Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 The last days: Signs of the times: A. We should discern the signs of the times: Mat.16:3b Can ye not discern the signs of the times? Mat.24:3 What shall be the sign of Thy coming, & of the end of the world? Mat.24:39 (Unbelievers) knew not until the flood came 1Thes.5:2,4 Ye, brethren, are not (to be) in darkness 2Pet.3:3-4 Scoffers saying, "Where is His coming? All things continue as they were..." B. Greatly increased learning: Dan.12:4 Time of the end: Many shall run to & fro, & knowledge shall be increased 2Tim.3:1,7 [Modern education:] Ever learning & never able to come to the knowledge of the truth Mat.24:14 Gospel preached in all the world [now possible by radio, TV, world travel, etc.]...then the end C. Greatly increased natural disasters: Mat.24:7 There shall be famines, & pestilences & earthquakes [increasing in number & severity; famines worsened by world economic troubles] Lk.21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear [unprecedented rate of heart attacks today] D. Greatly increased wickedness & wars: 2Tim.3:1,13 In the last days...evil men shall wax worse & worse Mat.24:6 Wars & rumours of wars...nation against nation Mat.24:37,38 As the days of Noah were (corrupt & violent) so shall Lk.21:25b Upon earth distress of nations [civil unrest] E. Rampant homosexuality in the end time: Lk.17:28-30 As it was in the days of Lot [rampant sodomy]...even thus shall it be in the day when (Jesus returns) Rom.1:24,26-28 Uncleanness...lusts...dishonour their bodies...vile affections...against nature...working that which is unseemly 2Tim.3:1-3a In the last days...men shall be without natural affection (See also Gen.9:20-27; 13:12,13; 18:18-33; 19:1-30; 2Pet.2:6-8.) F. Great falling away from true faith: 2Thes.2:2,3 The day of Christ shall not come except there come a falling away (apostasy) first Mat.24:12 Iniquity shall abound...the love of many shall wax cold Mat.24:5,11,24 Arise false Christs, & false prophets...deceive many 1Tim.4:1 In latter times some shall depart from the faith... giving heed to doctrines of devils G. Increased persecution of true Christians: Mat.24:9,10 Ye shall be hated of all nations...many be offended Lk.21:16,17 Ye shall be betrayed...& some of you...put to death
JamesM Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Much as I believe the Bible to be true, I have a hard time taking a newspaper and matching it to verses in Revelations, Daniel, Matthew 18, etc. I have numerous books on my shelf that predicted the end of the world as far back as 1908. There is 1984, 1988, 1994, 2000, and there are a couple that still predict the end for 2008 and 2011. I also have a book that says that Sadam Hussein will be the antichrist and will rebuild Babylon. Everyone of those books sound very convincing if you lived at that time. Looking back it is easy to see where they were wrong. I believe it is very dangerous to pick verses to support when the world will end. And personally, I find the evidence scant that supports a Rapture. In terms of pre, post or amillemialism...I would be classified as amillennial. This means that the Kingdom of God will not come physically to earth but spiritually. The subject of eschatology brings much debate from Christians of all ages. Many have tried to predict the end of the world. So far they have all been wrong...obviosly. Sooner or later someone will be right. What has always been correct is that for each and every one of us, the end of our lives WILL come. We must then ask if we ourselves are ready. Truthfully, this is a subject that I have enjoyed studying, but I find that for myself, if I am not careful, I lose focus as to what a Christian's priority should be in the world.
CarolAnne Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Why are you so worried about it anyway? I'm w/ James it's silly to think that just because the news hypes a story about an earthquake is somehow predicting the end in Leviticus. Only 3,000 people died in the WTC disaster but 800,000 died in the Shaanzi earthquake in China in 1556. We have never seen anything to that scale in the last 300 years. If you have lived a good life and genuinely try to make the fair decision in hard circumstances, then what is there to fear? On the other hand if you've murdered people in your past or something I guess I'd be afraid too.
