Is Misandry increasing in America?

[GooseChaser]

Then the woman has the power. :p:p

Hahaha, so the woman gets some power just because she's a woman, eh? I see what you're saying there. Interesting way of looking at it...

[GooseChaser]

Actually, the police usually put the man in jail even when he's the victim, a woman threatening a man with a knife or gun is not just hurting his ego.

In that case, the police is putting the man in jail to protect him, not to punish him. He probably appreciates the safe haven. It would seem more fair if they sent the woman to jail, though, haha.

 

 

Or maybe perhaps it's not just a matter of refusing to see a shrink, but that their lives are pretty bad and hopeless? An overwhelming amount of the homeless are male.

I have a male friend who has been homeless before. Why would so many of the homeless be male, though? I don't understand why that would be. They have a harder time than women in finding a partner to support them and give them a place to stay, because men are so often the bread-winners?

 

 

..as did everyone who wasn't the king, queen, high church officials, or a member of the aristocracy.

 

Non property owning (aristocrats) men didn't get the vote til 1850. Women began getting the vote soon after in many areas, despite that the actual Constitutional amendment wasn't enacted until 1920.

True. However, that type of thing ended a long time ago, except where there is still monarchy and aristocracy today. Women's rights have been lacking until much more recently. Even if in SOME areas, women were able to vote, in many places they surely weren't permitted to vote or it wasn't approved of, which is what made the amendment necessary.

 

 

This is not the case. In fact, accounting for the fact that men work more hours, thus more higher paying overtime, and work for longer uninterrupted duration in years in the employment market, and don't take time outs to raise children which reduces their relative experience level (employers pay more for more experience), men make less than women. Moreover, men do almost all the hazardous work (oil rigs, truck driving 50-75k per year) that pays more because of danger, while women gravitate to more comfortable, safe, and low-paying work environments (bank tellers, administrators) (25-50k per year). Women also have numerical superiority in several relatively high paying areas, nursing, marketing, human resources.

Hm, I've always heard that women made less. About the hazardous work, women often aren't allowed to do that work because they don't have the physical strength needed, and men just like to protect the women so they can be uninjured and better able to give birth and raise children. They can't do that as well if they're always around hazardous chemicals that lead to birth defects, or if they get seriously hurt. It's chivalry. Another example of that is military service. Women aren't permitted to fight in active duty because they would hold back the men (the men would become protective and defend her from harm), and again, she might not have the attitude, endurance (physically and mentally), and physical strength necessary for the job. I agree that women have careers that they gravitate towards, both for comfort reasons and because some of them may be traditional women's careers, such as nursing and teaching.

 

 

Men go to jail whenever a woman makes a claim of rape, and may get out on bail in a few days or weeks (depending on their economic circumstances), but make no mistake, they go straight to jail. Here is a good blog post on how "justice is served."

 

http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2009/09/real-life-date-rape-case.html

I haven't looked at the link yet, but I will, and I'm sure it's quite fascinating and enlightening. Thank you for providing it. It's not completely fair, but I'm sure the police are taking no chances, and want to be sure there isn't a dangerous person running around loose. Once the man is proven to be innocent, he is released.

 

 

 

The point is not that men earn more income, which is because they work more, but that despite dying 7-10 years earlier than women, and paying a lion's share of taxes, only receive ~10% of the tax money they pay back for men's medical issues such as prostate cancer, that are every bit as deadly as diseases that affect women. Now admittedly some of this is due to the high % of government medical funds spent on childbirth, but just some though.

Yeah, that doesn't seem fair to me either. Why do you think that is, that men don't get as much medical care paid for by taxes? Of course, for one, it is very important to people that pregnant women get the care they need to have a healthy, successful childbirth, as well as birth control when it is needed. Why else, in your opinion?

 

 

Your information is a bit dated. Women outnumber men in college and many graduate programs right now.

I see. I have also heard that women are less likely to drop out of high school and college. My (male) political science professor mentioned this and that he was curious of the reason why that would be. In my opinion, men may have more overconfidence in their ability to make their own way, even counting in their decision to drop out of school. Maybe since women have less history of security in the workforce (they often entered more into the workforce during wartime, and then left to go back to the home after the men returned from fighting), they take school more seriously at times? Of course, it depends very much on the person! It's an interesting trend, though, and I would also be interested to know why this might be.

