I don't get why...

I'm 28 as well and where I can see what you're saying about not diving head first and learning from your past relationships - it doesn't sound like you've learned much:

 

You said that women were like dogs. Seriously? No way would I ever consider someone saying that is "healthy" in any respect when it comes to relationships. Sorry - you sunk your own ship with that comment.

 

I understand what getting burned is like - but I don't use that as an excuse to abandon all respect for an entire gender and say they're like dogs and they have to be treated like so. Come on.

I'm not talking about diving in head first, I've always been cautious early on. I'm saying not even puting your whole body in the pool. I'll sit on the edge with my feet in the water...you can't drown that way.

Do you treat dogs poorly or something? I love my dogs, they're awesome, they'd do anything for me and me for them. But they listen, they depend on me, and they're always loyal. I treat them great and they are happy. If that's not healthy, then we clearly are different people.

I don't lack respect, I just look at the facts and I will act accordingly. Looks like you're the one who hasn't learned from his mistakes.

thanks for share

I'm not talking about diving in head first, I've always been cautious early on. I'm saying not even puting your whole body in the pool. I'll sit on the edge with my feet in the water...you can't drown that way.

 

Do you treat dogs poorly or something? I love my dogs, they're awesome, they'd do anything for me and me for them. But they listen, they depend on me, and they're always loyal. I treat them great and they are happy. If that's not healthy, then we clearly are different people.

 

I don't lack respect, I just look at the facts and I will act accordingly. Looks like you're the one who hasn't learned from his mistakes.

Yea - you're a pig. I'm more than sure you'll eat your words some day.

And I doubt you'd ever admit what you're saying here to a woman you're in a "relationship" with. It's easy to spout all this online.

Go tell your mother that she's like a dog and see what she says about her son having respect for other women.

Google Amazon: Why men love B*tches

Looks like men are just as easily manipulated about the "not give a crap" attitude as well. But you won't find me saying men are like dogs. I'm not that bitter and I've also dated healthy people so I haven't lost my faith in your gender.

Yea - you're a pig. I'm more than sure you'll eat your words some day.

And I doubt you'd ever admit what you're saying here to a woman you're in a "relationship" with. It's easy to spout all this online.

Go tell your mother that she's like a dog and see what she says about her son having respect for other women.

Mother to Son is a lifelong relationship bound by many factors. Relationships are forever beginning and ending.

At least you're good at spinning people's words around to mean something else that has nothing to do with the topic. Like taking a discussion about relationships and throwing out people's mothers and their relationships. Nice one.

I bet you're a liberal too.

Mother to Son is a lifelong relationship bound by many factors. Relationships are forever beginning and ending.

 

At least you're good at spinning people's words around to mean something else that has nothing to do with the topic. Like taking a discussion about relationships and throwing out people's mothers and their relationships. Nice one.

 

I bet you're a liberal too.

You sound like a Palin supporter.

You sound like a Palin supporter.

Nope, Ron Paul. I actually read books.

Hey, maybe you can somehow spin my words to say I worship aliens or some other topic that has nothing to do with this discussion?

Again:

Women are like dogs, you gotta use reverse psychology to train them. They only want attention when you don't give it to them. They only want the guy they can't have.

 

Basically just don't give a f*ck. That's always the best approach. You can't be burned, you do the burning, and can get what you want out of it without sacraficing any emotion or attachment.

I don't have to twist any words around at all. You make it very clear how you feel about women. No twisting on my end even needed

Perhaps what GivenUp0083 is referring at is something like the Pavlov effect.

Pavlov was a scientist that used dogs to do research on reflexive behavior. (psychological reflexes)

He used dogs in experiments to make his point and often the dog analogy also applied to humans.

So perhaps GivenUp0083 doesn't think women are as low as dogs, or below rats(as Borat seemed to think), but perhaps he used the dog comparison in a Pavlovian context.

GivenUp0083, am I right?

Perhaps what GivenUp0083 is referring at is something like the Pavlov effect.

Pavlov was a scientist that used dogs to do research on reflexive behavior. (psychological reflexes)

 

He used dogs in experiments to make his point and often the dog analogy also applied to humans.

 

So perhaps GivenUp0083 doesn't think women are as low as dogs, or below rats(as Borat seemed to think), but perhaps he used the dog comparison in a Pavlovian context.

 

GivenUp0083, am I right?

Thank you.

It's all behavior, not treating them as a low individual. But hey, there's all levels of intelligence, and clearly some demonstrate the inability to understand certain concepts. It's good to know that someone understands what I'm talking about.

Eeesh, hopefully GivenUp0083 isn't a dog owner, some would classify his suggested treatment of them, as abuse....