Author Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 Much as I believe the Bible to be true, I have a hard time taking a newspaper and matching it to verses in Revelations, Daniel, Matthew 18, etc. I have numerous books on my shelf that predicted the end of the world as far back as 1908. There is 1984, 1988, 1994, 2000, and there are a couple that still predict the end for 2008 and 2011. I also have a book that says that Sadam Hussein will be the antichrist and will rebuild Babylon. Everyone of those books sound very convincing if you lived at that time. Looking back it is easy to see where they were wrong. I believe it is very dangerous to pick verses to support when the world will end. And personally, I find the evidence scant that supports a Rapture. In terms of pre, post or amillemialism...I would be classified as amillennial. This means that the Kingdom of God will not come physically to earth but spiritually. The subject of eschatology brings much debate from Christians of all ages. Many have tried to predict the end of the world. So far they have all been wrong...obviosly. Sooner or later someone will be right. What has always been correct is that for each and every one of us, the end of our lives WILL come. We must then ask if we ourselves are ready. Truthfully, this is a subject that I have enjoyed studying, but I find that for myself, if I am not careful, I lose focus as to what a Christian's priority should be in the world. Whoooah lol right out of the gate......James I like your thoughts. I have a few views on this topic id like to share with you. Naturally we look at the signs... as for predictions of a date.. I stay on the;… no man knows the day or the hour. Any man that does predict a date sets himself up to look a fool. As the scripture goes; I look at chapter 19 of Rev. and see the Bride (the church) is up there. She is adorned………. Which means she has gone through judgment. Christ returns for the battle of Armageddon… So if the Church or Bride of Christ is up there… when did she get there, in order to return? This is the diff in the seven years earlier as appose to the seven years later. I do have scripture at hand to backup my thoughts and statements. At the moment I do not have the time… Be back on this topic. I love this one……… lol God Bless I [
Author Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 Why are you so worried about it anyway? I'm w/ James it's silly to think that just because the news hypes a story about an earthquake is somehow predicting the end in Leviticus. Only 3,000 people died in the WTC disaster but 800,000 died in the Shaanzi earthquake in China in 1556. We have never seen anything to that scale in the last 300 years. If you have lived a good life and genuinely try to make the fair decision in hard circumstances, then what is there to fear? On the other hand if you've murdered people in your past or something I guess I'd be afraid too. Hang in there CarolAnne, If we can plan our old age on earth and cover all basis in hopes for security. Its cool to look into eternity. No harm just practical thinking into another realm of life. Great to see your interest. God Bless
Author Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 Considering I may loose the focus of some individual that is totally unaware of the word of God, Revelations is the most difficult book of scripture to digest. Having prayed over this; the only way to deliver this is to just put it out there, and trust in the Holy Spirit to aid in ones understanding. Through a study of Revelations Revealed with theologian Jack Van Impee: I condensed in portion a break down of Revelations. Its a lot of material, not something many will be able to digest in one read. Definitely a reread. For anyone that wanted to purchase Jacks R.R. collection series; this is of that and I am passing it on to you. In my personal studies… no one has broken scripture down like Jack has. One final note on this topic… If it’s too much for you… Don’t read it. As focus goes……… the most important aspect of Gods word… Is on the Free Gift of Salvation. Far be it from me to desire to distract from Gods purpose of the Cross: Salvation. God Bless
Author Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 THE DOORS OF HEAVEN OPEN TWICE...........ONCE FOR RAPTURE... ONCE, FOR THE RETURN OF CHRIST WITH HIS BRIDE FOLLOWING HIM. Rev. 4 * After this I looked, and, behold, a door........ Was opened in Heaven*: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, ...Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter......CHRIST CALLS HIS BRIDE. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. HEAVENS DOOR.... OPENS TWICE.... ........ IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS... THIS IS THE FIRST OPENING............. OF HEAVENS DOOR... ......AS CHRIST COMES FOR HIS BRIDE... JUDGMENT FOR BELIEVERS... IS IN PROCESS AFTER THE RAPTURE.... IT IS AN INVESTIGATION OF THE BRIDES FAITHFULNESS: II COR. 5:10 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. II Peter 1 -11 Escape corruption and honor the Lord. I JOHN 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. HIS LOVES SO GREAT.......TO DIE FOR US.......HE IS JEALOUS OVER US. I PETER 1:16 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. WE ARE BETROTHED TO CHRIST FROM THE MOMENT OF SALVATION.......... There will be a premarital exam after we are called Home. II Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him...{IMPUTED THROUGH SALVATION. Revelation19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the .........righteousness of saints. {THIS IS WORKS AFTER COMMITMENT *****In original Greek in this 8th verse of Rev.19 is righteousness: is righteousnesses...... PLURAL- to include WORKS after SALVATION. IICOR. 