BurnerPhone Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 About a month ago I bought a battery backup system for my home and was having an issue getting it to connect to the internet, So I logged into my wireless router to see if it was connecting to my home WiFi.I have a good WiFi router It shows every device that's connected to the network and what kind of device it is. As an example it shows my refrigerator as Samsung refrigerator with a matching Icon. It shows My phone as an iPhone with matching icon and so on. But what I saw on the router was disturbing. There was an Android (nougat) phone connected to my WiFi. What made this disturbing is: A) I was the only one home. B) Me and my wife live alone. C) Me and my wife have Iphones D) You need the WiFi password to connect to the WiFi. Thinking this is some kind of error on the router I rebooted it and after the reboot the device was still there. I pinged the device and it responded. It was clear this was no mistake, there was an Android phone on the WiFi. I went into a panic thinking my wife has a burner phone. I ran around the house looking for it but didn't find it. I continued to check the router all day and it was always connected. That evening my wife came home and we had to return her rental car. (Her regular car was being fixed all week so she needed a rental). After we returned the car we came home had coffee and she went out shopping. I continued to check on the Android phone while she was out and it was still there. I continued to check on the phone after she came home and all night until I went to bed at 9:30pm . The next day I got up at 7:30am and the first thing I did was check on the phone. The phone was no longer on the network. Its been 6 weeks since I originally saw the phone and its never been back. Help whats this all mean.....? Link to post Share on other sites
Georgia46 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 If you pinged the phone how come you couldn’t find it? She definitely has another phone Link to post Share on other sites
Author BurnerPhone Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 (edited) Ping is a signal thats sent to a device requesting a reply. It just confirms that a device is active. It didn't tell me where it was located. If she has a Burner why hasn't been online in 6 weeks? Edited January 20 by BurnerPhone add comment Link to post Share on other sites
Georgia46 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Ah ok when I ping my watch it makes a noise so I am able to find it in the house. So I thought that’s what you meant. perhaps she knew you knew? Link to post Share on other sites
Author BurnerPhone Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 There is a possibility she knows that I saw it, because I was so upset I googled things like where would a burner phone be hidden. she could have seen things on my PC. I don't think its likely she knows but it is possible. I'm struggling with the implications of this. If she has a phone I need to end my marriage. Im 64 and splitting my retirement savings will make life hard. Not to mention I'm crying every day. So I need to be 100% sure, thats why I brought my situation here. I need an outside option. What do you think? if you were a juror on a murder case, would this be enough to convict ? Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) Forget murder! If I were a juror on a shop lifting case, I would not convict. There is not nearly enough evidence, and I have not heard from the defense. From where I sit, there is no point in having a burner phone if it's connected to the WiFi. Do burners even have wifi capabilities? After all, they are very basic units.. My general theory on life is 'if it doesn't make sense, it's probably not true'. Edited January 20 by basil67 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author BurnerPhone Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 (edited) I Totally agree on your theory and have applied it many times in my life. And yeah I laughed at convicting a shoplifter... you made a good point and that's why im here. As far as Burner phones go they come with nothing or everything. It depends on what you purchase. Nowadays most have wifi and one of the perks for phones with wifi is you can make wifi calls and send pictures without using any data. You can also communicate with someone who might not have a burner, using apps. The issue of why someone would have WiFi brings up something else. The possible reasons a spouse might have a phone. Maybe they have a gambling addiction they don't want you to know about. Maybe they have a porn addiction they don't want you to know about. Maybe they play those online kid type game for money and they don't want you to know about. Maybe they're having an affair they don't want you to know about. Im struggling with it all. But first I must establish if there is any other possibility reason why that phone was on the network other than my wife having a secret phone. Edited January 20 by BurnerPhone update Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) Honestly, the strangest part for me is that you didn't go the obvious route and ask if she knows what the device on the wifi is. Because this is the conversation which would happen in my home. Also, she may have dug out an old phone to see if it was still working. I've done that before giving it to someone who needs it more Edited January 20 by basil67 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Georgia46 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 You need to ask her. Link to post Share on other sites
Author BurnerPhone Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 Here's why I haven't asked her yet. 15 years ago there was a situation where i suspected she was cheating. There were a lot of questionable things and anytime I saw something a asked. It lead to arguments and she always totally denied anything even obvious things and because she knew i was suspect if she was cheating I would never be able to find out by watching. My plan was this, I will not jump to conclusions.(That's why i posted here, I knew I was making a big assumption) I will wait for the phone to come online again and then use my WiFi router to find it. Once I have the phone I figured that would answer a lot of questions, depending on where it is located. But as you know from the posts it never came back online. Prior to making a plan, I racked my brain trying to think of anyway a phone could get on the network other than by her. I couldn't ask family or a friend for help because i didn't want to be the latest talk. ( I don't care what anyone says, No one can keep a secret.) Now Im so happy I posted here because you have pointed out a way I hadn't thought about that's plausible because my son has always used an android phone. He hasn't lived here for a long time but there could be an old phone. Im going to think about how I want to handle this. And I hope you don't mind if I run it by you...! Thank you so much for your Time.... Link to post Share on other sites
Georgia46 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Prior to this, have you had any inclination that there was anything wrong lately? Link to post Share on other sites
Author BurnerPhone Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 No, things have been the status quo. At this point I want to collect my thoughts and feelings and figure out the best time and place to ask her. Its been emotional torture waiting to see if this phone reappeared. Link to post Share on other sites
