Author Woggle Posted January 10, 2010 Author Posted January 10, 2010 Woggle , how is your marriage doing ? Very good. The fact that I am fully aware that most women are simply not worth it does not keep me from appreiating one of the very few that are.
temple Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 "How many women here will admit they're a misandrist" I fail to understand what purpose this little study will serve?
Author Woggle Posted January 10, 2010 Author Posted January 10, 2010 "How many women here will admit they're a misandrist" I fail to understand what purpose this little study will serve? It is my belief that the majority of women deep down are misandrists and I wish more would be honest.
carhill Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 I've had a lifelong curiosity as to when I'll actually hear a woman admit to a negatively perceived behavior. My stbx managed to divorce me without admitting any negative behaviors at all. The failure of our M was entirely my fault. I can only imagine what hallowed ground that must be to occupy; one of such omnipotence and superiority Glad to hear the M's going good Wog's. You certainly deserve it after the crap you've been through. Best wishes
temple Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 It is my belief that the majority of women deep down are misandrists and I wish more would be honest. Ah, I see. But will the answer, whatever it might be, really make you feel any better?
Mary3 Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Very good. The fact that I am fully aware that most women are simply not worth it does not keep me from appreiating one of the very few that are. So as a whole , you think most women hate men ? What happened to you as a child ? Most women don't feel this way... I can clarify that I love men. Their strong bodies , their smile , their presence , their strength and their * equipment *...The only thing I don't like about ( some ) men is that they are close minded when it comes to talking about how they feel. I know they are hardwired to not reveal their true feelings...Its just a Venus and Mars difference...
Mary3 Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Very good. The fact that I am fully aware that most women are simply not worth it does not keep me from appreiating one of the very few that are. Somehow after re~reading this statement I doubt you marriage is as good as you say. You harbor so much hatred for women in general and have touted your biased beliefs here for 4 years or longer...
carhill Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 'Yeah, all these scummy men hit on me every day, even though they see my wedding ring and know I'm married. I'm so glad I have a wonderful husband to go home to every night ' One simplistic example of how one specific woman can despise men for their incorrigible behaviors but yet, at the same time, adore the man she loves. Not uncommon at all, if my listening to women 'vent' in real life is any sort of datapoint.
norajane Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Very good. The fact that I am fully aware that most women are simply not worth it does not keep me from appreiating one of the very few that are. It's too bad that your appreciation of your wife doesn't keep you happy and focused on the positive, instead of constantly focusing on the negative and looking for it in the places that you're guaranteed to find it (those infidelity boards you frequent). Why keep tormenting yourself like that? You've got it good, so enjoy it. Don't ruin it for yourself by continually searching out and expecting the worst.
meerkat stew Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Beautifully phrased, and maybe full of straw men (do straw men obsess over straw women?) When men are obsessed by women, and feel frustrated by their inability to get laid, Straw man the first. Are you sure about this? Are you sure that the source of the frustration is the inability to "get laid?" is that really all we are about? Received late 20th century feminized socio-political dogma does indeed dictate that we men are all just about getting laid, and that anything men happen to accomplish in life is due to the sublimation of that urge. Does that statement ring true, though? Does it sound some politicized, even a little? just a little hollow? How many men on this forum gripe about not getting laid? Isn't it rather that they gripe about not being accepted in a broader sense? That they also gripe about an unlevel playing field socially? That they gripe about women being unaccountable for their social behavior? If you can admit this, what is the true source of this non-acceptance and feeling of unfairness? Is it possible that the social/dating theater happens to be the primary exposure of men to a much more pervasive cultural issue than "why Suzy won't date a 5'7" man?" Is it possible that laying blame on women is only the superficial response, that there are deeper socio-cultural issues at play creating a feeling of rejection and alienation in many men? To be more blunt, is it possible that many men have a distinct feeling of being bent over and "reamed up the ass" these days socially, culturally, and especially politically? You may respond that we are only considering a small subset, the lunatic fringe, of the larger male population who are generally happy, sure about that? How would, say, J.S. Bach respond to the claim that his creativity was all in his loins? that it was lust, and not religious fervor that guided his hand? Is it possible that some or much of the aforementioned frustration comes from a general social or political angst at being typified as such? Or must it be, as media would lead us to believe, "all about the johnson?" How about the statement, "women are all about the womb, and everything they do or say is colored and tainted by the extent to which their child-bearing urges have been satisfied," would that statement be the equivalent of your statement above? If so, how does that sit with you? Is it fair? Aren't the generalizations implied in your statement above methods of compartmentalization and control? If so, how are they different from any other propaganda? Does the object of the propagandist enjoy the process of being compartmentalized and controlled? Is it possible that there is a socio-political propaganda campaign in place that is designed to control men towards political ends? And finally, to this point, can a man go and study those forces in his local university "men's studies" department? He can't? Why not? The blithe answer is that the whole university is about men's studies, is this accurate though? That's enough for one reply, and really contains only one question. That question is "Is there any hint of prejudice in your quote above, and if so, what is the foundation of that prejudice?"
