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I have a really awesome instructor that teaches classes at my gym. He was talking about how when you see a woman's ribs, she is too thin.

That's his personal opinion. Or, more likely, he's just saying that to make his overweight clients feel better about themselves.

 

If you want to observe the "natural" female look, you need to go to more primitive societies where most people are subsistence farmers who live off the land (i.e. rural India or China). You will not find too many women who do not have visible ribs.

 

Overweight American women who have chunks of fat and skin hanging off their sides and covering heir ribcage are anything but natural looking. These women got that way because through lack of exercise and consumption of massive amounts of processed sugar, corn syrup and transfat-infused junk food.

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I find it hilarious how the guys say they hate fake implants but then go and post of photos of girls with obvious implants.

I think most men say they hate fake boobs for the same reason women say they like nice guys....People feel that it's what they are supposed to say and if they don't say it, it would reflect negatively on them. It's basically peer pressure. I've never met a guy who said he liked fake breasts. Yet, the girls I know who have fake breasts get lots of attention from guys...go figure :laugh:

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If that is you in your picture, you are not hideously deformed, nor are you anywhere near being a cultural outlier in terms of your facial features.

 

But this isn't the case. She knows she is attractive and men are attracted to her, but the issue isn't what other people think of her (she gets boyfriends so it doesn't matter), the issue is her self-confidence would soar if she got a nose job. It's all in your head.

 

I have a friend who got a nose job. Even though to me she still looks the same, I will never forget what she said to me after the surgery.

 

"Now I feel like my outside matches my inside". And I totally get it. She felt that her nose what keeping her from being herself, from being as confident as she truly was. After she got the surgery she remained the same person only sexier, and not because of her nose, but because of her attitude.

 

In any case, I support your decision for this surgery.

 

Back on topic, I used to wonder if my breasts were too small, but then I saw something that changed my entire world. I was out once at a lounge and I saw a pretty girl (okay, kind of slutty but anyway) that was dancing and was all over some guy later in the night. She was completely flat chested but was wearing a very exposed top. Basically it was a halter top with a very open back, and a very low V cut in the front.

 

You could see a lot of her skin, and even though she was flat chested, she looked so SEXY. And then I realized it was because of the way she carried herself. She had a very meagan fox type face, long black hair, and I don't know, just the way she carried herself screamed sex and hot, and i'm telling you literally, she was flat chested. MAYBE an A cup.

 

After that moment I realized that breasts have nothing to do with it. It really does have to do with how you carry yourself.

 

Until this day I am grateful for that girl :) She showed me that breasts don't matter at all. That a woman can be so sexy in her own way, and the fact that it's in her own way is what makes her even sexier to men.

 

So thanks strange girl at the lounge :)

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That's his personal opinion. Or, more likely, he's just saying that to make his overweight clients feel better about themselves.

 

It's based from what he's studied about the body. And he isn't a personal trainer. He doesn't give one on one sessions. He just teaches classes there. He actually has another job that is his fulltime job. He says it so that people don't have unrealistic expectations about what is healthy based on what he knows about the body. I don't think his comment was advocating for obecity. I think he was just making the point that ideals of thinness in the media aren't any healthier then being really over weight.

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I think most men say they hate fake boobs for the same reason women say they like nice guys....People feel that it's what they are supposed to say and if they don't say it, it would reflect negatively on them. It's basically peer pressure. I've never met a guy who said he liked fake breasts. Yet, the girls I know who have fake breasts get lots of attention from guys...go figure :laugh:

 

Feelsgoodman, you are actually the one man on this board that I actually think holds women in a lot of contempt. Women do like nice guys. They just don't like dormats who agree with everything they say or who make her make all the choices in his desire to overly please her.

 

But I do think men are a bit hypocrtical on this point because you will hear men talk about how they don't prefer or like this body feature yet will defend looking and giving it attention. Which is why I think it's important for men to pay more attention to their actions and words and not think that just because they tell a woman something in regards to this, but then act differently, that she should believe him or take him at his word. This is actually something I think men should be more aware of and work on. If you like big boobs, fine. Stare all you want. but dont' say you like small ones just as much then oggle big ones. Don't make fun of women with fake breasts but then oggle them too.

