Trialbyfire Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Which one? I left the casino during my second pregnancy. I could have advanced in there but my heart wasn't in it because it wasn't conducive to having children. The hours were crazy. Holidays were theirs. If I wanted to become anything in that casino I could have became it. As it stands I am able to return there if I want. But the hours are still the same and it is still not in agreement with having children. The second one was what I went to college for. I was asked by the judge repeatedly to come and work there. It was in Civil Service. Are you satisfied now? Oh that's right. It's you. You are never satisified. Silly me. Oh wow, you gave up a casino job and a civil service job? Aren't you an amazing SAHM to want to do all that just for your children. Somehow, I doubt it was much to give up...
MindoverMatter Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 No, I am out. You have turned this into a silly thread. It's all about looking down on those that don't share your opinion. I am surprised, and disappointed and will be very careful when I read you saying that you respect other people's choice from now on. Sad. Byebye now.
Trialbyfire Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 No, I am out. You have turned this into a silly thread. It's all about looking down on those that don't share your opinion. I am surprised, and disappointed and will be very careful when I read you saying that you respect other people's choice from now on. Sad. Byebye now. Thanks for bashing me throughout this thread. I noticed that you solely saw one side of this equation, only the one side you agreed with. Hmmm... That's pretty pathetic.
amaysngrace Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Somehow, I doubt it was much to give up... Again with your assumptions TBF. Like I am saying for the third time, you speak of things you do not know. And if you are this pleasant IRL I highly doubt you ever will know unless you go in vitro.
MindoverMatter Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 I noticed that you solely saw one side of this equation, only the one side you agreed with. No. I, for one, don't think that the working part in working mothers makes them any less good or loving as a stay at home mom. (Or Dad, actually, I don't see a big difference between sahm or sahd.) [...] But if your view of good parenting differs than okay. [...] I am sure you will provide for your future children. Maybe you will never have to deal with the temper tantrums and teething agony because nanny will take of it. And your children will love you anyway. But your reality is just one of many and you shouldn't assume you know everything about everybody else. [...] On the other hand, I think that labelling working parents as selfish goes too far. I have also said that I see good arguments on both sides. What I did, however, was call you out on not respecting others in this thread. Call me pathetic, if you want. I don't care.
Touche Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Branch manager for a staffing agency is not a real career. It's a job. Says who? You? Too funny! I guess you think that my company before that teaching and translating spanish and french was also just a "job" right? You do crack me up. So only TBF gets to decide who has a job and who has a career, right? Ok, I get it now. Who cares? Again, being a mother beats any "job" or "career" any day. Like I said, I hope you're lucky enough to find that out some day. MOM, why are you surprised? True colors are coming out aren't they? TBF, you should be ashamed of yourself. I didn't really hate my job. I hated the time it took away from my child and my family though. That's true. I don't think you really can grasp that concept though. Some women don't trust that they can have an equal relationship with a man. Like I said before...unless they can make as much money if not more than their partner they feel like they have no worth. I get that. Do you?
Trialbyfire Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Again with your assumptions TBF. Like I am saying for the third time, you speak of things you do not know. And if you are this pleasant IRL I highly doubt you ever will know unless you go in vitro. There's no assumption in stating that you believe that every woman wants to stay at home. This means that it must include you. If so, you couldn't be giving up much, because it's what you wanted to do. Not to worry, I have no problems with finding mates. The difficulty is whether or not I want to keep them. I think I've found the right man for me, my snowman but time will tell whether this works or not.
Touche Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Again with your assumptions TBF. Like I am saying for the third time, you speak of things you do not know. And if you are this pleasant IRL I highly doubt you ever will know unless you go in vitro. I didn't want to say it but I have to admit I was thinking the same thing. Yikes!
Trialbyfire Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Touche, it's nothing to give up a job that you hated. That's fact so don't even bother distracting from it.
Dumbledore Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 There's no assumption in stating that you believe that every woman wants to stay at home. You couldn't be more wrong. She didn't want to stay home, but she made that personal sacrifice for the well-being off her children. And now I'm feeding the ego!
Trialbyfire Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 I have also said that I see good arguments on both sides. What I did, however, was call you out on not respecting others in this thread. Call me pathetic, if you want. I don't care. So...it's okay for people not to respect me but not okay the other way around. Got it. Or maybe you're unable to see some side-swipes. I guess that's not your fault for being unable to do so.