5:10 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. WORKS, GOOD OR BAD. I COR :315 15 If any man's *Work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. LOSS OF REWARDS... .......SAVED BY THE SKIN OF ONES TEETH...........Praise Jesus! Here, one may have lived short of the Glory of God..........and have not much to offer unto the Lord............Yet............is purified through fire and Saved. THE WEDDING GARMENTS FABRIC AND APPEARANCE WILL BE COMPOSED OF YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES.. ON EARTH........WORKS AFTER SALVATION........ .. Those not in need of purification by fire............ have many good works unto the Lord and were faithful to the groom during their betrothal to Him. THE BRIDE shall be adorned in fine linen clean and white... Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Author Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 AT A WEDDING... THE BRIDE AND THE BRIDEGROOM... ARE NOT GUESTS..........THEY ARE TO BE HONORED AT THE RECEPTION. John 3:29 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. WHO ARE THE GUEST OF THE MARRIAGE? SUPER ...{TO BE HELD ON EARTH. The guests are many......they include those prior and up to Pentecost. They also include the tribulation saints. Pentecost or Pentecost Sunday (symbolically related to the Jewish festival of Shavuot) is a feast on the Christian liturgical calendar that commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles and women followers of Jesus, fifty days (seven weeks) after Easter, and nine days after Ascension Thursday. John 19:26 26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! THE BRIDE – THE DAYS OF PENTECOST TO RAPTURE. THE MARRIAGE IS IN HEAVEN THE WEDDING RECEPTION ON EARTH. ON EARTH AS TOLD IN THE PARABLE The Parable of the Ten Virgins Matthew 25:1-13 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Revelation Chapter 19.................REVEALS Rev.19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *INTENT TO SUPPORT THE FOLLOWING CHAPTER 19 OF REVELATION with the above verses.. NOTICE ALL THE *ALLELUIA PRAISE!!!!!! of Revelation 19... The Only mention of it in the New Testament.... Reserved for this chapter ..........WHY ALL THE PRAISE? Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, *Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: Revelation 19:3 And again they said, *Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; *Alleluia. Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, *Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HOW DID the Bride get up there to return? {Rev.4:1 The church or Bride is not mentioned from Chapter 4..........until again in Chapter 19 What was going on in heaven during the Tribulation period on earth? TIME CONSUMING EVENTS.... take place in Heaven during the Tribulation Hours. Judgment; of the Bride.. Distribution of Wedding Garments which is a reward. The gifts of Crowns.. Also rewards are distributed according to every mans good works. Praise and Worship Ceremony of the Lord. Casting of Crowns; at the feet of the Lord. Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders represent the Bride Having gone through judgment; Now adorned; in white linen, casting crowns at the feet of the Lord. Praise Jesus. The preparation of Lord to return with His Bride.
JamesM Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 I agree. A debate regarding the End Times can actually dissuade people from becoming Christians. When a preacher reveals that he knows when the end of the world will be and it doesn't happen, he loses credibility. This hurts more than his reputation...it hurts the Christian church as whole. My only comment regarding Jack VanImpe has nothing to do with his ministry in general. However, I have books of his where he predicted the end of the world to be in the 80s, 90s and the year 2000. So, when he predicts that he now knows it will be soon or gives a date, I would be critical of his facts and supporting verses being used. I would then research his facts using other authors and commentaries who do not agree with him, so that I might have a complete picture of the eschatology argument. Unfortunately, 90% of the books in the Christian bookstores assume that premillenialism and dispensational teachings are the only or correct theology. This change began in the late 50s, but really took off in the early 70s with Hal Lindsey's books. Before that point, the majority of Christian scholars believed that using the newspaper and current events to interpret the Revelations is detracting from the Gospel as a whole. But now unfortunately, sensationalism sells books. So, I agree. This topic is not one to be used as a tool for bringing people to God. Rather teaching that each and every one will die at some point in the very near future should be a quicker way for us to realize that meeting God can happen today...not some predicted day in the future. And where will we be?
Moose Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 I personally think that when Iran decides to nuke Israel, that's when we should look for Christ to take up His Church...... Iran's President is a terrorist with the mindset that he'll be the one responsible for wiping Israel off the map. I'm not worried, I'm even kinda excited, and consider myself fortunate to be a witness to these last days. As twisted as it may sound, when I saw Saddam being hanged, something in my heart told me it was a pivotable event worthy to take note of.....