 

 

Very refreshing, thanks.

You're very welcome!

 

 

Well the point was that the audience for fictional television is overwhelmingly female, so the fact that bad representations of men do in fact "sell well" to a female audience is directly dispositive of a misandrist attitude in modern American culture.

Good point. Well, that's just something about humor. Unfortunately, some people enjoy depreciating, degrading humor. Slapstick, anyone? The more people are getting hurt, the funnier it is.

 

 

It's about 3:1, and the problem Professor Sommers described in her book was in elementary school, where people are shaped for life.

 

Thanks, btw, for your neutral, non insulting tone in discussing this.

3:1? You mean male:female, or female:male? Also, do you refer to the proportion in primary and secondary education, or college? Or all of it? It's very true that our education shapes us. That's why it's so important.

 

You're welcome! My pleasure!

Edited September 27, 2010 by GooseChaser

[Woggle]

It also makes it easier for a woman to get with a man who isn't rich if she makes her own income too and doesn't completely depend on him.

 

Then why would she be with a man at all? I like to know why I am there.

[brainygirl]

Then why would she be with a man at all? I like to know why I am there.

 

Company, companionship, sex, friendship, support, mutual enjoyment of eachother's company.

[Bogo123]

Company, companionship, sex, friendship, support, mutual enjoyment of eachother's company.

 

Aside from sex, she can get all those from a friend or a pet.

 

Women need men to make babies. And that's the bottom line!

[GooseChaser]

Yep! The main point is, most women who are good people want a man for more than money, and do not marry for the sole purpose of robbing the man of his life's savings.

[jamesum]

Yep! The main point is, most women who are good people want a man for more than money, and do not marry for the sole purpose of robbing the man of his life's savings.

So women do not only want to rob a man off his money but also a lot more?

 

Hmm, I dont know if that is supposed to make a man feel better or what? LOL

[GooseChaser]

So women do not only want to rob a man off his money but also a lot more?

 

Hmm, I dont know if that is supposed to make a man feel better or what? LOL

Bad wording on my part, maybe! You know what I mean! I mean women want more than money; they want to find someone to spend their life with, to love, to lean on, to have a family with. Many want to find a good father for their future children.

 

Well, why do men want to find a woman? It's not just for the money on their part either! The reasons that men have probably have some similarities with women's reasons!

[jamesum]

Well, why do men want to find a woman? It's not just for the money on their part either! The reasons that men have probably have some similarities with women's reasons!

To be honest, whenever I saw a girl whom I was attracted to, the thought about money NEVER ever crossed my mind.The only things that came into my head are "She is beautiful and I wonder if she has a suitable personality." Nothing else.

 

I care zero about what she does for a living, how much money she has in the bank, what kind of car she has, if she has her own house, if she lives on her own.

 

My mother taught me that money can be made together and I have always held that principle.

[GooseChaser]

To be honest, whenever I saw a girl whom I was attracted to, the thought about money NEVER ever crossed my mind.The only things that came into my head are "She is beautiful and I wonder if she has a suitable personality." Nothing else.

 

I care zero about what she does for a living, how much money she has in the bank, what kind of car she has, if she has her own house, if she lives on her own.

 

My mother taught me that money can be made together and I have always held that principle.

That's good. I'm happy to hear that.

[Disillusioned]

One thing men hate in a relationship is feeling disposable and in many cases today men are made to feel just that.

 

Seconded.

 

But then again, a lot of these people of both genders were brought up being spoiled rotten by yuppie parents during the Raygun years, so we really can't foist 100% of the blame on misandrist women OR arrogant snobby men.

[sanskrit]

being spoiled rotten by yuppie parents during the Raygun years

 

If you think that kids were brought up more spoiled in the 80s than they are now, I don't know what to say other than "have you seen how parents raise their kids lately?"

[AmItheOnlyOne]

One word: Liberals

 

By nature, women were the more "liberal" and men were "conservative" because men had to think logically about defending and protecting. Women were all about caring for the kids and being playful, fun.

 

Out on the west coast, which is really, along with NY, LA, etc.. the think tank of all that is the US essentially... very liberal.