Touche Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Touche, it's nothing to give up a job that you hated. That's fact so don't even bother distracting from it. Hello? Again...I hated it for the time it took away from our son and my family. Had I been single it would have been the perfect career for me. I was very good at it. Just wait and see how good your job is when and if you have kids. Then we'll talk, k? I don't think you understand the notion of sacrifice at all. I mean you've said you were spoiled rotten growing up so I don't expect you to ever understand giving up something for the good of something that is outside of yourself. I get that.
Touche Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 You couldn't be more wrong. She didn't want to stay home, but she made that personal sacrifice for the well-being off her children. And now I'm feeding the ego! STOP IT! JUST STOP IT!
Trialbyfire Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Hello? Again...I hated it for the time it took away from our son and my family. Had I been single it would have been the perfect career for me. I was very good at it. Just wait and see how good your job is when and if you have kids. Then we'll talk, k? I don't think you understand the notion of sacrifice at all. I mean you've said you were spoiled rotten growing up so I don't expect you to ever understand giving up something for the good of something that is outside of yourself. I get that. That's not true. You hated it your job because you self admitted that you were terrible with people and incapable of properly managing, because you wanted to be everyone's buddy but found they ran roughshod over you. You wanted to be liked, more than anything else. As for being spoiled growing up, sure, I did grow up without wanting anything. That doesn't mean there weren't high expectations for me. For that matter, you claimed to me that you were also not wanting. Are you now telling me that's not true?
MindoverMatter Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 I don't think you understand the notion of sacrifice at all. I mean you've said you were spoiled rotten growing up so I don't expect you to ever understand giving up something for the good of something that is outside of yourself. I get that. To be fair, unless you know TBF inside out, you can't know that. Your assumption is based on one statement (I think) and thus has as much value as TBFs evaluation ofr your parenting skills based on one phone call. (God, if I keep this up, everybody on loveshack will hate me before the month is over. How does Switzerland do it? Chocolate, anybody? )
amaysngrace Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 You couldn't be more wrong. She didn't want to stay home, but she made that personal sacrifice for the well-being of her children. And now I'm feeding the ego! Stop doing that then. It was a sacrifice and it kept me in my marriage three years longer than I wanted to be simply because I had no way out of my marriage. Anyway who cares? I don't. Good night.
Trialbyfire Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 To be fair, unless you know TBF inside out, you can't know that. Your assumption is based on one statement (I think) and thus has as much value as TBFs evaluation ofr your parenting skills based on one phone call. (God, if I keep this up, everybody on loveshack will hate me before the month is over. How does Switzerland do it? Chocolate, anybody? ) Touche and I IM'd, gmailed and talked on the phone for about a year and a half. We're not talking about one phone call...
Dumbledore Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 The narcissistic ego thrives by denigrating those with differing opinions, and will joyfully manipulate a thread to provide fodder for underhanded personal attacks.
MindoverMatter Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Touche and I IM'd, gmailed and talked on the phone for about a year and a half. We're not talking about one phone call... In that case I will of course withdraw any judgement of what EITHER of you has to say about each other. If you know her well enough to judge, the same goes for her, I guess. Dumbledore: Chocolate?
Dumbledore Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Stop doing that then. You're right. It's just fuelling more supercilious assumptions.
Touche Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 To be fair, unless you know TBF inside out, you can't know that. Your assumption is based on one statement (I think) and thus has as much value as TBFs evaluation ofr your parenting skills based on one phone call. (God, if I keep this up, everybody on loveshack will hate me before the month is over. How does Switzerland do it? Chocolate, anybody? ) You're very funny! Shoot, this is all so stupid. Yes, TBF is right we were kind of close for about a year and a half. But really how well can you know someone who you've never really met in person? It's clear that she doesn't really know me and I probably don't know her either. Whatever. Clearly we have different views on child-rearing (and what comprises a career! ) It's really fine with me. Our son is about to turn 13. We're doing great. I work alongside my husband. I run the household. It's all good. We're happy. That's all that matters. I hope she's happy too. When and if she has kids, she might or might not have a change of heart concerning her priorities and her "career" and how important that is. That remains to be seen.
Dumbledore Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Dumbledore: Chocolate? Thanks! Wait - do you promise not to ram it down my throat?
Trialbyfire Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 All I'm going to say is that there were a lot of untruths expressed in this thread. I'm appalled.
Touche Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 All I'm going to say is that there were a lot of untruths expressed in this thread. I'm appalled. Oh really? Care to elaborate? Are these your truths perhaps?
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