Author genki Posted November 30, 2007 Author Posted November 30, 2007 Slippery slope argument. Anal ain't my cup of tea, but to say it leads to bestiality??? Can you prove this?? I didnt imply that it would lead to beastiality just that morality in our socities and the distinction of whats right and whats not is so waning that now many guys want to anal screw a girl why when even they arent willing to be done so in return? because its getting more mainstream cool the thing to do and the man gets off feeling in charge in control and dominating. So now that sodomy is being accepted next well start thinking beastiality is right too. and after that other things.
sally4sara Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Oh, and about the sodomy thing...you know just in case you do believe in a Christian God. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't about homosexuality being evil. The city was destroyed because the people in it were breaking hospitality and the right to sanctuary. Look up the original text if you don't believe a tainted animal like myself. Its absolutely true.
Author genki Posted November 30, 2007 Author Posted November 30, 2007 sally and jilly; lol you really think this is about me not getting laid? I could have gotten laid way back when I was only 14. And I have lived here for 4years and you think I couldnt have gotten laid even here? And not to mention 4 years of college dorm life and still not? hahahahahah
sally4sara Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 sally and jilly; lol you really think this is about me not getting laid? I could have gotten laid way back when I was only 14. And I have lived here for 4years and you think I couldnt have gotten laid even here? And not to mention 4 years of college dorm life and still not? hahahahahah No sweetie. I believe you could've gotten laid. You've chosen not to unless certain standards are met. I think you are this pissed because you thought you saw the finish line and found out it was a mirage. But the fact that you read my post and didn't realize that stuns me.....or would've if I thought you capable of deep self-introspection.
Cobra_X30 Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 And you are free to NOT READ ANY POST YOU DON"T AGREE WITH. His puritanical morality aside, there's a lot more going on here than we see. Honestly, I'm not reading most of these posts. It takes one sentence to realize the intent is just to hurt. Like I said... I dont agree with Everything he thinks and says. I see that he has all kinds of issues. I'm also smart enough to realize that by throwing daggers at him the only person you serve is yourself. Go back & read his comments about how she "got" herself raped. He blames her for her own rape & questions her actions during and after the rape. I've posted links both recently & more upthread re: how loved ones can be supportive of rape survivors. He either can not or will not process that info. That's seriously disturbing, I really wonder about/fear for that poor gf of his. And I tend to agree with Tripper's take right above mine here. Huh, you are correct in this. However, I do not think he will be motivated at this point to be either supportive, or caring towards her, so long as he is on the fence about his ability to continue the relationship. One step at a time friend. He needs to make a choice FIRST. Cobra, despite all your weird spelling errors and bad sentence structures, you're right--I am being negative, and not helpful to genki's problem. Like I said, all of this hits very close to home with me, so it's hard to be sympathetic/objective. I will refrain from further posting in this thread, but I do have two last comments to make: 1) If you feel even an iota of caring for this girl, stop accusing her and get her to seek help, because she shows all the signs of a rape victim. Therapy worked for me, and it's worked for countless others; if she's still in post-secondary school, there's a good chance they have free counselling services that she could take advantage of. 2) Girls don't get raped because they got drunk, or wore revealing clothes (guys need to realize that the world DOESN'T revolve around them, and girls don't do things like this thinking of what some random guy's reaction will be); they get raped becuause there are terrible and sick people in the world. It's really terrible that you'd try to "blame" the victim, even partially, for what happens to them. LOL.... Wierd sentence structures? I hope my spelling errors are at least consistent. I am truely sorry for you pain. I do not think you share blame for what happened in any way. 1) Genki, This is the best advice you will recieve. Chariot is correct if you care for her in any way... even just on a friendship level, you will assist her in getting help. 2) Also Genki, Trusting that others will not take advantage of you... that makes you a good person... not a bad person. You are called on to proctect the weak, not to blame and deride them.