soserious1 Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Everybody hides something from their spouse. I treat my wife well and she knows it so that is all that matters. I do love her but I can never fully trust a female. It is one of the reasons I don't want kids. I can take betrayel and bounce back but I will not have my kids growing up in a broken home because my wife turns on me. It's really funny how most women on here say that their friends are unhappy in their marriages and resent their husbands but when I say the same thing I am wrong. When I encourage men not to end like these women's husbads I am wrong. Well my ex-husband didn't, he's banging a smoking hot woman 22 yrs his junior and he collects $2,750 per month from me in alimony plus health insurance and all co-pays. I got the cat and plenty of time to stare in the mirror at my wrinkled, haggard face and shriveled tits. It is indeed a man's world:)
GAchasen Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 I don't hate men. But I do hate the way society raised them.... I hate that I don't understand how they think, what they truly want out of life, and why I get my heart broken so much. But I don't hate them. They make me feel very good, lol.
tami-chan Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 ...the moderator or owner of a forum acts as the governing body or the equivalent of "legal tender legislation" and therefore any opinion comment or post that is deemed acceptable for that forum whether valid or not (real currency or lesser valued one) will stay up and be considered acceptable currency. Those that are not are completely removed from the system. While yes, it is subjective and solely upon the discretion of said governing body to determine what is acceptable free speech and what is not, ultimately they will decide if the comment or currency stays in the system giving all opinion equivalent value. You decide what's bad and what's good, it's all worth $0.02 at the end of the day but the organic comments are going to have more sentimental value for people.Will you reconcile these two statements?
soserious1 Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Btw, part of healing from my divorce has been to come to terms with the fact that the only person responsible for my poor romantic choices has been "me". The fact that I'm a social loser who's facing the last 1/3 of her life alone and basically just living to pay alimony is me, I made piss poor choices, now I must put on my big girl panties, own those choices and get over it. To be totally candid, the only person I "hate" at this point is myself, for a supposedly bright woman I made some really, really regrettable choices.
Rhythmic Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Beautifully phrased, and maybe full of straw men (do straw men obsess over straw women?) Straw man the first. Are you sure about this? Are you sure that the source of the frustration is the inability to "get laid?" is that really all we are about? Received late 20th century feminized socio-political dogma does indeed dictate that we men are all just about getting laid, and that anything men happen to accomplish in life is due to the sublimation of that urge. Does that statement ring true, though? Does it sound some politicized, even a little? just a little hollow? How many men on this forum gripe about not getting laid? Isn't it rather that they gripe about not being accepted in a broader sense? That they also gripe about an unlevel playing field socially? That they gripe about women being unaccountable for their social behavior? If you can admit this, what is the true source of this non-acceptance and feeling of unfairness? Is it possible that the social/dating theater happens to be the primary exposure of men to a much more pervasive cultural issue than "why Suzy won't date a 5'7" man?" Is it possible that laying blame on women is only the superficial response, that there are deeper socio-cultural issues at play creating a feeling of rejection and alienation in many men? To be more blunt, is it possible that many men have a distinct feeling of being bent over and "reamed up the ass" these days socially, culturally, and especially politically? You may respond that we are only considering a small subset, the lunatic fringe, of the larger male population who are generally happy, sure about that? How would, say, J.S. Bach respond to the claim that his creativity was all in his loins? that it was lust, and not religious fervor that guided his hand? Is it possible that some or much of the aforementioned frustration comes from a general social or political angst at being typified as such? Or must it be, as media would lead us to believe, "all about the johnson?" How about the statement, "women are all about the womb, and everything they do or say is colored and tainted by the extent to which their child-bearing urges have been satisfied," would that statement be the equivalent of your statement above? If so, how does that sit with you? Is it fair? Aren't the generalizations implied in your statement above methods of compartmentalization and control? If so, how are they different from any other propaganda? Does the object of the propagandist enjoy the process of being compartmentalized and controlled? Is it possible that there is a socio-political propaganda campaign in place that is designed to control men towards political ends? And finally, to this point, can a man go and study those forces in his local university "men's studies" department? He can't? Why not? The blithe answer is that the whole university is about men's studies, is this accurate though? That's enough for one reply, and really contains only one question. That question is "Is there any hint of prejudice in your quote above, and if so, what is the foundation of that prejudice?" Re quoting this and putting emphasis on that last paragraph so nobody misses this and hopefully somebody honestly tries to answer this since last post of a page are often overlooked. Probably just be met with insults though.
