Trump and God

[BetheButterfly]

Thank you for that. I feel like as a Christian on the other side of the world ( from America) I almost HAD to support Trump, even though I'm a New Zealander and cannot vote!

 

I understand. I was pressured daily to vote for Trump, because of the issue of abortion mainly, as well as homosexual marriage. Personally, I voted for Marco Rubio to be President of the USA, because he has a proven record of decades against abortion, and is a Compassionate Conservative.

 

 

( I'm so glad I'm not American, during the election, in America- no offense to American's out there) There is so much judgement if you're Christian and you do support for Trump, there is so much judgement if you're Christian and you do not support for Trump.From an outside perspective, I watched the election unfold like a WWE wrestling match.

You mean, like this?

 

"The Battle of the Billionaires..."

There was a lot of sparing and insults but not real substance on issues that really matter.

True.

 

How do I feel about Trump? I think he is arrogant, He claims to know the bible better than anybody yet he cannot recall or memorise scripture,

Trump is known for self-exaggeration, which is very narcistic. However, since Trump does claim to know the Bible, why does he not obey Jesus Christ? That's been my question all along to Trump supporters who are Christians.

 

Jesus Christ said that His followers are light and salt of the world (Matthew 5:13-16), because we are to reflect His light to the world. Sadly, Trump is known more for his riches and sexual immorality than for reflecting Jesus Christ to the world. He is truly just pandering to American Christian voters, and he got many of them. Some American Christians, by the way, place more interest in the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life (1 John 2:15-17) than on obeying Jesus Christ. That's just a fact.

 

he made mockery of a reporters menstrual cycle, he poked fun of a reporters disability, he insulted a war hero, he referred to Barbara Bush as "mommy". He calls people stupid, losers and dummies.

All the above flies in the face of Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors as oneself and the Golden Rule. We all know that Trump doesn't like to be insulted. Jesus Christ however made it clear not to insult those who insult us, but rather to turn the other cheek (Matthew 5:38-48).

 

These things were tweeted and made public. He has bragged about wanting to sexually assault a married women, claiming that you can place your hands anywhere because when you're a "star" you can do pretty much anything you want to and women will let you.

This is another thing that many American Christians completely ignore: lust and heterosexual adultery/immorality. Interestingly, when Jesus Christ talked about hell, most of the time He talked about hell in regards to lust and to not helping those in need. He even used hyperbole to show how important it is for His followers to not lust (Matthew 5:27-30).

 

Now, has Trump repented for lusting after women not his wife? Has he repented of the following?

 

"You know, they're standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that," - Trump

Timeline of Trump's Creepiness While He Owned Miss Universe - Rolling Stone

 

"I made the heels higher and the bathing suits smaller." - Trump

 

Definitely, lust is a huge problem in the Christian community today. Trump winning the votes of many American Christians in the GOP primary shows how deep lust has crept into the church, so that now it's considered acceptable and normal. (Many Christian marriages are broken or hurt by spouses lusting after other people, including in porn.)

 

This is a man I don't want to bring nuclear ships into nuclear-free countries like my country, New Zealand. And I think he is so brazenly arrogant, I think he would probably do it, regardless of protest.

Definitely his comments to kill Iranians just because they mock Americans shows how he does not respect the lives of people in other countries.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoCn8pExF70

"Trump Suggests Shooting at Iranian Boats"

 

Jesus Christ commands love even for enemies, and it's so sad how some American Christians totally ignore Jesus' commands to love enemies.

 

In fact, I think he really seems to have little respect for anyone but himself. He has also suggested that he wanted to 'open up' libel laws so he can sue press

 

According to The New Yorker's John Cassidy, Cassidy wrote: "Trump takes attacks on media to new level -- says as president he'll try to gut the First Amendment."

 

Aye. That's normal dictator behavior: to control the press.

 

 

Who is this guy? he doesn't seem to be the God ordained man that people claim him to be, he seems to be a man who acts more like a dictator than anything or anyone presidential.

