they ARE. It's possible that the general trait of beauty in angels was mistaken by him as being a female.

Edited October 25, 2012 by M30USA

[mercy]

Factors/possibilities to consider:

 

1) Angels are described as beautiful beings in the Bible. However, even the fallen angels of Satan are beautiful (in appearance). In fact, Satan is a "cherub" angel in the Bible and his appearance--if one were to see him--would be so incredibly beautiful that it borders on terrifying.

 

2) If this man is NOT a believer in Christ (which I don't pretend to know one way or the other), then there is no way, biblically speaking, that angels of the Lord would say such a thing. If this were the case, they would tell him to repent or prepare his heart for Christ.

 

3) If this man IS a believer, then they possibly were angels of the Lord.

 

4) The fact that he PERCEIVED these beings to be female doesn't mean that they ARE. It's possible that the general trait of beauty in angels was mistaken by him as being a female.

 

 

And while Alexander says he's long called himself a Christian, he never held deeply religious beliefs or a pronounced faith in the afterlife. But after a week in a coma during the fall of 2008, during which his neocortex ceased to function, Alexander claims he experienced a life-changing visit to the afterlife, specifically heaven.

 

 

 

 

Heaven is real, says neurosurgeon who claims to have visited the afterlife | The Sideshow - Yahoo! News

[pie2]

 

A sound, huge and booming like a glorious chant, came down from above, and I wondered if the winged beings were producing it. Again, thinking about it later, it occurred to me that the joy of these creatures, as they soared along, was such that they had to make this noise—that if the joy didn’t come out of them this way then they would simply not otherwise be able to contain it. The sound was palpable and almost material, like a rain that you can feel on your skin but doesn’t get you wet.

 

Seeing and hearing were not separate in this place where I now was. I could hear the visual beauty of the silvery bodies of those scintillating beings above, and I could see the surging, joyful perfection of what they sang. It seemed that you could not look at or listen to anything in this world without becoming a part of it—without joining with it in some mysterious way. Again, from my present perspective, I would suggest that you couldn’t look at anything in that world at all, for the word “at” itself implies a separation that did not exist there. Everything was distinct, yet everything was also a part of everything else, like the rich and intermingled designs on a Persian carpet ... or a butterfly’s wing.

 

Although I still had little language function, at least as we think of it on earth, I began wordlessly putting questions to this wind, and to the divine being that I sensed at work behind or within it.

 

Where is this place?

 

Who am I?

 

Why am I here?

 

Each time I silently put one of these questions out, the answer came instantly in an explosion of light, color, love, and beauty that blew through me like a crashing wave. What was important about these blasts was that they didn’t simply silence my questions by overwhelming them. They answered them, but in a way that bypassed language. Thoughts entered me directly. But it wasn’t thought like we experience on earth. It wasn’t vague, immaterial, or abstract. These thoughts were solid and immediate—hotter than fire and wetter than water—and as I received them I was able to instantly and effortlessly understand concepts that would have taken me years to fully grasp in my earthly life.

 

I continued moving forward and found myself entering an immense void, completely dark, infinite in size, yet also infinitely comforting. Pitch-black as it was, it was also brimming over with light: a light that seemed to come from a brilliant orb that I now sensed near me. The orb was a kind of “interpreter” between me and this vast presence surrounding me. It was as if I were being born into a larger world, and the universe itself was like a giant cosmic womb, and the orb (which I sensed was somehow connected with, or even identical to, the woman on the butterfly wing) was guiding me through it.

 

Later, when I was back, I found a quotation by the 17th-century Christian poet Henry Vaughan that came close to describing this magical place, this vast, inky-black core that was the home of the Divine itself.

 

“There is, some say, in God a deep but dazzling darkness ...”

 

That was it exactly: an inky darkness that was also full to brimming with light.

 

One of the few places I didn’t have trouble getting my story across was a place I’d seen fairly little of before my experience: church. The first time I entered a church after my coma, I saw everything with fresh eyes. The colors of the stained-glass windows recalled the luminous beauty of the landscapes I’d seen in the world above. The deep bass notes of the organ reminded me of how thoughts and emotions in that world are like waves that move through you. And, most important, a painting of Jesus breaking bread with his disciples evoked the message that lay at the very heart of my journey: that we are loved and accepted unconditionally by a God even more grand and unfathomably glorious than the one I’d learned of as a child in Sunday school.

 

But I now understand that such a view is far too simple. The plain fact is that the materialist picture of the body and brain as the producers, rather than the vehicles, of human consciousness is doomed. In its place a new view of mind and body will emerge, and in fact is emerging already. This view is scientific and spiritual in equal measure and will value what the greatest scientists of history themselves always valued above all: truth.

right.

 

This is so beautiful. It made me cry!

 

I would love this story even more if I knew that the Dr. were donating a portion (a large portion ) of the book's proceeds to kids with meningitis, or another charity Not that giving up some of our possessions is a requirement as evidence of a changed worldview...but it doesn't hurt either

[M30USA]

Hmmm...