Georgia46 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I think if you ask her you will be able to see by her reaction if she knows about the phone or not. But like you said, it could be your sons.. so don’t be too hasty at this point. Link to post Share on other sites
ShyViolet Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 hours ago, BurnerPhone said: If she has a phone I need to end my marriage. Whoa you are REALLY jumping to conclusions here. There could be some other explanation for the other phone on your wifi. There is not enough evidence right now to jump to this conclusion. You seriously need to calm down and approach this more rationally. Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, BurnerPhone said: Here's why I haven't asked her yet. 15 years ago there was a situation where i suspected she was cheating. There were a lot of questionable things and anytime I saw something a asked. It lead to arguments and she always totally denied anything even obvious things and because she knew i was suspect if she was cheating I would never be able to find out by watching. Why would saying "I logged into the wifi today and this device is here. Very strange. Do you have any idea what it may be?" lead to an argument? Link to post Share on other sites
ShyViolet Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 OP, it sounds like your marriage is on very shaky ground and has a lot of serious issues if something like this would make you so quick to talk about ending the marriage. It sounds like you have very little trust in her. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Further to my previous comments, if someone is savvy enough to think of buying a burner to have an affair, they aren't going to be so dumb as to connect it to the wifi. The whole story is wildly implausible 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author BurnerPhone Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 (edited) Asking her about a strange phone on the Wifi would certainly lead to an argument. She would know i was accusing her of having a secret phone. As for being dumb to use WiFi, I don't think that would be dumb. Who would ever look at there Wifi connections. I never have before and was only looking because i had an issue. As for my marriage being on shaky ground. You are correct, I don't want to change the focus here just want to confirm your assessment. I have admitted to making big assumption's and am going to ask her. but let me put this out there: If she says she knows nothing about the phone. Would I still be jumping to conclusions by assuming she's the owner ? Who else could it be? That's not a statement I want to fine another explanation. Edited January 20 by BurnerPhone update Link to post Share on other sites
mrs rubble Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Both of my son's and several of my friend's phones automatically connect to our Wifi when they come near our place as they have all set up auto login. Who else has been given the password? It could be your son! Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 50 minutes ago, BurnerPhone said: Asking her about a strange phone on the Wifi would certainly lead to an argument. She would know i was accusing her of having a secret phone. The only way you could know this is if you've accused her before. And if that time was also based on equally flimsy evidence, I wouldn't blame her for being angry at your accusation Quote As for being dumb to use WiFi, I don't think that would be dumb. Who would ever look at there Wifi connections. I never have before and was only looking because i had an issue. Who would look at their wifi connections? YOU DID! So it's clearly not implausible. If I was going to the effort of getting a burner phone for secrecy, it's lunacy to connect it to home wifi Quote As for my marriage being on shaky ground. You are correct, I don't want to change the focus here just want to confirm your assessment. The state of your marriage and history of trust and blame is all relevant to my verdict. It's why I said I wouldn't even find her guilty of shoplifting....there is no context of the state of your marriage and no rebuttal from her Quote I have admitted to making big assumption's and am going to ask her. but let me put this out there: If she says she knows nothing about the phone. Would I still be jumping to conclusions by assuming she's the owner ? Who else could it be? That's not a statement I want to fine another explanation. For starters it could be your son's phone. She may have checked to see if it still works and is worth keeping. Are you on good terms with your neighbours? Have you ever helped them by sharing the wifi password? Edited January 21 by basil67 1 Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) Honestly, if I were on the jury, I'd find the evidence implausible. The odds of her getting a burner phone for cheating, being stupid enough to connect it to the WiFi and on the day she did , it just so happened that you checked the WiFi. I'm not buying it Edited January 21 by basil67 Link to post Share on other sites
Interstellar Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Yes, you need to gather more evidence, several evidences and not jump to conclusions just yet. Link to post Share on other sites
Author BurnerPhone Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 I admit this could be my son's phone as in your scenario, so far thats my only hope. As for my neighbors I considered this prior to posting. I only know the house next door on the right well enough. It was owned by 2 brothers and now only one of the brothers owns it. One of those brothers is friends with my daughter and has been at my house a few times over the years but he no longer lives there. He moved out several years ago. But then I thought what if he was visiting (on a Monday) and the issue there is our houses are far apart not sure you can login from there and the signal strength on the Android phone was strong not to mention he would have had to be there from 10:am to at least 9:30pm. I'll walk over there tomorrow and see if I get service. Link to post Share on other sites
Author BurnerPhone Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 (edited) Ok I asked her, showed her the picture of the phone online. She said she knows nothing about it. Has no idea what it is. Asked if it could be the neighbors, Said she has not found or touched any old phones, then as I pressed asking them whos is it, where did it come from, she got mad and stormed off. Edited January 21 by BurnerPhone Link to post Share on other sites
ShyViolet Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 18 hours ago, BurnerPhone said: If she says she knows nothing about the phone. Would I still be jumping to conclusions by assuming she's the owner ? You would literally be jumping to conclusions because you said it yourself, you are only ASSUMING and you don't have any concrete evidence that she's behind this. And the shaky state of your marriage is very relevant here. What if you never get a definitive answer about this, what do you plan on doing about this marriage? Do you plan on staying with someone who you have zero trust with? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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