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I know that not all men love big breasts. Some prefer smaller ones, others prefer small ones in general, but I am curious as to how true the whole "men and breasts" phenomena really is.

 

If you could take your current or past girlfriends and add a cup size or two to their breasts, would you do it? Would you enjoy it more? I don't mean that their smaller breasts took away from her overall attraction, but would larger breasts add to the attraction?

 

I am a B-cup and have never bothered to even wonder about my breasts, but I constantly see movies or comics about men being completely blown away by large breasts and not being able to pay attention to anything else.

 

Overall, is this really the case? Or is this just an exaggeration to show how men are visual and appreciate lots of "female"?

 

 

I don't think you will find a man who won't turn his head on the beach to a topless blond with a pair of perfect DD's, me included ... it's hardwired into us, it's a sign of fertility to us.

However, i would never allow my gf to 'upgrade' her breasts size from A/B.

Even if they were mosquito bites.

It's not a question of principle, i just like small breasts ... they are awesome to cup in your hands, they fit in your mouth easily, she can get away without wearing a bra, small breasts are awesome.

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I think most guys prefer chicks with bigger boobs over small ones. If that wasn't the case then they wouldn't use big-chested chicks to sell products and they wouldn't make fun of chicks with small boobs on tv shows. If guys hated fake boobs then playboy probably wouldn't still be around either.Which is why once I have enough money saved up I plan to get implants so I can actually have some boobs for my boyfriend to look at.

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I think most guys prefer chicks with bigger boobs over small ones. If that wasn't the case then they wouldn't use big-chested chicks to sell products and they wouldn't make fun of chicks with small boobs on tv shows. If guys hated fake boobs then playboy probably wouldn't still be around either.Which is why once I have enough money saved up I plan to get implants so I can actually have some boobs for my boyfriend to look at.

 

I agree, society has deemed that larger breasts are more desirable. However, I consider myself an outlier in this regard.

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I don't think you will find a man who won't turn his head on the beach to a topless blond with a pair of perfect DD's, me included ... it's hardwired into us, it's a sign of fertility to us.

However, i would never allow my gf to 'upgrade' her breasts size from A/B.

Even if they were mosquito bites.

It's not a question of principle, i just like small breasts ... they are awesome to cup in your hands, they fit in your mouth easily, she can get away without wearing a bra, small breasts are awesome.

 

I think I get a little tired of the "it's hardwired into us!" excuse. This gets so over used to over simplify explanation on why peopld do or like things, we begin to attach an unnatural amount of justification for doing something.

 

If women have to get an unhuman object implanted into their body to meet an ideal, that's not biology. That's not natural and that has nothing to do with fertility. Big breasts themselves certainly can be attractive in their own right. However, when we start saying these things "improve" women is really going off the deep end. I think the idea of what the perfect breast today is far different from the idea of what the perfect breast was 50+ years ago. So you can' say, "It's biology!" and wrap it up in a neat little package. It's not just a matter of biology. There are some very unhealthy ideals aout women's bodies. Women are suppose to be super skinny with large breasts. Except real breasts are simply fat. So for a lot of women, having both large breasts and being super skinny is not going to be the norm. Healthy bodies come in all shapes and sizes. There is *no* scientific information that says women with larger breasts are "more" fertile then women without larger breasts (at least I never heard of any.)

 

Like I said, women will judge a man on his actions more then his words. If you continue to turn your head for the DD woman then women are naturally going to conclude that is what you want. If men buy into media that protrays large fake boobed women, then that is what women are going to think men want and make their bodies fit into that if they can't deal with not living up to a standard their male partner is carving out for them. If you are a man that truly likes small breasts, then let your actions back up your words. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.