 

As the US becomes more and more, let's say, stable (protected, safe, educated, etc) the need for traditional, logical conservative thought is less needed, thus, the move towards womens rights, and simple things in life--good things, raising kids, being more tolerant, etc.

 

Those days of rapping about b's and h's, of macho manly men.. It's in the back pocket, but now, it's all about the kids, the women, and men who are, well.. more metrosexual types I suppose.

 

A war would change all that trust me, but of course, we don't want that. When violence comes a knocking.. you may see a change, so we should be thankful it's like this.

 

Yet.. you got to admit-- women KILLED HIP HOP! =)

[irc333]

Women are responsible for 50% of domestic violence, where's the Violence against Men Act?

 

Right!

 

I had a friend I have known for years that was a very easy going non-aggressive guy. His g/f whom he dated and lived with for 5 years was having troubles in their relationship

 

She basically started to beat the crap out of him, and throwing crap at him, she was easily restrained by him, by holding her wrists, and she wound up hurting HERSELF trying to hurt HIM.

 

Of course this left marks on HER body (even though she did it to herself)

 

She called the cops, and they arrested him because they saw her marks.

 

Anyhow, he had to serve for anger mgt....I had to laugh, because was definately not the poster child for anger mgt.

 

Needless to say, the law sided with her.

[elaina]

Right!

 

I had a friend I have known for years that was a very easy going non-aggressive guy. His g/f whom he dated and lived with for 5 years was having troubles in their relationship

 

She basically started to beat the crap out of him, and throwing crap at him, she was easily restrained by him, by holding her wrists, and she wound up hurting HERSELF trying to hurt HIM.

 

Of course this left marks on HER body (even though she did it to herself)

 

She called the cops, and they arrested him because they saw her marks.

 

Anyhow, he had to serve for anger mgt....I had to laugh, because was definately not the poster child for anger mgt.

 

Needless to say, the law sided with her.

 

It is difficult to achieve the perfect balance concerning the law and preventing/punishing domestic abuse. Yes sadly, there are cases of women abusing their partners and nowadays the law does tend to lean more to her side. That hasnt always been the case. Long time ago, a man beating his wife wasnt considered a law-breaking event unless he did extensive damage or killed her. Long time ago, slavery was also not illegal, and beating slaves wasn't illegal either. Beating is a way people have had throughout the centuries to try to get the other people in their lives, people they thought were inferior to them, to do what they want them to do.

 

Thankfully, nowadays slavery and beating one's wife is illegal. Long time ago, her word counted nada and his (in general) was considered fine. Women had to submit a long time ago. They don't have to anymore.

 

So, what should men do about this? I think the best way for men who have been abused by a female to protect themselves is to videotape a time when she is attacking him. This evidence can show the judge what mere words can not.

 

It is very sad that unfairness can happen, but the law is not all-seeing. Men who find themselves being hurt do need to take the course of action that leads to concrete evidence that they are indeed victims. I think though that men should be pleased that nowadays, the law does protect and help many women from being hurt by men. That is a good thing yes?

[irc333]

It is very sad that unfairness can happen, but the law is not all-seeing. Men who find themselves being hurt do need to take the course of action that leads to concrete evidence that they are indeed victims. I think though that men should be pleased that nowadays, the law does protect and help many women from being hurt by men. That is a good thing yes?

 

Elaina, you're just stating the obvious.

 

And getting a video tape to record the incident is not likely, this was a spur of the moment thing, and was the first time she got violent on him, but hardly did any damage to him, but inflicted the pain upon herself.

 

What happened, is that the law went from ONE extreme to the next.

 

Man, all a woman can do is SAY "He raped me or abused me" and the guy can get arrested by a mere lie.

[Taramere]

Right!

 

I had a friend I have known for years that was a very easy going non-aggressive guy. His g/f whom he dated and lived with for 5 years was having troubles in their relationship

 

She basically started to beat the crap out of him, and throwing crap at him, she was easily restrained by him, by holding her wrists, and she wound up hurting HERSELF trying to hurt HIM.

 

Of course this left marks on HER body (even though she did it to herself)

 

She called the cops, and they arrested him because they saw her marks.

 

Anyhow, he had to serve for anger mgt....I had to laugh, because was definately not the poster child for anger mgt.

 

Needless to say, the law sided with her.

 

Was your evidence, as a witness to what happened, not taken into account?