There is a historic precedent to Christian leaders who became dictators in Europe. (That's why it's so important for Christians to obey Jesus Christ, and not just identify as Christian.) Many refugees fled to the USA and the world, to get away from a certain "Christian" dictator in Europe who scapegoated Jews and gypsies, and homosexuals.

 

My Trumpian friends assure me that this will not happen in the USA. I'm skeptical, especially since Steve Bannon compared Trump to Andrew Jackson:

 

"Clearly there’s a lot of parallels, I think, to Andrew Jackson, to what happened during the rise of Andrew Jackson’s populism,” Bannon replied, also finding similarities to the fall of the Whigs and William Jennings Bryan’s Populist movement."

 

Trump Campaign CEO Stephen K. Bannon Speaks with Breitbart News Daily to Celebrate Show Anniversary

 

While Andrew Jackson wasn't a dictator, he did genocide many Natives in the Trail of Tears. Happy Thanksgiving, by the way, to those who celebrate when the Natives helped the Pilgrims survive.

 

Horribly, some American Christians in Andrew Jackson's time did not care at all for Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors as oneself, love enemies, and the Golden Rule. (Luke 6:31) They wouldn't have liked it for example if the Trail of Tears happened to them!!!

I'll pray for America and the rest of the world.

Thanks so much. America desperately needs your prayers, and American Christians need prayer that God will open their hearts to the importance of obeying Jesus Christ's commands. Please pray that by God's amazing grace, the USA does not relapse into its racist and bloody past.

 

I'm sorry America that it has come to this.

The USA used to be much more racist and much more bloody, so thank God many Americans have grown to understand that all people are equal and that the Golden Rule is vital for a healthy nation.

 

In Andrew Jackson's time, the USA was not a fun place if you were a Native or had African heritage.

 

While Frederick Douglass lived in the time of Abraham Lincoln (thank God), this is how he described the "Christianity of this land": (I boldened some.)

 

What I have said respecting and against religion, I mean strictly to apply to the slaveholding religion of this land, and with no possible reference to Christianity proper; for, between the Christianity of this land, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference — so wide, that to receive the one as good, pure, and holy, is of necessity to reject the other as bad, corrupt, and wicked. To be the friend of the one, is of necessity to be the enemy of the other.

 

I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land. Indeed, I can see no reason, but the most deceitful one, for calling the religion of this land Christianity

 

Douglass' Narrative

 

While thank God the "Christianity of this land" is no longer how Frederick Douglass described it, the "Christianity of this land" has an issue with greed, being infiltrated with the false gospel of prosperity, lust, sexual immorality (including homosexuality and heterosexual adultery), porn addiction, hatred against people of other beliefs, hatred against homosexuals and girls/women who get abortions, as well as white supremacist nationalism (though the body of Christ is global and includes people of every skin color and nation).

 

The "Christianity of this land" still does not reflect the "Christianity of Christ" as Frederick Douglass described. May God help Christian Americans to reflect more and more the amazing love of Jesus Christ, whose commands are for all people's well-being!

 

Anyways, I recommend reading Frederick Douglass' autobiography, or listening to it. (I love listening to audiobooks.) Here is an audio link:

 

"Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave"

Edited November 22, 2016 by BetheButterfly

[BC1980]

On another note, it's strange to think of people who are termed Republicans supporting the notion of a person being ordained by God to lead a country. Over here, the definition of a Republicans is that they want to remove, as head of state, the person who (along with many pro-monarchists) believes she was ordained by God to be Queen.

 

This is where I wonder if Americans are overcorrecting for separation of church and state. I have no doubt that many Christians here would love a theocracy where religious law imposed. In fact, I have no doubt because I know some people who have told me so. Americans have never lived in a time when the church made the laws of the land. We just read about it in our history books. You actually have that in your history.

[BetheButterfly]

This is where I wonder if Americans are overcorrecting for separation of church and state. I have no doubt that many Christians here would love a theocracy where religious law imposed. In fact, I have no doubt because I know some people who have told me so.

 

I do not want a theocracy in the USA, not until Jesus Christ returns to be King over all nations. His Kingdom will not be brought about by mere mortals, but by God.