I don't get why the "don't give a crap" attitude works

LOL, it doesn't unless you're otherwise attractive to women. IOW, if you're attractive and 'caring', you're less attractive to that subset of women than the guy who's attractive and 'don't give a crap', so he nails them instead of you.

My only 'positive' personal experience with 'don't give a crap' occurred while I was married and pretty much hated women anyway and didn't want the attention I was getting, generally from other married and broken women. That was a dark period I won't visit again and am in no way proud of.

As a single man, both prior to and since being married, 'don't give a crap' was/is a viewpoint generally enjoyed in the vacuum of solitude. Out of hundreds of meeting, dating and relationship anecdotes I could offer, none positive have ever resulted from 'don't give a crap'. One data point. Good luck

Not giving a crap, doesn't have to = treating her badly.

When people say don't give a crap, they probably mean, don't worry about how you come across, don't worry if she ends up being interested in you or not, just see the date or whatever as an opportunity to have a good time, don't be anxious, be confident, be yourself.

Yes, my hate was translated into 'not caring' with a bitter edge. I never treated women badly, but rather just less 'well' than my usual caring self. I didn't take any of their shyte and pushed it right back into their face. Proactively, I was neutral because I didn't care; reactively, I became an azzhole instead of having a cheek-turning, measured response.

Being confident, doing my own thing, along with the attendant successes, underscored a marked period of relative solitude from age 20 until in my early 30's. I traveled, had a successful business, was active in the community and had a social life with numerous male and female friends.

I'm somewhat chagrined to opine that the OP's premise appears to still be alive and well in my generation, though I now dismiss those potentials as incompatible. The difference is now, in real life interactions, I don't ponder why; I just move on.

When I asked a guy who slept with hundreds of women what it exactly was they did that made women go so crazy over him, the answer he gave was "I ignore them and give attention to other women in their presence. The harder I play it and the harder I disrespect them, the harder they fall. The girls will act angry, but they'll sleep with me the same night, every f*cking time."

 

I've noticed the effect it seems to have on girls/women too, although I don't ignore girls/women with a purpose like players do. Although I have considered using it for what I think is a more genuine goal. If I like a girl I perhaps shouldn't immediately make a move on her and give her a chance to develop a crush on me if she's inclined to do so. That way I'll know there's reciprocation and thus I can make a move on her knowing that she's into me.

 

Doing that will initially take some restraint on my side and I suspect the reason players can do it so easily is that they don't give a damn about the women they f*ck anyway, for them it's about the p*ssy and for them the woman around the p*ssy is only the vehicle that moves it around.

That approach probably works with insecure women.

I just ended what I thought might be a promising relationship with a 45 yr old "boy" because we couldn't go on a single date without him talking about the young women on his co-ed kickball league, his landlord's girlfriend...blah blah. My thought was...hmm... there are a million other things I could be doing right now than listening to him chatter non-stop about these women (yawn). I wanted to get to know HIM. I didn't give a crap about them. Certainly didn't make me want to sleep with him.

He was pretty upset when I ended it... and, no matter how nicely I tried to put it, he was also pretty beligerent in the defense of his right to talk all he wants about them.... and that secure women tolerate that. Um, nice try.

It is a sign of low-class and poor taste for a man to behave as described above. A quality woman has many uses for her time. If you are a quality man, you will use her time well and not waste it. And she will do the same for you.

IME ignoring works, when:

1)First, you showed that you have sth worthwhile to give

2)You give it eventually, just teasing for a while before that

Thank you.

 

It's all behavior, not treating them as a low individual. But hey, there's all levels of intelligence, and clearly some demonstrate the inability to understand certain concepts. It's good to know that someone understands what I'm talking about.

Oh give me a break - now you're just back peddling. You really expect what you said:

Originally Posted by GivenUp0083

Women are like dogs, you gotta use reverse psychology to train them. They only want attention when you don't give it to them. They only want the guy they can't have.

 

Basically just don't give a f*ck. That's always the best approach. You can't be burned, you do the burning, and can get what you want out of it without sacraficing any emotion or attachment.

To be taken as this:

Originally Posted by Nexus One

Perhaps what GivenUp0083 is referring at is something like the Pavlov effect.

Pavlov was a scientist that used dogs to do research on reflexive behavior. (psychological reflexes)

 

He used dogs in experiments to make his point and often the dog analogy also applied to humans.

 

So perhaps GivenUp0083 doesn't think women are as low as dogs, or below rats(as Borat seemed to think), but perhaps he used the dog comparison in a Pavlovian context.

 

GivenUp0083, am I right?

 

Speaking of intelligent - if that's what you were trying to express then you did it in a very insulting way. So throw insults and say a stupid thing like that and then expect someone to see how what you said was really a good thing? Yea - not buying it. You don't start off something with "women are like dogs" and end with "just don't give a f*ck" and expect to sound like someone who respects women. PLEASE.