Author Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 Revelation19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF BELIEVERS THROUGH THE GENERATIONS.......ARE PRAISING AND.....SIGNIFIED BY A GREAT VOICE ALLELUIA .............SALVATION 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. THE ALREADY HAVING BEEN JUDGED....for these things take time and this chapter is preparing now for the return of Christ to earth.....NOW SINGS OF HIS JUDGMENTS OF........... After the fall of political Babylon ...Christ will soon establish His millennial Kingdom upon the earth. {The completed judgments of are listed in Chapters 17 and 18) 3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. NEVER AGAIN WILL ........man be duped into pomp as ceremonialism, religious or political alliances, never again will man be brought into bondage. Babylon’s doom is Eternal. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. THE TWENTY FOUR ELDERS JOIN THE PRAYER SYSTEM. THE BEASTS REPRESENT.... SERAPHIM AND CHERUBIM PRAISING GOD; That they too did not follow Lucifer in his fall from Heaven as so many of them did ...now they are eternally secure, free from damnation 5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. A CELESTIAL CHEERLEADER. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. AND THE VOICE OF THE GREAT MULTITUDE WAS AS THE VOICE OF MANY WATERS....................MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS............... THROUGH THE CENTURIES NOW SING IN UNISON............. UNTO THE LORD ....PRAISE ...............ALLELUIA! 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. REJOICE THE BRIDE......... IS NOW ADORNED THIS IS THE FIRST MENTION OF THE CHURCH SINCE THE LAST TIME THE DOOR WAS OPENED IN REV.4 UNTIL NOW. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. The BRIDE...IN FINE LINEN ...DISPLAYING THE RIGHTEOUSNESSES OF SAINTS. ... {The marriage of the Lamb is in Heaven.
Author Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, these are the true sayings of God. ~GUESTS ARE CALLED TO THE WEDDING RECEPTION~ CHRIST RETURNS WITH... HIS BRIDE...THE MARRIAGE SUPPER ON EARTH..as the... The Parable of the Ten Virgins Matthew 25:1-13 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. JOHN MADE THE MISTAKE OF FALLING TO WORSHIP AND ANGEL... ...(this the second time).. THIS IS HOW WE KNOW GOD WROTE THE BIBLE............man would not omit to mistakes throughout the Bible ... God admits mans faults to show all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God...Rom.3:23 Rev. 19:11 *and I saw heaven opened* ...and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and true, and in righteousness he doth judge and make... war. HEAVENS DOOR IS OPENED: this is the second time. JESUS IN ALL HIS GLORY IS ABOUT TO DESCEND TO EARTH. ...The first TIME THE DOOR OF HEAVEN OPENED WAS IN .REVELATION 4: After this I looked, and, behold, a door........ Was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. THIS WAS THE OPEN DOOR AS JESUS CAME FOR HIS BRIDE. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. FLAMING EYES SEE THROUGH US. ...JUDGMENT IS AT HAND. CROWNED KING, SAVIOR AND JUDGE OVER ALL CREATION. The Trinity.....BEARING A NAME YET TO BE REVEALED 13 And he was clothed with vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God WEARING THE BLOOD OF AVENGEMENT FOR HIS SAINTS, HAVING LOST LIFE, FOR HIS NAMES SAKE. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. ARMIES FOLLOWED....represent the BRIDE ADORNED IN CLEAN WHITE LINEN... All are coming from Heaven. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (Jesus alone is doing battle......with no weapon men on earth could relate to? His Word is His weapon.....He has no help from the saintly armies that follow... His saintly armies watch...as The LORD OF LORDS... AND KING OF KINGS, Does battle... AS the saintly army bears no weapons......Jesus, does not require help against men.) HIS WORD IS THE WORD...... HIS WORD IS HIS SWORD. {His word alone in John 18 shows the power of His word.} John 18:5-6.. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground WITH A WORD...*.he caused men to fall to the ground. HIS WORD... IS HIS... SWORD.. SLASH THE NATIONS.......PULVERIZE WITH AN IRON ROD, SQUASHING; THE FIERCE WRATH....OF ALMIGHTY GOD HAS ARRIVED. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. ALL SHALL KNOW; HE IS ....LORD OF LORDS, HE IS KING OF KINGS! 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; THE GREAT SUPPER of God .........LET THE FOWL OF THE AIR... COME AND FEAST..... UPON THE FLESH OF KINGS ON EARTH of MEN, GREAT AND SMALL, RICH AND POOR ALIKE. 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. THE GREAT SUPPER of God. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. MEN ON EARTH PREPARE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AND BATTLE AGAINST HIM. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. SATAN, THE ANTICHRIST AND THE FOLLOWERS HAVING THE MARK OF THE BEAST ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. 21 And the remnant was slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. IT IS FINISHED...ONWARD...TO NEW BEGINNINGS. ~ THE GUESTS OF THE BRIDE AND BRIDEGROOM~ ARE THE SOULS REMAINING ON EARTH THAT NEVER TOOK THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND DID NOT DIE.....? (Matthew 25:1-13 the Parable of the Ten Virgins) ......ALSO THOSE SOULS OF UP TO AND BEFORE PENTECOST. THE LIVING - THROUGH THE TRIBULATION WILL ENTER - INTO THE MILLENNIUM - WITH THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO REPRODUCE. `````````````` And the SPIRIT AND THE BRIDE SAY, COME. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, Let him take the water of life freely. Rev 22:17 Xtra -NOTE... Revelation chapters 12 through 19 and chapters 6 through 11; Simply repeat 19.