 

If you like small breasts so much why would you even compare them to "mosquito bites" which is actually a rather dsyfunctional term that is usually used to put women down with small breasts?

 

I am beginning to think I need to be more judgmental about men's looks all around. On one hand LS guys complain about how critical women are of their looks and height. Yet I never see nearly as many threads puting men down for their looks or putting men on the chopping block for their looks like I see posts done here with women and their looks. If I have to hear another man whine about his penis size or height after this I am going to tear my hair out. It appears that a lot of you guys don't believe you should have to live up to as many ideals as you want your partners to.

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To be fair DY, it's kinda hard NOT to notice large breasts, whether you like them or not :laugh:. Like I said, I had a crush who was very well-endowed in that area (EE I speculate), and even before I was attracted to her, they were hard not to notice, even when we were young (both 16 when I first met her).

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To be fair DY, it's kinda hard NOT to notice large breasts, whether you like them or not :laugh:.

Speak for yourself. Either I am a genetic failure, or I do not naturally notice women's breasts.

 

I cannot plead the same for a confident walk however. And yes, hair colour and what she wears does influence that.

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To be fair DY, it's kinda hard NOT to notice large breasts, whether you like them or not :laugh:.

 

This is actually very true. Unless smaller breasts are left completely uncovered and revealed, larger breasts will be more noticable simply from a strictly visual standpoint. Women's clothing is often designed to reveal part of the breast, and larger breasts with larger surface area will generally be more revealed. This alone is enough to catch the eye. And if the breasts are completely covered, like with a sweater, they will certainly be more notable than smaller breasts due to their size alone (i.e., they will protrude further from the body).

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Speak for yourself. Either I am a genetic failure, or I do not naturally notice women's breasts.

 

I cannot plead the same for a confident walk however. And yes, hair colour and what she wears does influence that.

Yeah, I love a confident walk too. But I always notice breasts, and I try (very hard - NPI) not to. But, admittedly I am a horndog most of the time :laugh:.

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i have GG cup boobs medium build elsewhere - but unless i dress nicely no man wants me and the men that like these (and I know not all do) expect instant bed and pornstar moves while other more innocent-looking women probably get given May blossoms and mother-in-law approval, not all good having big boobies fun sometimes, they're not very pert never were so much so i feel shy to show them

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To be fair DY, it's kinda hard NOT to notice large breasts, whether you like them or not :laugh:. Like I said, I had a crush who was very well-endowed in that area (EE I speculate), and even before I was attracted to her, they were hard not to notice, even when we were young (both 16 when I first met her).

 

I think that says something more about you and where your head is at Wholigan then the fact that a woman may have large breasts. This goes with the whole over objectifying women anyway and the obession with breasts to begin with yes? There are men that are not as obessed with breasts. D'Arthez shows us that.

 

I also ask you and other men to be fair. Be fair and understand that what you give attention to is going to be what women understand you like. You don't get to say how you are going to give attention to all these other things yet claim you want something different then what you give attention to. Now you actually like big breasts..so be it. But I get really annoyed at the men that are like "Heck yeah I am going to notice that', while drool seeps from their mouth then expect their words to make up for what their actions are actually saying, such as that those things don't matter. Yes Wholigan. I ask that you and other guys start to be fair and stop blaming and justifying your actions on "biology" or being a guy or the other stuff that really makes me think that men simply don't care about women other then to use as fodder for eye candy or fantasy.

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i have GG cup boobs medium build elsewhere - but unless i dress nicely no man wants me and the men that like these (and I know not all do) expect instant bed and pornstar moves while other more innocent-looking women probably get given May blossoms and mother-in-law approval, not all good having big boobies fun sometimes, they're not very pert never were so much so i feel shy to show them

 

See, and that makes me sad darkmoon because if that's true, then we are both getting stereotyped injusticely for what are bodies look like then who we are.

 

 

And the part you said that men expect you to have "porn-star" moves shows how warped men let themselves become regarding fantasy and women and their bodies. Yes, I know this is a reality a lot of guys here won't want to acknowledge but that's exactly what darkmmon's experience is telling us.