Jilly Bean Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 many guys want to anal screw a girl why when even they arent willing to be done so in return? Genki dear - isn't this because YOU would like to be "anally screwed"?
sally4sara Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Genki dear - isn't this because YOU would like to be "anally screwed"? I think it has more to do with the whole "pure" thing for him. Poo isn't "pure" so it grosses him out.
peridot Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 I've been fixated by this post, having just sat and read through it all. This guy seems truly mixed up to me. I've worked in psychiatry for many yrs and his belief system comes across as really fixed, rigid and obessional. There is no compassion displayed for his gf, as highlighted by others. His set of of ideals will be hard to appease and perhaps this serves a purpose for him, what I don't know! It's interesting that he has never responded to the question about where his beliefs came from. I have to wonder about his family life and early experiences. His beliefs about women are truly scarey, we are either virgins or whores!!
peridot Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 I also have to say, how on earth did he remember all that his therapist supposably said to him???? Did he tape it? Just didn't ring true to me. That's not therapy as I understand it or how it is given in our service!
sally4sara Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 I've been fixated by this post, having just sat and read through it all. This guy seems truly mixed up to me. I've worked in psychiatry for many yrs and his belief system comes across as really fixed, rigid and obessional. There is no compassion displayed for his gf, as highlighted by others. His set of of ideals will be hard to appease and perhaps this serves a purpose for him, what I don't know! It's interesting that he has never responded to the question about where his beliefs came from. I have to wonder about his family life and early experiences. His beliefs about women are truly scarey, we are either virgins or whores!! Yeah, his lack of response to that question gives me a shame vibe. Its like he is embarrassed to answer. If you believe something so whole heartedly, why would you not be willing to explain why you believe it. Its that detail that has me hoping this is all a gag. And I was also suspecting his therapy visit was false!
peridot Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 reading his rantings is like watching a really bad film that you know you should stop watching but you just can't bring yourself to miss the ending! But joking aside if this is really a true situation I do worry about his gf and the effect he would be having on her.
Jilly Bean Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Sally, I don't so much know if it was a gag, but I do think that he has manifested quite a bit of it. I have a hard time picturing this tiny diminutive girl dropping the level of detail he claims. Particularly when he continues to voice to her his displeasure in hearing said details. It's like a Pan-Asian version of American Pie ("...then this one time at band camp, I had this huge gang bang and I really liked it. I gave bjs and anal and everything! I was so popular. I then would have sex with some guy I didn't really know while his roommate was outside watching Reno 911 and listening to me moan in that way I do. Oh, that's right, you don't know, because you don't have sex. Anyway, I suspect your penis is probably going to be a lot smaller than the guy who raped me. But, since I have been analfied (sic), I am thinking about getting a dog, just for the hey of it."
sally4sara Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 You know, something else has occurred to me. Genki feels that staying a virgin till married is the only way to ensure happiness in a relationship. He won't say where he gets this opinion from, but that he firmly believes it and that is why he has stayed pure. He also has stated that because he has waited and she has not, staying with her means she gets to "have her cake and eat it too". He feels she doesn't deserve his virgin penis. So this means that he has stayed pure so he would deserve a virgin and not because he believes it is the right thing to do? Or if he is doing it because it is the right thing to do, then why does he feel he should be rewarded in some way? Thats kind of like expecting a trophy for respecting your parents or having a monument in your name for not drinking and driving because if not for the award aspect, what would be the point in respecting your parents or not driving drunk. Gosh, more reasons why this just doesn't add up.
Jilly Bean Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 I just think it feel like an episode of Criminal Minds in the making... You know, when they storm his efficiency apartment and find an alter with giant black dildos and Jesus Christ candles, with beastiality and gay porn videos in the corner...
Tripper Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 I didnt imply that it would lead to beastiality just that morality in our socities and the distinction of whats right and whats not is so waning that now many guys want to anal screw a girl why when even they arent willing to be done so in return? because its getting more mainstream cool the thing to do and the man gets off feeling in charge in control and dominating. So now that sodomy is being accepted next well start thinking beastiality is right too. and after that other things. It sounds like an implication to me. And saying "that sodomy is being accepted next well start thinking bestiality is right too. and after that other things." is still a slippery slope argument, just like weed is a gateway drug to heroin. Start with one and it will lead to the other.
