SteveC80 Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Whenver women are called out for being just as shallow as Men some women will come in and say well if all women wer shallow i wouldnt be with my boyfriend Do you actually think thats a compliment to your boyfriebd? Do you think your boyfriend would enjoy hearing you dont find him physically attratcive? How would you feel if your boyfriend said he likes you for who you are but doesnt think youre all that hot I would hate to be with somebody who doesnt find me hot physically
donnamaybe Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 This thread is kinda - well... Anyway, the personality DOES make them physically attractive. At least once we're past our teenage years.
flying Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Whenver women are called out for being just as shallow as Men some women will come in and say well if all women wer shallow i wouldnt be with my boyfriend Do you actually think thats a compliment to your boyfriebd? Do you think your boyfriend would enjoy hearing you dont find him physically attratcive? How would you feel if your boyfriend said he likes you for who you are but doesnt think youre all that hot I would hate to be with somebody who doesnt find me hot physically I see you doing a lot of calling women out for being shallow on this site...ok cool, that's your thing. But can you just show me a bunch of links to the kinds of comments you're talking about though? Tough to comment without seeing it.
TaraMaiden Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 this isn't another 'stupud' thread, is it.....?
meerkat stew Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) Women and men are equally looks-motivated as far as the bell curve goes, else you would see ads targeted at women with models looking like Phillip Seymour Hoffman doing the noble, cool things women say they value in men. The only guys that do look like that in advertising are the "clown/buffoon" husband stereotypes who rely entirely on their infinitely wise and compassionate wives to keep them fed and clothed, else they would quickly degenerate into slobbering blobs of penury. The difference is that the male response to "you are into looks to a degree that suggests superficiality," is "yeah, so what," and refreshingly, more and more women are coming into the "yeah so what" camp also. This is refreshing because it suggests a certain level of emotional health, and acceptance of our human foibles. The prevalent female response, though, remains to rationalize such accusations of superficiality as untrue and that it is actually "other noble qualities" in their 6'4" handsome BF that fuel their attraction. A certain subset of women can not accept any indictment, no matter how minor, that would suggest any inkling of a character flaw, any potential hook to hang accountability on. Wonder why that is? Edited September 14, 2010 by meerkat stew
donnamaybe Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 The prevalent female response, though, remains to rationalize such accusations of superficiality as untrue and that it is actually "other noble qualities" in their 6'4" handsome BF that fuel their attraction. A certain subset of women can not accept any indictment, no matter how minor, that would suggest any inkling of a character flaw, any potential hook to hang accountability on. Wonder why that is?Oh, good gawd. Sorry, but my guy, though I think he is handsome, is 10 years older than I am and nowhere NEAR 6 feet tall. Problem with his height, though, is that he is constantly stepping on his penis. Oops. That would be a shallow attraction thing, wouldn't it?
flying Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Oh, good gawd. Sorry, but my guy, though I think he is handsome, is 10 years older than I am and nowhere NEAR 6 feet tall. Problem with his height, though, is that he is constantly stepping on his penis. Oops. That would be a shallow attraction thing, wouldn't it? :lmao: Donna! Now how would your guy feel if he knew you talked about him that way??
donnamaybe Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 :lmao: Donna! Now how would your guy feel if he knew you talked about him that way??He LOVES it when I talk about him that way!
Anela Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 If someone looks good, he has to have a decent personality/be a decent person, to back it up. Don't a lot of the pick-up artists out there, teach men to get women despite their looks?
meerkat stew Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Sorry, but my guy, though I think he is handsome, is 10 years older than I am and nowhere NEAR 6 feet tall. Problem with his height, though, is that he is constantly stepping on his penis. So you are saying that you are into looks, right? as all you mention are his height and penis, not the typical female rationalizations of why they are with a certain guy. There's nothing wrong with that, and I challenge you to find any implication in my post where I state that's superficial. Try reading my posts next time, as opposed to taking certain parts of them out of context.