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See, and that makes me sad darkmoon because if that's true, then we are both getting stereotyped injusticely for what are bodies look like then who we are.

 

 

And the part you said that men expect you to have "porn-star" moves shows how warped men let themselves become regarding fantasy and women and their bodies. Yes, I know this is a reality a lot of guys here won't want to acknowledge but that's exactly what darkmmon's experience is telling us.

 

the porn trade is to blame, but having said that, stars like jolie or bardot and alot more are really beautiful, they dress just right too, monroe... all pert...

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I think I get a little tired of the "it's hardwired into us!" excuse. This gets so over used to over simplify explanation on why peopld do or like things, we begin to attach an unnatural amount of justification for doing something.

 

If women have to get an unhuman object implanted into their body to meet an ideal, that's not biology. That's not natural and that has nothing to do with fertility. Big breasts themselves certainly can be attractive in their own right. However, when we start saying these things "improve" women is really going off the deep end. I think the idea of what the perfect breast today is far different from the idea of what the perfect breast was 50+ years ago. So you can' say, "It's biology!" and wrap it up in a neat little package. It's not just a matter of biology. There are some very unhealthy ideals aout women's bodies. Women are suppose to be super skinny with large breasts. Except real breasts are simply fat. So for a lot of women, having both large breasts and being super skinny is not going to be the norm. Healthy bodies come in all shapes and sizes. There is *no* scientific information that says women with larger breasts are "more" fertile then women without larger breasts (at least I never heard of any.)

 

Why are you attacking and disecting my post ... no matter how much e-ink is used on this, men will still turn heads after big breasts.

There was a study made a while back with a woman who was brunette with a cups, brunette with d cups and then blonde with d cups. Same girl, same face ... guys simply responded better with bigger boobs, and then with bigger boobs and blonde hair.

It's just the way it is, and no matter how much ink feminists decide to waste on this subject, it won't change.

Men can't be shamed into liking what is considered PC.

 

Like I said, women will judge a man on his actions more then his words. If you continue to turn your head for the DD woman then women are naturally going to conclude that is what you want. If men buy into media that protrays large fake boobed women, then that is what women are going to think men want and make their bodies fit into that if they can't deal with not living up to a standard their male partner is carving out for them. If you are a man that truly likes small breasts, then let your actions back up your words. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.

 

Oh, and i guess a girl won't look at the crotch of a guy with perfect bod in speedos ... off-course she won't.

 

If you like small breasts so much why would you even compare them to "mosquito bites" which is actually a rather dsyfunctional term that is usually used to put women down with small breasts?

 

Dysfuctional to you, to me it isn't and it has never been.

 

I am beginning to think I need to be more judgmental about men's looks all around. On one hand LS guys complain about how critical women are of their looks and height. Yet I never see nearly as many threads puting men down for their looks or putting men on the chopping block for their looks like I see posts done here with women and their looks. If I have to hear another man whine about his penis size or height after this I am going to tear my hair out. It appears that a lot of you guys don't believe you should have to live up to as many ideals as you want your partners to.

 

This post is highly judgemental already.

Most of the threads that deal with a man's penis size, are posted by women in the Sex subforum.

Actually, the last one [about jelquing], is also posted by a woman.

 

As far as i'm concerned, if a woman that i am dating will yell at me for turning my head after a pair of DD's in the wild on the beach, then she is not LTR material ... no reason to project her insecurities on me when she also looks at guy's bods.

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I think that says something more about you and where your head is at Wholigan then the fact that a woman may have large breasts. This goes with the whole over objectifying women anyway and the obession with breasts to begin with yes? There are men that are not as obessed with breasts. D'Arthez shows us that.