 

Mere mortals who establish a theocracy often persecute people of other beliefs or no beliefs. This is actually against Jesus Christ's commandments. Jesus Christ, for example, did not lead His disciples in overthrowing either the leaders of His nation Israel or the Roman Empire, who was oppressing Israel. (That's one of many reasons why many Jewish people didn't and do not consider Jesus to truly be the Messiah/Christ.)

 

Americans have never lived in a time when the church made the laws of the land. We just read about it in our history books. You actually have that in your history.

Americans definitely have not experienced a king or queen that enforced religious adherence to a certain Christian belief, such as King Henry VIII (who murdered Catholics) and Queen Mary (who murdered Protestants).

 

Not cool, and not what Jesus Christ commanded

 

It shocks and saddens me how so many Christian leaders in Christian history have disobeyed Jesus Christ's commands to love neighbors as oneself, and love enemies, torturing and killing Non-Christians, as well as Christians of other beliefs. Again, that's why it's so important for Christians to obey Jesus Christ. He gave the commands to love neighbors as oneself and love enemies for very important reasons. And, I do believe Jesus will hold Christians accountable for disobeying these commands, and torturing/killing Non-Christians or Christians of a different group.

 

Separation of Church and State in the USA is a great blessing. It's too easy for a Christian group to persecute NonChristians and/or different Christian groups, since many don't care about obeying Jesus Christ's commands to love.

Edited November 22, 2016 by BetheButterfly

[Shanex]

Trump is a Presbyterian, which is related to the protestant church. He probably neither read the Bible a lot, nor follow the faith. I don't expect him to attend the mass every Sunday morning since he's got far better to do.

 

He's just not a religious person at all. Also divorcing multiples times over many years isn't following the faith he was raised in.

 

It's fine though. I wouldn't want as said by other posters above a theocracy, dictator a kingdom in America. America had neither of the all three, for the better.

[Daisy-oliviaWentcher]

This has been an interesting debate thanks, everyone.

 

The media is obviously a bit skewed. I just got the impression that if you're Christian and American, you must love Trump. Heck, there are people in New Zealand who are Christian and New Zealander's and prefer Trump saying " he is against abortion" which by the way, he has changed his stance on that issue at least four or five times and doesn't seem to mind to take out whole families in Iraq if they are Muslim and connected to Isis.

 

I guess I don't like him and I wanted to know if other Christians didn't like him either. Lol!

 

It seems there was an election between Stupid and Evil and Stupid won, having said that, stupid is still quite evil- so it was a lose/lose situation for a big orange baby who has incredibly thin skin but equally loves to insult others who aren't the same as him.

 

Bizare politics.

[TheFinalWord]

Really and truly, the problem with religion is that it often does not operate in a world of facts.

 

I guess HuffPost might be a type of religion. I watched them claim Trump would only go in the entertainment section, as he wasn't a serious candidate. When that fact didn't work out, they were giving grave predictions. They still have a tweet with Clinton's chances at like 98%. Facts are cruel schoolmasters.

 

This has been an interesting debate thanks, everyone.

 

The media is obviously a bit skewed.

 

A bit? Did they get anything right?

Trump "Will NEVER Be President" Compilation

 

I thought they would gain some humility after the election, but as the bible says "a dog to vomit"

 

It seems there was an election between Stupid and Evil and Stupid won, having said that, stupid is still quite evil- so it was a lose/lose situation for a big orange baby who has incredibly thin skin but equally loves to insult others who aren't the same as him.

 

Bizare politics.

 

Trump certainly is no priest. But I don't really see where that falls into the job description. Stupid is not a word I would use for Trump, nor would I label the American electorate stupid. Media, Hollywood, past Presidents, etc. ALL wrong...I guess you could say what we have here is a miracle LOL

Edited November 23, 2016 by TheFinalWord

[BC1980]

I guess HuffPost might be a type of religion. I watched them claim Trump would only go in the entertainment section, as he wasn't a serious candidate. When that fact didn't work out, they were giving grave predictions. They still have a tweet with Clinton's chances at like 98%. Facts are cruel schoolmasters.