Author SteveC80 Posted September 14, 2010 Author Posted September 14, 2010 Women and men are equally looks-motivated as far as the bell curve goes, else you would see ads targeted at women with models looking like Phillip Seymour Hoffman doing the noble, cool things women say they value in men. The only guys that do look like that in advertising are the "clown/buffoon" husband stereotypes who rely entirely on their infinitely wise and compassionate wives to keep them fed and clothed, else they would quickly degenerate into slobbering blobs of penury. The difference is that the male response to "you are into looks to a degree that suggests superficiality," is "yeah, so what," and refreshingly, more and more women are coming into the "yeah so what" camp also. This is refreshing because it suggests a certain level of emotional health, and acceptance of our human foibles. The prevalent female response, though, remains to rationalize such accusations of superficiality as untrue and that it is actually "other noble qualities" in their 6'4" handsome BF that fuel their attraction. A certain subset of women can not accept any indictment, no matter how minor, that would suggest any inkling of a character flaw, any potential hook to hang accountability on. Wonder why that is? Im not knocking women for it hell my looks have gotten me so many women when i lacked in other areas im not complaining:laugh: Were all superficial even ugly people they just cant afford to be superficial My problem with eomen is they cant admit it,theyll use code words like confidence to put on good looking guys to make it seem like it wasnt his greta face and body that initally caught em Lastly Men seem to catch more sh&t for being superficical.We get called pigs animals etc for saying we like specific types hot women etc where women can go off on features they like and put down features they dont or say how they dont like when unattractive Men approach them yet arent killed for it like Men are
Anela Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Whenver women are called out for being just as shallow as Men some women will come in and say well if all women wer shallow i wouldnt be with my boyfriend Do you actually think thats a compliment to your boyfriebd? Do you think your boyfriend would enjoy hearing you dont find him physically attratcive? How would you feel if your boyfriend said he likes you for who you are but doesnt think youre all that hot I would hate to be with somebody who doesnt find me hot physically I do agree with you here - I wouldn't like that. I think that's one of the big issues when it comes to things such as porn use by men (and what I mentioned in the other thread: talk from men, at least online, about how all men will want the younger, hotter woman, how most of us will never be good enough to keep someone satisfied... )
donnamaybe Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 So you are saying that you are into looks, right? as all you mention are his height and penis, not the typical female rationalizations of why they are with a certain guy. There's nothing wrong with that, and I challenge you to find any implication in my post where I state that's superficial. Try reading my posts next time, as opposed to taking certain parts of them out of context. I read it. It's just that you ALWAYS manage to slip in some denigrating remark toward women. It gets old, and VERY predictable. Of course EVERYONE is into looks to a degree. If my guy had the personality (and penis) that he has BUT never brushed his teeth (ISH!) I would NEVER have gone out with him. But that's kind of a yuck thing, not a "he is easy on the eye" thing. If he were who he was and was a knuckle dragging, lumpy headed, quasi moto type of guy they didn't make a bag big enough for, no I probably wouldn't have dated him. But seriously - how many of the whiners on LS who claim they are undatable are REALLY that bad? None, I would wager.
Anela Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 This thread is kinda - well... Anyway, the personality DOES make them physically attractive. At least once we're past our teenage years. Yep. (Oops, I've been told this was too short, so I'm adding this.) The guy I've mentioned in a couple of other threads, is pretty cute. When he was good/warm/friendly/encouraging, etc... I felt like this: When he was a douche, when I found out about the two hookers, and then his trying to control the way I communicated with him, his not taking responsibility... I felt like this: and this for having wasted any emotional energy on him in the first place, good or bad.
meerkat stew Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 theyll use code words like confidence to put on good looking guys to make it seem like it wasnt his greta face and body that initally caught em I had a female boss back in the 80s. She was a good looking woman married to a good looking man. We would often have a beer after work and she told me on several occasions "don't let women tell you otherwise, it's all about looks with us, just like you men." I believed her, and this has been borne out in my sexual life hundreds of times since then. I have been the better looking guy who easily takes the girl from a certain pool, and the medium looking guy in a pool of model looking men who easily has the girl taken away. The women in question weren't selecting on intelligence or kindness or any other cerebral quality, just looks alone, just like us. Now this is not the fault of either gender. Everything other than looks is hard to find out, hard to discern, and can be faked more facilely than even looks can. If I had a nickel for every moron walking around claiming to have a "genius" IQ, I'd be rich. Serial killers are intelligent. Psychopaths can feign kindness. Looks are the best indicator of genetic health and quality, so that's what we go by. It's that simple, male and female. As you say, the only -bad- thing in all this is the tendency of certain women to lie about it, as they feel admitting they are into looks says something bad about them. These lies cause INFINITE levels of confusion among men, and are responsible for so many "WTF?!" threads here and elsewhere, maybe for the entirety of the PUA industry from men who are told one thing by women, yet shown anoher in a blunt, even brutal fashion.