JamesM Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 I personally think that when Iran decides to nuke Israel, that's when we should look for Christ to take up His Church...... Iran's President is a terrorist with the mindset that he'll be the one responsible for wiping Israel off the map. I'm not worried, I'm even kinda excited, and consider myself fortunate to be a witness to these last days. As twisted as it may sound, when I saw Saddam being hanged, something in my heart told me it was a pivotable event worthy to take note of..... Moose, I wonder too what will be the end. And yes, the Iranian president seems to have a mission. But as you may remember, back in the 50s thru 80s, the big fear was communism. Now it is Islam. I am not saying it isn't the end times, but boy I am skeptical...especially since I have books that use current events in a scary manner to show how the world will end. I have one that gives great details how in 1908, the last great Napolean will rule as the antichrist. Now we laugh, but at that time, this was the great fear. And of course as far back as the Crusades, Islam has been a fear. Since so many predictions have failed, I find it hard to focus on the possibility that we now live in the End Times. What I do know that is every author on my shelf will face his or her last day...and many have. That is where our focus should lie.
Moose Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Moose, I wonder too what will be the end. And yes, the Iranian president seems to have a mission. But as you may remember, back in the 50s thru 80s, the big fear was communism. Now it is Islam. I am not saying it isn't the end times, but boy I am skeptical...especially since I have books that use current events in a scary manner to show how the world will end. I have one that gives great details how in 1908, the last great Napolean will rule as the antichrist. Now we laugh, but at that time, this was the great fear. And of course as far back as the Crusades, Islam has been a fear. Since so many predictions have failed, I find it hard to focus on the possibility that we now live in the End Times. What I do know that is every author on my shelf will face his or her last day...and many have. That is where our focus should lie.I failed to mention that Russia does play a huge part in this. (speaking of communism). They've supplied Iran with semi-enriched uranium already.....
Author Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 James I couldn’t agree with you more… on all you have said. You know Jacks ministry is awesome… he knows the word through and through. I too am aware of H.L. as for the shortcomings of men and their predictions, I overlooked them to get what I valued most… knowledge and understanding of the word. Well James; Its out there I pray it is and aid and not a stumbling block. God Bless
Author Love Hurts Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 I personally think that when Iran decides to nuke Israel, that's when we should look for Christ to take up His Church...... Iran's President is a terrorist with the mindset that he'll be the one responsible for wiping Israel off the map. I'm not worried, I'm even kinda excited, and consider myself fortunate to be a witness to these last days. As twisted as it may sound, when I saw Saddam being hanged, something in my heart told me it was a pivotable event worthy to take note of..... Moose, I have heard the same thoughts expressed on the potential nuke of Israel could be the last draw and the trump is blown! We Know We Are Close… Amen I agree we are living in exciting times. Praise Jesus brother! Let us walk these last miles and not get weary, Gods children need… Torches High. God Bless
pureinheart Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Much as I believe the Bible to be true, I have a hard time taking a newspaper and matching it to verses in Revelations, Daniel, Matthew 18, etc. Hey James....you are a doll by the way...((((((hugs)))))) All of these books you described were written way back....picture yourself back then and God taking you in the Spirit and showing you the future....way into the future...then try to record what you saw with the knowledge of that day. Hal Lindsey is an excellent author, and has many books describing what the Prophets and Apostles saw back then...he also is a master in Hebrew and Greek.... Example: I just heard in the news that they have a chip for humans now....during the tribulation period everyone is tracked.... GBU
JamesM Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Hey James....you are a doll by the way...((((((hugs)))))) Thank you...back at ya. All of these books you described were written way back....picture yourself back then and God taking you in the Spirit and showing you the future....way into the future...then try to record what you saw with the knowledge of that day. There is strong evidence that shows that "these books" were written for that generation. If you read the words, you see that the Revelation was for the generation that lived. Rev 1:1 says..."The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass..." Why would it say shortly if it meant over 2000 years in the future? Many times this same statement is similarly written. Does all of Revelation apply to then? I don't know, but certainly mosy of it. Could it have double meaning...ie apply to the Jews than and to the world now? Some of it...yes. Let us read what is in Matthew 25:34..."Behold this generation shall not pass til all these things come to pass." and what generation or people? read verse33, "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." Does this apply to some future generation 2000 years down the road? How is that a comfort to Jesus' listeners? Why oh why is there NEVER a clarification that these words