 

Are you insinuating that people see news outlets as a type of religion, and HuffPo should be held to the same standards as Christianity? I believe that people see politics as a type of religion. People are desperate to believe in something. I know you've said before that you think God is using Trump. Do you still believe that?

 

 

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[pureinheart]

Are you insinuating that people see news outlets as a type of religion, and HuffPo should be held to the same standards as Christianity? I believe that people see politics as a type of religion. People are desperate to believe in something. I know you've said before that you think God is using Trump. Do you still believe that?

 

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I've said it also, and believe that too:)

[BC1980]

I've said it also, and believe that too:)

 

I don't remember you saying that, but I know a lot of people who feel similarly. If you don't mind, may I ask why? And this is not an attempt to belittle or make fun of your beliefs. I believe in God (depending on which day you ask me ), so I realize that I also believe something that is in no way supported by fact or reason.

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[Gr8fuln2020]

From an outsider ( not an American) I've heard a lot about Trump being " godly ordained" to be the leader of the free world. He seems like a complete buffoon to me. However, the choices ( out of democrats and Republicans) weren't exactly great either.

 

Does anyone have any ideas on this? What opinions do people have about Trump being " ordained by God"

 

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He causes the sun to rise on good people and on evil people, and he sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong. Matthew 5:45 (NCV)

 

The whole "ordained" thing is more right-wing evangelical rhetoric. They only believe those whom they support are ordained and everyone else as usurpers.

 

Trump doesn't share the same, self-contrived spiritual beliefs as the evangelicals do, but does share some of the same worldly/political views. And even then, not all.

 

The evangelical right have long been revealed for the hypocrites they are. Their very origin is of hate. I never have and do not take the religious right serious.

[pureinheart]

I don't remember you saying that, but I know a lot of people who feel similarly. If you don't mind, may I ask why? And this is not an attempt to belittle or make fun of your beliefs. I believe in God (depending on which day you ask me ), so I realize that I also believe something that is in no way supported by fact or reason.

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LOL, I think I said it somewhere on the 2016 presidential election thread.. and debated it with BB on that same thread? But who knows it could have been on FB too:D

 

You know BC, IMO Trump either became a Christian shortly after the Primaries or was backslidden. After seeing many pictures of Pastors and spiritual leaders laying hands on him and praying over him, I began to see a difference in his outlandish behavior (which on some levels was probably on purpose). He seemed to be more centered. Maybe I am wrong about his salvation (but do not think so), but I saw a change of heart. I trust my judgement on this one.

 

I believe there is a radical anointing placed on him... I see it.

 

Think about it, without going into every single detail, he defied all odds... Gods in complete control of this ... He's in control of everything, but I have not seen Him move like this on a national level ever in my lifetime, with the exception of Israel's 1967 conflict.

 

During this election I was continually reminded of Scripture stating that He was about to do something in my day, that if He were to tell me, I would not believe it... that is severe paraphrasing though.

 

Thank you for being so cool BC in your wording, I so appreciate it!

[pureinheart]

Here ya go BB, on another thread you had asked if Trump confessed Jesus with his mouth..

 

Pres-Elect Donald Trump To Christianity?s Big Question: ?Who Is Jesus?? His Response Will Surprise You! - Discipleship Nation

[MissCongeniality]

As someone from across the other side of The Pond, I think Trump's relationship with God is his business, and no-one else's

Yeah but the media will find some way to demonize it. If he was a devout Christian they'd call him a backwards thinking bible thumper. If he was an atheist the media would call him a godless heathen.

[dichotomy]

Trump "made a deal" with a select faction of Christians on certain narrow political issues - Muslims, gays, abortion, etc. In return this select group of evangelical Christians "anointed him" born again and threw their support behind him.

 

He is good at making deals. Interviews with these followers proved they dont care about how he lives his life, what he does, as long as he delivers on the deal.

 

Many other Christians would see Trump as a false follower of Christ.

Edited November 24, 2016 by dichotomy

[BetheButterfly]

I could agree.

 

Except we need to plan for the Wall - Now. ).