Mary3 Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 It's too bad that your appreciation of your wife doesn't keep you happy and focused on the positive, instead of constantly focusing on the negative and looking for it in the places that you're guaranteed to find it (those infidelity boards you frequent). Why keep tormenting yourself like that? You've got it good, so enjoy it. Don't ruin it for yourself by continually searching out and expecting the worst. I think Woggle suffers from a toxic sickness so severe there is no help for his malady. He is very bigoted and even if he had the best marriage on the planet, you will find him on the infidelity boards, because he does not believe in himself enough or his wife to have a great marriage. He will always be the first to start misogynist posts...
grogster Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Is it possible that there is a socio-political propaganda campaign in place that is designed to control men towards political ends? And finally, to this point, can a man go and study those forces in his local university "men's studies" department? He can't? Why not? The blithe answer is that the whole university is about men's studies, is this accurate though?If there's a "socio-political propaganda campaign" to "control" men, it's not working. Many guys simply do what they want when they want and pity those women who get in their way or who don't respond as demanded: wives, girl friends, women who reject men. Reality, in the form of crime statistics, undermines this gender paranoia. And if the lack of university men's studies programs explains this inchoate male rage against smart, successful, independent women, my advice is please get a life.
meerkat stew Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) If there's a "socio-political propaganda campaign" to "control" men, it's not working. Many guys simply do what they want when they want and pity those women who get in their way or who don't respond as demanded: wives, girl friends, women who reject men. Reality, in the form of crime statistics, undermines this gender paranoia. And if the lack of university men's studies programs explains this inchoate male rage against smart, successful, independent women, my advice is please get a life. Straight out of the manual, eh? Divert any discussion of male alienation or male issues generally back to the tiny subset of socially deviant men and their socially deviant behavior. By the book, and thus QED of my reply. Thanks. Incidentally, how many of those crime statistics are in fact reflective of the explosion of incarceration of marijuana criminals (to keep the demon weed out of our children's hands), debtors of child support in a country that supposedly abhors debtors prison in it's jurisprudence (put those deadbeat dads under the jail!), etc., rather than any increase in violent crime? EDIT: Nice (and florid!) straw man stacking on the "inchoate rage" against successful women, again by the book. Don't be too predictable now! Edited January 10, 2010 by meerkat stew
Taramere Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Straw man the first. Are you sure about this? Are you sure that the source of the frustration is the inability to "get laid?" is that really all we are about? Received late 20th century feminized socio-political dogma does indeed dictate that we men are all just about getting laid, and that anything men happen to accomplish in life is due to the sublimation of that urge. Does that statement ring true, though? Does it sound some politicized, even a little? just a little hollow? How many men on this forum gripe about not getting laid? Isn't it rather that they gripe about not being accepted in a broader sense? You're blaming feminism for creating the sense that male interest in women is restricted to having sex with them, when there are entire men's rights/anti-feminist forums out there advocating exactly that mindset to men. And something tells me you have probably posted on some of those sites in the past, so I feel sure you know the type of forum I mean. As I understand feminism, one of its aim was to free people from the pressure to adhere to socially prescribed roles that they weren't personally suited to....and that that applied to men as well as to women. There are some men who welcome that philosophy, and others who it seems to drive into a state of confusion. Some people do seem to need stereotypical notions of who and what they're supposed to be, in order to feel they have an identity. Go over to a predominantly male board, and invariably there will be a thread or two about what it means to be a man...with lots of contributions (from men) about what "real men" say and do. In terms of dealing with women, it's usually along the lines of "not taking her ****", recognising that a ho is just a ho, etc etc. Feminism isn't requesting that they do that in order to adhere to some insulting stereotype of what a man is. They're making the choice themselves...and if there's any social pressure involved there, it's coming from other men. So going onto your sense of embittered men wanting acceptance from women, what do you see that acceptance looking like? What is it that you are asking women to accept that you believe we aren't accepting? That they also gripe about an unlevel playing field socially? That they gripe about women being unaccountable for their social behavior? If you can admit this, what is the true source of this non-acceptance and feeling of unfairness? Is it possible that the social/dating theater happens to be the primary exposure of men to a much more pervasive cultural issue than "why Suzy won't date a 5'7" man?" The source is quite evident. It lies with the choices they're making, and their ability (or not) to not conform to certain norms where they personally feel those norms are wrong or unfair. Leaving the generalised "they" aside, there are clearly issues here that you personally feel strongly about. In what sense are women unaccountable for their social behaviour? What social behaviour are you talking about? If a man doesn't like the way a particular woman behaves, is he not capable of telling her that - and walking away if there's no likelihood of her changing? Why must a personal gripe be transformed into some kind of social manifesto? Is it possible that laying blame on women is only the superficial response, that there are deeper socio-cultural issues at play creating a feeling of rejection and alienation in many men? To be more