apply ot to the listeners in Daniel, Matthew or Revelation...but to some future generation? Because these words apply to the Jews at that time. In AD 70, Jerusalem and the surrounding areas were torn apart. It was by far the worst disaster ever experienced until that time. Parents ate children, the temple was torn to the ground, and more. The history is well written in the works of Josephus. Example: I just heard in the news that they have a chip for humans now....during the tribulation period everyone is tracked.... First of all, they have had that for awhile. Second, they can track you now wherever you go. Where in the Bible is that a sign of the times? Hal Lindsey is an excellent author, and has many books describing what the Prophets and Apostles saw back then...he also is a master in Hebrew and Greek.... He is very interesting. And he has many books stating as he interprets describing what is written in the Bible. But if he interprets based on the wrong assumptions...that Revelation has not been fulfilled and it is for some future generation, then his interpretation will be faulty. However, what I pointed out is that he has predicted the end of times many times based on scripture supporting events at the times. I will check on his mastery of Hebrews and Greek. My point is that predictions of the end and doomsayers who say that we should be converted based on such predictions are not good for the furtherance of God's Kingdom. Fear does not equal love.
pureinheart Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Moose, I wonder too what will be the end. And yes, the Iranian president seems to have a mission. But as you may remember, back in the 50s thru 80s, the big fear was communism. Now it is Islam. I am not saying it isn't the end times, but boy I am skeptical...especially since I have books that use current events in a scary manner to show how the world will end. I have one that gives great details how in 1908, the last great Napolean will rule as the antichrist. Now we laugh, but at that time, this was the great fear. And of course as far back as the Crusades, Islam has been a fear. Since so many predictions have failed, I find it hard to focus on the possibility that we now live in the End Times. What I do know that is every author on my shelf will face his or her last day...and many have. That is where our focus should lie. Hey James...I know what you are saying here....Jesus calls the things you describe as "birthpangs"....birthing if you will....second stage labor can last a long time and it's all intense, although the intensity increases, and one contraction might not be as strong as the last, although all is intense. We know not the day nor the hour, although we can look at the signs of the times....we can have an increase in earthquakes, although all needs to line up with what the Prophets and Apostles described...in the past we did not have the technology, now it is very apparent how certain tasks can be accomplished....all has to line up....
pureinheart Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 My point is that predictions of the end and doomsayers who say that we should be converted based on such predictions are not good for the furtherance of God's Kingdom. Fear does not equal love. James I did all of my studies over 20 yrs ago and have added bits and pieces along the, furthing "my" conclusions.....I am the worst at quoting scripure right now.... I think what the Prophets of today are saying is to get ready....we should always be ready anyway....as far as conversions, it'll happen or it won't....I know what you mean about some....some are very passionate concerning this topic, thinking they are just trying to warn people. Maybe I am taking what you said about fear out of context....fear is love also....fear is the beginning of wisdom, we are to fear God, and this is a form of love....I know this sounds confusing, although most of the time scripture is taken out of context, sometimes you have to go to the original Hebrew/Greek to get the exact interpretation....the word fear has 5 or 6 different meanings, and it needs to be looked up in the context of that particular scripture....
CarolAnne Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 I guess the reason why I don't subscribe to comparing newspaper and tv events to Revelations is that it kind of deflates the whole purpose of having faith in your life regardless of outside events. Believing not because you are scared for your life, but because you believe it is right and want to be more compassionate and loving like Jesus in everything you do. It's like, do you do what your parents ask because you are scared of being punished and dropped into a pit of lava, or because you love them and want them to be proud of you? I think it is strange to encourage people to live in fear. Whether you die in a car crash tomorrow or of a heart attack in 30 years, isn't the goal to live a life of good works and faith regardless? Rather than being worried about some 2,000 year old prophecy happening in your lifetime, why not devote that thought, effort and attention to helping people who are starving in the inner city, or take time out of your day to tutor a student in reading or forgive a friend for some past harm, something that would make Jesus smile? It just seems like if it happens it happens, and as it is obviously not happening today, and once today is gone it will never come back, to use these 24 hours to actually do something good rather than just worrying about a prophecy, or worse, trying to pretend that you know some "big secret" to scare and convince others they are wrong. Not that you've done that, but I have experienced it from an individual who tried to convert me... not effective, in fact it convinced never to belong to some wack religion like that.