 

You also need to plan for how you will justify disobeying Jesus Christ to Christian Americans who love their southern neighbors and don't want to build a Berlin-like wall, shutting out our neighbors.

 

Jesus Christ did not command His followers to build man-made walls, but rather to love their neighbors as oneself, to "invite the stranger in", and to help the poor.

 

Jesus Christ trumps Trump!!!

 

In case some people are not aware, Jesus Christ is not American. Followers of Jesus Christ are adopted into a global Kingdom that transcends man-made borders and earthly time.

 

And, what's so awesome about the Kingdom of Heaven is that anybody has the potential to become citizens!!! While this may shock some Americans, but Jesus Christ loves poor illegal immigrants too!!! I know, it's amazing and scandalous, and it's possible that some American Christians would look down on Jesus for daring to love who they don't love.

 

Thankfully, Jesus' apostles did not look down on Jesus for talking with the Samaritan woman, and for breaking the wall between Jew and Gentile! While Jesus' apostles could have built physical walls against the Gentiles, they told them about Jesus instead, once they learned the Truth. Jesus' love transcends man-made borders. I pray someday Trump and his supporters learn that very important lesson!

[BetheButterfly]

Here ya go BB, on another thread you had asked if Trump confessed Jesus with his mouth..

 

Pres-Elect Donald Trump To Christianity?s Big Question: ?Who Is Jesus?? His Response Will Surprise You! - Discipleship Nation

 

“Jesus to me is somebody I can think about for security and confidence. Somebody I can revere in terms of bravery and in terms of courage and, because I consider the Christian religion so important, somebody I can totally rely on in my own mind.” - Trump

 

Pres-Elect Donald Trump To Christianity?s Big Question: ?Who Is Jesus?? His Response Will Surprise You! - Discipleship Nation

 

Anybody "can think" about Jesus. However there is a big difference between the ability to think about Him and actually obeying Him.

 

Jesus Christ very clearly said, "If you love me, keep my commands." - John 14:15

 

He didn't say, oh, if you can think about me, that's all I want.

 

Jesus' apostles gave up everything for Jesus, including their own lives; they didn't just express that they "can think about" Him; they actively followed Him, obeyed Him.

 

Jesus doesn't want Christians to be lukewarm. He wants His followers to be 100% committed to Him, obeying Him.

 

“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

 

17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’

 

But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

 

19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

 

21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” - Revelations 3:14-22 (NIV)

 

 

Is Jesus obedient to the Father? Yep. He didn't just say He could; He actually did.

 

"I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me." - Jesus Christ (John 14:31b)

 

Jesus Christ expects obedience of everyone who calls himself or herself His follower (a Christian). That's why He warned people to measure the cost before deciding to follow Him:

 

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me." - Matthew 16:24 (NIV)

 

Let's take for example the rich young ruler. He could follow Jesus, and he definitely thought about it, but he considered the cost for doing so too great to actually follow Jesus.

Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

 

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

 

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” - Matthew 19:21-24 (NIV)

 

 

People in this life have a choice: follow the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (1 John 2:16) or follow Jesus.

 

We can't serve both God and money. Jesus makes that clear (Matthew 6:24; Luke 16:13).

Edited January 9, 2017 by BetheButterfly

[KiCouchPotato]

God doesnt deserve my love, people do. They are deserving of love, compassion, understanding, and kindness. I think a better term would be humanitarianism.Â*Â*

[stillafool]

I really don't understand how expecting people to uphold the law is the same as hating said people. Why not let everyone break the law and get away with it? I also think that if we are to open our country to the poor we can't pick and choose who those people are. Why not open the country to everyone if this is the case and remove all vetting and borders.

[Ronni_W]

God doesnt deserve my love, people do. They are deserving of love, compassion, understanding, and kindness.

God doesn't NEED your love because God IS Love...and, God is the Source of whatever love you can, from within your own heart, muster for people.

Ditto compassion, understanding and kindness.

[mightycpa]

From an outsider ( not an American) I've heard a lot about Trump being " godly ordained" to be the leader of the free world. He seems like a complete buffoon to me. However, the choices ( out of democrats and Republicans) weren't exactly great either.