Cobra_X30 Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 You know, something else has occurred to me. Genki feels that staying a virgin till married is the only way to ensure happiness in a relationship. He won't say where he gets this opinion from, but that he firmly believes it and that is why he has stayed pure. He also has stated that because he has waited and she has not, staying with her means she gets to "have her cake and eat it too". He feels she doesn't deserve his virgin penis. While your on the right track, I think you have missed the big picture. Genki is overtly concerned with fairness. That's what a good chunk of this is all about. Insecurity and and a feeling that this is unfair! As to why he wont tell you where his beliefs come from... That is not particularly suprising. Why would he? All you do is attack and belittle... only a fool would trust you with personal information based on your actions. I understand that Genki's beliefs and attitude is nothing short of offensive to you. The more you push and insult him the more defensive, entrenched, and extreme he will be. I dont understand why you dont see this also! Don't you get it? Part of the reason he seems as though he is ranting and raving is because you are pushing his anger buttons!
Tripper Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 r But joking aside if this is really a true situation I do worry about his gf and the effect he would be having on her. Peridot, in your professional opinion how do you see this playing out?? I find this guys attitudes/obsessions truly disturbing.
peridot Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Peridot, in your professional opinion how do you see this playing out?? I find this guys attitudes/obsessions truly disturbing. It is very disturbing. He is so fixated on himself, with so little recognition of the emotions involved for his gf. He really does come across as being an inadequate personality disorder. He could also of course be taking us all for a ride and just writing stuff to get people riled. If his gf stays with him you can only imagine that her self esteem will be whittled away, if she still has any left!
Tripper Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Genki is overtly concerned with fairness. That's what a good chunk of this is all about. Insecurity and and a feeling that this is unfair! To your point, Cobra, Genki sees things as black or white, right or wrong, fair or unfair. The only problem is life isn't fair, fair is for games. As far as attacking him, I'll agree some posters have been harsh. Myself included to some degree. However right from the OP he has continuously ranted about how morally superior he is, how morally corrupt his gf is, and ignored questions posed, but come back with some disturbing concepts of rape, morality, sex etc. What I find particularly disturbing is what effect will this have on the gf. If he genuinely cared for her he would have helped her get therapy. He thinks his showing her the error of her ways is doing her a favour. Dunno 'bout you but I spent a couple of years in therapy and one of the first things you learn is not to beat yourself up. Tough to do when the person who supposedly loves you does the beating up.
maria577 Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Hi Jenki I would like to tell you that as a woman, I believe that BJ's, anals, sleepinag around is not a decent thing to do. I don't belive the saying "Try first before you buy" because Humans especially women are not clothes which should be tried and tried and tried and when the right person comes along,, we won't be good anymore cuz we have been soo used several times and we will just be worn out.... since you are in this dilemma....mmm I am also getting confuse in what advice I can give you jenki..part of me feels sorry for the girl but part of me fears for your future too. I know you are a special man who has the INTENTIONS of COMMITTING and MARRYING which MOST OF THE MEN OF TODAY'S WORLD are incapable of doing.... Why not take a short break in your relationship and try to see other girls. It wouldnt mean that you will break of your friendship with but it would just be time to clarify things out and be sure with your decision.... Have you thought about that?? or are things to recent and you want to give it more time?? take care ok Maria
sally4sara Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 While your on the right track, I think you have missed the big picture. Genki is overtly concerned with fairness. That's what a good chunk of this is all about. Insecurity and and a feeling that this is unfair! As to why he wont tell you where his beliefs come from... That is not particularly suprising. Why would he? All you do is attack and belittle... only a fool would trust you with personal information based on your actions. I understand that Genki's beliefs and attitude is nothing short of offensive to you. The more you push and insult him the more defensive, entrenched, and extreme he will be. I dont understand why you dont see this also! Don't you get it? Part of the reason he seems as though he is ranting and raving is because you are pushing his anger buttons! A defensive person reaches for all the things that back up their beliefs, be they irrational or completely logical. He has defended himself with some good points and some utterly laughable ones too, why sit on what could be the biggest defense he has? I figured him to shut up pages ago when he realized how crazy people perceived him to be.......he keeps coming back for more. Lets see here cobra, only one other person I can remember gave him a sympathetic ear. And THAT person let us all know with a little rhyme that they felt only women need be chaste. He really liked what she had to say........I wonder why? You've also said you don't bother reading most of the posts. That makes me sad because I hoped your lack of continued posts meant that he had even wowed you with the crazy. Also, you attacked and belittled me, I didn't flinch because I don't need you to agree with me to continue to believe what I feel to be true. Life isn't fair and crushes the ones who expect it to be under it's wheels.