Author Love Hurts Posted January 5, 2007 Author Posted January 5, 2007 I guess the reason why I don't subscribe to comparing newspaper and tv events to Revelations is that it kind of deflates the whole purpose of having faith in your life regardless of outside events. Believing not because you are scared for your life, but because you believe it is right and want to be more compassionate and loving like Jesus in everything you do. It's like, do you do what your parents ask because you are scared of being punished and dropped into a pit of lava, or because you love them and want them to be proud of you? I think it is strange to encourage people to live in fear. Whether you die in a car crash tomorrow or of a heart attack in 30 years, isn't the goal to live a life of good works and faith regardless? Rather than being worried about some 2,000 year old prophecy happening in your lifetime, why not devote that thought, effort and attention to helping people who are starving in the inner city, or take time out of your day to tutor a student in reading or forgive a friend for some past harm, something that would make Jesus smile? It just seems like if it happens it happens, and as it is obviously not happening today, and once today is gone it will never come back, to use these 24 hours to actually do something good rather than just worrying about a prophecy, or worse, trying to pretend that you know some "big secret" to scare and convince others they are wrong. Not that you've done that, but I have experienced it from an individual who tried to convert me... not effective, in fact it convinced never to belong to some wack religion like that. CarolAnne, Respectful fear? I had that for my earthly father as a young child, I have it for my Heavenly Father as an Adult. I knew my earthy father would punish me if I were out of line… I expect the same from my Heavenly Father. My earthly father punished me out of love for me. He wanted me to do the right things. Likewise so does my Heavenly Father. My earthly father wanted me kept out of jail; my Heavenly Father wants me kept out of Hell. Your Heavenly Father will give you a good spankn ‘Hebrews 12:8’ says expect. Love and guidance is a good thing. Romans 4: But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. We cannot focus on Self to be righteous… Jesus is righteous. Its not by our good works that justify the ungodly. Our Faith in God is counted for righteousness and righteousness is Jesus. *With Jesus in us, the Holy Spirit in us…We are righteous. II Corinthians 5: 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that *We might be made… the righteousness… of God in him. See it? *We might be made… the imputed to you… the moment you call Him into your heart. Jesus knows a mans heart..the thief on the cross said nine words and Christ said today you shall be with me in Paradise. Perhaps; the thief on the cross, lived his life without doing one good deed? Jesus knew his heart when he said( Luke 23:42And he said) unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And it happened.. {BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. If we could find favor with Jesus by our good works and or Baptism of tap water; the shedding of blood of Christ was a waste of time. Meaning; I could be Baptized in (H2O) water, and still go to hell. I could work my life away doing good kind things for the worlds hurting people and still go to hell. Jesus is the true living water, Saved we are Baptized in the Holy Spirit like the thief on the cross. Then your good works mean somehthing of more value, its called working out your salvation. Good ..outward.. works of the new.. inward ..man. Jesus is love ... but He has rules and guidlines too.