 

Does anyone have any ideas on this? What opinions do people have about Trump being " ordained by God"

 

thanks

God's ordained have always been the unlikeliest of people. Abraham was an idolator. Moses was an Egyptian who stuttered. David was a shepherd boy who killed a giant warrior. Jesus, King of Kings, was born dirt poor to a carpenter whose wife got pregnant without him. St. Augustine was a drunken philanderer. They all followed the call and transformed themselves, then transformed society.

 

Men who are commonly understood to be evil have other characteristics. They are well spoken, inspirational, smooth and persuasive, and almost universally well-liked at first.

 

This is not to say that Trump is one or the other, although I'd put him in the "unlikely" category. He may just be one more in a long line of people with big egos who long for this type of work. Only time will tell.

[Ronni_W]

Men who are commonly understood to be evil have other characteristics. They are well spoken, inspirational, smooth and persuasive, and almost universally well-liked at first.

Uh...Jesus was, in some circles, thought to be evil - that's, of course, why he was arrested, tried, tortured and crucified by them. And, he was held to be well-spoken, inspirational, smooth and persuasive, and he was universally well-liked -- by all those who had 'eyes to see' and 'ears to hear'.

[mightycpa]

Uh...Jesus was, in some circles, thought to be evil - that's, of course, why he was arrested, tried, tortured and crucified by them. And, he was held to be well-spoken, inspirational, smooth and persuasive, and he was universally well-liked -- by all those who had 'eyes to see' and 'ears to hear'.

Yeah, well, 3 years after he began his ministry in earnest that's largely true. But it's also true that many people didn't understand his parables, meaning he wasn't persuasive. He didn't inspire or persuade the rich man to sell all that he possessed and to follow him. Also, the rabbis didn't much appreciate a lot of the things he said, meaning he wasn't inspirational or universally well-liked. Herod sure didn't care for him, and I don't think anybody called him smooth when he was overturning the tables in the temple on the High Holy days or when he was washing the disciples' feet. A lot of things he did were baffling to his contemporaries.

 

Also, contrary to your assertion, let's not forget that yes, he was arrested and tried because the Sanhedrin didn't like his apparent blasphemy but he was crucified only because he lost a popularity contest to Barabbas. If he'd had the crowd with him, he'd have gone free.

 

Pilate called together the chief priests, the rulers and the people, and said to them, "You brought me this man as one who was inciting the people to rebellion. I have examined him in your presence and have found no basis for your charges against him. Neither has Herod, for he sent him back to us; as you can see, he has done nothing to deserve death. Therefore, I will punish him and then release him."

 

With one voice they cried out, "Away with this man! Release Barabbas to us!" (Barabbas had been thrown into prison for an insurrection in the city, and for murder.)

 

Wanting to release Jesus, Pilate appealed to them again. But they kept shouting, "Crucify him! Crucify him!"

 

For the third time he spoke to them: "Why? What crime has this man committed? I have found in him no grounds for the death penalty. Therefore I will have him punished and then release him."

 

But with loud shouts they insistently demanded that he be crucified, and their shouts prevailed. So Pilate decided to grant their demand. He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, the one they asked for, and surrendered Jesus to their will.

Interestingly, "bar" means "the son of" and "abba" is father. Barabbas had a fairly meaningless name, "the son of a father", which can be said of every man that ever lived. Barabbas was found guilty and Jesus was found innocent, and yet Jesus died for the sins of the son of a father, an allegory to his earthly mission. But I digress.

 

Anyway, when he died, there was only a small cadre of followers left behind in comparison to the followers of his rivals. Not so with evil men. They die after they lead their movements to glory, and after they're gone, it all goes to hell.

 

For that matter, after a while, the Jews were pretty happy with David and Moses and Abraham too, but not at first. They all needed time to grow into their roles. Maybe Trump will grow into his role, or maybe he won't.

 

So, while I understand what you have to say, I'm not sure that you have quite grasped the spirit of what I had to say. I'll think of a way to say it better.