[irc333]

I wasn't there, he just told me himself when we got together. She even took his kids from him when it was her turn to have the kids. (meaning she never brought them back) so he's dealing with that right now.

 

That girl was a real piece of work, but that's what he gets for marrying someone so much younger than him.

 

 

Was your evidence, as a witness to what happened, not taken into account?

[elaina]

Elaina, you're just stating the obvious.

 

And getting a video tape to record the incident is not likely, this was a spur of the moment thing, and was the first time she got violent on him, but hardly did any damage to him, but inflicted the pain upon herself.

 

What happened, is that the law went from ONE extreme to the next.

 

Man, all a woman can do is SAY "He raped me or abused me" and the guy can get arrested by a mere lie.

 

So that was the first (and only?) time she got violent with him?

 

Advice to men in general if a girl flips out on you, get away. Don't try to restrain her unless she's hurting a child or someone else. Get away and if you want to get your video cam and tape her freaking out AS you go away, do that. That's evidence, but don't try to restrain her. Restraining can cause harm to the person you restrain...the cops know that and many times cops do caution people not to fight being restrained, because it can hurt the person being restrained.

[irc333]

many times cops do caution people not to fight being restrained

 

Cops have actually said this?

[elaina]

Cops have actually said this?

 

Yes. A drunk girl was fighting a cop once when I was watching, and he said "I don't want to hurtchya. Calm down...."

 

My sis is studying to be a cop and yes, when they restrain people, they don't want people to fight it. Have you noticed that? It's not just for the safety of the police officer;it's also for the safety and wellbeing of the person being arrested. Most police officers hopefully don't want to hurt the person they are restraining, not unless they're super mad.

[Chrome Barracuda]

The minute she acts stupid is the minute I hang up the phone. If she has issues and is clearly using you or being stupid why would any man tolerate that. there's other women out there that's gonna be open to you. I'd rather be with them. than to be interested in a bitch that cannot love me just because SHE has issues with men in her past.

[Tayla]

In reviewing most of the commentary I am presuming this is more on the modern societies then those of closed doors and third world countries?

One can speak on many levels to this discussion yet given the perspective of where you live and how its governed its difficult to make a general analysis without a starting point. And even then statistics can be manipulated as Sanskrit posts indicates.

[Woggle]

Another thing I notice is how a man is pure scum if he looks at porn even if his wife won't touch him but a woman has an affair because she is bored and that is perfectly okay.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Even now, women face biases that men don't. Overweight women earn less than fit women, but a man's weight doesn't affect his income. Women not only have to do their jobs well, they have to look good doing it.

 

And I'm not even going to get into the fact that jobs of equal levels of training and specialization pay very differently if they are traditionally male versus traditionally female.

 

In most professions women make less money simply because they work fewer hours.

 

I don't understand why I should pay MORE to see a female doctor just because she only works 20 hours a week... and wants to make as much as a 50hr per week male physician.

 

Also... I've seen guys face weight discrimination in the workplace. It's ubiquitous because health insurances charge just as much for obese men as women.

 

there are lots of women, including myself, who don't want a man to support them and don't want a man just to make babies with, they (and I) want men in their lives to be partners with, and because we don't "need" men, they men are less attracted to us.

There's really no way to win.

 

I think most women feel the same as you... until they decide it's not love anymore. At that point she usually tries to get as much money as possible from you and there seems to be no guilt about being completely ruthless.

 

You don't want a gold digger, we can all agree that is a bad way to be, but you think that if I am with you because I enjoy your company you are disposable? Like I said, can't win.

And in any case, in a dating relationship, the idea is that the two people enhance each other's lives. If that isn't happening, the relationship needs to end, so in a sense, all dating relationships are disposable.

 

Do you think golddigger types are some rare and impossible to understand type of woman?

 

They want the same things you do. They are willing to take money from one guy who has it... so they can move on with someone they love.

 

Company, companionship, sex, friendship, support, mutual enjoyment of eachother's company.

 

But... if you can get that from a guy you love... and then make a guy you don't love pay you money. Why not?

 

Another thing I notice is how a man is pure scum if he looks at porn even if his wife won't touch him but a woman has an affair because she is bored and that is perfectly okay.

 

Actually... from what I've experienced. If your GF or wife cheats on you... it's your fault.