 

The noise he described is interesting. The Apostle John, upon receiving the Revelation of Jesus Christ, heard a sound which he described as "the sound of many waters".

 

Even in other seemingly unrelated phenomenon, sound is often a very significant memory. For example, in sleep paralysis (which can progress to out of body experiences), there is a universally described sound of something like "static".

 

I have no doubt that there are certain auditory effects when one is on the border--so to speak--of this world and the spiritual world. It's like the changing of frequencies on the radio, where you get static in between. The only reason I feel comfortable saying this is because EVERY case of someone going through an experience like this involves SOME kind of memorable sound. So even if it's all a hoax, it's a pretty consistent trait of the hoax.

[TheFinalWord]

Factors/possibilities to consider:

 

1) Angels are described as beautiful beings in the Bible. However, even the fallen angels of Satan are beautiful (in appearance). In fact, Satan is a "cherub" angel in the Bible and his appearance--if one were to see him--would be so incredibly beautiful that it borders on terrifying.

 

2) If this man is NOT a believer in Christ (which I don't pretend to know one way or the other), then there is no way, biblically speaking, that angels of the Lord would say such a thing. If this were the case, they would tell him to repent or prepare his heart for Christ.

 

3) If this man IS a believer, then they possibly were angels of the Lord.

 

4) The fact that he PERCEIVED these beings to be female doesn't mean that they ARE. It's possible that the general trait of beauty in angels was mistaken by him as being a female.

 

Good points. Nothing wrong with being skeptical! I believe on the dateline interview he said the woman was his biological sister, that was deceased. I found this in another story on-line: "Alexander eventually traveled on the wing of a butterfly with a young woman whom he later discovered was a biological sister he had never met, because he was adopted."

 

I could be wrong though. I don't want to speculate. I have to do a lot of traveling the next few months so I'll download the book for my e-reader.

 

M30, I've heard before that Zach. 5:9 is a "female" angel (if angels have a true sex at all, I'm not convinced either way). What do you think?

 

"Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven."

[yessy21]

Actually an ER nurse once reported that while working one night a man came in with serious health issue and had passed for about a couple of minutes and when he was resuscitated he began kicking and screaming about the burning fire on his legs. and if you go into the link they will tell you how some were watching dark figures trying to relocate into their body. i believe when you astromorph that you can get replaced if your not safe.

[yessy21]

In some strange way... this all makes sense.

[yessy21]

Factors/possibilities to consider:

 

1) Angels are described as beautiful beings in the Bible. However, even the fallen angels of Satan are beautiful (in appearance). In fact, Satan is a "cherub" angel in the Bible and his appearance--if one were to see him--would be so incredibly beautiful that it borders on terrifying.

 

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Does this mean that chace crawford is SATAN? he is sooooo beautiful.

[Gunny376]

I've read his book, and I don't re-call his describing the others as being necessarily female, but more of a sense of both + androgynous + spiritual all at the same time. Same with communication and time ~ which the way he described it was un-like any other way that he had ever experienced it before. That is to say that it was direct and in-direct ~ liner and non-liner all at the same time. Paradoxical if you would. White and Black, round and square and rectangular etc all at the same time. It can difficult to wrap your head around.

 

The other night I was listening to a physicist speak about the creation of the universe and the "Big Bang" theory. Guy called in and asked if we can look back 6 billion years ago and see and detect the radiation from the "Big Bang" event, why can't we do a 180 in the opposite and see what the future holds? The answer that the physicist gave was that the current model holds that "Creation" happened spontaneously all at the same time all around us, and that there wasn't any particular point of origin.

 

Years ago I read an article in "Discovery Magazine" dealing with multi-dimensions and the mathematics of it all. In it the author (a physicist) stated that mathematically that if you had a 10 dimensional being? He/She/It could walk through 3 dimensional solid objects (walls, floors, ceilings, bulkheads etc)

 

We living in a 3 dimensional world (actually four if you include "Time" are limited by our ability to tie into beyond that realm / level of consciousness.

 

Frank J. Tipler in his book "The Physics of Immortality" came to the conclusion of "The Omega Point of Creation" while attempting to solve Einstein's unfinished "Field of Relativity" theory, came to the conclusion through mathematics and physics that there is a God, and that there will be a resurrection. He had previously been an atheist. http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Physics_of_Immortality.html?id=z3Rfm2RgXjIC

 

I'm not particuarly religious ~ which is to say that I don't cotton to any particular organized religion, I am however deeply spiritual and do belive in God, and choose to believe in the Jesue Christ. (That is to say I don't need nor require any any outside proof nor validation as a basis for my belief ~ I believe on simple faith alone ~ nothing more and nothing less)

 

I believe most organized religions is man's attempt to bring "God" down to our level when we should reaching up to and striving to "His" level. I believe we're NOT Earthyly beings having a spiritual experience, but spiritual beings haveing an eartly experience ~ that this life is nothing more than just a "classroom" for our experience, growth and learning as spiritual beings. I believe we were, are and will be again "spiritual" beings. That Hell is being completely and totally removed from God permantely.