[Larsoncity]

Regardless of your political beliefs there are several facts about Mr. Trump that would go undisputed and can be easily verified.

 

1. he was a playboy and womanizer. Several Beauty Pageant Contestants have said that he would walk in on them while changing. As a frequent guest on Howard Stern radio show prior to his political position he frequently talked about his escapades. He is recorded saying that he tried to sleep with a married woman while he himself was married but failed. He later goes on to say that as a celebrity he can grab women by their genitals and get away with it. He used a vulgar term for cat instead of genitals.

 

2. He has a foul mouth. He is on video calling someone the c word (rhymes with bunt.)

 

3. He has a history of commenting of women looks calling women he doesn't like pigs and so forth. He called the only other female republican candidate for presidency too ugly looking to be president.

 

4. He was involved in a large fraud case that he settled regarding a fake real estate university.

 

5. His true wealth has been disputed.

 

I'm not sure how any of this makes him comparable to Jesus Christ or how it makes HIM anointed.

[Ronni_W]

But it's also true that many people didn't understand his parables, meaning he wasn't persuasive. He didn't inspire or persuade <snip> and I don't think anybody called him smooth when he was overturning the tables <snip> A lot of things he did were baffling to his contemporaries.

We have to keep in mind, though, that the reason why Jesus spoke in parables is precisely because many/most of the people who came in contact with his Teachings did not have 'eyes to see' and 'ears to hear' (and many/most still don't). That is why they were baffled; yet, this does not mean that he was not persuasive. Similarly, the deeper meaning of his overturning the tables of the moneylenders is also available only to those who can 'see' and 'hear'.

 

The 'rich man', rabbis, scribes, Pharisees and members of the Sanhedrin are those of whom I spoke, who felt extremely threatened by him and, thus, in their minds, considered him 'evil'. His Teachings were, in any case, going to go over their heads and baffle them.

 

He explained his Mission thusly: "I came partly to awaken a certain group of people who were ready for a Higher Teaching; but, I came also for another purpose: to bring forth the Living Word that could serve as the Judgment for a different group of people."

We can clearly tell which group is which.

Also, contrary to your assertion, let's not forget that yes, he was arrested and tried because the Sanhedrin didn't like his apparent blasphemy but he was crucified only because he lost a popularity contest to Barabbas.

Actually, Jesus was crucified because such had, by that time, become necessary for him to properly fulfill his Mission on Earth. (See his explanation, above.) Also, if read properly, it is clear that, at what is referred to as 'the last supper', he already knew what was going to happen. Barabbas being set free was just another externalization of the collective consciousness at that time - of which fabric Jesus was more than well aware. (In fact, his whole Mission was tied into it, and part of his Mission was for him to facilitate the raising up of it. Again, see his explanation, above.)

Interestingly, "bar" means "the son of" and "abba" is father. Barabbas had a fairly meaningless name, "the son of a father", which can be said of every man that ever lived.

This is exactly right - and no mere coincidence; again, there is a deeper meaning -- or, in his words, a 'Higher Teaching' - for those who have 'eyes to see' and 'ears to hear'.

Anyway, when he died, there was only a small cadre of followers left behind in comparison to the followers of his rivals. Not so with evil men. They die after they lead their movements to glory, and after they're gone, it all goes to hell.

In this thinking, then, it's only that the evil of Jesus was posthumous; for, how many have been cruelly, brutally and unjustly tortured, imprisoned, killed or executed 'in the Name of Jesus'?

 

The Glory that was meant to follow Jesus' Mission is, indeed, a long time coming. However, it will come. .

[Ronni_W]

I'm not sure how any of this makes him comparable to Jesus Christ or how it makes HIM anointed.

In Trump's present mentality, the two are not comparable in any way, shape or form.

 

At higher levels, Trump's value is that he is - albeit, perhaps, inadvertently, unwillingly and perhaps even against his own agenda - uniting many previously-disparate groups of people, who are all coming together in the name of compassion, inclusiveness, tolerance, justice and a basically-felt love for humanity and the planet. These are, of course, all 'godly' or 'goodly' qualities, and what Jesus exemplified and spoke out for.