blunt, is it possible that many men have a distinct feeling of being bent over and "reamed up the ass" these days socially, culturally, and especially politically? You may respond that we are only considering a small subset, the lunatic fringe, of the larger male population who are generally happy, sure about that? Hell's bells, Meerkat...you really are the ideal lawyer for a vexatious litigant to go to. Unfortunately what you evidently lack is an ability to detach emotionally and look at an issue from both sides, and that's a serious failing in any lawyer. I honestly can't imagine how you cope in practice if you get this embroiled in "society as persecutor, man as victim" thinking. What is this ass-reaming of which you speak? Are you talking about child support measures? Laws preventing men from having sex with 14 year old girls? Laws protecting people from sexual harassment in the workplace? How would, say, J.S. Bach respond to the claim that his creativity was all in his loins? that it was lust, and not religious fervor that guided his hand? Is it possible that some or much of the aforementioned frustration comes from a general social or political angst at being typified as such? Or must it be, as media would lead us to believe, "all about the johnson?" How about the statement, "women are all about the womb, and everything they do or say is colored and tainted by the extent to which their child-bearing urges have been satisfied," would that statement be the equivalent of your statement above? If so, how does that sit with you? Is it fair? I wouldn't generally bother contemplating the statement. Probably like most women, I tend to shrug off most of the generalisations that are dispensed about women....because there are so many. This might be why I have limited patience with men who are unable to do the same. The fact that some guy believes that women are all about the womb, everything is tainted by child-bearing urges etc has no bearing on my life. It won't stop me from doing what I want to do in life. It won't stop me from expressing my opinion.....it's not something I regard as oppressive or an obstacle. It's a minor irritation - nothing more. As an example - the popularly mentioned stupid father in the sitcom. Big whoop. There's also the interfering mother-in-law, the dopey blonde daughter, the nagging wife....all manner of insulting stereotypes. Yet for some reason, men seem to think this dopey dad stereotype is some great social ill that must be addressed. It's laughable. Is it possible that there is a socio-political propaganda campaign in place that is designed to control men towards political ends? And finally, to this point, can a man go and study those forces in his local university "men's studies" department? He can't? Why not? The blithe answer is that the whole university is about men's studies, is this accurate though? I think I'd need a tin hat for this conversation. That's enough for one reply, and really contains only one question. That question is "Is there any hint of prejudice in your quote above, and if so, what is the foundation of that prejudice?" What's the foundation for my prejudice against whiners on message boards who blame women and society for all their problems? The question answers itself really.
Rhythmic Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) Many guys simply do what they want when they want and pity those women who get in their way or who don't respond as demanded: wives, girl friends, women who reject men. Reality, in the form of crime statistics, undermines this gender paranoia. Are you a white supremacist? Because they use this same line of reasoning to justify their racism against minorities as well. Edited January 10, 2010 by Rhythmic
Mary3 Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 I think Woggle has a private war going on in his head that he can never win...
threebyfate Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 I think Woggle has a private war going on in his head that he can never win...Wow, now that's a perfect way to describe it! Woggle in shining white armour battling hoards of women in black armour, visors down. If Woggle would lay down his arms and ask the women to lift their visors, he would see they're not women at all, just his own face behind every visor.
Taramere Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Wow, now that's a perfect way to describe it! Woggle in shining white armour battling hoards of women in black armour, visors down. If Woggle would lay down his arms and ask the women to lift their visors, he would see they're not women at all, just his own face behind every visor. Wow - that's some imagery. It sounds like something out of the Twilight Zone.
Mary3 Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 Wow, now that's a perfect way to describe it! Woggle in shining white armour battling hoards of women in black armour, visors down. If Woggle would lay down his arms and ask the women to lift their visors, he would see they're not women at all, just his own face behind every visor. Thank you..
Rhythmic Posted January 10, 2010 Posted January 10, 2010 What's the foundation for my prejudice against whiners on message boards who blame women and society for all their problems? The question answers itself really. As somebody who has been posting to different forums for a decade now. One thing I have noticed in the last few years is an increase in post by these "whiners who blame women and society for all their problems" I would only see them now and then years ago. Nowadays any forum that has a section dealing with relationships always has a few and even in forums without one will have multiple ones pipe in whenever there is a topic concerning relationships. For all these years they always get yelled at with the same insults as well. Stop whining about not getting "laid" blah blah blah. One youtube there are a bunch of them making vlog post all the time and they infest the comments section. Same with ustream, stickam and justintv. I would think at some point people would stop and wonder if it really is all about whining about not getting laid or is there something more since there seems to be more and more of them all throughout the internet as time goes on and that it is NOT a great idea to marginalize whatever issue they are having as simple whining and that they should just stfu. I figured this would have started happening after George Sodini went nuts but not yet I suppose.
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