meerkat stew Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 It's just that you ALWAYS manage to slip in some denigrating remark toward women. It gets old, and VERY predictable. Perhaps instead of worrying about the above, which gets old, and VERY predictable, you might actually consider discussing the topic? My posts have been in furtherance of a topical discussion here. It's yours, and other female posters here whose posts have not been. Or rather do you think women select on looks to the same extent men do or not? It's a simple question (which incidentally has NOTHING to do with whether YOU personally select mostly on looks or not, I referenced the bell curve in the first line of my first post to this thread for a reason). If women would actually DISCUSS THE ISSUE AT HAND as opposed to mealy-mouthing, rationalizing, shaming, and troll-calling, male posters wouldn't get so frustrated and generalizing here. Based on my experience and my many friends', and many posts here, the statement that many women who claim that it isn't mostly about looks are being disingenuous has lots of merit.
Author SteveC80 Posted September 14, 2010 Author Posted September 14, 2010 I had a female boss back in the 80s. She was a good looking woman married to a good looking man. We would often have a beer after work and she told me on several occasions "don't let women tell you otherwise, it's all about looks with us, just like you men." I believed her, and this has been borne out in my sexual life hundreds of times since then. I have been the better looking guy who easily takes the girl from a certain pool, and the medium looking guy in a pool of model looking men who easily has the girl taken away. The women in question weren't selecting on intelligence or kindness or any other cerebral quality, just looks alone, just like us. Now this is not the fault of either gender. Everything other than looks is hard to find out, hard to discern, and can be faked more facilely than even looks can. If I had a nickel for every moron walking around claiming to have a "genius" IQ, I'd be rich. Serial killers are intelligent. Psychopaths can feign kindness. Looks are the best indicator of genetic health and quality, so that's what we go by. It's that simple, male and female. As you say, the only -bad- thing in all this is the tendency of certain women to lie about it, as they feel admitting they are into looks says something bad about them. These lies cause INFINITE levels of confusion among men, and are responsible for so many "WTF?!" threads here and elsewhere, maybe for the entirety of the PUA industry from men who are told one thing by women, yet shown anoher in a blunt, even brutal fashion. Same here i witnessed this stuff first hand being supposenly an extremely good looking guy i think women are even more shallow then dudes from what ive ben through Id say hundreds of married women offered to sleep wit me not becasue im a charmer but just off my looks alone,ive had friends wives who are come off as completely classy non slutty women flirt with me unmercifully and gawk at me If you are a 9 or 10 guy you can have your way with most women married or not
Anela Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 So, you're going to stick with your own assumptions. I've turned down guys who were good to look at, because I didn't like being seen as something to be used.
Woggle Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 They are full of it and in time they will lose all interest in these men. Looks, money and power are what really matters.
GooseChaser Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Is it really that strange of an idea that we might like a guy's confidence and personality, as well as his appearance? Both matter. Anyway, people have the right to have any preferences they want in selecting a mate, and if they want someone who has good looks but no personality, that's their choice. Is that a problem?
Author SteveC80 Posted September 14, 2010 Author Posted September 14, 2010 Is it really that strange of an idea that we might like a guy's confidence and personality, as well as his appearance? Both matter. Anyway, people have the right to have any preferences they want in selecting a mate, and if they want someone who has good looks but no personality, that's their choice. Is that a problem? Nobodies saying its wrong at all where saying women arent honest when it comes to how important looks are to them
Anela Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Looks fade (yes, for men, too!), and if that powerful man goes on a power trip where the woman (or women) in his life are concerned, then that's a turn-off. Unless you're specifically looking for a shallow bimbo to f**k until you get bored.
Anela Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Nobodies saying its wrong at all where saying women arent honest when it comes to how important looks are to them If it wouldn't compromise their privacy, I'd post a picture of my sister and her boyfriend. She's in love with him, he isn't young, isn't handsome, and isn't rich, whereas she could have her pick of younger, hotter-looking men.
GooseChaser Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Nobodies saying its wrong at all where saying women arent honest when it comes to how important looks are to them That's often true that women understate how important looks are. They don't want to be seen as shallow. Still, the important thing is that you know that women really do care about looks, and knowing that will help you! Hey, maybe that knowledge could give you an upper hand versus other men who don't! Look on the bright side!
PJKino Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Im aware of the power of looks which is why i dont approach women,i dont fele like getting rejected by hundreds of women and hope one maybe tolerates my looks enough to give me a shot but isnt really that attracted to me physcially.. I love the whole "confidence" thing people try to give you that bs that cofnidence will make most women attracted to you..Hillarious.. Im almost finally at peace with a women never being attracted to me
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