Cobra_X30 Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 To your point, Cobra, Genki sees things as black or white, right or wrong, fair or unfair. The only problem is life isn't fair, fair is for games. As far as attacking him, I'll agree some posters have been harsh. Myself included to some degree. However right from the OP he has continuously ranted about how morally superior he is, how morally corrupt his gf is, and ignored questions posed, but come back with some disturbing concepts of rape, morality, sex etc. What I find particularly disturbing is what effect will this have on the gf. If he genuinely cared for her he would have helped her get therapy. He thinks his showing her the error of her ways is doing her a favour. Dunno 'bout you but I spent a couple of years in therapy and one of the first things you learn is not to beat yourself up. Tough to do when the person who supposedly loves you does the beating up. Well Tripper, you may have been harsh, and I admit I have not read all 19 some pages of the poo this thread has become, but at least I have not seen you get overtly insulting. Some poeple view life as black and white. While I tend to live in the grey, there are some things which I ascribe to black and white. So I tend to view the world as a mix! Besides he has the idealism of someone who has not experienced much. With zealots the world will either push you further to the edge, or pull you from the brink! I advocate the latter not the former! Genki is trying to discount his GF or her situation. If provided time and guidance, we could assist him in lifting this viel. Thats what this whole thread is about! You see, deep down he understands... he sees the vulnerability, and pain within his GF, which he translates to something akin to pity! However, he is also devestatingly upset about the unfairness of the situation. His ranting and raving has more to do with his feeling of bieng attacked than anything else. I'm not sure how the current approach taken by most posters will help his GF? How do you expect to help them?
Jilly Bean Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Cobra, while I fully appreciate your stance, I don't think many here actually believe Genki is capable of being helped. I think he's here to rant and vent, and is seemingly NOT listening to anyone, except those few who have agreed he has cause for distress. He is merely here to complain about his harlot of a gf, and not really delve into the pathology of his behavior. I think we all realize there are others who will actually listen to viewpoints and advice, which is why this has become more comical and macabre than anything...
sally4sara Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Well Tripper, you may have been harsh, and I admit I have not read all 19 some pages of the poo this thread has become, but at least I have not seen you get overtly insulting. Some poeple view life as black and white. While I tend to live in the grey, there are some things which I ascribe to black and white. So I tend to view the world as a mix! Besides he has the idealism of someone who has not experienced much. With zealots the world will either push you further to the edge, or pull you from the brink! I advocate the latter not the former! Genki is trying to discount his GF or her situation. If provided time and guidance, we could assist him in lifting this viel. Thats what this whole thread is about! You see, deep down he understands... he sees the vulnerability, and pain within his GF, which he translates to something akin to pity! However, he is also devestatingly upset about the unfairness of the situation. His ranting and raving has more to do with his feeling of bieng attacked than anything else. I'm not sure how the current approach taken by most posters will help his GF? How do you expect to help them? What I'm hoping to do its to either get him so firmly entrenched in his ideals that he leaves her alone, or get him to realize how unlikely his convictions will work in the real world and relax, seek some real help, and learn to become a more accepting person. I have a tendency to over state implications to get a person to feel motivated to further explain themselves for clarity. Problem is, he only clarifies the things he implicates and lets us all know that yes! he does in fact feel the way his posts imply. But you're right.......till he can understand that life isn't always fair and accept that, he stands zero chance at ever being a happy human being who can accept anything beyond his limited control.
Tripper Posted November 30, 2007 Posted November 30, 2007 Cobra, several times I've stated quite pragmatically that what he wants i.e. a virgin bride isn't possible with this woman. I've also come right out and asked him what would he like her to do or say that would make him feel better. Also what does he need to feel better. He just responds with the same stuff he's always posted. At some point you need to either make a decision and move forward or find a therapist, and you may have to try several, and begin the process of a psyche overhaul to help you move forward.
Recommended Posts