[Feelin Frisky]

Nonsense. One person's anecdotal interpretation of an unconscious experiences proves nothing. Personally, I don't even want a heaven. It makes no sense when you analyses it. Each person dies at a different time but somehow they appear to each other at the age they knew each other. It would take some kind of master of deception to keep souls in a state of delusion. And why bother? What's the pay off to the deity for all this gilded cage crapolla? One reality is enough. Thank you, God.

[skydiveaddict]

Personally, I don't even want a heaven. It makes no sense when you analyses it.

 

I'm not as sure as you are. While heaven may indeed not exist, I'm terrified of the thought that hell may exist. Hence my adherence to Pascal's wager.

Edited November 16, 2012 by skydiveaddict

[Eve]

I'm not as sure as you are. While heaven may indeed not exist, I'm terrified of the thought that hell may exist. Hence my adherence to Pascal's wager.

 

But wouldn't that be inauthentic? Or do you see this as a means to an end; a person may become enlightened?

 

Take care,

Eve x

[skydiveaddict]

But wouldn't that be inauthentic?

 

Perhaps not "inauthentic," but it is certainly a testament to my continually eroding faith in God.

 

Or do you see this as a means to an end; a person may become enlightened?

 

Good question. I don't know.

[threebyfate]

Being a neurosurgeon with less than half a brain functioning while experiencing his NDE, doesn't make him anymore or less an authority of the subject.

 

This is much like believing that post lobotomy, a rocket scientist is capable of working at NASA. Don't think so.

[skydiveaddict]

This is much like believing that post lobotomy, a rocket scientist is capable of working at NASA. Don't think so.

 

 

Or perhaps the "science" of astrology?

[threebyfate]

Or perhaps the "science" of astrology?

You're confusing two separate issues, in two separate threads. One was respectfully addressing a significant other's interests and this thread, which is the expectation of belief. It's possible to facilitate the former without embracing the latter.

[skydiveaddict]

You're confusing two separate issues, in two separate threads. One was respectfully addressing a significant other's interests and this thread, which is the expectation of belief. It's possible to facilitate the former without embracing the latter.

 

And astrology is not the "expectation of belief?"

[threebyfate]

And astrology is not the "expectation of belief?"

What are you talking about? Is it not possible for you to subjectively prioritize your SOs feelings, than discussing a topic objectively on the Internet with a group of strangers?

 

It's like having a discussion about dogs where someone keeps piping up about elephants. Say what?

 

Anyways, I don't believe this NDE any more than if the story's been told by an office worker.

Edited November 17, 2012 by threebyfate

[skydiveaddict]

What are you talking about? Is it not possible for you to subjectively prioritize your SOs feelings, than discussing a topic objectively on the Internet with a group of strangers?

 

It's like having a discussion about dogs where someone keeps piping up about elephants. Say what?

 

I'm talking about whether astrology is a science, or, is it more similar to the ramblings of a brain dead neurosurgeon which you seem to place no credence in.

 

Which is more credible? The neurosurgeon's near death experiences or your latest astrology chart?

[threebyfate]

I'm talking about whether astrology is a science, or, is it more similar to the ramblings of a brain dead neurosurgeon which you seem to place no credence in.

 

Which is more credible? The neurosurgeon's near death experiences or your latest astrology chart?

So you bring a completely unrelated topic into this thread to do what, exactly?

 

I don't believe in either astrology or some guy who's trying to sell a book, NDE.

[skydiveaddict]

I don't believe in either astrology or some guy who's trying to sell a book, NDE.

 

That's Interesting. Apparently your beliefs have changed quite recently. Your recent contributions to this thread would suggest otherwise.

[threebyfate]

That's Interesting. Apparently your beliefs have changed quite recently. Your recent contributions to this thread would suggest otherwise.

No. Your failure to understand my points in either thread, can't be helped. Lead, horse, water.

[Eve]

Perhaps not "inauthentic," but it is certainly a testament to my continually eroding faith in God.

 

Good question. I don't know.

 

Well I looked up Pascals Wager. I am sure I have come across it previously but it was good to refresh my memory. Thanks for this.

 

Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

The philosophy uses the following logic (excerpts from Pensées, part III, §233):

 

1."God is, or He is not"

2.A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.

3.According to reason, you can defend either of the propositions.

4.You must wager. (It's not optional.)

5.Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.

6.Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.

 

I can see how (a reasonable person) could come to such conclusions.

 

Sorry to hear that you are struggling with your faith. I understand what that is like, from the perspective of not knowing where I fitted in initially.

 

I see the wager as being a useful summary and would say it leaves ample room and freedom for the person to exact their search for faith.

 

I enjoyed reading the information about the wager and arguments on the wiki page. Cheers!

 

Take care,

Eve x