 

Of course it's in my own head, duh :p

 

I already said I'm a horndog. I admit that, and I've always been that way. I make no excuses for it, and I do my best to control it, but I am. I like women, and I'm sexual. I'm not obsessed, but I find it difficult not to look if I see a girl walking down the street who looks good, or has big breasts or bum or whatever. Sure, I can do it, and I have, but that doesn't make it any less harder for me.

 

I have never justified my actions by biology or anything like that. I don't understand why you would levy such an accusation at me, or why what I have said makes you or anyone insecure about their bodies.

 

I also ask you and other men to be fair. Be fair and understand that what you give attention to is going to be what women understand you like.

 

Well it shouldn't be. Women should be fair and stop reading too much into everything we do if that's the case :rolleyes:.

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There ain't nothing wrong with noticing large breasts. I always do it. They simply stand-out to me. It has nothing to do with being obsessed with breasts. I ain't even a huge fan of large breasts to begin with.

 

It's like how most women usually notice a taller guy in a certain setting compared to their counterparts. Clearly this doesn't mean these women in particular are obsessed with tall men, it just means their height allows them to catch their eye much quicker. Same with breasts. If I notice large breasts, I'll glance then go on with what I was doing. It's not a big deal.

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There ain't nothing wrong with noticing large breasts. I always do it. They simply stand-out to me. It has nothing to do with being obsessed with breasts. I ain't even a huge fan of large breasts to begin with.

 

It's like how most women usually notice a taller guy in a certain setting compared to their counterparts. Clearly this doesn't mean these women in particular are obsessed with tall men, it just means their height allows them to catch their eye much quicker. Same with breasts. If I notice large breasts, I'll glance then go on with what I was doing. It's not a big deal.

Thank you!

 

It's not like we're like :love: straight away. Most of the time it's like a one look for like half a second. A minute later, I don't even remember what they looked like. And she doesn't even know I've seen them!

 

I don't understand why we have to justify such things :confused:......I mean, there are certain circumstances that are inappropriate, but still...

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i have GG cup boobs medium build elsewhere - but unless i dress nicely no man wants me and the men that like these (and I know not all do) expect instant bed and pornstar moves while other more innocent-looking women probably get given May blossoms and mother-in-law approval, not all good having big boobies fun sometimes, they're not very pert never were so much so i feel shy to show them

That must be rather unfortunate, actually. I imagine these men aren't very good at helping you relax or feel comfortable around them either......

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I think that says something more about you and where your head is at Wholigan then the fact that a woman may have large breasts. This goes with the whole over objectifying women anyway and the obession with breasts to begin with yes? There are men that are not as obessed with breasts. D'Arthez shows us that.

 

I also ask you and other men to be fair. Be fair and understand that what you give attention to is going to be what women understand you like. You don't get to say how you are going to give attention to all these other things yet claim you want something different then what you give attention to. Now you actually like big breasts..so be it. But I get really annoyed at the men that are like "Heck yeah I am going to notice that', while drool seeps from their mouth then expect their words to make up for what their actions are actually saying, such as that those things don't matter. Yes Wholigan. I ask that you and other guys start to be fair and stop blaming and justifying your actions on "biology" or being a guy or the other stuff that really makes me think that men simply don't care about women other then to use as fodder for eye candy or fantasy.

 

There's nothing wrong with enjoying how a woman looks, it's perfectly natural.

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Yeah, there's usually a creep who'll continuously stare at a woman's breasts if they're large. I've known a few guys who've done this and never cared. Those would likely fall under the inapproriate category. What we're doing is just fine. And if it's a woman I'm talking to, despite noticing her boobs, I'm still interested in her as a person, not her melons.

 

Other than that, glancing at breasts are quite normal. Hell, I'll be honest and admit I'll give more attention to a woman's feet than their large breasts--especially if they're pretty:love: People need to just lighten up and stop making mountains out of sand.

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People need to just lighten up and stop making mountains out of sand.

Absolutely agreed.

 

The number of women who look at me is relatively low. Why? Because I am relatively short. Should I blame women for their seemingly natural attraction to taller guys? Nope. It is par for the course.

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