Author Love Hurts Posted January 5, 2007 Author Posted January 5, 2007 NEVER BEFORE HAVE WE BEEN SO CLOSE TO THE END… Revelation 13:16-18 "And he causeth all, both small and great, reich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six." The number 666 is becoming a part of our lives in a very real way. the following examples were taken from Issue 28 of the Gumball Express: --New credit cards in the U.S. are now being assigned the prefix "666". --Central computers for Sears, Belks, Pennys, and Mongomery Wards world wide have all their transactions prefixed with "666". --Computers made by Lear Siegler have a seal on the side on which is stamped the number "666". --Computers made by Lear Siegler have a seal on the side on which is stamped the number "666". --Federal government Medicaid Service Employees Division is "666". --IRS, Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Division had the number "666" on their badges. --IRS instructions for Non-Profit Corporation Employee 1979, W-2 Form requires the prefix "666". --State governments are now using "666" on their office purchasing paperwork. --President Carter's new Secret Security Force patches have "666" on them. --Elementary Algebra text book is entitled "666" Jellybeans. --United States Selective Service Cards have "666" on them. Coincidence? Well, we will investigate in more detail what's going on. PREPARATION FOR THE MARK The June 17, 1993 Los Angeles times on page A16 states: "Lawmakers clash again over a new call for a national identification card. Of course it may foster invasions of privacy, but there is simply no way to enforce our existing laws without it. (emphasis mine) This would create a simple tamper resistant identification card and it calls for using a new social security card with a photo, finger print and verifiable bar code.... yes the risk of invasion of privacy do exist...with information about every American that would indeed pose a threat to individual privacy." It didn't happen in 1993. There are trying to do it again. This time to prevent illegal aliens from working illegally in this country. Please understand, people, that the government will look for a good excuse to keep track of Americans. This has nothing to do with stopping immigrants from working. The government doesn't' care about that. They are already purposely bankrupting America. What they care about is they want to control you. They want to know everything about you. California is the test area for a new type drivers license. The photo and fingerprint is a computer dot matrix. These digitized facial features and fingerprints are able to be stored in a computer. There are magnetic strips on the back. All information is recorded on this strip. The Fin Cin Computer is the master computer in the United States. It can combine all law enforcement information, driver license history and everything else on you. I can not only identify you individually, but do a personal profile on you. Police cars are being set up with bar code scanner devices. All they have to do is run your drivers license through the scanner, and they know everything about you. The military are being used as guinea pigs for a cashless society and transponder identification program. Many military bases have gone cashless or are going cashless. Some phone booths even require the use of a debit card. the start of this was over 20 years ago. The military were the first to be encouraged to have direct deposit. In other words, they never saw their check, it was deposited directly into the bank every pay day. It was strongly encouraged. Military ID cards now have digitized pictures along with a magnetic strip on the back containing information about the card holder. Their digitized pictures are able to be stored in a computer. Pet owners on military installations are being required to have a transponder injected at their pets neck for identification purposes. That way the pets can be identified if they are lost. farmers are also using it for keeping track of their cattle. The Navy has been given a contract to bring the transition out of dog tags to a transponder band. They would put the pet transponder in the watch-looking bands, to be worn on the right wrist only. Athletes in Germany must wear transponder bio-chip bracelets in order to participate in most European sports contests. They must agree to wear the bracelet on their right wrist only. This is so when they go by the stations along the marathon route, they put their hand over a scanners. The scanner clocks who they are and where they are on the route. Hughs Aircraft, controlled by General Motors are producing transponders for cars. This is so they can track vehicles. The "good" reason for this is people won't have to stop at toll booths. The transponder in their car will automatically deduct the amount of the toll, or the person will be billed. There is a program in the US to help manufactures standardize their products to participate in the huge NWO European market. The US corporations have to conform to the interteck ISO 9000 program of standardization. If they haven't received the MARK of the interteck 9000 they won't be able to buy or sell their products in Europe. ("And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast or the number of his name." Revelation 13:16-17) In Brussels, Belgium they have a computer called Euro Net. The nick name of this computer is "The Beast". This was the first of it's kind to be able to keep track of the people of the world. Now there is a bigger one in Luzingburg that is three stories high and a couple of blocks square. It can for billions of calculations per second. It can record every human being on earth with digital pictures. another one is in Canaburo, Australia. The one in Australia is US owned and underground. It's Top Secret, but suspicions are that it could be used as a UFO) base and master computer. Knowledge shall increase in the last days…. and the number popularity of 666 is in our time. A cashless society is at hand. We are going to have a one world government and a one world leader to take the head of it Antichrist; he will be the center hub of the new one world religion. http://members.tripod.com/~Ricnum/thebeast.html
Author Love Hurts Posted January 5, 2007 Author Posted January 5, 2007 Quote Purinheart [Example: I just heard in the news that they have a chip for humans now....during the tribulation period everyone is tracked....] Quote James [First of all, they have had that for awhile. Second, they can track you now wherever you go. Where in the Bible is that a sign of the times? ] God is omnipresent He needs no aid from technology to find or to know what people are up to. Satan is not omnipresent. He going to need all the help he can get from tech. To keep track on the entire world; while he plays god on earth. Also the mark of the beast is a means of separating people. Either you will take the mark of the beast… or as scripture tells us many whom refuse it for Christ sake will be beheaded. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. How can we tell what time it is? 666 I recommend that you listen to this: http://endtime.gsradio.net/endtime/m...6-howclose.mp3
burning 4 revenge Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 The Apocalypse looks like romper room compared to facing the non-existence of the soul and the ultimate disposability of human flesh.
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